Jeopardy! Season 38 (2021-2022)

[ams1001]

3 minutes ago, dgpolo said:

I think the clue may have thrown them off like it did me, they were asking for a 'grades of quality' of tea with the example S for Souchong. I was busy trying to figure out how Souchong was a 'grade of quality' so I hardly even registered the 'P'.

I never associated either word with a quality grade; they were just names of teas. I've only seen the word souchong in "Lapsang Souchong"  (which I don't like; not a fan of smoky flavor).

Souchong: a fine black variety of China tea; a tea made from the larger older leaves of the shoot.

Pekoe: a high-quality black tea made from young leaves.

[Mindthinkr]

10 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Nobody new Pekoe tea? I think there was a frequently aired commercial for it back when there were only 3 TV stations, and that's why I know it. 

If I’m remembering correctly I think it was Tetley tea. I’ve kept them in business for decades. 
 

I got apple turnovers, turtle, Gila monster, (I could only remember Elian’s first name so I doubt that would have counted), the missed DD of Saudi Arabia, pekoe and guessed Hamlet for FJ. Not a good night considering how many TSs there were. Urgh on all those clues left on the board. 

[proserpina65]

13 hours ago, Browncoat said:

But I did get the TS of Village of the Damned, cheating, the Gipper (assuming that was enough and I didn't need his actual name), Don Johnson & Philip Michael Thomas, turtle, Gila monster, Elian Gonzalez, and pekoe.  And I don't even drink tea.

I got all of those except the Gipper.  I said Knute Rockne - same Ronald Reagan movie, at least.  That football category was a disaster for me, although at least I got cheating.

FJ was an instaget.  Booth brothers/political assassination/Shakespeare screamed Julius Caesar to me.  Although Macbeth and Hamlet weren't terrible guess since they both involve killing kings.

I also got Saudi Arabia, something of a guess; I just picked an Arabic-speaking country with a lot of desert.  Also got apple turnover on a wild guess.

13 hours ago, secnarf said:

Especially tonight when she got the state capitals question correct - that was impressive.

Particularly to someone like me, who stupidly said Mobile despite knowing that the capital of Alabama is Montgomery.

13 hours ago, secnarf said:

Total side note but in the daily update segment on Mattea on CBC News that I watched just as I was typing this, they said she will be back tomorrow to hopefully get "one step closer to her dream of buying a house in Toronto" 😂 Even with the amount she has currently won, tax free, her Jeopardy earnings are nowhere near enough to buy a house anywhere in the GTA.

Maybe enough for a down payment?

12 hours ago, kathyk24 said:

I decided to take the Jeopardy online test. I missed some questions and timed out before I finished some answers. You have to know a little bit about many subjects. I'm not a fast typist so I think that hurt my score.

I took it back on the anniversary date, just to see if it was still as hard as it was back in 2008.  It definitely was.  Unfortunately, despite passing the test and getting an invitation for a zoom interview, those of us who've been on the show since Alex started hosting aren't eligible.  Dang it.  Not that I thought I would be, of course.

11 hours ago, bankerchick said:

Yet, almost the entire board was still available.  Mattea could have gone to any of the other catetories if she wasn't comfortable with that one.  It just seemed like another opportunity for her to be annoying.

Idk, seems like getting your worst category out of the way early is a good strategy.  That way, even if the daily double is in it, you wouldn't be losing a lot if you missed it.

9 hours ago, dcalley said:

The Miami news team in the first round!

Yep, that's who I'm blaming.  Although there were several stumpers which always slow things down.

4 hours ago, GreekGeek said:

I didn't know any of those questions either apart from Don Shula and a guess on "cheating."

Don Shula was in the Miami news category.  I did get that one since I actually remember him.

4 hours ago, GreekGeek said:

And, like others I couldn't remember the full name of Philip Michael Thomas. I thought, "Philip....Baker Hall? No..."

I was like "Philip, Philip, whathisname, Thomas, maybe?".  Didn't remember the middle name, though.

1 hour ago, MrAtoz said:

They are not.  They are taxed the same way any other income is taxed.

You often hear people say "Half of those winnings will go to taxes," but that's not really true.  It's just something people say.  There's not a special tax on game show winnings.  They're treated as ordinary income.  What may sometimes be complicated is that if you win a lot, it can bump you into a higher tax bracket for that year, and you may need to pay estimated taxes throughout the year, rather than waiting to file your taxes in April.  Consult a tax professional.  😀

In my case, if I recall correctly I think I ended up paying about 23% of my winnings in taxes, between federal, California, and my own state.

Yep, you just declare them as income.  And you do have to file the California form for that year no matter what state you live in, which was a bit of a pain at the time.  I owed CA about $16.

33 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Urgh on all those clues left on the board. 

There were 3 they didn't get to.  Which is bad enough but not as many as I thought.

[SomeTameGazelle]

52 minutes ago, Bliss said:

I believe Mattea's "windfall" will be tax free in Canada. [The US may withhold an amount which she'll be able to get back after making an application (same as someone winning a jackpot in Las Vegas).]

Barbara Ann Eddy (whose experience may be out of date) warned Mattea to expect the US to take 40% in taxes. It wasn't clear to me whether that was withholding or after all was said and done. My understanding was that since  it is US income Mattea would have to file as a non-resident and pay some US tax. The only exception I see for Las Vegas winnings is Canadians can offset  gambling income with losses on their US filing. That doesn't seem to apply to gameshow winnings. 

[SomeTameGazelle]

10 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

I was like "Philip, Philip, whathisname, Thomas, maybe?".  Didn't remember the middle name, though.

Michael was the only part of the name I managed to think of. 

[Welshman in Ca]

1 hour ago, Bliss said:

I believe Mattea's "windfall" will be tax free in Canada. [The US may withhold an amount which she'll be able to get back after making an application (same as someone winning a jackpot in Las Vegas).]

No need for speculation.

She will pay zero tax on her winnings & the US will not take anything and give it back later as long as she gets an ITIN ( individual tax identification number, if I remember correctly) which I'm sure the Jeopardy team have dealt with many times before and are ready for. In Las Vegas the casinos all have the forms on hand and as long as you have your passport they will fill out everything for you so that you walk away with all of your winnings.

How do I know this you will ask? Because I've hit a LOT of so called jackpots over the $1200 limit that would incur tax before I lived in the U.S.A. and was on vacation. I have also paid tax since living here and then offset it against losses for zero tax liability, just takes a while to get it back.

Canada is like the U.K. in as much that any winnings (gambling generally but also game shows, lottery etc.) of any sort are not taxed.

[Shermie]

14 hours ago, secnarf said:

Total side note but in the daily update segment on Mattea on CBC News that I watched just as I was typing this, they said she will be back tomorrow to hopefully get "one step closer to her dream of buying a house in Toronto" 😂 Even with the amount she has currently won, tax free, her Jeopardy earnings are nowhere near enough to buy a house anywhere in the GTA.

She’ll have to win a lot more to afford even a shack in Toronto. Honestly, I don’t know how anyone affords to live there.

1 hour ago, Bliss said:

believe Mattea's "windfall" will be tax free in Canada. [The US may withhold an amount which she'll be able to get back after making an application (same as someone winning a jackpot in Las Vegas).]

That is correct. And within Canada, lottery/game show winnings are tax-free; they are not counted as income. That’s why our national anthem has “glorious and free” in it. :)

[sugarbaker design]

My cable froze at the reveal of the last clue in AT, right before the first commercial break.  It was something about a French dessert, I believe.  The screen froze, and when it unfroze it was already on the commercial break.  Does anyone recall the answer.  My guess was apple tart.

[ProudMary]

19 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

My cable froze at the reveal of the last clue in AT, right before the first commercial break.  It was something about a French dessert, I believe.  The screen froze, and when it unfroze it was already on the commercial break.  Does anyone recall the answer.  My guess was apple tart.

Very close; you'd probably have gotten a BMS. It was apple turnover and it was a TS.

[Prevailing Wind]

I knew "Philip Michael Thomas" because we were born on the same day, along with Hank Williams, Jr. ...All 3 of us will be turning 73 later this month.

[Bastet]

14 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

So. Who are we blaming for the 3 clues left on the board in Double?

Knowing this place, probably Mayim.

I only needed to get as far as "A Miami custody battle" for Elián González's name to pop into my head, so at first I was quite surprised that was a TS once Becky spotted them Elián, but then thought it might have been a "before their time" thing.

[proserpina65]

15 minutes ago, Bastet said:

Knowing this place, probably Mayim.

Only if she were hosting.  Instead I say we blame the clue givers from the Miami tv stations.

[SomeTameGazelle]

10 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

Only if she were hosting.  Instead I say we blame the clue givers from the Miami tv stations.

I  don't want to start a conspiracy theory, but Miami and Mayim are very nearly anagrams of each other. 

[bankerchick]

4 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

Idk, seems like getting your worst category out of the way early is a good strategy.  That way, even if the daily double is in it, you wouldn't be losing a lot if you missed it.

It's not the strategy.  It's the exaggerated sigh, the mumbled 'I guess I'll take football' and the expectation that this will be treated as endearing (which I have to admit, it does appear to be to many here.)  It bugged me that I skipped a few episodes specifically because of her, so I thought I would try again last night and immediately had to listen to Ken recap all her boring stories and watch her reluctantly select the football category so by the time she got the Daily Double, I was out again.  Having said all that, I am clearly in the minority here so I guess I'll just shut up and put Jeopardy out of my mind until such time as she's gone or I find something else permanent to do at 7:30 each weeknight.

[proserpina65]

7 minutes ago, bankerchick said:

It's not the strategy.  It's the exaggerated sigh, the mumbled 'I guess I'll take football' and the expectation that this will be treated as endearing (which I have to admit, it does appear to be to many here.)  It bugged me that I skipped a few episodes specifically because of her, so I thought I would try again last night and immediately had to listen to Ken recap all her boring stories and watch her reluctantly select the football category so by the time she got the Daily Double, I was out again.  Having said all that, I am clearly in the minority here so I guess I'll just shut up and put Jeopardy out of my mind until such time as she's gone or I find something else permanent to do at 7:30 each weeknight.

That's what I do when I dislike a contestant enough.  There's always the archive you can check each night.  It's easier for me than complaining.  (I save that for guest hosts, lol.)

[UsernameFatigue]

Just to add to the speculation as to whether or not Mattea will pay taxes, I have read on several sites as well as in a recent article in the Globe and Mail that Mattea will pay a flat 30% withholding fee to the IRS. This applies to Canadians and other non U.S. residents who win money via game shows, lotteries or at casinos. In the case of lottery or casino winnings, you can apply to have some of the money refunded for the money you have spent on lottery tickets, or have incurred in gambling loses. So it looks like currently Mattea has won $428,570 in Canadian funds, after taxes. 

Edited May 3, 2022 by UsernameFatigue

[Katy M]

i thought FJ was too easy again, making me doubt my answer, but I didn't change it, because what else would it be?

I think the only missed clue I got was iguana.

And I got the entire Bible category right.

Pretty good night tonight.

[Moose135]

8 hours ago, Shermie said:

 That’s why our national anthem has “glorious and free” in it. :)

Timely comment considering tonight’s FJ…

[Browncoat]

Almost instaget FJ for me tonight.  I first also thought "God Save The Queen", then my brain kicked in and actually read the clue, and I got it in plenty of time.

TS I got include disc and drum, Gregor Samsa, iguana, loose, released, and terrier.

Seems like there was something else I wanted to comment about, but my brain has kicked back out again.  

[SomeTameGazelle]

I was slightly shocked that Mattea guessed Mrs Dalloway instead of Orlando. I do think that she makes a lot of educated guesses and is correct a lot of the time. But it also feels like she is taking more risks and getting a few more wrong answers. 

[ams1001]

Ran nothing tonight. Did okay in the first round, missed two each in two caetgories and one each in the others. Missed one Fictional Character in DJ but 2-3 in everything else. Got the TS of diesel, the "disc" half of disc and drum brakes, Gregor Samsa, terrier, and loose. No FJ but it seemed pretty obvious once it was revealed. It's been a long day. I'll blame that.

[dcalley]

 

10 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

Idk, seems like getting your worst category out of the way early is a good strategy.  That way, even if the daily double is in it, you wouldn't be losing a lot if you missed it.

And if your opponent who is an expert in the category gets the DD early on, they will likely have less money to wager than they would later, so that also works in your favor. (A lot of people stick with the categories that have already been picked, if that makes sense. If you pick football because you hate it, someone who loves it will probably stick with it.)

I was fully expecting Kate Winslet to be in the hero actor category.

Edited May 4, 2022 by dcalley

[GreekGeek]

Enver gave Mattea a run for her money for a while there. They were neck and neck until the end of DJ, when Mattea made it another runaway.  I groaned when I realized that the FJ answer was Canada. I'm not going to cry "Fix!" because I know there was no way to know that a Canadian would be playing that clue, but aargh!

In the "hidden body parts" category, would "ear" have been acceptable in the "heart" clue?

And why did Enver have to BMS for "unchained"?

Of the other TS's, I knew diesel, Gregor Samsa, loose, released, and Molly.

44 minutes ago, dcalley said:

 

I was fully expecting Kate Winslet to be in the hero actor category.

Even Tonya Harding saved a woman's life once.

[Bastet]

I know J! contestants notoriously know nothing about how cars run, but no one guessing diesel was still stunning.  The loose TS also surprised me.

I managed to only miss two in the Bible category (knowing neither was right, I said "sticks and stones" for what David killed Goliath with and "Jesus" for the compassionate dude).  I also missed two in actors, but got everything else in the first round.

I didn't run a damn thing in DJ, but I wasn't bad in any of the categories; I got all but one in half of them and missed two in the other.

FJ was an instaguess I figured had to be right, then started doubting myself, thinking I was being myopic by going with the obvious answer in my part of the world and it was actually someplace on another continent, but I couldn't come up with anything (there are very few countries where I know the title of the national anthem, and I also figure very few national anthems J! expects contestants to know the title of), so I figured that was indeed it.

I like how much Mattea likes Julia among long-running champions - me too, Mattea! - and how she thinks she's nowhere near as good as Amy, so Amy is going to kick her ass in the ToC, but she looks forward to that opportunity.  I don't often listen to the interviews, and hers was the only one I heard today, but I enjoyed it.

[Bastet]

16 minutes ago, GreekGeek said:

In the "hidden body parts" category, would "ear" have been acceptable in the "heart" clue?

No, because you don't hear the sound of an ear.  (Plus, the responses all came from combining the end of one word with the beginning of the word that followed it, not from taking the middle out of one word, but I think the main reason that wouldn't qualify is it doesn't fit the text -- "you could hear the sound of this loud and clear".)

[SomeTameGazelle]

23 minutes ago, GreekGeek said:

And why did Enver have to BMS for "unchained"?

 My best guess is that the judges consider the fetter and the shackle the piece that is actually attached to the person, whereas the chain is attached to the the fetter or shackle or manacle or whatever.  But I'm not sure that usage actually bears that out. I really expected that they were going to announce a scoring change before Final Jeopardy. 

[ProudMary]

2 hours ago, dcalley said:

I was fully expecting Kate Winslet to be in the hero actor category.

I was expecting Mark Harmon.

[Driad]

I don't drive (eye problems) but got diesel and disc & drum brakes. 

"Good Samaritan" is often used to mean "any helpful person" but the way I learned the story, Samaritans were discriminated against. My teacher compared the story to a Black person in the southern U.S. helping an injured white sheriff.

[shapeshifter]

Am I the only one with the erroneous and not-very-confident FJ guess of La Marseillaise?

Do I get extra credit for singing the TS that completed the clue:

• Bob Dylan wrote, "I see my light come shining from the west unto the east. Any day now... I shall be" this

Re-le-ased
 ♫ 🎵  🎶 

I knew the TS of disc brakes & drum brakes as well as carburetor and suspension, all of which I became more knowledgeable about than I wanted in the 80s, such as having to start the family car by popping the hood, climbing onto the engine, and sticking a pencil in the flap on top of the carburetor, then starting the car, hopping out to remove the pencil and slam the hood, and then head off into the summer desert heat with the kids in the back armed with spray bottles to cool my and each others' necks since the AC didn't work. 

I loved Mattea saying she and Enver should be a team.

Edited May 4, 2022 by shapeshifter

[Cotypubby]

Upon reading the FJ clue I thought “well they haven’t had a Canada question yet this game and they speak French there so it’s got to be the anthem of Canada.” And then proceeded to blank on coming up with the actual name. 😆🙄

[853fisher]

RE the Miami news team category, I think the 5 clues in these categories are often read by just 2 or 3 people, so I was surprised to have 5 readers.  Just for fun, I imagined that they were all such fans of the show at that station that they all insisted on doing it.

RE "find the hidden word," I wish the show would keep those types of clues on the screen for longer.  They could put them in the lower third like an FJ clue if they must.  I was just starting to find a few of those when we went to a shot of the contestants doing the same.

RE my friend Danielle who is playing Friday, thanks for all your kind comments!  I asked to get off work an hour earlier and join her little party via Zoom.  My boss said "sure, you've got an hour coming.  Is it really for a friend playing Jeopardy?  I can never tell with you!" ;)

[possibilities]

6 hours ago, SomeTameGazelle said:

I was slightly shocked that Mattea guessed Mrs Dalloway instead of Orlando.

I was very surprised, because I thought her degree was in gender studies or something similar. I guess that degree is more about real people than fiction, but the book is such a classic....

I was also surprised no one knew the Dylan lyric. I am clearly showing my age.*

*I also got Elian Gonzales. I mean... age, showing....

4 hours ago, Bastet said:

I like how much Mattea likes Julia among long-running champions - me too, Mattea! - and how she thinks she's nowhere near as good as Amy, so Amy is going to kick her ass in the ToC, but she looks forward to that opportunity. 

I liked that. too.

 

I was confused by why slingshot wasn't accepted. David used a slingshot, didn't he? That's how I always learned the story.

Edited May 4, 2022 by possibilities

[853fisher]

48 minutes ago, possibilities said:

I was confused by why slingshot wasn't accepted. David used a slingshot, didn't he? That's how I always learned the story.

The way I understand it, a sling and a slingshot are two different devices.  A slingshot harnesses stored energy not unlike a bow, while a sling facilitates enhanced throwing.

I'm sure I heard or saw "slingshot" when I was a child too.  I was surprised not to be able to find a translation with that word when I tried a site that compares a few dozen Bibles.

[InternetToughGuy]

12 hours ago, bankerchick said:

It's not the strategy.  It's the exaggerated sigh, the mumbled 'I guess I'll take football' and the expectation that this will be treated as endearing (which I have to admit, it does appear to be to many here.)  It bugged me that I skipped a few episodes specifically because of her, so I thought I would try again last night and immediately had to listen to Ken recap all her boring stories and watch her reluctantly select the football category so by the time she got the Daily Double, I was out again.  Having said all that, I am clearly in the minority here so I guess I'll just shut up and put Jeopardy out of my mind until such time as she's gone or I find something else permanent to do at 7:30 each weeknight.

I've been yelling at the TV like Sergeant Hartman these past couple weeks, you are not alone 🤬

 

[ams1001]

7 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Am I the only one with the erroneous and not-very-confident FJ guess of La Marseillaise?

Nope; I didn't think it was right but I did think of it. I figured "French version" meant it was a country other than France and that there was a version in whatever other language is common in that country (which still didn't get me to Canada... but I was tired. That's my excuse story and I'm sticking to it).

[DrSpaceman73]

8 hours ago, Driad said:

I don't drive (eye problems) but got diesel and disc & drum brakes. 

"Good Samaritan" is often used to mean "any helpful person" but the way I learned the story, Samaritans were discriminated against. My teacher compared the story to a Black person in the southern U.S. helping an injured white sheriff.

Yes that is correct. A Samaritan was a jew that married a gentile. So the gentiles hated them for being Jewish and the Jewish hated them for marrying a gentile. Everyone hated them. 

So to take it a step further would be (maybe not a perfect analogy) an African American in an interracial marriage helping a white person. 

But the vernacular of good Samaritan is now any selfless act or charitable person. 

5 hours ago, possibilities said:

I was very surprised, because I thought her degree was in gender studies or something similar. I guess that degree is more about real people than fiction, but the book is such a classic....

I was also surprised no one knew the Dylan lyric. I am clearly showing my age.*

*I also got Elian Gonzales. I mean... age, showing....

I liked that. too.

 

I was confused by why slingshot wasn't accepted. David used a slingshot, didn't he? That's how I always learned the story.

I always thought it was a slingshot and surprised they didn't accept that one. Seems pretty picky especially considering the translations the Bible has gone through over many languages in a few thousand years. 

[Mindthinkr]

Not a good night here, but I did get terrier. Shout out to @saber5055

[Katy M]

10 hours ago, GreekGeek said:

In the "hidden body parts" category, would "ear" have been acceptable in the "heart" clue?

That's what I said, but I don't think so because how would you hear an ear?

[Welshman in Ca]

19 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Just to add to the speculation as to whether or not Mattea will pay taxes, I have read on several sites as well as in a recent article in the Globe and Mail that Mattea will pay a flat 30% withholding fee to the IRS. This applies to Canadians and other non U.S. residents who win money via game shows, lotteries or at casinos. In the case of lottery or casino winnings, you can apply to have some of the money refunded for the money you have spent on lottery tickets, or have incurred in gambling loses. So it looks like currently Mattea has won $428,570 in Canadian funds, after taxes. 

I can read on websites that the earth is flat, doesn't make it true. Been there done that & I never paid a penny to the IRS because that's how it works.

You're getting your U.S. & non U.S. taxpayer info mixed up. See my earlier post about speculation.

Edited May 4, 2022 by Welshman in Ca

[SomeTameGazelle]

21 minutes ago, Welshman in Ca said:

I can read on websites that the earth is flat, doesn't make it true. Been there done that & I never paid a penny to the IRS because that's how it works.

You're getting your U.S. & non U.S. taxpayer info mixed up. See my earlier post about speculation.

Different countries have different treaties with the US with regard to how non-residents are taxed. What applied to you may not apply to a Canadian resident. 

[Welshman in Ca]

3 minutes ago, SomeTameGazelle said:

Different countries have different treaties with the US with regard to how non-residents are taxed. What applied to you may not apply to a Canadian resident. 

I understand that different countries have different treaties but in the case of Canada it is the same as someone from Canada stated a couple of weeks ago when this was brought up originally. Also the person I was replying to said "other non US residents" which as you yourself said is wrong as different countries have different treaties.

It's no surprise that Canada is the same as it is still part of the British commonwealth & has a lot of the same treaties etc from a long time ago.

[UsernameFatigue]

56 minutes ago, Welshman in Ca said:

I can read on websites that the earth is flat, doesn't make it true. Been there done that & I never paid a penny to the IRS because that's how it works.

You're getting your U.S. & non U.S. taxpayer info mixed up. See my earlier post about speculation.

You would not pay tax if your winning were from blackjack, baccaret, craps, roulette or Big 6 wheel. Otherwise the casino should be taking 30% off the top of any jackpot. over $1200.00 if you are not a U.S. resident. 

In any case my info is from several law firms, as well as the Globe and Mail article on Mattea. I doubt if the Globe mixed up whether Mattea was a U.S. or non U.S. taxpayer. Lol. 

ETA, the law firms were Canadian, so yes there could be a difference on taxes paid for someone from another country. These law firms were referencing Canadian citizens. 

Edited May 4, 2022 by UsernameFatigue

[proserpina65]

15 hours ago, Katy M said:

i thought FJ was too easy again, making me doubt my answer, but I didn't change it, because what else would it be?

Yeah, it had to be somewhere which had French-speakers and non-French-speakers, and the first place that came to mind was Canada.  Well, it helped that I knew La Marseillaise doesn't actually have the title in its lyrics.

I did so-so in this game, but I did run the automotive category despite not being a gearhead, so there's that.

15 hours ago, Browncoat said:

TS I got include disc and drum, Gregor Samsa, iguana, loose, released, and terrier.

I got disc & drum, released & terrier.  I knew the book referenced but would never have come up with Gregor Samsa had my life depended on it.

14 hours ago, ams1001 said:

Got the TS of diesel

I almost said diesel but didn't.  ugh.

11 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Am I the only one with the erroneous and not-very-confident FJ guess of La Marseillaise?

I might've if the clue had said that the line quoted followed the title in the anthem.  The name La Marseillaise doesn't appear in the French national anthem.

[Welshman in Ca]

16 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

You would not pay tax if your winning were from blackjack, baccaret, craps, roulette or Big 6 wheel. Otherwise the casino should be taking 30% off the top of any jackpot. over $1200.00 if you are not a U.S. resident. 

In any case my info is from several law firms, as well as the Globe and Mail article on Mattea. I doubt if the Globe mixed up whether Mattea was a U.S. or non U.S. taxpayer. Lol. 

ETA, the law firms were Canadian, so yes there could be a difference on taxes paid for someone from another country. These law firms were referencing Canadian citizens. 

I'm speaking from my personal experience but I will let the Las Vegas casinos know that they've been doing it wrong because someone on the internet said so.

Now back to Jeopardy.

[UsernameFatigue]

20 minutes ago, Welshman in Ca said:

I'm speaking from my personal experience but I will let the Las Vegas casinos know that they've been doing it wrong because someone on the internet said so.

Now back to Jeopardy.

Interesting as I have never won more than $1200 at one time in Vegas, but my sister and her partner often go to the states to play at casinos in Washington state.  I know that her partner Dave has won jackpots over $1200 so I just called to ask her if the casino took money off the top for taxes. She said yes, they did. They told Dave that he could apply to have some of the money refunded but he never bothered. This would be as recently as three years ago, so maybe when you won the rules were different? 

Edited May 4, 2022 by UsernameFatigue

[Welshman in Ca]

9 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Interesting as I have never won more than $1200 at one time in Vegas, but my sister and her partner often go to the states to play at casinos in Washington state.  I know that her partner Dave has won jackpots over $1200 so I just called to ask her if the casino took money off the top for taxes. She said yes, they did. They told Dave that he could apply to have some of the money refunded but he never bothered. This would be as recently as three years ago, so maybe when you won the rules were different? 

I did have a big problem with the local Indian casinos here in California as they didn't know the rules but not in the LV ones. My usual jackpot was $4,000 on video poker but as much as $10k in poker tournaments during the WSOP. 

[proserpina65]

11 minutes ago, Welshman in Ca said:

I'm speaking from my personal experience but I will let the Las Vegas casinos know that they've been doing it wrong because someone on the internet said so.

From a website specifically for Canadians who have to reclaim taxes paid to the IRS on game show and casino winnings (RMS, but there are other sites as well) : "Canadian and other non-U.S. resident game show winners are taxed on the cash value of the prize. If and how much you’re taxed depends on the total amount of your winnings."

From the IRS' own website: "

Tax Treatment of FDAP Income Which is Not Effectively Connected Income (ECI)

Tax at a 30% (or lower treaty) rate applies to FDAP income or gains from U.S. sources, but only if they are not effectively connected with your U.S. trade or business. The 30% (or lower treaty) rate applies to the gross amount of U.S. source fixed or determinable, annual or periodical gains, profits, or income. Deductions and netting are not allowed against FDAP income.

The following items are examples of FDAP income:

Compensation for personal services (such as commissions and gross proceeds from performances)

Dividends

Interest

Original issue discount

Pensions and annuities

Alimony

Real property income, such as rents, other than gains from the sale of real property

Royalties

Scholarships and fellowship grants

Other grants, prizes and awards"

 

I think I'll believe the freaking IRS.  They know who has to pay them taxes.

[Welshman in Ca]

45 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

From a website specifically for Canadians who have to reclaim taxes paid to the IRS on game show and casino winnings (RMS, but there are other sites as well) : "Canadian and other non-U.S. resident game show winners are taxed on the cash value of the prize. If and how much you’re taxed depends on the total amount of your winnings."

From the IRS' own website: "

Tax Treatment of FDAP Income Which is Not Effectively Connected Income (ECI)

Tax at a 30% (or lower treaty) rate applies to FDAP income or gains from U.S. sources, but only if they are not effectively connected with your U.S. trade or business. The 30% (or lower treaty) rate applies to the gross amount of U.S. source fixed or determinable, annual or periodical gains, profits, or income. Deductions and netting are not allowed against FDAP income.

The following items are examples of FDAP income:

Compensation for personal services (such as commissions and gross proceeds from performances)

Dividends

Interest

Original issue discount

Pensions and annuities

Alimony

Real property income, such as rents, other than gains from the sale of real property

Royalties

Scholarships and fellowship grants

Other grants, prizes and awards"

 

I think I'll believe the freaking IRS.  They know who has to pay them taxes.

Tax treaties are a very complicated things but I have put the part that I think may apply in bold. As I have said more than once I am talking about MY experience and as we all know tax rules are extremely complicated. As I've been a law abiding U.S. taxpayer for a few years now it's not that important to me.

And as I've already said, back to Jeopardy.

[zapper]

1 hour ago, proserpina65 said:

Yeah, it had to be somewhere which had French-speakers and non-French-speakers, and the first place that came to mind was Canada....

Same here. problem is I needed to sing the first couple of lines to confirm that it parsed. If I had been up there, that would likely have given the other two the answer :)

[DrSpaceman73]

Yes.....please move on. Canadian international tax law I'm sure is fascinating if you're a tax lawyer like my brother but I hope we have more interesting things to discuss