S11.E02: Two Truths and a Lie

[Feech]

I take it back. 
 
Crystal is very accomplished at scheduling how other people can take care of her kids.

If the Real Housewives wanted someone who is mainly talented at scheduling why don’t they hire an air traffic controller?

[Hiyo]

“Crystal is very accomplished at schedulinghow other people can take care of her kids.”

So that makes her no different from any of the other HWs on this show lol

“If the Real Housewives wanted someone who is mainly talented at scheduling why don’t they hire an air traffic controller?”

They don’t need to, thats what the HWs themselves are there for.

[Jel]

Crystal may be one of those first years, who kind of enters all blustery and takes on one of the vets. And  if that is the case, I hope she takes on Rinna, Erika or Kyle. Especially Kyle, who really is the Teflon Don of HWs.

I’m hate watching at this point.

[Feech]

3 minutes ago, Jel said:

Crystal may be one of those first years, who kind of enters all blustery and takes on one of the vets. And  if that is the case, I hope she takes on Rinna, Erika or Kyle. Especially Kyle, who really is the Teflon Don of HWs.

I’m hate watching at this point.

It’s obvious already that she targeted Sutton. She has said that she has seen the show so I think her strategy is to take down the weakest link. The preview of next week intimated that she actually kicked Sutton. She has a strategy and it is reminiscent of Brandy who brought herself up by tearing other people down.

I don’t understand why she was cast. She reminds me of other missteps like the real estate girl or the witch. Just another bad call by the casting agents.

[Hiyo]

It seems like Sutton targeted her by telling her to shut up. Crystal seems so far like a “don’t start none, won’t be none” type of person.

So far I am liking her, and kudos to the casting people for bringing her on.

[PhilMarlowe2]

On 5/29/2021 at 10:58 AM, ancslove said:

And instead of going to her assistant to check her bank statements and see if a payment went through, Garcelle turned on Kyle and basically said, "You can't publicly criticize me about anything, even if it's true, because that can be perceived as racist".  And I wonder where Garcelle and the show goes from there.

Except that's not what Garcelle said. She explained clearly why being accused of "stiffing a bill" plays into a stereotype she has experienced around black people being cheap or not paying what's owed. And apparently she was taken aback by the accusation at the reunion because she hadn't realized that the donation hadn't been made - that is a big difference from someone who is simply trying to slink out of responsibility for an intentional shitty thing they did.

[OdinO.]

7 hours ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

Except that's not what Garcelle said. She explained clearly why being accused of "stiffing a bill" plays into a stereotype she has experienced around black people being cheap or not paying what's owed. And apparently she was taken aback by the accusation at the reunion because she hadn't realized that the donation hadn't been made - that is a big difference from someone who is simply trying to slink out of responsibility for an intentional shitty thing they did.

 I've never heard that stereotype until this show but she seems to think it is prevalent. I ask with whom?  

Edited May 31, 2021 by OdinO.

[Baltimore Betty]

7 hours ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

Except that's not what Garcelle said. She explained clearly why being accused of "stiffing a bill" plays into a stereotype she has experienced around black people being cheap or not paying what's owed. And apparently she was taken aback by the accusation at the reunion because she hadn't realized that the donation hadn't been made - that is a big difference from someone who is simply trying to slink out of responsibility for an intentional shitty thing they did.

My understanding of what Garcelle bid on was a vacation of some sort, if she did not pay for the item for which she placed the winning bid she would not receive the item. If Garcelle did not receive the item she would have asked about it and she would have been told she did not pay for it...every auction I have ever been to you had to register for a number paddle, immediately following the bidding was over a rep would come to that person and take the paddle number and name, etc...why wouldn't the charity have contacted Garcelle about the non payment, it would not be up to Kyle to chase down the money, there were many ways to get a hold of Garcelle other than involving Kyle.  I call BS on this situation, maybe the producers urged Garcelle to bid on something, maybe she thought it would be just for show so she did not think about paying for her item, production might have screwed her over.

 

[Hiyo]

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I ask with whom?  

With a lot of non-Black people you don't know, maybe?

Garcelle wasn't accusing Kyle of anything per se, she was just pointing out to Kyle that certain accusations can be more hurtful depending on the person being accused. Yes, att the same time, I can imagine Kyle doing the same thing to any of the other women she wasn't on good terms with (she might have accused Carleton of worse), but nothing wrong with having certain things pointed out that she may not have previously been aware of.

I have to give Kyle credit for actually listening to Garcelle, to looking at things from a different perspective, and possibly taking what she said to heart, whereas others might have just had a knee-jerk reaction and dismissed what Garcelle was saying outright.

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it would not be up to Kyle to chase down the money

Clearly Kyle felt differently at the reunion, since she was aware that Garcelle hadn't paid.

Edited May 31, 2021 by Hiyo

[Baltimore Betty]

1 hour ago, Hiyo said:

Clearly Kyle felt differently at the reunion, since she was aware that Garcelle hadn't paid.

Production has been known to play fast and loose with HW's, my thought was Garcelle may have been told to bid on something just for the show and Kyle might not have known it was just for show...all I am saying is production may have had a hand in Garcelle's non payment for something she was told to bid on.

All speculation but not putting it past the producers to drum up drama, not telling Kyle it was not a real bid from Garcelle, etc...

[Hiyo]

All of which could can have been avoided had Kyle spoken to Garcelle about it before the reunion.

Also we need to stop using production as a crutch to write off things we don't like HWs doing or why certain HWs act a certain way. I mean, people still can if they want, obvs, but we know that production is involved and yet at the same time we are also seeing the women choose to act a certain way and say certain things regardless.

Edited May 31, 2021 by Hiyo

[eleanorofaquitaine]

I didn't have much of a problem with Kyle bringing up the lack of payment at the reunion because it was clear she did it for the reason she articulated in her conversation with Garcelle - namely, Garcelle had been snippy with her and if they had been getting along, it likely would have been resolved off-camera.

That being said, I also have zero problem with Garcelle articulating to Kyle that there ARE stereotypes about Black people and money that Kyle's accusation played into. It's funny to me that people are pushing back on Garcelle's perspective when Kyle herself isn't but instead, listened attentively and recognized why Garcelle felt the way she did. 

Re Crystal "going after" Sutton. Seems to me that Sutton is the one "going after" Crystal, since Crystal didn't say one negative thing to Sutton until Sutton jumped in and told her that she apparently can't talk about her own lived experience as an Asian American woman. The theory that Crystal is a "newbie going after a veteran" doesn't make much sense to me given how this argument happened. Crystal wasn't starting anything, Sutton was. 

[Lady of nod]

Is racism a huge problem in this country (and the world) ? Absolutely! Do I want to see a whole season of Crystal and Sutton going at it over this issue? Hell no. I here to get away from the world’s problems and watch these bitches act like fools , see house clothes and jewelry porn, and hopefully the takedown of the ice queen and her sham squad. The icing on the cake would be the demise of Rhinna and Kyle, but I”ll settle for Erika going down this season. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Most regular, non-reality-show folks would communicate privately that you didn’t receive payment. Even if there is an unpleasant dynamic between you two. Unless you’re a jerk.

[Cosmocrush]

4 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Unless you’re a jerk.

Definition of a RHOBH, in my opinion of course.   Sometimes entertaining, sometimes infuriating.  

Edited May 31, 2021 by Cosmocrush
Changed RHOOC to RHOBH but really both apply.

[Stats Queen]

7 hours ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I didn't have much of a problem with Kyle bringing up the lack of payment at the reunion

I have a problem with it, because if a charity did not receive money, that should have been adressed at the time, not months later during a reunion to use as a point of personal attack. That is many months before a charity actually received funds.

I know what it’s like to work for a nonprofit where every dollar matters. Maybe this organization was large enough (like the American Cancer Society) to not be feel the impact $1000 would make. Regardless, I think Kyle cared more about humiliating someone else on TV than she did about the charity. If she cared more about the charity, she would have handled this off camera and months prior.

As others have posted, she hosted an event and it was not her responsibility to secure actual payment; that would have been way outside of her responsibilities as a host.

The fact that payment wasn’t secured from Garcelle is problematic as is the fact the fact that Garcelle didn’t know that no payment never happened. I am not rich enough to have someone else manage my money for me, so I always know where my money goes. Also, at any charity event I’ve been at, you had to give your credit card number after you won an item.

[ladle]

In their de-glammed state at the Tahoe house, everyone looked so much better than they normally do.

Sometimes the things these women do to themselves make me forget how pretty they are.  

Edited June 1, 2021 by ladle

[ladle]

On 5/26/2021 at 8:10 PM, eleanorofaquitaine said:

This is a reasonable conversation between Kyle and Garcelle (so far). How refreshing. 

ETA: Good for both of them for being mature adults. 

I was pleasantly surprised that Kyle didn’t get super defensive and make it all about herself. *golf clap*

[Keywestclubkid]

Garcelle and Rinna having that conversation on the bed in Tahoe with Rinna spinning it so she is the victim in this fight LOL you just wanna stick it to me and that's okay you just wanna dig in making it seem like she will be the martyr and the bigger person for Allowing her to  ... NO Rinna you were the asshole attacking your so called friend like a rabid hyena last season and are now trying to once again deflect from what a shitty person you are 

Edited June 2, 2021 by Keywestclubkid

[ladle]

On 5/26/2021 at 9:01 PM, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Speaking of conversations about race going south quickly, that happened between Crystal and Sutton.  Crystal was just reinforcing what Garcelle said to Kyle, I don't know what Sutton's problem was.

Yeah, what’s your damage, Sutton?!? I typically kind of enjoy her, but that was way out of left field. It seems like she felt a certain kind of way, and was waiting for a moment to unburden herself of that thought. If she really thinks that experiencing racism is analogous to being stereotyped as a Southerner, this won’t end well for her. 

[Cosmocrush]

3 hours ago, ladle said:

In their de-glammed state at the Tahoe house, everyone looked so much better than they normally do.

Sometimes the things these women do to themselves make me forget how pretty they are.  

Yes!!  I noticed it the most with Kyle, whom I've always thought was pretty but a horrible dresser.   Jeans, a sweater and barefeet - she looked 20 years younger than that horrible look she sported at the last reunion.  

Edited June 1, 2021 by Cosmocrush

[ladle]

On 5/28/2021 at 10:49 AM, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Right? It kind of feels like their relationship became strained because of this incident. Because otherwise, they didn't seem to interact enough in two episodes to have a "strained relationship."

I’m not here to defend Sutton, and I’m giving major side-eye to her Instagram post which looks like it was written by a media consultant. That said, they don’t always show the scenes in the order they filmed them so it’s possible that another conflict did precede this. 

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Edited June 1, 2021 by ladle

[Feech]

1 hour ago, ladle said:

Yeah, what’s your damage, Sutton?!? I typically kind of enjoy her, but that was way out of left field. It seems like she felt a certain kind of way, and was waiting for a moment to unburden herself of that thought. If she really thinks that experiencing racism is analogous to being stereotyped as a Southerner, this won’t end well for her. 

It can’t end well for her.

It looks like she is the target this season as everyone is all over the place saying she is the one “stirring the pot.”

They always pick someone to bring down. It won’t be Erica because she has too much on the other members of the pack and would not be afraid to use it. Dorito is too slick and Rinna is the ringleader and the producers attack dog. Garcelle and the new one get a pass because they can play the race card. So that leaves Sutton or Kyle and it doesn’t seem time for Kyle’s comeuppance yet.

So it’s clear that it’s Sutton’s turn in the barrel and she won’t get a pass no matter how many gift bags she gives out.

I just hope she goes down swinging.

[Jel]

On 5/31/2021 at 4:21 PM, Stats Queen said:

I have a problem with it, because if a charity did not receive money, that should have been adressed at the time, not months later during a reunion to use as a point of personal attack. That is many months before a charity actually received funds.

I know what it’s like to work for a nonprofit where every dollar matters. Maybe this organization was large enough (like the American Cancer Society) to not be feel the impact $1000 would make. Regardless, I think Kyle cared more about humiliating someone else on TV than she did about the charity. If she cared more about the charity, she would have handled this off camera and months prior.

As others have posted, she hosted an event and it was not her responsibility to secure actual payment; that would have been way outside of her responsibilities as a host.

The fact that payment wasn’t secured from Garcelle is problematic as is the fact the fact that Garcelle didn’t know that no payment never happened. I am not rich enough to have someone else manage my money for me, so I always know where my money goes. Also, at any charity event I’ve been at, you had to give your credit card number after you won an item.

Agree, and Kyle's "well I only said it because I was mad" is so childish, so low level moral reasoning, it's pathetic. Really shocking from a woman of her advanced years. 

 

[eleanorofaquitaine]

1 hour ago, ladle said:

I’m not here to defend Sutton, and I’m giving major side-eye to her Instagram post which looks like it was written by a media consultant. That said, they don’t always show the scenes in the order they filmed them so it’s possible that another conflict did precede this. 

 

 

That's a valid point, though during the scene itself, their relationship didn't look strained. But point taken. 

[RealHousewife]

5 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Yes!!  I noticed it the most with Kyle, whom I've always thought was pretty but a horrible dresser.   Jeans, a sweater and barefeet - she looked 20 years younger than that horrible look she sported at the last reunion.  

Kyle's face is one of the most pretty without makeup imo. 

[Hiyo]

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It looks like she is the target this season

The target of what? Sutton jumped into an discussion between 2 other HWs when she really had no need to be involved whatsoever. Crystal pushing back on Sutton isn't anywhere near a sign that she is being targeted.

[dmeets]

And even if Sutton was being targeted, I can’t muster sympathy for her after going after Teddi last year for... being pregnant. If anything, I’d guess Sutton is trying to make a name for herself going after the newbie. Hey Sutton, you had your fun, now let the mouse go.

[Feech]

2 hours ago, Hiyo said:

The target of what? Sutton jumped into an discussion between 2 other HWs when she really had no need to be involved whatsoever. Crystal pushing back on Sutton isn't anywhere near a sign that she is being targeted.

 Check out some of the blogs where all of them say Sutton was the main trouble maker this season.

So much so that the new one kicks her.

Plus she was just standing in for the fans when she went after Accountability Teddy. Everybody hates Teddy.

Edited June 2, 2021 by Feech

[Hiyo]

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where all of them say Sutton was the main trouble maker this season.

Them pointing out Sutton being a trouble maker is a far, far, far cry from them targeting her for...reasons? Besides white fragility, of course.

[Feech]

2 minutes ago, Hiyo said:

Them pointing out Sutton being a trouble maker is a far, far, far cry from them targeting her for...reasons? Besides white fragility, of course.

“White fragility?”

I guess Sutton is an approved target because she is white.

Its going to be a long season if that is wear it’s going.

[Hiyo]

No, she isn't a target, approved or otherwise. And if she were, it wouldn't have anything to do with her being white.

[sistermagpie]

6 hours ago, Feech said:

“White fragility?”

I guess Sutton is an approved target because she is white.

Its going to be a long season if that is wear it’s going.

 

6 hours ago, Hiyo said:

No, she isn't a target, approved or otherwise. And if she were, it wouldn't have anything to do with her being white.

Yeah, I'm confused--is there footage that I haven't seen? Because all we've got so far is Sutton jumping into a conversation and telling Crystal to not even start talking about racial stereotypes because she, Sutton, gets stereotyped for being a white Southern woman, and Crystal snapping back with omg, are we doing the "I don't see race" thing.

The explanations of how this scene shows Sutton being targeted honestly seem like they're hinting at a larger hero narrative about Sutton the lone white person refusing to grovel before non-white people, and being the victim even before the inevitable unfair attack because that's the reality of being a white person like her. Maybe the rest of the season will show her being ganged up on for petty reasons, but so far not seeing it.

[HotHW]

On 5/30/2021 at 11:21 PM, PhilMarlowe2 said:

Except that's not what Garcelle said. She explained clearly why being accused of "stiffing a bill" plays into a stereotype she has experienced around black people being cheap or not paying what's owed. And apparently she was taken aback by the accusation at the reunion because she hadn't realized that the donation hadn't been made - that is a big difference from someone who is simply trying to slink out of responsibility for an intentional shitty thing they did.

She straight up asked Kyle if she called her out because she was black. That was some bullshit because I've never seen any of those ladies treat her any differently because of her skin color. I dont even understand this particular stereotype...black people dont pay their bills now? Since when? Gotta update my notebook. 

Again, Garcelle needs to drop it because IMO shes making herself look worse. She's hardly the CEO of a conglomerate. She donated to a charity. A week after the event, if she still hadn't written a check she should have called her coworker who hosted the charity and asked what's  up? Not sit back and eventually blame an assistant or mailing address mixup. Did she pay her credit card bills that month? Did they find her new address? What if Kyle never said anything....would the charity still be waiting? G never gave any insight on that did she? I get the show wants to use G to push this narrative this year but G isnt painting herself in a better light the way shes going about it so far IMO. 

[hatchetgirl]

On 5/27/2021 at 12:46 PM, RealHousewife said:

lol! Brandi's said she loves to cook and wishes the motherly side of her was shown more on Housewives. 

Ugh - having run into Brandi, I wouldn't eat a dang thing cooked by her.  She honestly looked like she smelled bad.  She put together the most horrible, wrinkly t-shirt and weird jeggings thing, with her hair a mess to go to a deposition at a law office and utterly grossed me out!

As for Kathy - not a fan.  I think she's fake as shit and she seems to come across as above it all.

[sistermagpie]

4 hours ago, HotHW said:

She straight up asked Kyle if she called her out because she was black. That was some bullshit because I've never seen any of those ladies treat her any differently because of her skin color. I dont even understand this particular stereotype...black people dont pay their bills now? Since when? Gotta update my notebook. 

 

But TBF, that was in service of explaining her own sensitivity around the issue. When Kyle said that she did think she would have said that to any of the ladies if she was angry at them, Garcelle, iirc, believed her and then explained how she couldn't react to it the way one of the white women would because her own experience gave it a different context. "Black people don't pay their bills" doesn't sound too unbelievable as a racist stereotype.

I think it's also hard to just make a blanket statement about whether Garcelle is being treated differently because of her skin color. It's usually more complicated than the days not all that long ago when there were just laws that said "only for white people" and that was totally reasonable. It's amazing how many things about racism in US society might sound like a stretch and then turn out to actually be 100% true.

 

[SemiCharmedLife]

22 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Yes!!  I noticed it the most with Kyle, whom I've always thought was pretty but a horrible dresser.   Jeans, a sweater and barefeet - she looked 20 years younger than that horrible look she sported at the last reunion.  

Her recent nose job and other work probably helped!

[SemiCharmedLife]

20 hours ago, Feech said:

It can’t end well for her.

It looks like she is the target this season as everyone is all over the place saying she is the one “stirring the pot.”

They always pick someone to bring down. It won’t be Erica because she has too much on the other members of the pack and would not be afraid to use it. Dorito is too slick and Rinna is the ringleader and the producers attack dog. Garcelle and the new one get a pass because they can play the race card. So that leaves Sutton or Kyle and it doesn’t seem time for Kyle’s comeuppance yet.

So it’s clear that it’s Sutton’s turn in the barrel and she won’t get a pass no matter how many gift bags she gives out.

I just hope she goes down swinging.

I agree that if there is a gang up this year, Sutton will be the one  in the cross-hairs.  She really messed up jumping into that conversation with Crystal like that and not letting her talk, on such a sensitive topic, no less.  (I think being tipsy may have added to her cluelessness.) Now, the other housewives who like to target someone they are jealous of have fuel for their fire.  

[princelina]

On 5/31/2021 at 11:20 AM, eleanorofaquitaine said:

It's funny to me that people are pushing back on Garcelle's perspective when Kyle herself isn't but instead, listened attentively and recognized why Garcelle felt the way she did. 

 

On 5/31/2021 at 7:21 PM, Stats Queen said:

Also, at any charity event I’ve been at, you had to give your credit card number after you won an item.

My pushback to her is regarding the fact that her excuse was "they had an old address of mine" and that is clearly a lie.  If she didn't have a credit card on her they certainly would have gotten her modern day, current, phone and email information.

[Slakkie]

1 hour ago, princelina said:

 

My pushback to her is regarding the fact that her excuse was "they had an old address of mine" and that is clearly a lie.  If she didn't have a credit card on her they certainly would have gotten her modern day, current, phone and email information.

I guess I do not get why no one attempted to call her.  At the same time I would find it hard to forget $5,000s.  I feel like there is a huge part of the story Bravo is keeping out because it makes no sense

[PhilMarlowe2]

On 6/2/2021 at 7:53 AM, HotHW said:

Again, Garcelle needs to drop it because IMO shes making herself look worse. She's hardly the CEO of a conglomerate. She donated to a charity. A week after the event, if she still hadn't written a check she should have called her coworker who hosted the charity and asked what's  up? Not sit back and eventually blame an assistant or mailing address mixup. Did she pay her credit card bills that month? Did they find her new address? What if Kyle never said anything....would the charity still be waiting? G never gave any insight on that did she? I get the show wants to use G to push this narrative this year but G isnt painting herself in a better light the way shes going about it so far IMO. 

Most people in Hollywood have money managers who manage and pay their bills for them. I worked as a personal assistant to a Hollywood couple and any question regarding bills, credit card charges, frequent flyer miles etc went straight to the money manager. Considering both Garcelle's career and also her marriage to a high-powered agent, I would be seriously surprised if she sat down at her desk each week and wrote checks. Same goes for Kyle, Rinna, Erika or any of them. It's how certain corrupt financial advisors are able to steal easily from clients. Anyhow, I've seen no other evidence from Garcelle that she would make up lies about this sort of thing so I am taking her at her word.

[RealHousewife]

58 minutes ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

Most people in Hollywood have money managers who manage and pay their bills for them. I worked as a personal assistant to a Hollywood couple and any question regarding bills, credit card charges, frequent flyer miles etc went straight to the money manager. Considering both Garcelle's career and also her marriage to a high-powered agent, I would be seriously surprised if she sat down at her desk each week and wrote checks. Same goes for Kyle, Rinna, Erika or any of them. It's how certain corrupt financial advisors are able to steal easily from clients. Anyhow, I've seen no other evidence from Garcelle that she would make up lies about this sort of thing so I am taking her at her word.

Exactly. Plus Garcelle has two kids who are still young and appeared to have more nonBravo obligations than the rest of the cast. I totally believe it was an honest oversight. Her "what?!" reaction was very real too. 

[Refresh]

99% sure this RhoBH Tahoe rental is the same one that was on Keeping up with the Kardashians this season end. 

 

[chenoa333]

Regarding Sutton walking into Crystal's room when Crystal was naked:

Didn't Crystal's room have a lock on the door? Even Motel 6 have locks on their doors.