S01.E07: Breaking the Fourth Wall

[Chicago Redshirt]

13 minutes ago, Minneapple said:

If Agnes/Agatha was behind everything, then why was she glitching in the last episode? Was that genuine or just one of her tricks to fool Vision?

In the Agatha All Along theme they show a scene from her being at the Westview Border checking her makeup in the mirror. The implication was that was a setup too. Good on those who called that particular thing. I thought (and think) it is a little far-fetched that she had reason to think that Vision would spot her hanging out at the edge of town and come interact with her. But I guess they will have a shot to explain that more if they want to in the next few episodes.

Edited February 19, 2021 by Chicago Redshirt

[Minneapple]

1 minute ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

In the Agatha All Along theme they show a scene from her being at the Westview Border doing her makeup. The implication was that was a setup too.

OK, I must have missed that. Thanks.

[vb68]

48 minutes ago, swanpride said:

After some research I think that the Agnes Intro was a reference to the Munsters one...

That's definitely what it sounded like to me.

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I don't know about the "Agatha All Along", but the WandaVision intro this ep was pure Happy Endings with a nod to Modern Family's typography style at the end

I think it was primarily a nod to The Office.

Edited February 19, 2021 by vb68

[Racj82]

Well...they had no choice but to go with a female character pulling the strings when it came to Wanda. Oh the think pieces if it was a man. Obviously "Ralph" could be a even bigger bad but Agnes will be the face of it all. No problem with it but writers at this point have to write with the minimum amount of outrage in mind. Not all the time but often.

I don't care that Agnes being involved to this degree was obvious. I hate when writers get caught up in trying to trick the audience. Just tell your story.

I've decided to ignore any and all easter egg/speculation videos. I just want to enjoy the story as it unfolds.

This show honestly makes me think Elizabeth could do any genre thrown at her. What a champ. I first realized her range on the Ingrid goes west movie but she has such a bright future.

I can't think of any other sitcom styles to be used. The family sitcom is so limp right now.

 

Edited February 20, 2021 by Racj82

[Fukui San]

12 minutes ago, Racj82 said:

I can't think of any other sitcom styles to be used. The family sitcom is so limp right now.

 

Bob's Burgers?

I assume the two kids were turned into the bunny and the bug.

[Dandesun]

I think the sitcom premise is over. They really don’t have a new decade to go to and with the Agatha reveal and Monica’s presence with Darcy and Vision on the way... now it’s time to start putting things right.

And there remains the threat of SWORD just outside...

[Chicago Redshirt]

2 minutes ago, Fukui San said:

I assume the two kids were turned into the bunny and the bug.

Interesting spec. I think it could fit. But I'm assuming the bunny is Senor Scratchy, who we saw earlier in the episode and also in the second episode, rather than a new bunny. 

My spec was that they were somehow put in the TV program and being told to jump jump jump like they were Kriss Kross.

Just now, Dandesun said:

I think the sitcom premise is over. They really don’t have a new decade to go to and with the Agatha reveal and Monica’s presence with Darcy and Vision on the way... now it’s time to start putting things right.

And there remains the threat of SWORD just outside...

We were told that the broadcasts have stopped. So there is an interesting question of why did they start in the first place that hopefully needs to be answered, and related to that, why they stopped. Was it a reflection of Wanda's fatigue/depression? Agatha having accomplished some goal and no longer needing to bother with staging things? Or something altogether different?

[Keywestclubkid]

35 minutes ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

In the Agatha All Along theme they show a scene from her being at the Westview Border checking her makeup in the mirror. The implication was that was a setup too. Good on those who called that particular thing. I thought (and think) it is a little far-fetched that she had reason to think that Vision would spot her hanging out at the edge of town and come interact with her. But I guess they will have a shot to explain that more if they want to in the next few episodes.

I think she was more there keeping an eye on him it wasn't a random happen to be there kinda thing

[swanpride]

I don't think that the sitcom premise is over, but the family sitcom is a genre which is just limping along.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

Stolen from Youtube, where Agatha's theme song has been posted:

'John Wick wants to know your address.'

🤣🤣🤣

[swanpride]

lol....

I keep trying to remember from which TV show the evil laugh at the end of the title song came...I know the tone is the munsters, but I am pretty sure the laugh is from elsewhere….

[calliope1975]

I loved the Agatha reveal, and to that end, Kathryn Hahn is a gift. It seems like Agatha's been testing Wanda's power all along. I think her asking if she could bring back the dead was genuine. And I took the glitching to be more about how Wanda likely can't maintain this type of power suck forever. Plus, you know, depressed. 

So many good things. Darcy/Vision was the duo I didn't know I needed. That commercial was a bit too real for me. I need some of that since side effects of my depression are also depression, lol. Monica's powered up. I hope Jimmy doesn't get sidelined by being outside the Hex. 

I was bummed because I had read this ep would be an hour long, but I'll be anticipating next Friday's ep all week.

[tennisgurl]

3 hours ago, steelyis said:

She gave us an epic superhero landing, too! Hell, yeah!

 

"Its the Superhero landing! They all do it, completely impractical." -Deadpool 

Before I freak out more about the reveal, allow me to freak out about Monica getting superpowers because that was awesome. Love seeing the costume, love seeing her glowing magic eyes, what a great way to give her powers. And that Monica gets not only powers but her own superhero costume to go along with it when she goes into Wanda World. She also had a great scene with Wanda where she tells her to pretty much stop going along with this because this isn't who she really is, basically telling her to just kill her and embrace villainy or not to kill her and put a stop to the madness. It looked like she was getting through to her, but then Agatha showed up because IT WAS AGATHA ALL ALONG. 

I also enjoyed the 00s sitcom references a lot, the most obvious being Modern Family but I also saw some of Happy Endings and The Office, especially in the opening credits. Elizabeth really did a great take on Claire from Modern Family, especially that way that she sits in her interview kind of hunched over with her hair kind of in her face. I also really liked the jokes many ways that the fourth wall was referenced. Not only is this referencing the decade of fourth wall breaking, giving interviews to unseen camera crews and giving aside glances at the audience while generally having a self aware ironic sort of vibe, but we had Darcy talking to Vision about watching the show to Vision while giving him a recap of everything (even calling the show WandaVision) we had Wanda being confused as to who she was talking to when the voice who was interviewing her actually talked back to her, and of course the ending where Agnes gleefully smiles and winks and even talks directly to us as the show spells the twist out to us, some pun intended. Plus Monica literally breaking through the wall separating reality from the "show" to get inside Wanda World to get her to acknowledge that this isn't real. 

Darcy and Vision were a lot of fun as a duo, I certainly never thought I would get wacky sitcom adventures with Darcy and Vision, but they were very welcome. Especially Vision's annoyance at the increasingly contrived reasons he cant get home, until he remembers that he can fly and just took off in the middle of his interview. 

Kathryn Hahn is so good, she is clearly relishing getting to go full on evil witch, complete with evil cackling and bunny stroking. It looks like she was even wearing a classic witch Halloween costume before she arrived at Wanda's 50s house, I love it. I guess between this and Into the Spiderverse *Spoilers in case you haven't seen Into the Spiderverse. Which you should, its great...

 

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She has really cornered the market on "seemingly friendly character who is secretly a supervillain* twist villains in superhero stories featuring the possible multiverse.  

So we still don't really know what is going on with the commercials, it almost feels like the commercials are trying to directly get through to Wanda. Especially this one, which was basically telling her to stop what she's doing and move on with her life, because the world doesn't revolve around her...or does it. 

Edited February 19, 2021 by tennisgurl

[Brn2bwild]

52 minutes ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

Random thoughts:

Was it me, or did they not include the unbrainwashing visual effect with Darcy?

I remember seeing it.  But was anyone else disappointed they didn't do something more creative with Sitcom Darcy?  I guess at this point they just wanted to get on with the reveals.

[Lassus]

2 hours ago, Featherhat said:

Bettany has already worked extensively with Cumberbatch (in Creation which he and his wife are great in) and for that matter Ian McKellan, (for people guessing Magneto). He's well aware of the Dr. Strange speculation and hinted it was someone different (and older because he added "I've wanted to work with them all my life". And he's been working with a LOT of people since the 90s. Not that I would be surprised if Dr. Strange did cameo in this either. 

This is.... all true.  

In conclusion why don't you SHUT UP.

Sigh, yeah I got nuthin'.  I think Magneto is a bad and dumb idea.  I mean.  Patrick Stewart, maybe?  Which I also wouldn't be too thrilled about, but...

Edited February 19, 2021 by Lassus

[128survivor]

Who was on the missing milk carton at the beginning? 

[paigow]

In a few days Jimmy has gone from "Rambeau" to "Captain" to "Monnnnniiicaaaaaaa!" Dude is getting attached...

[calliope1975]

 

[absnow54]

42 minutes ago, 128survivor said:

Who was on the missing milk carton at the beginning? 

I just checked again, and it didn’t look like anyone we’ve seen before. I think it was just to show it was 1980s milk. 

[thuganomics85]

I had a feeling that they were going to do the fake documentary-style sitcom soon!  Most of it was definitely giving off a Modern Family vibe, but the opening credits was more in line with The Office, I think.  Had a blast as always (Elizabeth Olsen in particular really nailed down that style of comedy in the "interview" scenes), but I do wonder if this is the end of the sitcom gimmick, since there really isn't any style of television comedy I can think of that hasn't been spoofed. 

Not surprised that Agnes ended up being more than meets the eye, but the reveal was still pretty awesome!  So, she is really Agatha Harkness: a name I'm not familiar with, but I imagine is significant in the comic world.  Curious to see if she is the actual big baddie or just part of the group running the show, but this should be an interesting development.  And she even got her own theme song/credits!  Which naturally ended with her cackling Wicked Witch style over killing Sparky.  Kathryn Hahn is so having a ball here!

Vision and Darcy ended up being a fun duo.  At this point, I'm guessing either a lot of what went down in Infinity War/Endgame ended up becoming public knowledge somehow (who blabbed?!) or since it is Darcy, I can see her hacking government servers or something (I have to imagine there was some kind of debriefs when shit went down), and finding out that way.  Or, as someone suggested last week, it's all Luis!

Monica's got powers!  And I'm guessing all of the voices and clips during her walk through the dome might be setting some stuff up for Captain Marvel 2 and so forth.

Looks like Pietro is inline with Agatha.  Still wondering if he's mind-controlled or not even a Pietro of any kind.

I'm hoping Jimmy being the only one still outside is setting things up for him to hopefully prevent Heyward and S.W.O.R.D. from screwing things up too badly while everyone else is away.

Two episodes left!

[Kel Varnsen]

I loved the happy Endings style opening credits. Especially since I was just watching some Happy Endings episodes a few days ago. Also interesting that at the end of the intro it said "created by Wanda Maximoff". I am wondering if she created the show as a way to reach out to the outside world for help like subconsciously or something. Like Agatha created the perfect world and she made it a show.

[Chaos Theory]

Even for someone who knows next to nothing about The Marvel Universe and had to look up Agatha Harkness the Agnes reveal still makes sense.   The character has been lurking around since the first episode and I think was the first “townsperson” to stop by.  She’s  been hanging around since day one being conveniently helpful to Wanda at all the right moments.  Plus she was a witch during the Halloween episode which was clever as heck in retrospect.

Love that she gets her own theme song.   “It was Agatha all along.”

Poor Sparky.

 

And where are the twins?????

 

Edited February 19, 2021 by Chaos Theory

[bmoore4026]

OK, that song at the end was ridiculously catchy.  I'm guessing Robert and Kristen-Anderson Lopez wrote it?  Even more props to them.

Loved the bits with Wanda subconsciously trying to keep Vision from getting to their house.  The road workers.  All the kids crossing the street.

Spoiler

~It was Agatha all along~

And the twins are gone.  As if Wanda wasn't holding on to her fragile psyche with her fingernails, this happens.

When the milk container was changing, did anyone notice a missing child picture when it was a carton?  Think that will turn up in the plot next episode.

And now Monica has her light powers.  😄

And I, like many Marvel fans, were hoping against hope that it would have a certain fantastic mister being Monica's contact.  Turns out it was someone from the military with an amped up Humvee.  *cough*

However, many fan speculations were proven true, so that's good.  Mad props to Kathryn Hahn and Teyonah Parris this episode.

Two episodes left and I am all in

[arc]

2 hours ago, vb68 said:

I think it was primarily a nod to The Office.

Okay, musically, yes. I hear it now. But if you just click the link I originally provided, you’ll see the clear Happy Endings visual influence.

1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

And that Monica gets not only powers but her own superhero costume to go along with it when she goes into Wanda World.

It was just her SWORD uniform, completely un-rewritten. It’s kinda plain for a superhero uniform and the SWORD logo definitely makes it feel less like a superhero costume and more like a grunt uniform, esp with how Hayward has corrupted SWORD.

[Kel Varnsen]

2 minutes ago, bmoore4026 said:

Loved the bits with Wanda subconsciously trying to keep Vision from getting to their house.  The road workers.  All the kids crossing the street.

Was it Wanda trying to keep Vision away? As the song spelled out it could have just as easily been Agnes. And for that matter the one she could be trying to stop, the one with actual damaging information could be Darcy.

[notagain]

I definitely knew it was Agatha when Tommy described her has “empty“. A short description of psychopaths

[bmoore4026]

9 minutes ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Was it Wanda trying to keep Vision away? As the song spelled out it could have just as easily been Agnes. And for that matter the one she could be trying to stop, the one with actual damaging information could be Darcy.

Ooo, I didn't even consider that.

[Minneapple]

41 minutes ago, thuganomics85 said:

 I do wonder if this is the end of the sitcom gimmick, since there really isn't any style of television comedy I can think of that hasn't been spoofed.

Maybe the family sitcom has run dry, but they could have the twins hanging out with their Friends in the coffee shop. "Could Agatha BE any more crazy?"

[absnow54]

18 minutes ago, arc said:

It was just her SWORD uniform, completely un-rewritten. It’s kinda plain for a superhero uniform and the SWORD logo definitely makes it feel less like a superhero costume and more like a grunt uniform, esp with how Hayward has corrupted SWORD.

I think it’s more of a wink to the comic costume, and not her legitimate superhero costume (yet.)

[Chicago Redshirt]

10 minutes ago, notagain said:

I definitely knew it was Agatha when Tommy described her has “empty“. A short description of psychopaths

Billy's the telepath, Tommy is the speedster.

I imagined it was more that as a witch, Agatha knew how to block her thoughts. As far as telepaths go, psychos still have thoughts that can be picked up traditionally.

[swanpride]

I am pretty sure it was Wanda keeping Vision away, because otherwise she would have been more worried where he is.

 

Watching the commercial again, it basically doubles as a reference to the Trauma of the Snap ("like the word goes on without you") and Wanda getting lost in her own world as a result of it.

[Chaos Theory]

1 hour ago, thuganomics85 said:

 but I do wonder if this is the end of the sitcom gimmick, since there really isn't any style of television comedy I can think of that hasn't been spoofed. 

 

This is also around the time "Comedies" become "dramedies" and morph into one hour which is perfect for the last two episodes of a season. Not saying that is what is going to happen but it would make sense.  

 

 

Edited February 19, 2021 by Chaos Theory

[Chicago Redshirt]

9 minutes ago, swanpride said:

I am pretty sure it was Wanda keeping Vision away, because otherwise she would have been more worried where he is.

Wanda knows that a stop sign and kids are no obstacle for Vision, who can fly, become intangible and move (at least earlier in this reality) at the speed of sound. We were also told (albeit by Pietro, who is an unreliable source of info to say the least) that Wanda had kept children out of sight so they wouldn't be traumatized. It would be an obstacle for Darcy, who can normally not do any of those things. So my money is that it is perfidious, insidious Agatha behind it, if not a partner/big bad yet to be revealed.

In terms of why Wanda isn't more worried about where Vision is, I would attribute it to a couple things:

1. Her general confusion/depression making it tough to focus on anything beyond her

2. She could be under the impression that Vision just does not want to be with her any longer, fueling her depression even further. Vision confronted her about what she was doing to the people of Westview, then lied to her about what he was doing on Halloween. He discovered a truth that she was trying hard to keep him from discovering -- that there was a bubble outside Westview that limited where he could go safely. Wanda may not know that Vision has the full truth about having died and brought back to life somehow by Wanda, but she could certainly suspect it and that as a result think Vision doesn't want anything to do with her. 

[lovett1979]

3 hours ago, calliope1975 said:

I was bummed because I had read this ep would be an hour long, but I'll be anticipating next Friday's ep all week.

I believe what we've been told is that the series totals 6 hours of material. The first 6 episodes were approx 30 minutes each, so (prior to today) we knew to expect 3 more hours of material over 3 episodes. Some thought that the final 3 episodes would each be an hour. But now that we know that's not the case, most likely next week will be approx 30 minutes as well, and then a 2 hour finale.

[Kromm]

4 hours ago, Featherhat said:

Bettany has already worked extensively with Cumberbatch (in Creation which he and his wife are great in) and for that matter Ian McKellan, (for people guessing Magneto). He's well aware of the Dr. Strange speculation and hinted it was someone different (and older because he added "I've wanted to work with them all my life". And he's been working with a LOT of people since the 90s. Not that I would be surprised if Dr. Strange did cameo in this either. 

I think people setting themselves up for Reed Richards might be disappointed, but maybe not. Since I'm not on the "John Krasinski or bust" train for RR I don't really care either way. 

I think the age thing may be being overstated. I think he just meant for all of his career, not his life. 

My new guess because of that, and a little more research into the Nexus stuff someone mentioned in the comics thread, is pointing me towards Owen Wilson as the cameo.  

[Lassus]

58 minutes ago, lovett1979 said:

I believe what we've been told is that the series totals 6 hours of material.

I don't remember this at all, but I still think it's a bit misleading.  The credits are long, and It seems more like 6 episodes at 22 minutes of screen time + maybe 2 x 40 minutes for the last two (if even that long) make about a 3.5 hour movie.  Or less.

EDIT:  Except that leaves out an episode, whoops.  Either way, with all the credits, it really isn't particularly close to six hours of story.  Unless I'm really missing something.

Edited February 19, 2021 by Lassus

[FnkyChkn34]

6 hours ago, Brn2bwild said:

I remember seeing it.  But was anyone else disappointed they didn't do something more creative with Sitcom Darcy?  I guess at this point they just wanted to get on with the reveals.

She was handcuffed to the truck when the Hex was expanded, right?  So it made sense that she was the "escape artist" chained up, too. 

I was more surprised that Vision remembered what happened to him when he tried to escape, but couldn't remember his entire "life" before this.  He didn't know who he is, how he was created, or that he died?  Maybe it's because he's a vibranium robot, but I expected him to know.  Otherwise, how does he know and love Wanda?  They just met 3 weeks ago as a married couple?

Edited February 19, 2021 by FnkyChkn34
fixed typo

[arc]

1 hour ago, lovett1979 said:

I believe what we've been told is that the series totals 6 hours of material.

That was pretty early on and I suspect they may not have been speaking that precisely. Another regular episode and then a double-length episode as the season/series(?) finale would get up to around 5 hours and that may be close enough for Feige and Schaeffer to have said six.

[deatoya]

Not sure if this is significant or not but when monica went back to Wanda's house, the car in the driveway did not have NJ plates. NJ also  requires back and front plates, and that's been a thing for almost a hundred years (seriously)

[bettername2come]

Someone had posted a hope that sitcom Darcy would have a food truck as a nod to 2 Broke Girls. It would've gone with the traveling carnival of outsiders aspect, but at least she stole a funnel cake truck, right? I'm glad Vision knows the truth, even if he can't remember it. I like that Darcy was able to validate his and Wanda's love from an outside perspective. Monica with the powers was awesome. I like that Darcy's the escape artist but that's not even the job she wanted. Feels appropriate. I know the Agnes/Agatha thing had been called by a lot of viewers, so I wonder if there's something more. Is Ralph the mailman? I'm with the earlier spec that the mailman is in on it, Ralph or not. Evil couple?

I came here as soon as the credits started and read there was another scene. I'd been burned too many times from sitting through all the voiceover actor names hoping for an after credits scene so thanks.

[Fiftyninth]

15 minutes ago, bettername2come said:

Someone had posted a hope that sitcom Darcy would have a food truck as a nod to 2 Broke Girls. It would've gone with the traveling carnival of outsiders aspect, but at least she stole a funnel cake truck, right?

Happy Endings also had a food truck,

[Sakura12]

And it was Agatha all along. With a theme that will be stuck in my head all week. She was always showing up at the exact right moment. And she was able to talk and move on the outskirts of town when everyone else was frozen. 

I guess she also can't bring back the dead. I'm still wondering if that is X-Men Peter being mind controlled. Her asking Wanda that seemed genuine. She seems to be testing Wanda's powers. Then the heroes had to show up.

Welcome the super hero club Monica. Collect your bonus points for the landing. But you do have to be better at minding your surroundings. 

A Dottie spotting, I still think there has to be more to her. 

The Darcy and Vision road trip with Darcy giving him the recap of Infinity War and Endgame was everything. I was also getting Arrested Development vibes from that. 

[WildPlum]

So Agatha must be the one controlling the broadcasts. That definitely implies a higher Bad Person than Agatha. Although it is still not clear what the point of the broadcasts is - who are they being broadcast for (if not Hayward and SWORD)? And if it is for Hayward, why did it take adding Darcy to actually see them?

Also, as a comics fan, not thrilled to see this be the source of Monica's power-up - unless there is a further explanation, like hard exposure to "cosmic" radiation being the actual source.

Since I am not a sit-com fan (AT ALL), I haven't been following the various nods, except the very early ones that I recognize from reruns when I was a kid.

Edited February 19, 2021 by WildPlum

[Chicago Redshirt]

2 hours ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

I was more surprised that Vision remembered what happened to him when he tried to escape, but couldn't remember his entire "life" before this.  He didn't know who is is, how he was created, or that he died?  Maybe it's because he's a vibranium robot, but I expected him to know.  Otherwise, how does he know and love Wanda?  They just met 3 weeks ago as a married couple?

It seems fair that Wanda (or Agatha or Hayward or Player to Be Named Later) limited Vison's memories to what happened post-Westview. This could have been because of either mystical or technological limitations.  After all, they don't have the Mind Stone (as far as we know), which was a crucial part of Vision's mind. Or this could be because of their own personal reasons (ranging from not wanting to cause Vision the trauma of remembering that he'd been killed twice, that there was a world outside of Westview etc. to wanting to make him easier to manipulate as a pawn against Wanda to wanting to convert him into a soulless sentient weapon) left Vision somewhat of a blank slate.

It seems that he has remembered what has happened since being in Westview other than the times when Wanda fudged things to get the results she wanted. So it doesn't come as a surprise that he remembers having tried to breach the barrier.

1 hour ago, WildPlum said:

So Agatha must be the one controlling the broadcasts. That definitely implies a higher Bad Person than Agatha. Although it is still not clear what the point of the broadcasts is - who are they being broadcast for (if not Hayward and SWORD)? And if it is for Hayward, why did it take adding Darcy to actually see them?

Also, as a comics fan, not thrilled to see this be the source of Monica's power-up - unless there is a further explanation, like hard exposure to "cosmic" radiation being the actual source.

I don't see Agatha controlling the broadcast implies a Bigger Bad than her. Yes, she could be making the broadcasts for the viewing pleasure of a hypothetical Bigger Bad. But she could also be doing it for her own pleasure, for the pleasure of many Lower Bads, or various other reasons. 

I am not sure what is the problem with passing three times through a barrier that is giving off cosmic radiation being the source of her powers. That seems generally in sync with comic-book style explanations.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

3 minutes ago, WildPlum said:

So Agatha must be the one controlling the broadcasts. That definitely implies a higher Bad Person than Agatha. Although it is still not clear what the point of the broadcasts is - who are they being broadcast for (if not Hayward and SWORD)? And if it is for Hayward, why did it take adding Darcy to actually see them?

Because Hayward's a dick. It's worth noting that the first thing Darcy does when she realizes what's up is ask for an "old" television so that she could watch the broadcasts, but I can't remember right now if Hayward even noticed them, and honestly if he had he probably wouldn't have paid attention. Because. Dick.

I don't know about Agatha being in control of them, though, at least before. She might be now, and that's why they've stopped since she was the one behind the camera when Wanda was being 'interviewed', but before I think they were solely Wanda's purview. It hasn't been explained why they were 'airing' outside of the Hex, I don't think.

[Kromm]

I've actually been taking "Agatha All Along" to mean Agatha created this, not Wanda. 

This goes back to "Yo  Magic". Agatha created this, but Wanda's been fueling it. She's the battery. 

We arguably actually SEE Agatha create it at the start of Agatha All Along. It's in color when she walks in. SHE changes it to black and white. 

Wanda CAN change things, as we've seen her doing, because it IS her power being used to do this. 

I think Agatha has a partner or partners. She's not a pawn. 

Agatha, of course is also the person in people's heads. 

[tennisgurl]

Wait, does this mean that Agatha is...the Wicked Witch of Westview? 

Agnes is really going full Disney villain, complete with wicked witch costume, evil laughter, magic powers, and an instantly memorable and ridiculously catchy villain song. She is even a "twist" villain like a lot of modern Disney movies have had. I love it. 

What all was in that basement? I thought I saw skulls, some Stranger Things vines, doors with very hellish light shining out of them, some creepy animal head, and a book that looks suspiciously like the Necronomicon. 

Edited February 19, 2021 by tennisgurl

[calliope1975]

Was the Yo Gabba Gabba cameo just random or was it more? 🤔🤔 lol

 

[Kel Varnsen]

15 minutes ago, Kromm said:

This goes back to "Yo  Magic". Agatha created this, but Wanda's been fueling it. She's the battery. 

That makes sense especially if Agatha is using actual Dr. Strange style magic. Which is not really what Wanda's powers are.

7 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

and a book that looks suspiciously like the Necronomicon. 

Sam Raimi is directing Dr Strange 2 right? If Wanda leaves Westview in an Oldsmobile Delta 88 we will know that is what it is.

[FnkyChkn34]

42 minutes ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

It seems fair that Wanda (or Agatha or Hayward or Player to Be Named Later) limited Vison's memories to what happened post-Westview. This could have been because of either mystical or technological limitations.  After all, they don't have the Mind Stone (as far as we know), which was a crucial part of Vision's mind. Or this could be because of their own personal reasons (ranging from not wanting to cause Vision the trauma of remembering that he'd been killed twice, that there was a world outside of Westview etc. to wanting to make him easier to manipulate as a pawn against Wanda to wanting to convert him into a soulless sentient weapon) left Vision somewhat of a blank slate.

It seems that he has remembered what has happened since being in Westview other than the times when Wanda fudged things to get the results she wanted. So it doesn't come as a surprise that he remembers having tried to breach the barrier.

I would agree that they don't have the Mind Stone, but isn't there a yellow gem in his forehead?  What is that?