Who, What, When, Where?!: Miscellaneous Celebrity News 2.0

[Bastet]

4 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Yep. No one ever tells men to smile. I’ve been hearing that all of my life, since I was a little girl. Why should I smile if I don’t feel like it? And why  are women the only ones ever asked to smile?

My dad, my mom, and I all have mouths that turn down at the corners.  I'll bet you can guess which two get told to smile, and which one is left to walk around in peace with their mouth in its natural fucking shape.

[bluegirl147]

Anytime a man (and it's always a man) tells me to smile I say I smile when I have a reason to.  They figure out pretty quickly they will never be that reason. 

[SunnyBeBe]

2 hours ago, DearEvette said:

For me, of the three I am a Will Smith fan.  So it really breaks my heart that he tarnished his legacy like this for fucking not worth it Chris Rock's ass. 

The thing is, Chris is not new.  He did a (not very good, imo) documentary called Good Hair.  He is very aware of how much baggage comes along with something as benign as just the simple way hair grows out of black folks' head and especially black women.  And there was a woman on that very documentary that spoke to him about the stigma and shame black women feel about just the sort of hair loss Jada suffers from.  And like I said above, he had been singling Jada out before in snarky asides apropos of nothing.

He knew what he was doing.  In my opinion he knew he could get away with shading her again, in her face, in front of a big audience because he knew he was in a safe place where he could tell snarky jokes on celebrities and he knew his audience.  No one but black women would have understood the subtext of his joke and mostly it would have been twitter commenters who took him to task.  And if anyone did, well he could always hide behind the 'it's just a joke' defense. 

But then Will had to show his ass.  And here we are.

And, Chris was intent on verbally wounding Jada because ……………..

[Anduin]

26 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

And, Chris was intent on verbally wounding Jada because ……………..

Because he's a fuckwit who can't tell the difference between funny and insulting.

[Vermicious Knid]

Jada's comments on RTT were pretty self serving. The way she phrased it made it seem like this was a mutual fight and they were both at fault. Chris Rock quipped a bad joke in poor taste. Will was the one who marched up on stage, assaulted him, and cursed him out. This is entirely on him.

...tried to imagine the Oscars as hosted by Christiane Amanpour...

[MsTree]

18 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

How many times have we heard if you don't like something don't watch it?  What was Jada supposed to do?  Get up and leave?  I don't even like Jada but for people to think she is somehow to blame for the slap is ridiculous.  

Going by your statement, then you're saying Will was unprovoked?!? That's even worse than trying to protect his wife's honor 😲

[Ms Blue Jay]

14 hours ago, PepSinger said:

If I can say one positive thing about this pandemic, it's that wearing a face mask has prevented men telling me to smile for the past two years. I am sick of women being told to smile for the comfort and pleasure of someone else. Fuck that. To quote Rose from the Titanic, "I am through with being polite, damn it!"

Too true.  People taking women's facial expressions personally has been a pain in my ass since forever ago.

[MsTree]

17 hours ago, Dani said:

I would say we have to stop assuming the person hurt is just thin skinned and can’t take a joke. For me the line is determined by if and how the joke can be explained. If it is only supposed to be funny because of how someone looks, their race or their gender it’s an insult masquerading as a joke. 

Why all of a sudden must we start explaining jokes??  A joke is just a joke, not a thesis. 

17 hours ago, Dani said:

What would be the point when Will had already apologized? Will is the one who committed the act and he was the one with the responsibility to make a statement and he did. If she made a statement at the time it would have superfluous and she would have been attacked for being unsupportive. 

Will never apologized directly to Chris. Will put out a prepared (statement) apology which is meaningless. His PR person probably recommended it. It was worthless to Chris.

Why would Jada have been attacked if she simply said "I don't condone violence"? Seems like a logical thing to say after what happened, no matter who's side your on.

Edited June 4, 2022 by MsTree

[Ms Blue Jay]

Why are Jada's actions during and after the joke being scrutinized so hard?  Why are there so many expectations on her about it?  I agree with other posters that she has handled the situation perfectly.

It kind of goes without saying that people don't condone violence unless they tell or show us otherwise.  If we don't hear or see about her being violent, then we can assume she doesn't condone violence.  That's fine by me.  Once again - she didn't commit any violence in this situation!

Edited June 5, 2022 by Ms Blue Jay

[MsTree]

9 hours ago, Dani said:

My point wasn’t that it isn’t possible (although it isn’t possible for everyone) but that it is an unfair expectation. I really disagree with the common belief that anyone (particularly women) should have to control their reactions solely to manage how other people will react to them. 

But by the same token Jada KNOWS her husband, and she should have known that her reaction would provoke Will to do something. We saw the entire scenario ourselves! Will initially laughs at the joke. Then Jada rolls her eyes, looks at Will, and Will starts walking towards the stage.

We're not just talking about "other people" here. We're talking about a husband & wife of 28 years who know each other like a book. The instant she took offense to Chris' joke was enough to trigger Will to do something about it. 

Bottom line, it would have been a helluva lot easier if she just ignored the stupid joke altogether.

Edited June 4, 2022 by MsTree

[cynicat]

I'm gobsmacked that JPS is being blamed in any way for Will's actions.  To me, it falls along the lines of saying it's a woman's fault she was raped because of what she was wearing, or that she was hit because she provoked it.  Those are extreme examples, however it's the same mentality.

I'm sad, because I thought that as a society we had gotten past that idea.

[Anduin]

2 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Why are Jada's actions during and after the joke being scrutinized so hard?  Why are there so many expectations on her about it?  I agree with other posters that she has handled the situation perfectly.

It kind of goes without saying that people don't condone violence unless they tell or show us otherwise.  If we don't hear or see about her being violent, then we can assume she doesn't condone violence.  That's fine by me.  Once again - she didn't commit any violence in this situation!

Why hold a man accountable for his actions when there's a convenient woman to blame?

[MsJamieDornan]

13 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

It was widely reported at the time but it was treated as no big deal which I found baffling and gross at the same time.

I still can't believe that no one cared

[Jaded]

4 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

...tried to imagine the Oscars as hosted by Christiane Amanpour...

I'd watch that. I imagine she'd have some fascinating stories to tell in an opening monologue. 

30 minutes ago, cynicat said:

I'm gobsmacked that JPS is being blamed in any way for Will's actions.  To me, it falls along the lines of saying it's a woman's fault she was raped because of what she was wearing, or that she was hit because she provoked it.  Those are extreme examples, however it's the same mentality.

I'm sad, because I thought that as a society we had gotten past that idea.

In this case apparently JPS looked at Will in the wrong way so it's partly her fault that he physically assaulted someone. Even if JPS had/has shared at home privately that people commenting about her hair was/is something that's always really bothered her I don't think she was telling Will each time to assault anyone who said something about it. Will would have done a lot better with just saying what HE did and keeping HIS ASS planted in that seat. Instead HE let HIS anger take over and reacted in a way that would get some of us arrested or at the very least escorted out of a building.

[Enigma X]

Another topic where I feel a need to defend a Smith. I am not a fan of the Smiths one bit, but, by no means, are her husband's actions on her. Even if she verbally told him (which would make her a shitty person) to slap Rock, the blame would fall at Will's feet.

[aghst]

Who has blamed Jada and completely exonerated Will?

Talk about a straw man.

Guess Jada was a complete bystander.

[merylinkid]

I am not a fan of Jada.   She's pretentioius and condescending to people who "just don't understand her life."   Having said that -- SHE is the innocent party in all this.  

1.   Chris Rock CHOSE to make a joke about a woman's looks.   One that not only made fun of a MEDICAL CONDITION (he knew, he knew) but edged into homophobia.   

2.   She found the joke unfunny.   because it was.   Jokes that make fun of medical conditions, or are punching down (men making fun of women because of power dynamics, white folks making fun of POC, rich folks laughing at poor people) are NOT jokes.   They just are NOT.   They are insults trying to be disguised as jokes.    Every harasser says "I was just joking around, can't you take a joke" making it the jokee's fault not the jokester's fault.   She also had NO choice about the joke being made at HER EXPENSE.   If SHE had slapped Chris over it well I might not have said "right on girl" because time and place.   But if she had done it at an after party, I might have said it.  

3.   Will then decided that his wife rolling her eyes was not enough to show Chris the joke was NOT funny.   So he CHOSE to get up and go slap Chris.   

Do you see who had agency here and who didn't?   

[Katy M]

32 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Do you see who had agency here and who didn't? 

Everybody had agency.  Jada used her agency to roll her eyes.  Which is a perfectly acceptable response.  She did nothing wrong.

[merylinkid]

11 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Everybody had agency.  Jada used her agency to roll her eyes.  Which is a perfectly acceptable response.  She did nothing wrong.

Yeah I was trying to make a broader point.   I knew if I said She CHOSE to only roll her eyes, people would jump all over "SHE HAD CHOICE TOO!!!" when I was trying to focus on the men who behaved badly and now somehow it's the woman's fault for not "reacting in the right way."

[Prairie Rose]

23 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Yeah I was trying to make a broader point.   I knew if I said She CHOSE to only roll her eyes, people would jump all over "SHE HAD CHOICE TOO!!!" when I was trying to focus on the men who behaved badly and now somehow it's the woman's fault for not "reacting in the right way."

Exactly. Jada's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. So she rolled her eyes. I did too when I heard the joke!

[Blergh]

 FWIW.. .

Yes,  Mr. Smith was totally wrong to have gotten violent with Mr. Rock and it was entirely HIS choice and responsibility to have done so rather than having verbally expressed his dislike for Mr. Rock's IMO tacky (and failed) attempt at humor over Ms. Pickett-Smith's physical challenge (and, yes, I think it's AWFUL to belittle another person's physical challenge whether it's hair loss, a club foot,etc). BOTH Mr. Rock was wrong to have made that remark and Mr. Smith was wrong to have gotten violent and it was all THEIR respective choices and responsibilities that they each need to own.

However, I do believe that Ms. Pickett-Smith's nonverbal reaction toward Mr. Rock's uncalled for tacky dis was a contributing factor in Mr. Smith's reactions that followed- in the same way that  it would have been had, let's say ,Wanda Sykes had made a positive joke about either of the senior Smiths and the other one had high-fived her AFTER their consort had nodded his/her liking of said joke . Pretending that Ms. Picket-Smith's nonverbal reaction had nothing whatsoever to do with Mr. Smith's choices   for having inflicted violence on Mr. Rock seems as though she was either a mannequin or invisible during the whole set of events. And, it would have helped had she said that she had condemned Mr. Smith's violence  against Mr. Rock when stating that she didn't condone violence before,during or after expressing a hope that the two men would reconcile. IF there is a record that she has condemned Mr. Smith's violence against Mr. Rock, I would welcome a link to it.

[bluegirl147]

1 hour ago, Prairie Rose said:

Exactly. Jada's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. So she rolled her eyes. I did too when I heard the joke!

Rolling your eyes isn't even really a conscious choice?  How many of us actually think ok now I'm going to roll my eyes?

Chris made the choice to tell that joke.  Will made the choice to react the way he did.

Jada is being blamed because no matter what some people will always blame a woman.  I remember someone saying once we need to thank Eve for that.

[tessaray]

11 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

...tried to imagine the Oscars as hosted by Christiane Amanpour

I might actually watch live if she hosted. 

[Blergh]

21 minutes ago, tessaray said:

I might actually watch live if she hosted. 

Agree! Miss Amanpour would give the Oscars a sorely needed and  LONG overdue heaping of class!

[ouinason]

I agree that Jada being annoyed by the joke and then looking at Will as he laughed was the WHY of the slap.  Not her fault though.  Not her responsibility either.

Also, you can't "protect" someone's feelings retroactively.  Protection is preemptive.  There was not protection of Jada involved.  It was revenge.  But nobody wants to say that Will Smith was getting revenge for his wife's feelings, cause it sounds rightfully stupid.

[Guest]

9 hours ago, MsTree said:

Why would Jada have been attacked if she simply said "I don't condone violence"? Seems like a logical thing to say after what happened, no matter who's side your on.

Because a lot of people are sexist and racist and will always find a justification to attack a Black women. 

At this very moment a 12 year old child is being attacked for being chosen to play a traditionally white book characters. A literal child who did nothing but be chosen for a job. Another Black women is being attacked for being a prominent part of the new Star Wars show. There doesn’t need to be logical why because hate isn’t logical. 

[Mabinogia]

17 minutes ago, ouinason said:

I agree that Jada being annoyed by the joke and then looking at Will as he laughed was the WHY of the slap.  Not her fault though.  Not her responsibility either.

Well said. There is a big difference between Jada being the reason Will chose violence and her being at fault or in any way responsible. Let's face it, if Chris had made that exact same joke about anyone else with alopecia, Will Smith wouldn't have slapped him, so yes, Jada was a factor. But it is in no way at all, regardless of what facial expression she made, hell, even if she'd given him the finger, it still doesn't make her responsible for her husband choosing violence. 

And also, it had nothing to do with defending her since the deed (the joke) was already done. She'd already been hurt so slapping Chris wasn't going to change that. It was just Will wanting to prove he loves his wife which is HIS choice not hers. 

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, ouinason said:

I agree that Jada being annoyed by the joke and then looking at Will as he laughed was the WHY of the slap.  Not her fault though.  Not her responsibility either.

Also, you can't "protect" someone's feelings retroactively.  Protection is preemptive.  There was not protection of Jada involved.  It was revenge.  But nobody wants to say that Will Smith was getting revenge for his wife's feelings, cause it sounds rightfully stupid.

Well said. I’ve been trying to think of a way of phrasing that acknowledges Jada was the catalyst but doesn’t feel like I am putting blame on her. I think I have settled on Jada being the excuse for what happened. As you said, Will wasn’t protecting her and he also wasn’t really defending her. What he did do was make her more vulnerable. He turned her into a punchline. He took away her ability to choose how she was going to react to the joke long term. 

Rock’s previous Oscar joke about Jada has been brought up but I don’t think it’s been mentioned that her responds was, “It comes with the territory.” She can handle herself and has the platform to do so. What happened wasn’t about Jada’s inability to handle a joke made at her expense. It was 100% about Will. 

[SnapHappy]

OMG, can some celeb PLEASE do something ridiculously stupid so we can talk about THEM? 

PLEASE?   Bieber?  Bieber?

[Wiendish Fitch]

14 minutes ago, SnapHappy said:

OMG, can some celeb PLEASE do something ridiculously stupid so we can talk about THEM? 

PLEASE?   Bieber?  Bieber?

Your wish is my command!

Latest news: Kirk Cameron is still a basic asshole and idiot.

[Katy M]

30 minutes ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Your wish is my command!

Latest news: Kirk Cameron is still a basic asshole and idiot.

I love Kirk Cameron a lot of the time.  he says what needs saying.

[Guest]

48 minutes ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Your wish is my command!

Latest news: Kirk Cameron is still a basic asshole and idiot.

So the problem with public schools is critical race theory, kids choosing their pronouns and the 1619 project. 
 

[PepSinger]

18 minutes ago, Katy M said:

49 minutes ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Your wish is my command!

Latest news: Kirk Cameron is still a basic asshole and idiot.

I love Kirk Cameron a lot of the time.  he says what needs saying

It absolutely needs saying, so I can know the people to avoid.

[Blergh]

1 hour ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Your wish is my command!

Latest news: Kirk Cameron is still a basic asshole and idiot.

IMO, Mr. Cameron epitomizes the saying 'If you think education is expensive, try [willful] ignorance!'

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Your wish is my command!

Latest news: Kirk Cameron is still a basic asshole and idiot.

I never get people who value raising children to love the country above all else. Can't even educate kids about history of the country, racism, and the lingering effects today because they might think less of America. Instead of worrying about kids being patriotic enough, how about we prioritize their safety since they keep getting killed going to school? 

[Mabinogia]

1 hour ago, Dani said:

So the problem with public schools is critical race theory, kids choosing their pronouns and the 1619 project. 

It is incredibly scary that he said equality is dangerous. WTF?!??!! What is dangerous about our school system is that too many children don't make it out alive. Murder is dangerous, pronouns aren't. 

Kirk Cameron is dangerous to me. I already miss talking about Slap-Gate. We were so innocent then.  

[Notabug]

5 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

Kirk Cameron is dangerous to me. I already miss talking about Slap-Gate. We were so innocent then.  

It almost makes me wish that Will Smith took requests.  I believe we've found someone more slappable than Chris Rock.

Edited June 4, 2022 by Notabug

[Annber03]

40 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I never get people who value raising children to love the country above all else. Can't even educate kids about history of the country, racism, and the lingering effects today because they might think less of America. Instead of worrying about kids being patriotic enough, how about we prioritize their safety since they keep getting killed going to school? 

I was just going to say, seriously, given recent news, I really do not want to hear from idiots like Cameron, sharing their grossly misguided views on what they think are the "real" threats kids face nowdays. Sit down and be quiet. 

(Seriously, we can't trust teachers to teach our kids the "right" subjects in schools, lest somebody's precious fee-fees get hurt or kids might learn about other sexualties that exist out there beyond being straight, but suggesting they walk around armed to the teeth is fine, we can totally trust them with that responsibility. Okay.) 

Edited June 4, 2022 by Annber03

[Prairie Rose]

Kirk Cameron, Scott Baio, Ricky Schroeder, Antonio Sabato, Jr., Steve Burton and Ingo Rademacher (to name a few) really fell down the pit of self-righteous toxic masculinity years ago. I could go on and on about why they are dangerous, but board rules.

[Prairie Rose]

1 hour ago, Blergh said:

IMO, Mr. Cameron epitomizes the saying 'If you think education is expensive, try [willful] ignorance!'

Not to mention "better to be thought a fool and remain silent than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"!

[praeceptrix]

Not exactly news, but an inspiring article from the BBC about Nilambur Ayisha, an Indian actor who persevered despite religious hate -- including being shot at during a performance!

[katie9918]

1 hour ago, Prairie Rose said:

Kirk Cameron, Scott Baio, Ricky Schroeder, Antonio Sabato, Jr., Steve Burton and Ingo Rademacher (to name a few) really fell down the pit of self-righteous toxic masculinity years ago. I could go on and on about why they are dangerous, but board rules.

I would really love a true and factual definition of “toxic masculinity” that isn’t just a disagreement with these idiots’ opinions.

We need to start being far more careful about the language we’re flinging around. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, katie9918 said:

I would really love a true and factual definition of “toxic masculinity” that isn’t just a disagreement with these idiots’ opinions.

We need to start being far more careful about the language we’re flinging around. 

Like all definitions it has evolved somewhat but the basic definition of toxic masculinity can be found in psychology. 

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A study in the Journal of School of Psychology uses the following definition to explain toxic masculinity: “the constellation of socially regressive [masculine] traits that serve to foster domination, the devaluation of women, homophobia, and wanton violence.”

[GaT]

16 hours ago, MsTree said:

Will never apologized directly to Chris.

That we know of, he might have handled it privately & neither man made it public.

15 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

This reminds me of how when news about abusive men comes out, people always interview the female actors that worked with them.  This needs to stop!!!!!!!

I still have no idea why Kate Moss testified during the Depp/Heard trial, what does what he did or didn't do to someone he dated 25 years ago have to do with anything?

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, GaT said:

I still have no idea why Kate Moss testified during the Depp/Heard trial, what does what he did or didn't do to someone he dated 25 years ago have to do with anything?

During her testimony, Amber Heard said she hit Depp because she was afraid he was going to push her sister down the stairs like she heard he had done to Moss. That opened the door his lawyers to have her testify. Depp’s lawyer even fist pumped when Heard mentioned Moss because they didn’t have grounds to have her testify before. 

[GaT]

4 minutes ago, Dani said:

During her testimony, Amber Heard said she hit Depp because she was afraid he was going to push her sister down the stairs like she heard he had done to Moss. That opened the door his lawyers to have her testify. Depp’s lawyer even fist pumped when Heard mentioned Moss because they didn’t have grounds to have her testify before. 

Amber & her lawyer have a level of incompetence that is just unbelievable.

[BetterButter]

Alan Cumming’s Missing Co-Star Chimp Found Alive After Owner Faked His Death

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The bizarre saga involving Tonka the chimpanzee, PETA and a protective owner takes another surreal twist

[janie jones]

6 minutes ago, BetterButter said:

Alan Cumming’s Missing Co-Star Chimp Found Alive After Owner Faked His Death

For a split second I thought this was another fucking stolen NFT.

[Bastet]

3 minutes ago, janie jones said:

For a split second I thought this was another fucking stolen NFT.

Yeah, I was trying to figure out how you fake the death of something that doesn't exist in the first place, then realized it wasn't the same story.

[Katy M]

3 minutes ago, Bastet said:

Yeah, I was trying to figure out how you fake the death of something that doesn't exist in the first place

I'm sure it could be done.