S10.E05: Let the Mouse Go!

[jewel21]

Lisa and Teddi butt heads over Kyle's emotional meltdown; Garcelle celebrates a milestone in her sons' lives, while Lisa struggles to stay in the shadows as her daughters launch their clothing line; Dorit and Sutton get into a cat-and-mouse game.

Airdate: 05/13/2020

Spoiler warning:  Please do not talk about future storylines that have not yet occurred on the show even if they have been discussed in the press.  (i.e. why Denise stopped filming.)

[Sew Sumi]

Dorit v. Sutton? *gets popcorn* 😁

[nexxie]

On 5/12/2020 at 5:11 PM, Sew Sumi said:

Dorit v. Sutton? *gets popcorn* 😁

Episode desc:  Dorit and Sutton get into a cat-and-mouse game.

I’m hoping a big dog comes along and takes care of them both!

Edited May 13, 2020 by nexxie

[Hangin Out]

Kyle looks like Morticia Adams.  She must have PMS lately.

Why all of a sudden is Denise worried what her kids are hearing?  They all must hear the house practically falling down all night long from sexy time.

 

 

 

[nexxie]

They made a shit show out of a perfectly good pizza party - with sundae bar! 

[Legalbeagle421]

Let's be real, "what was I supposed to do, TEDDI?" = "what show do you think this is, Teddi?"  What Teddi suggested they do for Kyle is what a group of real friends would do for each other, not a bunch of coworkers looking to make an entertaining show at anyone's expense*.

 

*Especially someone like Rinna who NEEDS attention at all costs. If Rinna "just wants to know how you're doing", then you're in trouble because she's coming for you (cue: Kim, Yolanda, LVP, etc. etc.). 

[TexasGal]

Anyone surprised that Rinna just on the spur of the moment (coughcough) tried on one of the outfits and then it was suggested that MAYBE (coughcough) the photographer should take some shots of her in it?

Yeah, me neither. 

[Hangin Out]

WTF with Kyles boobs hanging out of her suit?   
What’s with her lately?

[TexasGal]

Dorit “invested” in a Buca di Beppo?  So, you’re a franchisee Dorit.  Congrats.  Big whoop.

[Rhetorica]

I don't think Kyle realizes there is no Emmy for Dramatic Actress in a Reality Show....

[Keywestclubkid]

who's the makeup person?

[LibertarianSlut]

Denise said “fucking” at full volume at the beginning of the episode, well after she’d shushed everyone else.  I’m not saying she can’t make up rules in her own backyard.  If she thinks it’s ok to say fucking, but not to talk about lesbianism, that’s her right.  I’m just saying I think it’s inconsistent.  Last episode I asked why is it ok for Denise to say these things, and it was reported that Denise said her thing about Aaron’s dick still being big in a hushed voice and before the sex discussion started.  That was not the case with the “fucking.“ I was listening this time.  She’s not walking her own walk.  

I think what happened was that Denise knew it was wrong, but she allowed it to go on anyway, because she wanted to film the drama at her house.  It reminds me of that middle school party I went to where everyone was raiding my best friend’s parents’ liquor cabinet and she was like, “oh, um, no, you guys shouldn’t do that.  Fuck it, hand me one.”  Today we call that plausible deniability.  

I feel like last season Denise got to skate big time and basically got to be Switzerland, and I’m glad she’s finally being forced to show her hand, even if it’s by Kyle, who is coming out of left field.  

Kyle was being a big baby, but at least she said she’s tired of the ass kissing. Even though she was being phony while she said it, I appreciate that it was said.  I have been counting the number of times they would see each other and say “GOR-juss! since last season, and it’s a lot.  

I like Dorit saying everyone in the group are “fake ass bitches.”  The first step is admitting it, right?

I have to disagree with Teddi that it was a pile-up.  Kyle was kind of somehow piling up on everyone else, and then she took her toys and went home when Garcelle asked one neutral question. 

What lesson was Amelia supposed to extract about anorexia when her 20 lbs less than her mom steals the photog’s attention?

I love that Erika doesn’t want to put anything but heavy cream into her Cuban coffee.  

Dorit’s hair!  Chinese queue chic.  Giving Erika and her yak hair a run for her money.  I love it.  

I liked Sutton’s heel in the same vein.  Not something I’m going to attempt, but fun to watch.  

I’m so glad Garcelle and her husband talk to their kids about sex.  Why isn’t Denise talking to hers about sex?  She’ll scream at them, which she copped to last season, but she won’t tell them about HIV?  

Wasn’t Erika’s “ughhh” about “being around a pregnant girl” the same kind of thing Sutton said two episodes ago?  Is it ok because she said it behind Teddi’s back and not to her face?  I’m already dreading the reunion when Teddi dredges this up ad infinitum.  

So...Lisa replaced Harry with Lois?

[Legalbeagle421]

Am I the only one who thinks Delilah looks like a totally different person than she did a few years ago? She's only 20 or so, right? Plastic surgery already?

[Emmeline]

All I can say is:

I cannot stand Rinna.  
Dorit’s tail is ridiculous.                                                         I’m barely watching.                                         
I looked at the clock thinking it was almost over and it had only been 15 minutes.

Lastly, who is Lois?

 

Edited May 14, 2020 by Emmeline

[Sew Sumi]

Lois is Rinna's mother.

[Axie]

Lois is pretty amazing for 91, and, since her husband just died a few years ago, her date to a strip club must have been kind of recent.  She’s very likeable.  Rinna must have been adopted.

[bosawks]

“Don’t be a fake ass bitch Lois” needs to be my ringtone.

[Marcya23]

I can't believe I am saying this (because she has grated on my last nerve so far this season), but Sutton for the win in this episode. She did nothing wrong.  She had a thought that freaked her the fuck out, whispered it to the closest person... unfortunately, that person was Dorit.   I do not for one second believe she would have ruined anything or caused a scene.  But ponytail saw a good "in" for this episode.  I fucking hate Dorit.  

I am not sure if I can with this season.  If we are going to look for a fight, I can just focus on my own household right now ( I mean, the CHEWING!).

[DivaLasVegas82]

I wonder what Sutton and Lisa's makeup artist had a falling out about. Whatever it is, it seemed to have hurt Sutton deeply. I thought she overracted, but so did Dorit when she talked about Sutton saying she was going to flip out. Sutton didn't cause a scene at Amelia and Delilah's clothing line launch. She said quietly to herself that she was going to flip out, which Dorit overheard because she and Sutton were in proximity to each other. I also don't know why Lisa said she didn't care that Sutton was her friend and that she was going to call her out about her behavior at the clothing launch when Sutton didn't even do anything.

WTF does Kyle care so much about whether the women are in glam or not? Like Denise said, she's an actress, so she's in a profession that calls for her to be glamorous. So I'm sure in her off time, she just wants to be casual a lot of the time. But during other times, if she chooses to fix herself up, why does that bother Kyle? I totally agree with Denise that Kyle (now that LVP is no longer on the show) seems to think she is the star and wants all the women to defer to her. I don't know if Kyle is getting a bad edit this season, but she's coming off as very insecure, demanding, and a mean girl. 

I love that Garcelle is normal in a town full of wealth. It makes her so relate able. I wonder why she wasn't at Amelia and Delilah's clothing party launch?

I'm glad Lisa acknowledged that Amelia and Delilah benefit from nepotism. It can take designers who don't have connections several years before they are able to launch their own lines.

I hope God blesses me to live as long and be as healthy as Lois. She can easily pass for someone 30 years younger. It's still weird to hear Lisa continually refer to her mom by her first name. My dad did it with his parents, and I could never get use to it.

[ParadoxLost]

32 minutes ago, TexasGal said:

Dorit “invested” in a Buca di Beppo?  So, you’re a franchisee Dorit.  Congrats.  Big whoop.

It seemed like she was pretending to have invested in a Buca di Beppo.

What the flashback seemed like is someone she knows offered her the chance to be a celebrity decorator of a room.

Maybe she got a nominal fraction of a franchise for decorating?

Out of curiosity, does every Buca di Beppo have the Pope's head on a lazy susan room or is that just some sacrilegious  thing at the one near me.

But it does give me some housewife theme room ideas.

[DivaLasVegas82]

9 minutes ago, Marcya23 said:

I can't believe I am saying this (because she has grated on my last nerve so far this season), but Sutton for the win in this episode. She did nothing wrong.  She had a thought that freaked her the fuck out, whispered it to the closest person... unfortunately, that person was Dorit.   I do not for one second believe she would have ruined anything or caused a scene.  But ponytail saw a good "in" for this episode.  I fucking hate Dorit.  

I am not sure if I can with this season.  If we are going to look for a fight, I can just focus on my own household right now ( I mean, the CHEWING!).

I totally agree about Sutton. I thought I was going to be annoyed by her again when they kept showing her going off on Dorit during the commercial breaks, but Dorit was making mountain out of molehills about her "I'm going to flip out" statement.

Erika is always beautiful IMO, but she really shined in that scene with Denise when she had on the candy apple shirt and jeans and half her hair was pulled up. I'm glad Erika has toned her style down some. Less is really more with her.

[bosawks]

The fact that everyone is treating Denise with even a modicum of seriousness after that bananas dinner performance with her hubby is equal parts ridiculous and impressive.

I don’t know if I could ever look either of them in the face again but I would probably whisper in Denise’s ear that I think she was being followed....

[LibertarianSlut]

How much work, exactly, did Amelia and Delilah put into that store?  I’m venturing to guess about the same amount of work Kyle put into her fashion line, judging by how much praise Delilah got for picking out the flowers.  

Sutton is complaining to Dorit that an investor didn’t follow through on funding?  I’m just going to let the irony of that one sit.  

If Denise had so many curse words to say about Kyle’s “half-assed” “fucking” apology at DNA, why didn’t she say it to her face?  In an appropriate way.  Denise lets it bottle up and then she freaks out.  She did this last season with Camille and Kim.  It’s so strange.  

Erika is definitely drinking more this season.  

Sutton clearly wanted Joey Maalouf to be at the event, as she was gunning for him.  It wasn’t inappropriate that Sutton said she was going to freak out, but it would have been completely inappropriate for her to actually freak the fuck out.  On Maalouf.  She completely freaked the fuck out on Dorit.  This was a quieter, but no less insane version than a combination of “let’s not talk about the husband” and “at least I’m not in the bathroom doing crystal meth.”

Dorit is obviously a crook, but why does everyone jump down her throat if they’re not doing business with her?  Why first Kyle, and now Sutton?  Could it be possible that she gets in extremely passive-aggressive digs in and the mics never happen to pick them up?  I think Dorit is an asshole and an airhead, and she stirs shit, but she really wasn’t out of pocket here in any way that I could see.  

In the aftermath of “the mouse,” it was literally the worst time for Denise to bring up the cursing at the party, so I don’t know if I’m applauding her for finally getting in the game or tut-tutting it.  

Kyle had two points about Denise being fake, one was semi-valid and one wasn’t.  She was saying Denise was fake for sticking up for Dorit and her glam, and that didn’t seem fake to me, but it did seem a little strange of a hill to die on, especially given that Dorit and Denise aren’t really friends, so why was Denise was so aggressive to defend Dorit at the infamous Denise Cursing Party?

But to her second point, when Kyle accused Denise of suddenly being and living glam, she had no leg to stand on, because of Teddi’s complete overhaul upon which she never commented.  Not to mention the fact that Kyle herself once upon a time wasn’t glam...until she was.  

Does Denise think everyone or anyone wants to be on the cover of US Weekly and Life & Style, dishing tidbits about their ex-husband wreaking havoc on the country via Twitter?  Yes, she’s been on the cover of all the magazines.  All of them.  And Wild Things?  That was so long ago, that I think I had to sneak into the movie theater to see it!  To paraphrase someone famous, tell us what you did this decade.  A soap opera?  A Lifetime Christmas movie?  Girl, bye.  

Kyle was kind of being an inconsistent jerk, but I don’t understand Denise’s venom and anger that went from 0-60.  Even Erika, queen of losing her shit at the drop of a hat (“don’t talk about my son,” “don’t say fake amnesia”) was like “whoa.”  I don’t know if that makes Erika a hypocrite or a decent person for warning Denise not to go down that path.  

This is just for me personally, but I would have been much more embarrassed to say “fucking” and “asshole” and even “goddamn” with Lois at the table than if a bunch of teenagers were at a table close by.

I love this episode!  Everyone just went completely nuts over and over for no discernible reason.  I could write an entire psych paper on this shit.  Better than all the previous episodes of the season combined.  Next week looks just as good! (I’m just not enthusiastic at all about Dorit having a foray into the restaurant biz).  

[TenaciousWarrior]

Denise and Kyle’s last scene had me roll in’. “I am Denise Richards!!” I still don’t understand her and Kyle’s beef, but Denise’s talking heads were hilarious!

[Hangin Out]

42 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

who's the makeup person?

Makeup school.

[Hangin Out]

58 minutes ago, TexasGal said:

Anyone surprised that Rinna just on the spur of the moment (coughcough) tried on one of the outfits and then it was suggested that MAYBE (coughcough) the photographer should take some shots of her in it?

Yeah, me neither. 

Every time I look at her, I think of a vagina.  Those lips are putrid.

[bosawks]

I think Denise’s problem with Kyle is that she perceives that others might be envious of Kyle and she’s realizing nobody is envious of having Charlie Sheen as your ex and Aaron “enemy of big pharma” as you current husband.

A life is only a life if it is coveted by others....

[chewycandy]

13 minutes ago, DivaLasVegas82 said:

I love that Garcelle is normal in a town full of wealth. It makes her so relate able. I wonder why she wasn't at Amelia and Delilah's clothing party launch?

It was her son Jax’s birthday. The donut cake!

9 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Does Denise think everyone or anyone wants to be on the cover of US Weekly and Life & Style, dishing tidbits about their ex-husband wreaking havoc on the country via Twitter?  Yes, she’s been on the cover of all the magazines.  All of them.  And Wild Things?  That was so long ago, that I think I had to sneak into the movie theater to see it!  To paraphrase someone famous, tell us what you did this decade.  A soap opera?  A Lifetime Christmas movie?  Girl, bye.  

Denise is an icon though...she was a Bond girl and I’d venture to say a household name because of Charlie. Of course Kyle doesn’t envy her that marriage but I think she does envy that Denise is effortlessly beautiful/sexy/girl next door, is much more even-keeled and doesn’t break down in tears shouting at others to “leave me alone!” She’s just a cool girl. 

[DivaLasVegas82]

5 minutes ago, bosawks said:

I think Denise’s problem with Kyle is that she perceives that others might be envious of Kyle and she’s realizing nobody is envious of having Charlie Sheen as your ex and Aaron “enemy of big pharma” as you current husband.

A life is only a life if it is coveted by others....

I think Denise stated her issues with Kyle clearly--that Kyle thinks she is the center of attention and she has a condescending tone when she talks to the other women. I agree with what Denise said about Kyle. I also agree with Dorit when she says that Kyle holds the women to different standards. It's okay for Teddi to be in glam her second season on the show, but Kyle takes issue when Denise does it, even though Denise is an actress--a profession that requires women to be glamorous.

3 minutes ago, chewycandy said:

It was her son Jax’s birthday. The donut cake!

Denise is an icon though...she was a Bond girl and I’d venture to say a household name because of Charlie. Of course Kyle doesn’t envy her that marriage but I think she does envy that Denise is effortlessly beautiful/sexy/girl next door, is much more even-keeled and doesn’t break down in tears shouting at others to “leave me alone!” She’s just a cool girl. 

I don't know if I'd call Denise an icon, but she did work steadily throughout the '90s and was considered one of the sexiest actresses of that decade. She definitely has more on her resume than Kyle who wasn't even known before appearing on RHOBH except as Paris Hilton's aunt and spokesperson.

[RealHousewife]

If I were in this circle of women, I'd be doing the whole "WOW YOUR'E GORGEOUS!" every time I saw Garcelle. And not in that phony Real Housewife ass kissing way. I just can't get over how pretty she is.  

[DivaLasVegas82]

To the person who said Denise has only been on the cover of gossip magazines discussing Charlie Sheen, that's not true:

 

 

[Hangin Out]

29 minutes ago, DivaLasVegas82 said:

I totally agree about Sutton. I thought I was going to be annoyed by her again when they kept showing her going off on Dorit during the commercial breaks, but Dorit was making mountain out of molehills about her "I'm going to flip out" statement.

Erika is always beautiful IMO, but she really shined in that scene with Denise when she had on the candy apple shirt and jeans and half her hair was pulled up. I'm glad Erika has toned her style down some. Less is really more with her.

I wish they showed more of Erika and Tom.  I like seeing their house, and the way they talk is soothing.  The rest of them are so pretentious.

[BusyOctober]

Dorit is a boring bitch with no talent, no money, no home that she and her husband paid for, no businesses and definitely no fashion sense.  She and Rinna deserve each other. She keeps saying how she is honest, needs to be honest, friendship means being honest, blah blah blah.  How honest has she and PK been about their finances, hmmm??

So Rinna’s daughters are now fashion icons?  If they are “designers” for picking out clothing from some warehouse on Melrose, than I am going to tell people I am  a Le Cordon Bleu trained patissier because I can follow the recipe on a bag of Nestle chips and bake Tollhouse cookies. 

[Axie]

It was kind of eerie when Lisa walked into her house and her daughter was apparently sick, and, Lisa asked her if had a mask to wear.  Sick or not, we all have them now, Rinna.

[ParadoxLost]

31 minutes ago, bosawks said:

I think Denise’s problem with Kyle is that she perceives that others might be envious of Kyle and she’s realizing nobody is envious of having Charlie Sheen as your ex and Aaron “enemy of big pharma” as you current husband.

A life is only a life if it is coveted by others....

I think that Kyle resents the hell out of Denise for what they paid her to sign on to the show.  They are even running solo Denise Richards RHOBH ads.   This is Kyle's version of being the last OG Housewife megalomania.  And I'm sure there is offscreen tension that is making this feel more like it comes out of nowhere than it really is.  Kyle purposely outed Aaron's wacko belief system. She insults Denise constantly in whatever way she can think of and all she's been able to lock in on so far is "ragamuffin".

I think Denise is a mess of different things.  I think she's fed up with Kyle.  That is coming out as slamming on everything Kyle is proud of as being lesser and mundane than what she has accomplished.  Which comparing acting resumes is true but is still not a good look on her.  Particularly since while she might have worked in a couple notable films, she hasn't really had a notable role in about twenty years.

I think the producers also came down on her about not living up to her paycheck about the time she started going for Camille's throat.

Lastly, I think almost every good quality about Denise is as likely to be a PR strategy as it is to be true.  

Edited May 14, 2020 by ParadoxLost

[nexxie]

Why don’t Rinna’s girls hate her yet - even the name DNA is as much about Rinna and Harry as it is about Delilah ‘n Amelia.

(btw, if Harry really was so smart he wouldn’t have married that fake ass bitch under duress when he was in trouble for something about his old girlfriend.)

[RealHousewife]

Ugh I feel like I'm back in season 2 when I didn't like Kyle. She is behaving like that high school mean girl that gets mad at another girl's glow-up or mocks someone for getting nice, new things. 

Also, you know what's weirder than your friend showing up in glam to work out? Yelling at her and crying over it like a little girl. 

Edited May 14, 2020 by RealHousewife

[DivaLasVegas82]

11 minutes ago, Silver Bells said:

I wish they showed more of Erika and Tom.  I like seeing their house, and the way they talk is soothing.  The rest of them are so pretentious.

I don't think Tom likes being on the show. But I do like him seeing too because that is when we see Erika at her most vulnerable. She really acquiesces to him. As creepy as this sounds, I think he really is the father she never had.

[Hangin Out]

19 minutes ago, BusyOctober said:

Dorit is a boring bitch with no talent, no money, no home that she and her husband paid for, no businesses and definitely no fashion sense.  She and Rinna deserve each other. She keeps saying how she is honest, needs to be honest, friendship means being honest, blah blah blah.  How honest has she and PK been about their finances, hmmm??

So Rinna’s daughters are now fashion icons?  If they are “designers” for picking out clothing from some warehouse on Melrose, than I am going to tell people I am  a Le Cordon Bleu trained patissier because I can follow the recipe on a bag of Nestle chips and bake Tollhouse cookies. 

Haha .. good one.  On every franchise, everyone is a designer now with no degree.    They even have fashion weeks in New York City.  What a crock.  I had to laugh at Kyle’s fashion show, and Sonja Morgan’s.   They act so professional, lol.

Edited May 14, 2020 by Silver Bells

[TattleTeeny]

OK, is Kyle's issue that people cannot sometimes wear jeans and T-shirts and also sometimes get glammed up? Does one need to be a glamstah for life? 

[njbchlover]

25 minutes ago, Axie said:

It was kind of eerie when Lisa walked into her house and her daughter was apparently sick, and, Lisa asked her if had a mask to wear.  Sick or not, we all have them now, Rinna.

That was just soooo weird and as you said, eerie!  Kind of freaked me out a little (to take a phrase from Sutton).  

[njbchlover]

35 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Why don’t Rinna’s girls hate her yet - even the name DNA is as much about Rinna and Harry as it is about Delilah ‘n Amelia.

(btw, if Harry really was so smart he wouldn’t have married that fake ass bitch under duress when he was in trouble for something about his old girlfriend.)

They already may hate their mother, just not out loud.  Did you see the exasperated look Delilah had when that guy asked "Is that your Mother?" - Her answer reeked of embarrassment and dislike, not admiration.

Edited May 14, 2020 by njbchlover

[ParadoxLost]

11 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Ugh I feel like I'm back in season 2 when I didn't like Kyle. She is behaving like that high school mean girl that gets mad at another girl's glow-up or mocks someone for getting nice, new things. 

Also, you know what's weirder than your friend showing up in glam to work out? Yelling at her and crying over it like a little girl. 

Kyle was supposed to get the crown and the sycophant subjects when she helped push LvP off the show.  I legitimately believe that Rinna and Dorit, and probably Ericka convinced Kyle of that.

Now Dorit isn't following through.  Kyle was pissed off because Dorit felt she had the right to show up late for something Kyle schlepped her ass out of bed to do without an excuse that Kyle deemed legitimate and worthy.  

Dorit and Rinna are on the same page.  Its very clear that they've developed a partnership to sniff out weakness and kill it.

Dorit acts like the other person is the problem and then Rinna jumps in to back her up.  They remain totally unemotional about what they are saying and doing while the person they are ganging up on loses their shit.

Sutton's "let the mouse go" was a pretty good description of what they were doing.

[esco1822]

This show has gotten even harder to watch, which I did not think was possible. Dorit’s hair was completely ridiculous. If you are taking 4 Advil just to have a ponytail that goes down to your ankles, you should be questioning your life choices. Of course Dorit really should be questioning all of life choices so I guess that’s fitting. In the grand scheme of things, I guess a rat tail is a better choice than PK. Who is a human rat tail.

[Thumper]

2 hours ago, TexasGal said:

Anyone surprised that Rinna just on the spur of the moment (coughcough) tried on one of the outfits and then it was suggested that MAYBE (coughcough) the photographer should take some shots of her in it?

Yeah, me neither. 

I cannot stand her.  

[Callaphera]

7 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

OK, is Kyle's issue that people cannot sometimes wear jeans and T-shirts and also sometimes get glammed up? Does one need to be a glamstah for life? 

If Kyle has to sacrifice and look like a ragamuffin to attend one boxing class at Teddi's scam of an event, then everyone should have to sacrifice and look like a ragamuffin. Unless you already look like a ragamuffin, then you have no room to talk. 

Meanwhile, Kyle is just going to keep recycling the same messy updo with stringy bangs, weird waterfall earrings, and white top over and over all season so don't you dare criticize her, Denise. 

[esco1822]

I’m going to flip out and I’m going to freak the eff out are very different. Dorit is gaslighting. And for the love of god Rinna, nobody but your kids themselves are going to ruin their event.

[Axie]

When Kyle said she was busy because she has 4 kids, she neglected to mention that 3 of them are adults.

[goofygirl]

My Gawd, they're at it again!!! I have NEVER seen this bunch EAT so much!  Let's see... On the Lois date, they had "drinks and snacks" at Erica's PLAYHOUSE, had some wine at the "fashion show" and then WENT TO DINNER!!

Doesn't anybody want to show off their real estate porn?? I mean, come on now.  I'd rather watch paint dry than watch these fake-ass bitches eat all the frickin' time.

[Stats Queen]

3 minutes ago, Axie said:

When Kyle said she was busy because she has 4 kids, she neglected to mention that 3 of them are adults.

So true!!

 

she got the crown she wanted and thought everyone should bow down to her. Some seasons I liked her ,some not, but now, I just really cannot stand her.

Did not like Sutton the first episode, but I really liked her Hesse past two episodes.