S07.E13: Exodus

[txhorns79]

5 hours ago, luvthepros said:

So glad Kate came back. Without Kate, the crew would sink, literally, especially the interior. Here we have Courtney who doesn't want to work. For crying out loud, this is not the job for you, Courtney. Then we have Simone who really has not idea what the hell to do. May I reiterate.....sooooooo glad Kate came back!

If the interior would sink without Kate, wouldn't that mean that Kate has failed in her job as Chief Stew?  I mean, isn't the point of her leadership to get the other women to be able to do the job without her needing to be there? 

[diadochokinesis]

3 hours ago, luvthepros said:

If what was said is true.....the bed was a full size bed. That is too small for two adults.

Hahaha. My husband and I shared a full size bed for the first 3 years or so we were married (and then we bought a house and have had king size beds every since). My parents used to share the full size bed in our guest bedroom. You just have to like the person you are sharing with. 

[biakbiak]

54 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

If the interior would sink without Kate, wouldn't that mean that Kate has failed in her job as Chief Stew?  I mean, isn't the point of her leadership to get the other women to be able to do the job without her needing to be there? 

Perhaps in a real world scenario where she would have actual say in who to hire but when your dealing with one stew who can’t iron and another stew who can’t pour a beer, talk to the guests, or open a bottle of wine there is only so much she can do over six weeks.

Though in this case it appeared they were trained enough to do the tasks that needed to be done in her absence even if they bitched about it.

Edited January 3, 2020 by biakbiak

[Jextella]

On 12/31/2019 at 3:17 PM, Stephinate said:

Ashton seems to love to complain about a culture that he has created.  He encouraged disrespectful talk about Simone amongst "his crew", against Kate who is their superior and exhibited behaviour with Kate that could have gotten him an assault charge in the van.  Stop deflecting and shit-disturbing young man!

I actually really like Ashton, and it's really disheartening to see him self-implode.  Promos indicate one cast member gets the boot.  I wouldn't be surprised if it's Ashton.

I do think, however, he and Kate have the same problem - both have said things that rub others in the wrong way - and at a very deep level.

Despite this, we all choose how we respond to all things and Ashton has not responded well to Kate.

Kate, has managed to hold it together much better than Ashton.

Anyway, I do feel Ashton is a very good person, and I like him alot.  The show got the better of him - he should NEVER have kissed Kate without her permission or gotten so aggressive in the van.  I'd wager (or at least I hope) he is very disappointed in himself in watching these clips.

For Kate (and I actually really like Kate at the core), I think she's a mean, bossy primadonna and a horrible manager.   What's the expression, if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, odds are good its a duck.  With Kate, its the same.  If the majority of her castmates think she is a certain way, then odds are good that she is that way. 

Kate DOES need to check herself.   Still, Ashton's kissing and aggression are inexcusable regardless of Kate's level of bitchiness.

Rhylee is a whole other story.  She confuses misogyny with dislike.   The deck crew is shown saying they really liked Abby.  Their dislike for Rhylee has nothing to do with her gender. 

Edited January 3, 2020 by Jextella

[biakbiak]

3 minutes ago, Jextella said:

Anyway, I do feel Ashton is a very good person, and I like him alot.  The show got the better of him - he should NEVER have kissed Kate nor gotten so aggressive in the van.  I'd wager he is very disappointed in himself.

Based on his own words on the after show he is not.

[Jextella]

14 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Based on his own words on the after show he is not.

Was that when he was on with Caroline Rhea?   I understood his reaction to that, but it was his subsequent behavior that was far worse and not excusable, IMO.  And, I hope he watches and feels remorse, apologizes, and learns what not to do to in the future.

 

Edited January 3, 2020 by Jextella

[biakbiak]

8 minutes ago, Jextella said:

Was that when he was on with Caroline Rhea?   I understood his reaction to that, but it was his subsequent behavior that was far worse and not excusable, IMO.  

 

No they do weekly responses to the episodes and he was specifically talking about this episode. There is a link in the episode thread.

[Jextella]

Just now, biakbiak said:

No they do weekly responses to the episodes and he was specifically talking about this episode. There is a link in the episode thread.

Bummer.  I'll check it out, reluctantly.

 

[Thumper82003]

I suspect Ashton will escape any punishment for his behavior. My guess is that he’ll deflect everything to Rylee. Anyone but himself or his male crew.
“Smashton” can’t remember what he did the night before. He drunkenly cannonballs destroying dj equipment. He gets violent, repeatedly talks shit about Kate, saying repeatedly to all crew that she is a “bitch” and gets away with murder. I think pot : kettle. Only Kate doesn’t sabotage him, he does that great all by himself. The blackouts say he has a alcohol/substance abuse problem. His violent behavior says he might have mommy issues.

i think Kate and Ashton’s “leadership” deficiencies are similar. Kate doesn’t teach her less experienced crew, Ashton doesn’t train his female crew. But Kate doesn’t berate him to his crew, something that Ashton has repeatedly done. Kate is left with all  everyone hating/blaming her. Look at Kevin, he blames her for his mistakes, he not looking at the preference sheet for each passenger. Then everyone is blaming Kate, falling in behind Ashton’s “she’s an entitled bitch.”

I was very disappointed in Bravo’s dealing with this. I do think Captain Lee should have known about Smashton in real time, firing him or sending him to rehab.

i know Kate isn’t perfect, but she is the more professional.  Smashton is not at all professional. One thing that was said at least once but not emphasized is Kate saying she didn’t feel safe around Ashton while back on the boat. 

[CaliforniaLove]

If the master had a king, the primaries (Southern Charm background player + King Trucker Hat) should've let Lauren stay in their room.

[biakbiak]

29 minutes ago, CaliforniaLove said:

If the master had a king, the primaries (Southern Charm background player + King Trucker Hat) should've let Lauren stay in their room.

Unless Jaimie was paying for two people they should have told Jaimie to get over it or leave the boat. 

[queenbee24]

I’m so disappointed in who Ashton really is. I loved him last season but he’s horrible this season. As is Tanner, and even Brian for his support of his idiot Brus.

 

For an entire crew who hates Kate so much, there are an awful lot of people trying to shove their tongues down her throat. All the Kate haters, even you have to admit it’s horrible that she has been continuously harassed by these guys and physically assaulted multiple times now. I don’t care if you think she’s a “bitch” or snarky or whatever, NO ONE “asks” for this kind of treatment. She’s clearly a victim of harassment by at least 2 crew members, with no one doing anything about it to defend her.

 

Also, neither Courtney nor Simone have a tenth of what it takes to do what Kate does. Simone is deluded. Kudos on the math degree, you’re terrible at being a stew though. I have 3 degrees, that surely wouldn’t make me a good auto mechanic.

10 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Perhaps in a real world scenario where she would have actual say in who to hire but when your dealing with one stew who can’t iron and another stew who can’t pour a beer, talk to the guests, or open a bottle of wine there is only so much she can do over six weeks.

Though in this case it appeared they were trained enough to do the tasks that needed to be done in her absence even if they bitched about it.

Exactly! And it seems both lied about their prior experience, or at least Simone did. How was she ever a stew yet can't open a bottle of wine?

[queenbee24]

One more thought:

From what I’ve always understood, EACH guest does a pref sheet, right? I remember distinctly past guests saying “who put X on their preference sheet?” when something was served they didn’t like. So why are we acting like the posted sheet in this forum is the only one? I thought I heard the 2 specific guests both say they had said NO cheese.

[Angel pie]

17 hours ago, TexasGal said:

There is a link to the private chef's website in the article https://www.justinedorae.com/ .  The intro pic is a bunch of yummy looking brownies but it really set off my Type A-ness that they are not even close to being the same size.  lalalala nothing to see here lalala

Maybe Justine is auditioning to be the next Below Deck chef. Her food looks yummy.

[Jsage]

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If the interior would sink without Kate, wouldn't that mean that Kate has failed in her job as Chief Stew?  I mean, isn't the point of her leadership to get the other women to be able to do the job without her needing to be there? 

The idea of the interior sinking without Kate does not mean that she has failed. It means she is essential because her responsibilities are ten-fold compared to Courtney's and Simone's.

Courtney and Simone are currently both second stews. They serve the guests, make drinks, and attend to the guests' other needs. They also do the laundry, clean the rooms, do turn downs, etc.

Kate is the chief stew. This means she does all the requisitions, confers with the chef on each meal, delegates to the stews what needs to be done and when, and arranges the stews' breaks according to maritime law. She also organizes outside entertainment like dancers and she plans all the parties, theme nights and beach picnics the guests request. She does all this in addition to serving meals, making drinks and attending to anything else the guests need.

Without a chief stew, any charter boat would sink.

 

 

 

[chenoa333]

I like Kate. Always have. 

And everytime I see Asston in his TH's, I can't stop laughing at his "hi-rise" hair! It doesn't matter how bad my day was, I can always count on him to make me laugh😄

[The Ringo Kidd]

1 hour ago, Jsage said:

The idea of the interior sinking without Kate does not mean that she has failed. It means she is essential because her responsibilities are ten-fold compared to Courtney's and Simone's.

Courtney and Simone are currently both second stews. They serve the guests, make drinks, and attend to the guests' other needs. They also do the laundry, clean the rooms, do turn downs, etc.

Kate is the chief stew. This means she does all the requisitions, confers with the chef on each meal, delegates to the stews what needs to be done and when, and arranges the stews' breaks according to maritime law. She also organizes outside entertainment like dancers and she plans all the parties, theme nights and beach picnics the guests request. She does all this in addition to serving meals, making drinks and attending to anything else the guests need.

Without a chief stew, any charter boat would sink.

 

 

 

You know on Bonanza Hop Sing the housekeeper did all of that without being a bitch.

It can be done you know.

[jumper sage]

Went to that "chef's" page and then to where you can book her.  No bookings at all. 😂

[Jsage]

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The idea of the interior sinking without Kate does not mean that she has failed. It means she is essential because her responsibilities are ten-fold compared to Courtney's and Simone's.

Courtney and Simone are currently both second stews. They serve the guests, make drinks, and attend to the guests' other needs. They also do the laundry, clean the rooms, do turn downs, etc.

Kate is the chief stew. This means she does all the requisitions, confers with the chef on each meal, delegates to the stews what needs to be done and when, and arranges the stews' breaks according to maritime law. She also organizes outside entertainment like dancers and she plans all the parties, theme nights and beach picnics the guests request. She does all this in addition to serving meals, making drinks and attending to anything else the guests need.

Without a chief stew, any charter boat would sink.

 

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You know on Bonanza Hop Sing the housekeeper did all of that without being a bitch.

It can be done you know.

Huh? I'm not familiar with Bonanza so I googled it and found out it's an old western show set in the 1860s. The Hop Sing character is identified as the family cook. How does a scripted character on an old show have anything to do with the responsibilities of a present day chief stew on a luxury yacht?

[The Ringo Kidd]

Hop Sing was not just a cook. He was a glorified housekeeper. 

Just like Kate.

[goofygirl]

PLUS... Hop Sing didn't have an attitude!   

[The Ringo Kidd]

And he has much better hair!

[lcarolynl]

I've been thinking for some time that Brian was having a great season and being groomed for a promotion, maybe a Bosun position? He worked hard and he worked smart and Kate liked him and recognized his value to the boat.
If he had been smart, he would have curried her favor, if any of them had been smart they would have curried her favor, but she saw something in Brian.
Dumb bunny calls her a bitch to her face (In the words of Brenda Lee Johnson, "If I wanted to be called a bitch to my face I would still be married.") and loses his chance at the brass ring.  

And later, with time to think about it a little more deeply, he's still in Ashton's corner showing no self awareness!

The way these guys think and behave is beyond the pale.
That scene where they're all sitting around the table trying to remember what they did the night before, what did she say??? They are so messed up every tme they go out, completely black-out drunk, total douches the way they talk to or fight with the women, and jumping on stage dance, this night to do the worm? The WORM?? 
THEY ARE ALL SO GROSS!!!

Watching Ashton hold on to his narrative of he was reasonable and if he wasn't entirely reasonable, he apologized and humbled himself before a mastermind evil bitch (because that's the simple one dimensional villain that he thinks she is) so he's a "good guy", I don't think Ashton can come back from this debacle. As a viewer and a fan of the show, I'm not going to forget that van ride, and I'm pretty astounded at his current position on his responsibilities here.
Many a "Bravolebrity" has said the opportunity to see themselves on camera was eye opening and a chance to do better but Ashton is missing this chance. Painful work, yes, but necessary I think

Brian's not showing character and seems to be going nowhere.
Tanner's mother will have to do her grocery shopping in the off hours to avoid her neighbors for the shame he's brought upon their house and family name.
Kevin? What a yuk. What a flaccid, passive aggressive, yuk. He's a total waste of space and oxygen on this planet. Go away forever.

[CaliforniaLove]

14 hours ago, The Ringo Kidd said:

You know on Bonanza Hop Sing the housekeeper did all of that without being a bitch.

It can be done you know.

We've also seen past bosuns do their job without being a bitch. Ashton might wanna take note.

[spunky]

On 1/3/2020 at 12:18 AM, Jextella said:

I actually really like Ashton, and it's really disheartening to see him self-implode.  Promos indicate one cast member gets the boot.  I wouldn't be surprised if it's Ashton.

I do think, however, he and Kate have the same problem - both have said things that rub others in the wrong way - and at a very deep level.

Despite this, we all choose how we respond to all things and Ashton has not responded well to Kate.

Kate, has managed to hold it together much better than Ashton.

Anyway, I do feel Ashton is a very good person, and I like him alot.  The show got the better of him - he should NEVER have kissed Kate without her permission or gotten so aggressive in the van.  I'd wager (or at least I hope) he is very disappointed in himself in watching these clips.

For Kate (and I actually really like Kate at the core), I think she's a mean, bossy primadonna and a horrible manager.   What's the expression, if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, odds are good its a duck.  With Kate, its the same.  If the majority of her castmates think she is a certain way, then odds are good that she is that way. 

Kate DOES need to check herself.   Still, Ashton's kissing and aggression are inexcusable regardless of Kate's level of bitchiness.

Rhylee is a whole other story.  She confuses misogyny with dislike.   The deck crew is shown saying they really liked Abby.  Their dislike for Rhylee has nothing to do with her gender. 

I felt/feel the same way about Joao. While I understand, I don't see Ashton in the same light as you do. He encouraged his subordinate to openly speak of his sexual escapades with Simone. He poisoned the deck crew against Rhylee before she even got there. Then sexually assaulted Kate multiple times and tried to physically assault her.

I do agree with you about Kate. She is a very condescending, rude and nasty individual. The fact that she thought it was acceptable to refer to a Black woman as a puppy, says so much about her. The crew also showed how they really felt when none of them were concerned about her.

 

Edited January 4, 2020 by spunky

[ghoulina]

On 1/3/2020 at 2:05 AM, biakbiak said:

Unless Jaimie was paying for two people they should have told Jaimie to get over it or leave the boat. 

Right. Had they even pulled up anchor at this point? I would have escorted her ass to the nearest hotel and told her we'd see her when the trip was over.

[AnnA]

5 hours ago, spunky said:

I do agree with you about Kate. She is a very condescending, rude and nasty individual. The fact that she thought it was acceptable to refer to a Black woman as a puppy, says so much about her. The crew also showed how they really felt when none of them were concerned about her.

 

I'm glad Kate finally acknowledged that the crew hates her.   She can pretend to be superior to everyone else but in reality she's just a bitch. 

[PaperTree]

3 hours ago, AnnA said:

I'm glad Kate finally acknowledged that the crew hates her.   She can pretend to be superior to everyone else but in reality she's just a bitch. 

"Just a bitch", so she deserves the abuse.  OK....

She is superior to everyone else on this crew.  So the whining gruesome foursome of douchebrus call her a bitch because she won't kiss their little boy butts after being assaulted.  

Too bad, so sad.

Simone hates her because Simone is incompetent on service and has shown zero capacity to learn it.

Courtney and Rhylee have no problems with her.  They were smart to duck during this latest display of toxic masculinity.

 

 

[spunky]

5 hours ago, AnnA said:

I'm glad Kate finally acknowledged that the crew hates her.   She can pretend to be superior to everyone else but in reality she's just a bitch. 

Now if only she can acknowledge that her superiority complex is why she’s hated.

[diadochokinesis]

11 hours ago, spunky said:

Now if only she can acknowledge that her superiority complex is why she’s hated.

But she is their superior. She is a higher rank than them. I’ve never understood why people have this issue. For example, my husband is a military officer. Is he better than people below him in rank? No. But are they expected to respect the rank as outlined by military regulations? Yes. Even in my career, I’m expected to act respectfully towards my boss and understand that if my boss tells me to do something, I do it as long as it doesn’t break the law. Does Kate sometimes go a bit overboard (example: expecting the crew to wait for her if she is late getting ready)? Yes. However, Ashton was losing his shit over them being 4 minutes late which is ridiculous. He was jonesing for a reason to be mad at them. 

[luvthepros]

On 1/2/2020 at 5:34 PM, dleighg said:

I'm pretty sure it was one full size bed for 2 people. I know what you're saying-- a full size bed for any two people, even if they are intimate with one another, is pretty skimpy.

Well......from what I've been reading here, the bed was a queen size. That is more doable for two women. I still would not want to share any size bed (even a king) with a person I had just met before boarding the yacht. Call me a diva but that's just the way it is.

Edited January 5, 2020 by luvthepros

[luvthepros]

On 1/2/2020 at 6:23 PM, 65mickey said:

..........Please tell me who here could not put up with the sleeping arrangements for 2 lousy nights?

Uh.....that would be me. Only, I would have volunteered to sleep in the public space without the bathroom. I'm sure there must be a bathroom close enough to use during the night. As for bathing and changing, of course that would be in room that I was SUPPOSED to sleep in.

[luvthepros]

On 1/2/2020 at 10:21 PM, txhorns79 said:

If the interior would sink without Kate, wouldn't that mean that Kate has failed in her job as Chief Stew?  I mean, isn't the point of her leadership to get the other women to be able to do the job without her needing to be there? 

No, I don't see it that way. The 2nd and 3rd stew will always need guidance. That is what Kate is there for, besides working her ass off.

Edited January 5, 2020 by luvthepros

[Mondrianyone]

I wouldn't have shared a bed with a stranger either.  But I don't understand why the boat doesn't keep an air mattress or a cot on board for situations like this.  Or send a crew member ashore to buy one before setting sail.  It certainly beats making someone sleep out in a public space--which I wouldn't have volunteered to do either, especially to accommodate an entitled brat like Jamie, the authority on beauty in some alternate universe.

[luvthepros]

On 1/3/2020 at 9:57 AM, queenbee24 said:

.............Simone did. How was she ever a stew yet can't open a bottle of wine?

I can open a bottle of wine but not without a counter top to sit the bottle on. As a stew, the bottle needs to be opened while holding it. Kate makes it look effortless yet I know it must be difficult.

[biakbiak]

1 hour ago, luvthepros said:

know it must be difficult.

It’s really not. Also, the stews open the wine plenty of times in the stew galley and use the counter. 

[biakbiak]

1 hour ago, luvthepros said:

know it must be difficult.

It’s really not. Also, the areas open the wine plenty of times in the stew galley and use the counter. 

[mcjen]

6 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

However, Ashton was losing his shit over them being 4 minutes late which is ridiculous.

I may be wrong, but I thought Kate along with Rhylee, kept the others waiting for 40 minutes, not four.  Weren't there several shots back and forth, between the galley where the gang was, and Kate & Rhylee's room, with a clock at the bottom of the screen?  If it was, in fact, 40 minutes, I can better understand Ashton and the others being annoyed about it.  I'm a Kate fan, but this is one of those things that does bother me (keeping people waiting on her on a day off); it just seems unnecessarily inconsiderate.  Having her then dismiss their objections in a talking head by saying they are below her rank so she doesn't care was not a good look for her, either.

Does any of that justify Ashton's belligerence later that night?  Absolutely not!

[spunky]

7 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

But she is their superior. She is a higher rank than them. I’ve never understood why people have this issue. For example, my husband is a military officer. Is he better than people below him in rank? No. But are they expected to respect the rank as outlined by military regulations? Yes. Even in my career, I’m expected to act respectfully towards my boss and understand that if my boss tells me to do something, I do it as long as it doesn’t break the law. Does Kate sometimes go a bit overboard (example: expecting the crew to wait for her if she is late getting ready)? Yes. However, Ashton was losing his shit over them being 4 minutes late which is ridiculous. He was jonesing for a reason to be mad at them. 

My issue with Kate is her attitude. She has a tendency to be very catty towards the stew she doesn’t like every single season. If she doesn’t like someone she treats them like crap and talks about them behind their backs to everyone else. She promoted Courtney in front of Simone as “punishment “, as well as spoke poorly about her to Rhylee and Courtney. We can both agree that Ashton is an abusive jerk, who should have been thrown overboard since the season began.

[PaperTree]

1 minute ago, spunky said:

She promoted Courtney in front of Simone as “punishment “

So she should have done it behind her back instead?

[The Ringo Kidd]

2 minutes ago, PaperTree said:

So she should have done it behind her back instead?

She should not have done it at all.

[PaperTree]

Courtney has done the work to earn it.  Kate should have demoted Simone while she was at it.

 

[spunky]

2 minutes ago, PaperTree said:

So she should have done it behind her back instead?

She did it that way to be vindictive. Simone has said from jump that she was always in the laundry room and had no service experience. So of course she can’t do anything service related. She would have benefited from having Hannah as her supervisor, because Captain Sandy would not tolerate vindictive behavior. It’s also amazing how everyone was dragging Hannah because she didn’t want to train Kasey, but sing Kate’s praises for being a bully who called Simone out her name.

[biakbiak]

2 minutes ago, spunky said:

had no service experience.

She didn’t say she had no service experience she said she wanted to improve in that area which is different and it’s not just no service skills it’s a lot of basic shit like prep work. It’s not like Simone did anything to deserve those stripes more than have a year longer on her resume than Courtney did. In an ideal world she probably would actually see them work before she awarded them positions and stripes but that is rarely the case anywhere. 

[spunky]

9 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

She didn’t say she had no service experience she said she wanted to improve in that area which is different and it’s not just no service skills it’s a lot of basic shit like prep work. It’s not like Simone did anything to deserve those stripes more than have a year longer on her resume than Courtney did. In an ideal world she probably would actually see them work before she awarded them positions and stripes but that is rarely the case anywhere. 

Clearly Kate could burn the boat down with Simone on it and you as well as other people would be okay with it, because Kate does no wrong. I’m so over people worshipping the ground a bully walks on, while continuing to drag the other person while they’re down. No wonder Kate saw it fit to refer to Simone as a puppy, because she knows her fans see nothing wrong with her behavior. Hopefully next season her entire team makes her life hell.

[biakbiak]

Just now, spunky said:

Clearly Kate could burn the boat down with Simone on it and you as well as other people would be okay with it, because Kate does no wrong. I’m so over people worshipping the ground a bully walks on, while continuing to drag the other person while they’re down. No wonder Kate saw it fit to refer to Simone as a puppy, because she knows her fans see nothing wrong with her behavior. Hopefully next season her entire team makes her life hell.

Kate can do plenty of things wrong. However, I don’t understand how it’s wrong for Kate to have assumed a level of experience based on her resume that Simone clearly doesn’t have and doesn’t seem particularly good at picking up. Most of the things she has needed to be “trained” on are things most people would have picked up observing from two years of yachting or talking to the higher ranking stews about their job. It is ridiculous that Simone had to be told more than once that “checking on the guests” required actually speaking to them. That’s not a training issue that is like basic common sense of an adult human being who has ever been to a restaurant before!

[Mondrianyone]

Simone kept saying she preferred to be doing laundry, but then when she was taken at her word, she complained and was resentful about being relegated to the duty she said she preferred.  When Kate and/or Courtney tried to teach her things like how to pour a glass of beer (!), she rudely brushed off the instruction.  She was a stew for a year (allegedly), yet didn't know how to operate a corkscrew.  I've known toddlers who could cut up citrus fruit cleaner than she sliced those lemons.  It's almost like she showed up on the boat with negative skills. 

Educated people tend to love learning new things, especially if those things advance them in their job.  Simone actively blows off being taught new things.  But she feels as if the upper-stew position is somehow her due.  Search me.  🤷‍♀️

If I were Kate, I'd not only have promoted Courtney in front of Simone, I'd have pulled off Simone's epaulets, ripped off her brass buttons, turned her uniform inside out, broken her sword in half, and then snapped the drumsticks they used to drum her out.  Why not go all the way with it, as long as we love the drama?  ⚔️

[scrb]

34 minutes ago, spunky said:

My issue with Kate is her attitude. She has a tendency to be very catty towards the stew she doesn’t like every single season. If she doesn’t like someone she treats them like crap and talks about them behind their backs to everyone else. She promoted Courtney in front of Simone as “punishment “, as well as spoke poorly about her to Rhylee and Courtney. We can both agree that Ashton is an abusive jerk, who should have been thrown overboard since the season began.

Both Kate and Hanna play favorites, at least part of each season.

It may not be conscious thing though.  In close quarters, you don't want to be isolated from the rest of the group so they seem to gravitate towards a favorite and often the thing that binds a couple of them is their shared disdain for someone else.

 

[biakbiak]

14 minutes ago, Mondrianyone said:

Simone actively blows off being taught new things.  But she feels as if the upper-stew position is somehow her due.  Search me.  🤷‍♀️

Like most humans I expect Simone to have a version of events that skews in her favor when she is telling a story but when she acted like she had to teach Courtney everything she knew when that amounted to using an iron versus all the skills that she is lacking that Courtney has I was almost embarrassed for her level of delusion. If she actually thinks that she has more skills than Courtney. Neither is the complete package so them being ranked the same makes the most sense to me. 

Edited January 5, 2020 by biakbiak

[luvthepros]

1 hour ago, spunky said:

Clearly Kate could burn the boat down with Simone on it and you as well as other people would be okay with it, because Kate does no wrong. I’m so over people worshipping the ground a bully walks on, while continuing to drag the other person while they’re down. No wonder Kate saw it fit to refer to Simone as a puppy, because she knows her fans see nothing wrong with her behavior. Hopefully next season her entire team makes her life hell.

I must have missed that one. What was the circumstance that Kate referred to Simone a puppy?