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45 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

One part of the genetic component of Marshall's illness that might bring some comfort is that it would partly explain why Curtis' brother got paranoid and violent with Shawn/Sean when they were serving overseas.    

I guess, but Tommy also found out that Shawn had slept with Jordan and was TJ's father. I don't think he needs to be schizophrenic to behave that way.

26 minutes ago, Blackie said:

I was thinking the same thing, didn't someone post that she was put on contract. Were they planning a big storyline for her ? So sad .

Well they've hinted that Esme is her daughter and I'm pretty sure they're having their first scenes together on Monday.

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tveyeonyou

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2 hours ago, Daisy said:

No. but Trina is the perfect age for it to present itself and they've been hinting that Trina is Curtis's for some reason

Those idiot writers better not even think of sacrificing Trina and saying schizophrenia made her do it so they can retcon/redeem Esme because not only will I break up with TFGH for good but I'll cut a bitch (in my mind, not for real obviously, just being super clear after getting booted from Twitter lol )

Sorry for putting that out there but they're less likely to do that since I put it out there, that's how my life goes.

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30 minutes ago, tveyeonyou said:

Those idiot writers better not even think of sacrificing Trina and saying schizophrenia made her do it so they can retcon/redeem Esme because not only will I break up with TFGH for good but I'll cut a bitch (in my mind, not for real obviously, just being super clear after getting booted from Twitter lol )

Sorry for putting that out there but they're less likely to do that since I put it out there, that's how my life goes.

I would think it would be hard to retcon since they showed Esme setting up the camera, etc., but this is GH so who knows. What they might do is have Portia start to wonder if it was possible and that distrust causes a wedge between Portia and Trina. Especially since she will realize Portia has lied about who her father is all her life. 

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Auntie Velvet

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1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

I guess, but Tommy also found out that Shawn had slept with Jordan and was TJ's father. I don't think he needs to be schizophrenic to behave that way.

I was going to do a whole big disclaimer about that, LOL. But the gist is that Shawn always maintained that Tommy was exceptionally crazed.

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4 hours ago, Daisy said:

No. but Trina is the perfect age for it to present itself and they've been hinting that Trina is Curtis's for some reason

Ah, so that’s why Portia was acting so squirrelly. I was thinking she either thought she was pregnant or thinking what could happen if she became pregnant. I forgot about the possibility of Trina being Curtis’ daughter

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methodwriter85

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1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

So they're really going with this Trina is Curtis's kid storyline.  Bleh.  And I still couldn't care less about Marshall. 

I like Taggert. I always have. I don't get why they're screwing him over like this. It reminds me of how they retconned Lani's maternity AND paternity just to give Jackee a storyline on Days of Our Lives, but I'm more annoyed here because Trina and Taggert have a really sweet relationship.

So like is Esme going to fall for Nikolas for real? Nothing screams Daddy issues more than being in love with a guy twice your age.

Spencer and Cameron's cousin frenemies vibe continues to be my favorite part of the show.  I hope they're buddies in real life.

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8 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

So like is Esme going to fall for Nikolas for real? Nothing screams Daddy issues more than being in love with a guy twice your age.

I don't recall many comments from folks distressing about Morgan/Ava and Morgan having mommy issues.  IMO, the actors playing Esme/Nik (especially w/o the goatee) seem more realistic as a couple than Ava/Nik.  It's soapy (Spencer noshing on a sandwich while his dad and gf are banging in the next room) and as an added bonus - doesn't involve any Corinthos yet.  I do agree though that Serial Killer Ryan manipulating Esme does make it seem ickier than Morgan/Ava.

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It took me a while to realize that KM should have been KW. I kept wondering what was so awful in Kelly Monaco’s personal life and how Esme could possibly be Sam’s daughter lol! That said, it’s absolutely tragic that Kristina and Jack lost their son. I wouldn’t be surprised if she takes some time off and the show writes her out for a few episodes, or even recasts temporarily. My heart goes out to her. 💔

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21 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

It took me a while to realize that KM should have been KW. I kept wondering what was so awful in Kelly Monaco’s personal life and how Esme could possibly be Sam’s daughter lol! That said, it’s absolutely tragic that Kristina and Jack lost their son. I wouldn’t be surprised if she takes some time off and the show writes her out for a few episodes, or even recasts temporarily. My heart goes out to her. 💔

Her maiden name began with an M, so you weren't completely wrong.  She started the show as Kristina Malandro.

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1 hour ago, KayVeeTeeVee said:

Her maiden name began with an M, so you weren't completely wrong.  She started the show as Kristina Malandro.

I don't know what her maiden name is but Randy Malandro was the name of her first husband.  And I saw her maiden name at some point and feel like it started with a C or D, but I don't remember it.

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13 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

I like Taggert. I always have. I don't get why they're screwing him over like this. It reminds me of how they retconned Lani's maternity AND paternity just to give Jackee a storyline on Days of Our Lives, but I'm more annoyed here because Trina and Taggert have a really sweet relationship.

It isn't even soapy in a good way.  Taggert is the only person in this quad with Jordan, Portia and Curtis that I care about. 

I'm glad that GH has finally created another multi-generational family of color but annoyed at its cost. 

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Daisy

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2 hours ago, tessaray said:

It isn't even soapy in a good way.  Taggert is the only person in this quad with Jordan, Portia and Curtis that I care about. 

because it's dumb. 
when Portia/Trina came around and Curtis saw them, first thing Curtis was like is "is this my daughter?" Portia says no. why lie? the y'all get together, and I think it came up again and Portia is like no. but then they get all trapped in a cellar and all of a sudden "TRINA IS CURTIS'S DAUGHTER, YO."

like why?i mean again. i'm all for a medical storyline, so if the only reason they are doing this is to give Trina schizophrenia (as in, she has it. i want symptoms, episodes, she lives with this for the rest of her life, it's always going to be a conversation she has with partners, if she has kids this is now something of significant concern, ala: Robin, her HIV/Patrick + Emma being conceived & born) then you know what, I can swallow my spit and deal with it because i think the show needs more stuff like this.

but it won't. this is basically just the fuel to finally push this dumb retcon and it will be ignored just like it's ignored that carly's butt had a special needs baby 

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YaddaYadda

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1 hour ago, Daisy said:

when Portia/Trina came around and Curtis saw them, first thing Curtis was like is "is this my daughter?" Portia says no. why lie? the y'all get together, and I think it came up again and Portia is like no. but then they get all trapped in a cellar and all of a sudden "TRINA IS CURTIS'S DAUGHTER, YO."

It wasn't all of a sudden, though. Before Portia came on the show, they said that Stella had more family in PC through that 23 and Me style DNA test that she did. 

Trina herself mentioned that she had more family in PC because of that DNA test. 

This thing has been dragging for like 3 years now.

Given that the show had literally 5 AA actors/characters, the algebra wasn't exactly difficult on this one.  

Why Portia lied is up for debate, I guess. But she came, she found out that Curtis was married to Jordan, so maybe that's the reason she didn't say anything. I think the worst part is that she passed off Trina as Taggert's daughter, which is an incredibly cruel thing to do, and maybe that's the other reason she didn't say anything about Trina's paternity, so that she wouldn't take her away from him or whatever. Unless she told Taggert and he stupidly didn't connect the dots to Curtis and the affair, then Portia has blown up several lives with her lies. 

But let's see how "I hate that you lied to me, I can't trust you and I want a divorce so that I can be with someone else" Curtis reacts to this one.

I'm genuinely just looking for this to blow up in his self-righteous face.

And yes, I know there will be collateral damage, including Portia herself.

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20 minutes ago, Katy M said:
59 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

We have Willow's sekrit parentage on deck; why do we need Trina's warming up?

It's so lazy and stupid. 

Not to mention Esme.

Ugh, I forgot about Esmé. Three is way too many "who are my real parents?" stories. I suppose Ryan is the only person who knows who her bio mom is? We've speculated it's Felicia, ugh. She doesn't deserve that.

18 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

And yes, I know there will be collateral damage, including Portia herself.

No sympathy for Portia (not saying you have any, either). You lie about something as big as this and you deserve some damage, IMO.

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Count me among those who are seeing no chemistry between Britt and New Guy. I was looking at him yesterday and thinking he would have made a perfect recast Lucky, as someone mentioned before. His features are similar enough, and Laura deserves an onscreen kid.

I would also have accepted a recast Jason— one who emerged from the rubble as his former Q self and no memory of his Morgan years. Imagine Carly’s angst if he gravitated back toward Britt, but had no feelings for Carly whatsoever.

But instead, we get Rocky the Flying Squirrel. 

23 hours ago, Daisy said:

I don't really see how Piph can be a doctor. such a waste when they can make her a Nurse Practitioner. 

Nurse Practitioner would have been a perfect goal for someone who was once so proud of her career. But now it’s like she settled, somehow, by becoming “just” a nurse instead of getting an MD. This part of the story continues to irritate me.

22 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I think he's doing that to ask her to marry him again, as a grand gesture. 

And so they can stage a big wedding, where the truth about Esme will inevitably come out.

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

This thing has been dragging for like 3 years now.

It’s sad how this sentence applies to nearly every story on this show.

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27 minutes ago, 30 Helens said:

I was looking at him [Josh Kelly/Cody] yesterday and thinking he would have made a perfect recast Lucky, as someone mentioned before. His features are similar enough, and Laura deserves an onscreen kid.

I would also have accepted a recast Jason— one who emerged from the rubble as his former Q self and no memory of his Morgan years. Imagine Carly’s angst if he gravitated back toward Britt, but had no feelings for Carly whatsoever.

But instead, we get Rocky the Flying Squirrel.

I still wish they had brought in Mark Lawson as Lucky instead of poor, doomed Dustin.

As for Josh Kelly, given the hints he had ties to Britt and Dante, I personally was speccing he was going to be a WSB agent involved in Britt's secret about her time on the run with Faison and Dante's off-screen time with the agency.  But oh well.

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YaddaYadda

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10 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

As for Josh Kelly, given the hints he had ties to Britt and Dante, I personally was speccing he was going to be a WSB agent involved in Britt's secret about her time on the run with Faison and Dante's off-screen time with the agency.  But oh well.

Would have been a ton more interesting than this thing they're doing with him.

I'm constantly amazed that viewers can come up with stuff that makes more sense than the writers.

The wrong people are getting paid to do the job.

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46 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Would have been a ton more interesting than this thing they're doing with him.

I'm constantly amazed that viewers can come up with stuff that makes more sense than the writers.

The wrong people are getting paid to do the job.

maybe we can call Frank and get a job.

I will say in regards to the whole 3 secret kids thing (and the Lani thing on DOOL). it's sheer lazy.  Like i said when it came out Felicia is probably Esme's mom  - they didn't have to go there. It's OKAY to have new people on the show NOT linked to current people on the show.

Willow - can make sense because apparently that was supposed to come out ages ago but they postoned it for stuff (according to the Harmony actress). 

Trina - like i said [i don't buy it] if they KNEW they wanted to do a mental health issue for Trina and they always knew it was heading this way -minus Portia actually lying when she didn't have to - i could buy it. (and i'm only buying it because i'm eating brownies LOL yay for sugar). 


Esme should not be Felicia's kid. it's just dumbo. there's no reason for it at all. just be.... a kid who lost their parents and there is no super seecret actual mom that woman died in the car. 

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CharethCutestory

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2 hours ago, Daisy said:

Esme should not be Felicia's kid. it's just dumbo. there's no reason for it at all. just be.... a kid who lost their parents and there is no super seecret actual mom that woman died in the car. 

If they're going to twist up history to make that happen, I hope they at least make her Felicia and Mac's child together. Giving Felicia a child with Ryan is too gross. Retcon Ryan stealing an embryo they made years ago but thought wasn't viable. 

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6 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

But let's see how "I hate that you lied to me, I can't trust you and I want a divorce so that I can be with someone else" Curtis reacts to this one.

I'm genuinely just looking for this to blow up in his self-righteous face.

That would be awesome to see it blow up in his judgey face.  But it won't happen because the current Jordan is not a good actress so any angst would be solely Curtis' and quickly go poof.

6 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Morgan was a man and Ava is a woman.  Nik/Esmé is the opposite in terms of gender, so consequently the dynamics of their relationship will feel more disturbing to many.

There is also the problem that Esme is Ryan's child and had a disturbed childhood so she is a vulnerable person and thus more icky from an older man. Morgan's biggest problem was having Sonny and Carly for parents. (I'm not forgetting the BPAD.)

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5 hours ago, Katy M said:

I'm a bit behind, but I don't understand how you can parachute into what looks like inside a building.  From where did he parachute?  As he already inside?  If he was in a plane, I don't think you can be that precise in landing.  

It’s one more example of the writers expecting us to suspend our brains, rational thinking and   Intelligence so that we’ll continue to watch this dreck until it’s finally put out of it’s (and our) misery.

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Cheyanne11

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6 hours ago, Katy M said:

I'm a bit behind, but I don't understand how you can parachute into what looks like inside a building. 

It's supposed to be a rooftop pool. 

Another point of ridiculousness is that Carly apparently had no clue about this stunt before it happened.  So did Spinelli just not get permission for this huge liability stunt from the owners of the venue?  And Carly, idiot that she is, laughed it off.  Seriously, I wish the storyline was Britt suing the two of them into next year.  That would be more compelling than whatever this bullshit is.

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ByaNose

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Ryan being happy that his psycho daughter had sex with Nicholas is gross and kind of funny. I guess if Esme is Felicia daughter it was when she was off screen for years, right? I guess she could have been in a coma and didn’t know just like Nina?! The whole thing sounds dumb but I like that they want to give Kristina Wagner a storyline (although, her voice has always annoyed me) and, she gets to work more with Jon Lindstrom but overall it’s pretty dumb if it is indeed what’s going on. 

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Katy M

Katy M

25 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

I guess if Esme is Felicia daughter it was when she was off screen for years, right? I guess she could have been in a coma and didn’t know just like Nina?!

I'm thinking it would have been more like a Charlotte situation where she just had an egg harvested. Although, I don't know how that would have been done without her knowledge, either.

ffwbe

ffwbe

On 6/12/2022 at 11:25 AM, Katy M said:

I'm a bit behind, but I don't understand how you can parachute into what looks like inside a building.  From where did he parachute?  As he already inside?  If he was in a plane, I don't think you can be that precise in landing.  

I assume it’s supposed to be a rooftop pool, though having one of those in upstate NY is laughable. However, what amateur skydiver is making that precise a landing not only on the rooftop but in the midst of a crowd of people? That’s an insane liability and a lot worse could have happened than Britt getting knocked into the pool 

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Daisy

Fake Michael. yay. 

Carly bought Aurora stock. so please let her get busted on insider trading. honestly. please let this blow up in her face and she loses everything.

 What's Felicia's history w/Ryan?
Oh thanks show. lol

9 minutes ago, Fellaway said:

I have no clue about financial stuff, sadly, but isn't Carly buying stock based on info she had about a possible merger of ELQ and Aurora the definition of insider trading? 

100%. And the fact that Michael and Drew didn't tell her that to start makes me wonder how on earth their company is even doing as well as it is. Michael's biggest concern that she could lose money as if he isn't aware that this isn't insider trading. 

And now you are bribing Lucy to vote for them with the same info. all these dipsticks are so dumb. 

why the hell was the custody hearing front page news?

Oh Carly, shut up.

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ffwbe

ffwbe

1 hour ago, Fellaway said:

I have no clue about financial stuff, sadly, but isn't Carly buying stock based on info she had about a possible merger of ELQ and Aurora the definition of insider trading? 

It’s definitely insider trading and also sound like they’re artificially inflating the stock price to make the company look more sound for the merger 

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