Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[GHScorpiosRule]

Rolling my eyes at the previews of Cujo asking or telling Willow "not to do this" or whatever she said because Willow is now in control. We all know had there not been that proxy, Cujo would be snarling in Willow's face and telling her that she wouldn't let Willow, the lying, ungrateful, and cheating liar she is, anywhere near her precious sainted son.

So typical. For as long as it lasts, I'm cheering for Willow, because I hate Cujo that much. It won't last because we know Diane will find a loophole that will state someone who has cuckolded her husband has forfeited her rights to have any say. Even though, as his wife, she's still his next of kin.

Oh please with Joss acting like she's a cop or detective, questioning Felicia. I wish Felicia had told her to just go to the cops because she already told them everything. Mini Cujo acting like Felicia was hiding something or needed to think harder made me want to punch her in the face. 

Not that I care, but I found it odd that Brennan told Joss he found out whatever regarding "Dex Heller" as if he was some stranger. I'm pretty sure MiniCujo knew his last name was Heller. It's up there with Portia calling Elizabeth "Nurse Baldwin" at the hospital or when talking about Elizabeth to others in the hospital. It's irksome.

[nilyank]

14 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Not sure I like how Brennan is "leaving Breadcrumbs" for Joss. Cyrus is a very dangerous man and Joss is a college student. Seems to me the play would have been to tip Jaysus off and let him off Cyrus. Much more efficient, IMO, and Carly isn't going to be thrilled if/when she learns Jack put Joss in harm's way.

 

I said it weeks ago that I think Jack wants to recruit Joss to the WSB and right now is going to observe how Joss will investigate Dex's murder.

Sure she is acting like Girl Detective but she was also the one along with Trina who were able to figure out that Esme bought the burner phone from the bartender and framed Trina for the video. So this would not be the first time that she plays detective.

[YaddaYadda]

Joss as WSB will be more insufferable than her usual insufferable self.

[rur]

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Great that he's doing so well. Does he still go commando?

That's not a subject I've broached with him. He was single then, but married now. I imagine his wife may have had some input into his use of undergarments.

Edited January 11 by rur

[Sake614]

14 hours ago, ciarra said:

And there's Sonny, after firebombageddon!, with a tiny smudge of ashes on his shirt.

Well Jason wouldn’t let him in the penthouse to save Michael, so he wouldn’t be covered in ash. But  neither was Jason, and he went in after SLS!

[KerleyQ]

1 hour ago, nilyank said:

I said it weeks ago that I think Jack wants to recruit Joss to the WSB and right now is going to observe how Joss will investigate Dex's murder.

I was thinking this, too, he's recruiting her. I think that was the "project" he was referring to, and he's clearly watching her to see how she's doing. I'm guessing that this will be the thing that causes drama in the Carly/Jack relationship. Joss will end up getting in over her head, and Jack will save her life. That part will push Carly fully into a relationship with him.  But, down the line, she'll find out that he was feeding Joss those breadcrumbs to see if she had what it takes to work for the WSB, and that will be their first big fight and test of the relationship. Whether they get past that will depend on if working for the WSB is something Joss actually wants to do, or if she also gets mad at Brennan over it all. If Joss wants to do it, she'll probably keep urging her mother to forgive him, with speeches about how she's an adult who made her own choices and gets to pick her own career. Since Joss seems to actually like Jack, I'm guessing she'll push for Carly to get over it. 

It's completely ludicrous that a judge would grant an emergency order to take kids away from their mother while their father is incapacitated, unless their mother is the one who put him in the hospital, or has done something equally bad. Having one of the kids around her affair partner is not even remotely enough, unless that affair partner was a risk to the kids. 

Also ridiculous that nobody, including anyone at the hospital, thought to consider that Willow is the one who makes decisions for Michael, seeing as how they're still legally married. None of them would even need to know about Michael assigning that task to her, since she's still legally his wife. Unless he had signed something choosing someone else, his wife would be calling the shots. Now that would be something for Diane to go to court to get an emergency order about - showing that he'd filed for divorce after her cheating and requesting that someone else (Carly, Sonny, Jason) be put in charge of his medical decisions. Would have made way more sense than the custody emergency order. 

But, really, who needs healthcare proxies and all that when you've got Portia ready to wander around telling anyone anything?  Seems like the co-chief needs a refresher in patient privacy. I'm pretty sure there's not a line in the HIPAA law saying "unless the doctor knows the patient and wants to call her husband and tell him what's going on."  

Not that Portia is the only one guilty of not following HIPAA.  The only person anyone at GH has refused to give any information to is Drew. Everyone else has been getting any information they want. Yes, they're his family, but unless he's signed paperwork on file with the hospital saying it's OK to discuss his condition with them, it's still not OK.  

Instead of Portia calling Curtis to tell him what's going on, we should have seen her trying to reach Willow (or asking someone else to call her), since she's Michael's next of kin.  Carly and Joss being so specific that Willow was banging Drew while Michael burned would have made more sense if someone at GH said they were trying to reach Willow, but she wasn't answering.  (Yes, I know that they are technically right that they were having sex at the same time, but how would they know that? It's kind of weird how they're fixated on that image instead of just saying "while you were off in D.C. with your boyfriend.") 

And, Drew, yes, everything you're saying to Carly is true, but time and place, dude. Not to mention, as the man who helped break up Michael's marriage, you're pretty far down on the list of people who gets to deliver that message. And, yes, you went to prison for Carly, but that's all on you. You chose to throw yourself on your sword for her. It was stupid, but it was your choice. 

Between Drew talking about Carly putting Michael in Sonny's orbit and Willow reminding Joss of her own cheating, I feel like the writers knew what viewers would be thinking and decided to bring those things up, while also being able to essentially dismiss them by having Drew look like an ass for doing it and having Joss bat away the cheating thing with "I wasn't married with kids."  

[rur]

double post

Edited January 11 by rur

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, KerleyQ said:

And, Drew, yes, everything you're saying to Carly is true, but time and place, dude. Not to mention, as the man who helped break up Michael's marriage, you're pretty far down on the list of people who gets to deliver that message. And, yes, you went to prison for Carly, but that's all on you. You chose to throw yourself on your sword for her. It was stupid, but it was your choice. 

I laughed that Drew thought he'd be welcome at the hospital, seeing as how everyone but Willow hates him right now. And then he adds to the tone-deafness by deciding it was the time to berate Carly's parenting. He's one to talk. He's been a very absent father to Scout for most of her life. He willingly put Carly's kids above her when he went to prison. I hope Scout rakes Drew over the coals for that when she's older.

Edited January 11 by dubbel zout

[Tenshinhan]

I've been hoping that Emma will turn out to be some sort of criminal, so if Joss does end up joining the WSB then that would be some interesting conflict between the characters.

13 hours ago, rur said:

*FWIW -- Your mothers were right: The last thing my brother remembers was being in the emergency room -- before being given painkillers -- when they were cutting off his clothes. He heard the nurse say, "Oh -- he isn't wearing any underwear."

No underwear is a lot better than dirty underwear, imo.

[Asp Burger]

Daytime doesn't know how to daytime anymore. As late as the 2000s (the "Salem serial killer" etc. ), it still did. Now it stays down on the ground, covering itself to ward off blows. For example, in 2022, when Carly was holding back the information that Nina was Willow's biological mother, and in an unrelated story was guilty of insider trading, it should have been huge. If I had had anything to do with it, I'd have promoted the hell out of that, thrown as much at it as I could get out of the network, made it a big umbrella story called "The Fall of Carly Corinthos." (Or whatever Carly's preferred last name was at the time.) Constant commercials with clips of the Laura Wright version of Carly at her worst over the years: slapping people, screaming at people, being snide. Dramatic narration and music. The story you never thought you would see! Have her slowly lose more and more over about a year, even her good relationships with her kids, and have to climb back equally slowly.

I'll bet that would have given GH its highest ratings in at least a decade. Even the enraged would have been engaged. (That sounds like "Johnnie Cochran, soap journalist," doesn't it?) Carly fans might have been scratching their heads—"We're supposed to tune in to see her 'fall'? Isn't she the heroine who's always justified?"—but lapsed viewers would remember the character and be intrigued. Even people who never watched soaps would be aware that something called "The Fall of Carly Corinthos" was going on. 

[tessaray]

CBS has smartly been promoting their new soap (slightly more than 6 weeks away) in primetime. I think ABC has tried in the past but it's almost always been tied to big disasters that they can't afford to do anymore.  Which is a lose/lose for us. 

The current showrunners and writers are so bad at pacing that more ads would be money wasted. No sense in bringing new and lapsed viewers in just to lose them a few weeks later. 

[Suicidy]

On 1/9/2025 at 12:14 PM, Desperado said:

I thought the same thing! Also wondered if it was a show choice or an actor choice, but I’m weird that way.

The writers seem to have forgotten that Willow served Michael first.

So Willow is the new Nina. This wrath would be more interesting to me if I hadn’t known Michael sex cheated on his wife first, after being too much of a baby to confront his wife kiss cheating.

Loved Curtis speaking truth to Drew. 👏🏻👏🏻 

True, but Carly and Joss are such awful bitches that I’m actually rooting for Drillow.  Which makes me hate writers even more.  Which is quite an accomplishment at this point.

On 1/10/2025 at 7:45 AM, JMO said:

And Mac, the chief of the two detectives.

Don’t forget, they have an unformed cop who sits around the station answering the phones and make coffee.  Andy Taylor and Barney Fife would be a more effective law enforcement team than the PCPD.

Edited January 13 by Suicidy

[Suicidy]

On 1/10/2025 at 12:10 PM, Bringonthedrama said:

The one thing that I thought sounded like absolute truth from Joss today was her line that Michael saved you from a life without Wiley.  The whole Michael-Willow relationship was about that kid.

The one thing that I thought sounded like absolute truth from Drew today was his line to Carly about her history with AJ and Sonny - that she placed Michael in Sonny's dangerous life for her own wants/needs, not for Michael's sake.

There aren't enough eye rolls for Willow literally running into Drew's arms crying for help that "they took my kids!"

KSt, LH and MW all look really beautiful in this episode. Good to see Lucy after LH's terrible loss. 

I guess Isaiah and Lucas save Michael's life but he's in an indefinite coma between the burns and the digitalis injection?

The look on Carly's face was pretty funny when Willow declared herself Michael's wife and decision maker regarding his care. (Because of Drew's advice.)

Only Sonny would declare doing right/we've raised great kids when one of them is dead from a car bomb and the eldest is critically injured for a second time. In a game of least amount of self-awareness between Sonny, Carly, and Drew, I honestly don't know who wins. 

 

It makes me wonder that maybe AJ would have gotten his shit together if he didn’t hav ego deal with Carly, Mooby, and his hitman brother.  Since they tend to destroy a lot of people around them, yet are somehow the heroes of the show.

On 1/10/2025 at 12:25 PM, Desperado said:

Yes.

That hospital has zero security.  

[Suicidy]

On 1/10/2025 at 8:50 PM, yowsah1 said:

Just saw Wednesday's episode and am I to understand that Drillow's f**king was so hot it caused Michael to burst into flames?  ;)

If their sex scene was porn, I would put it on tv when I want to fall asleep quickly.

[Winston Wolfe]

Multiple news outlets have reported that Leslie Charelson has passed away at age 79. True Soap Royalty who left us with a ton of great memories. Sleep well, Queen.

Edited Sunday at 10:49 AM by Winston Wolfe

[GHScorpiosRule]

26 minutes ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Multiple news outlets have reported that Leslie Charelson has passed away at age 79. True Soap Royalty who left us with a ton of great memories. May She Rest in Peace.

It’s being discussed in the media thread.

[statsgirl]

I don't understand why Brennan, who is presented as a smart man, would want to recruit Joss for the WSB. She's not trained, she's impulsive, headstrong, and she hasn't finished her B.A. (a requirement for the FBI). I can understand if he was trying to recruit Lucky who has experience and a cool head, or Jason but Joss is going to be a liability.

Yes, I know that it's in the same category as Michael Corinthos, Super CEO, but it just doesn't make sense.

[nilyank]

3 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I don't understand why Brennan, who is presented as a smart man, would want to recruit Joss for the WSB. She's not trained, she's impulsive, headstrong, and she hasn't finished her B.A. (a requirement for the FBI). I can understand if he was trying to recruit Lucky who has experience and a cool head, or Jason but Joss is going to be a liability.

 

She is a senior in college and I can understand trying to recruit her straight out of college and then having her spend the next year or so in training for the WSB. Joss would be a different recruit that someone like Lucky who have previous experience in law enforcement/working with the WSB or Jason who is someone Jack has tried to recruit for his unique skills set.

I am just thinking Joss would be recruited the way the character Sydney was on tv show Alias. Pretty girl out of college goes to work for a murky governmental agency and gets to wear a bunch of cool outfits as she does spy stuff.

 

Edited January 13 by nilyank

[ljr]

I just saw on Facebook Leslie Charleson has passed away

[DanaK]

47 minutes ago, ljr said:

I just saw on Facebook Leslie Charleson has passed away

Yep, we’re talking about it in the Media thread if you want to join in

[YaddaYadda]

9 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I don't understand why Brennan, who is presented as a smart man, would want to recruit Joss for the WSB.

Because she's a Carly. She's not trained? Big deal! She's a Carly!!! She's impulsive? Nothing to fret about, she's a Carly!

Carlys are winners! They are strong and capable and oh so brave the gaslighting says.

Fight your instincts! Be a sheep and fall in line.

This show is dumb. 

[Desperado]

10 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I don't understand why Brennan, who is presented as a smart man, would want to recruit Joss for the WSB. She's not trained, she's impulsive, headstrong, and she hasn't finished her B.A. (a requirement for the FBI). I can understand if he was trying to recruit Lucky who has experience and a cool head, or Jason but Joss is going to be a liability.

Yes, I know that it's in the same category as Michael Corinthos, Super CEO, but it just doesn't make sense.

I saw it as him wanting to hire her for shady honey trap work. In my head, that’s why Anna went over the top trying to stop him from recruiting Emma.

I really hope they stick to a mentor role for Brennan though and not a sex/love interest. I’ve had enough of the young woman/sleazy much older man scenario.

Edited January 13 by Desperado

[Melgaypet]

Joss playing Girl Detective is irritating because everything Joss does is irritating, but I do have to say that teen or young adult characters solving a mystery is a soap staple.

Brennan grooming Joss to be WSB is a new wrinkle and could have been interesting, in theory. An Alias-type story, like @nilyank mentioned. But then, I think of Joss, of all people, being the one to bring down the shadier elements of the WSB and I die a little inside.

I wonder if the Emma angle is being dropped. Anna warned Brennan off, but Emma is an adult, she can join the WSB if she wants to. That could be some organic family conflict where no one has to be the villain - Anna (and Patrick and Robin and Robert wherever he is) would have good reason to not want her in such a dangerous line of work, but that would look quite hypocritical and insulting to Emma.

[MarciNJ]

4 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Carlys are winners! They are strong and capable and oh so brave the gaslighting says.

don't forget that they lovewiththeirwholeheart.  Saints, I tell you...

[mostlylurking]

Drew shouldn’t be at the hospital and anyone with two brain cells would know this, but I kind of loved seeing a little fire in Willow standing up to Carly and Sonny.  And Portia and Isiah standing there uncomfortably while all these idiots were airing their dirty laundry was hilarious.

[Suicidy]

17 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Multiple news outlets have reported that Leslie Charelson has passed away at age 79. True Soap Royalty who left us with a ton of great memories. May She Rest in Peace.

I just saw that myself.  I was afraid that’s where things were headed.  Let’s hope they do a better tribute for her than they did Stuart Damon.

 

RIP Leslie.

[DanaK]

Tracy’s worry about Monica’s health in today’s episode were a little too foretelling since the actress only died on Sunday

[dubbel zout]

4 hours ago, Melgaypet said:

Joss playing Girl Detective is irritating because everything Joss does is irritating, but I do have to say that teen or young adult characters solving a mystery is a soap staple.

True, but the stakes are usually much lower than trying to find out who killed someone's boyfriend, or if the stakes do become higher, it's because the kids stumbled into them. Here, Joss might as well be on the PCPD.

Joss playing Girl Detective is also annoying because she's acting as if she's the only one who can solve things. Her questions are exactly what the PCPD asked everyone. Especially from a WSB test-run point of view, she's not showing incredible investigative skills.

Edited January 13 by dubbel zout

[DanaK]

31 minutes ago, Suicidy said:

I just saw that myself.  I was afraid that’s where things were headed.  Let’s hope they do a better tribute for her than they did Stuart Damon.

 

RIP Leslie.

I think they will since she was still part of the cast and the character hadn’t been dead for years

[Bringonthedrama]

6 minutes ago, Suicidy said:

RIP Leslie.

It was eerie that today's episode felt like a set-up/lead-in for Monica's death when Tracy said after Monica's injury and health issues, now hearing the news about Drew's betrayal and Michael's severe injuries, she won't leave her room.

Tracy saying to Cody "Quartermaines stick together" and JE had tears in her eyes, I assume she knew at that time that LC was very ill and would not be returning. In fact, I got the impression JE was trying to hold back tears in multiple scenes as she talked about Monica.

 The two gross moments though were a) Tracy talking to Cody like Willow and her attorney are kidnappers who want to steal the children from the house and b) Tracy and Stella's sexist "women/mothers are natural with babies but the daddies have to be taught how to hold babies."

For once, someone deserved Carly screaming in their face. Drew interjecting into the conversation/speaking for Willow/trying to control and manipulate Willow in front of Carly was creepy as hell. Glad that Willow got a win but her hugging Drew, thanking him profusely and leaving with him before she finishes the conversation with Portia and Isaiah? Ick. Ewww. Yuck.  I empathized with Nina's worried/dismayed look. Willow should be thanking her mother. And Isaiah for saving Michael once she finds out what happened. 

Good for Laura for calling her daughter out on getting in over her head. NuLulu, you know she's serious when she calls you "Lesley Lu" twice. Of course Dante was right that the sniper followed you.

Preview: So now college student Joss is going to cousin Lucky for info on Cyrus? Stop it, Show. 

[DanaK]

The way Nina has been looking at Drew and Willow suggests she’s starting to get jealous of the two being together. And her confab with Sonny suggested she preferred diplomacy over using the health proxy to get Willow’s kids back. So I guess she didn’t really like Drew suggesting to Willow to use the health proxy as leverage

[Fellaway]

So Sonny comes back from a conversation with Nina, now agreeing to let Willow have the kids back, and Willow thanks... Drew.

She really is too stupid to live.

And how eerie was the conversation today about Monica? Uncanny timing.

[DanaK]

I knew Cody was going to do a betting scheme once he heard Kai saying he didn’t think the win would be overwhelming by the team 

[sacrebleu]

29 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

 

Joss playing Girl Detective is also annoying because she's acting as if she's the only one who can solve things. Her questions are exactly what the PCPD asked everyone. Especially from a WSB test-run point of view, she's not showing incredible investigative skills.

This reminds me of her being insistent that she could find a cure for Oscar, because she's, like, really good at finding stuff online 

[Daisy]

Sometimes. i really have to wonder about this show. I really do. 
Carly and Sonny are mad at Willow because Willow is all "I wanna have my legal rights and no i don't want you to see them." (because you took my kids). 

Carly is all "the kids grow up and has to deal with the decisions you made and how are Amelila and Wiley going to feel that you wouldn't let us see their father?"

and my brain exploded. because REALLY. CARLY?  "Rule for Thee and Rule for Me" runs STRONG in that one

Also if the situation was reversed Michael  WOULD do this in a Million years. Remember when Willow had cancer and Michael was all "no Nina can't see Willow, " and willow is like "yeah whatever Michael wants." and then Michael went "oh yeah Mom, i'd totally hide the fact that Nina was Willow's mom she didnt; need to know that."

 

SHUT. UP. 

[Suicidy]

8 hours ago, Desperado said:

I saw it as him wanting to hire her for shady honey trap work. In my head, that’s why Anna went over the top trying to stop him from recruiting Emma.

I really hope they stick to a mentor role for Brennan though and not a sex/love interest. I’ve had enough of the young woman/sleazy much older man scenario.

I disagree.  It would be totally worth it to have Joss get together with Brennan, just for the reaction from Carly when she finds out.  Preferably walking in in them during a romantic interlude.

THAT would be comedy gold.

Edit:  On further reflection, Sonny should also be present when Carly catches them.  The shock causes a coronary that finishes him off.

Edited January 13 by Suicidy

[dubbel zout]

I wish the show had had Willow do more than say, "I'm Michael's next of kin; his medical decisions are mine to make." Instead Drew takes the lead. 

Carly's "If the situation were reversed, Michael would never to do this to you!" was laughable. For one thing, Willow basically has no family except Michael's, so there's no one to be in conflict with. But we all know Carly would insist that Michael have sole emergency custody faster than Diane could file the papers.

How is Willow having custody of her own children "stealing" them? I know children are possessions to Sonny and the Carlys, but if they didn't instantly assume the worst and go on the most aggressive defense, Willow wouldn't feel she had to play hardball.

29 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Tracy and Stella's sexist "women/mothers are natural with babies but the daddies have to be taught how to hold babies."

I'm surprised we didn't also get a comment about how all women have to be mothers to be complete.

18 minutes ago, DanaK said:

I knew Cody was going to do a betting scheme once he heard Kai saying he didn’t think the win would be overwhelming by the team

A "sure thing" never is, so how long before he's back under Selina's thumb? Oh, Cody.

[Suicidy]

53 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

It was eerie that today's episode felt like a set-up/lead-in for Monica's death when Tracy said after Monica's injury and health issues, now hearing the news about Drew's betrayal and Michael's severe injuries, she won't leave her room.

Tracy saying to Cody "Quartermaines stick together" and JE had tears in her eyes, I assume she knew at that time that LC was very ill and would not be returning. In fact, I got the impression JE was trying to hold back tears in multiple scenes as she talked about Monica.

 The two gross moments though were a) Tracy talking to Cody like Willow and her attorney are kidnappers who want to steal the children from the house and b) Tracy and Stella's sexist "women/mothers are natural with babies but the daddies have to be taught how to hold babies."

For once, someone deserved Carly screaming in their face. Drew interjecting into the conversation/speaking for Willow/trying to control and manipulate Willow in front of Carly was creepy as hell. Glad that Willow got a win but her hugging Drew, thanking him profusely and leaving with him before she finishes the conversation with Portia and Isaiah? Ick. Ewww. Yuck.  I empathized with Nina's worried/dismayed look. Willow should be thanking her mother. And Isaiah for saving Michael once she finds out what happened. 

Good for Laura for calling her daughter out on getting in over her head. NuLulu, you know she's serious when she calls you "Lesley Lu" twice. Of course Dante was right that the sniper followed you.

Preview: So now college student Joss is going to cousin Lucky for info on Cyrus? Stop it, Show. 

If Joss had two brain cells to rub together she would go to Jordan, who was undercover in Cyrus’ criminal organization when she was DEA. 

[DanaK]

Sonny definitely still has a soft spot for Nina. It’s interesting that Carly straight up told Willow, in front of Drew, that Drew wants Willow to depend only on him

[FilmTVGeek80]

16 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

 

I wish the show had had Willow do more than say, "I'm Michael's next of kin; his medical decisions are mine to make." Instead Drew takes the lead. 

Carly's "If the situation were reversed, Michael would never to do this to you!" was laughable. For one thing, Willow basically has no family except Michael's, so there's no one to be in conflict with. But we all know Carly would insist that Michael have sole emergency custody faster than Diane could file the papers.

How is Willow having custody of her own children "stealing" them? I know children are possessions to Sonny and the Carlys, but if they didn't instantly assume the worst and go on the most aggressive defense, Willow wouldn't feel she had to play hardball.

 

Agreed. I think Drew should have stayed out of it more, but I was also glad he was there. If he wasn’t Willow would have folded so fast to Carly and Sonny. 
 

It’s a day that ends in “y” so of course Carly was being a hypocrite. As someone said earlier, Carly used to use Michael as a bargaining chip all the time. Guess she doesn’t like it when the shoe is on the other foot. She’s done worse to hang on to her kids.

Edited January 13 by FilmTVGeek80

[KittyQ]

While the argument between Sonny/Carly and Willow/Drew was completely stupid, I think it is not as unrealistic as all that. Other than the specifics (Drew and Willow now having an affair), I think that when someone is in critical condition, any family disputes suddenly surface and the arguments are totally emotionally driven, focusing on whatever seems "fair" to the participants. The same thing happens after someone dies and there are disputes about how to handle the funeral and later, the will. 

[Bringonthedrama]

13 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

 how all women have to be mothers to be complete.

I didn't expect that and would be horrible to include such a comment in this conversation, because a) Molly's situation and suffering and b) Stella never had children. She helped raise her sister Irene's sons, Thomas and Curtis. I can't imagine Tracy saying something so hurtful to her friend Stella. 

[YaddaYadda]

2 minutes ago, DanaK said:

Sonny definitely still has a soft spot for Nina. It’s interesting that Carly straight up told Willow, in front of Drew, that Drew wants Willow to depend only on him

She wasn't exactly wrong. The way Willow kept deferring to Drew on everything was all kinds of gross and the way Drew was speaking on her behalf was even worse. But if that's not a callback to Willow's upbringing in cults and her stint at Dawn of Days, I don't know what is. Willow is Harmony's daughter. Harmony went from commune to commune before landing with Shiloh because she was looking for guidance and "truth" and other ways to live her life. Willow is exactly the same. When Carly asked her if she ever loved Michael, the answer is now. Willow loved Wylie. This is what drew her to Michael and then she adapted to Michael. 

I really don't care about Kai. He is so boring.

Cody is an idiot.

Lulu is an insufferable and a moron to boot.

Isaiah is the smart doctor on staff. But of course we needed a smart doctor because Michael must live!!!!

I thought the scenes of Tracy talking about Monica were pretty gutting in light of LC's passing. I think the show was gearing up to exit Monica, and I think people like JE who have worked with LC for so long are probably devastated by her passing. 

I do hope that the house goes to Tracy and that she is made the matriarch of the family as opposed to fucking Olivia. 

[cmahorror]

The only way I will accept Joss being recruited by the WSB is if it turns out that Emma was already recruited and they end up having to work together to solve the case. That could be a little fun.

[Cheyanne11]

1 minute ago, YaddaYadda said:

I do hope that the house goes to Tracy and that she is made the matriarch of the family as opposed to fucking Olivia. 

Especially because I don't need Olivia crowing 'Monica gave it to me' every opportunity she gets.

[KittyQ]

Carly to Willow: "People are going to be hurt. You know me..."

Me: Yup, you'll be sure people get hurt.

In other news, what's the deal with Cyrus? He's now an "Angel of Death", praying over the victims? How does he decide who to pick? Other than Michael, the other people weren't in such bad shape, especially Sam. 

Lulu, be careful what you wish for - Charlotte is still flaky and unpredictable. Maybe ask Valentine to work out an arrangement? And while you're at it, maybe visit with your son? 

 

[JMO]

So many things today.

First, Tracy's conversation with Stella.  It was a couple of months ago that there was a "Monica will probably never return" rumor going around, and I suspect it came from GH.  I believe they knew LC's condition was worsening, and thus wrote today's conversation.  I think they were wrong to wait until they thought LC was close to death to make the transition to Tracy as the matriarch, and to honor LC as we presume they will do.  But it's done now.  And Tracy's tribute to Monica was lovely.  

Willow/Drew/Sonny/Carly/Nina---Nina knew the softer Mike inside Sonny and appealed to him today.  I was surprised that Sonny went back and announced the new arrangement without consulting Carly, and even more surprised when she didn't call him out on it.  Nina actually looked sick at the embrace between Willow and Drew at the end.  I like to think that she came to the same conclusion that Carly had, about Drew trying to isolate Willow.  I would love it if this resulted in Nina and Carly somehow becoming allies in saving the kids from this situation.

Regarding the kids situation:  Presumably, the court was led to believe that they were not safe in Willow's care, and thus should be removed.  For Sonny and Carly to violate that order and send the kids back to Willow would rightly lead the court to believe that they aren't keeping the kids safe, either.  Which would result in them being placed in someone else's care entirely.

Early in her conversation with Laura, as Lulu was defending her behaviors, AH had that look on her face that I've seen so often on the faces of other actors who can't believe they are being made to say this drivel.

Re: the police not yet being involved in the GH killings---Really?  Wasn't the first recognized unexpected death the fiance of a detective?  And the second a patrolman, whose police commissioner was on site at the time? Pretty sure the police are aware.

[Desperado]

I always enjoy a Tracy and Stella chat (glad they moved away from that bench) but the timing of the conversation about Monica hit so hard… 😭😭😭

I’m not a fan of the show making Cody out to be an idiot with money, but if it brings Ms.Wu back on my screen, I’ll take it.

[JMO]

9 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

In other news, what's the deal with Cyrus? He's now an "Angel of Death", praying over the victims? How does he decide who to pick? Other than Michael, the other people weren't in such bad shape, especially Sam.

We also need to know why he intended to abscond with Lulu to South Carolina.  He could have just given her digitalis as well, but he didn't.  We saw him visit her a number of times in the NYC institution and at GH, and I'm suspicious that he had something to do with her strange coma.  

[YaddaYadda]

12 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

In other news, what's the deal with Cyrus? He's now an "Angel of Death", praying over the victims? How does he decide who to pick? Other than Michael, the other people weren't in such bad shape, especially Sam. 

Lulu was in a coma when she received her liver transplant. She had a foot in the grave. He didn't kill her, though.

Sam and Dex were perfectly healthy. Even worse, Dex had non life threatening injuries.

Cyrus is playing God to counter the doctors playing God, but his niece is a precious snowflake, so she gets to live.