Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[GHScorpiosRule]

Rolling my eyes at the previews of Cujo asking or telling Willow "not to do this" or whatever she said because Willow is now in control. We all know had there not been that proxy, Cujo would be snarling in Willow's face and telling her that she wouldn't let Willow, the lying, ungrateful, and cheating liar she is, anywhere near her precious sainted son.

So typical. For as long as it lasts, I'm cheering for Willow, because I hate Cujo that much. It won't last because we know Diane will find a loophole that will state someone who has cuckolded her husband has forfeited her rights to have any say. Even though, as his wife, she's still his next of kin.

Oh please with Joss acting like she's a cop or detective, questioning Felicia. I wish Felicia had told her to just go to the cops because she already told them everything. Mini Cujo acting like Felicia was hiding something or needed to think harder made me want to punch her in the face. 

Not that I care, but I found it odd that Brennan told Joss he found out whatever regarding "Dex Heller" as if he was some stranger. I'm pretty sure MiniCujo knew his last name was Heller. It's up there with Portia calling Elizabeth "Nurse Baldwin" at the hospital or when talking about Elizabeth to others in the hospital. It's irksome.

[nilyank]

14 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Not sure I like how Brennan is "leaving Breadcrumbs" for Joss. Cyrus is a very dangerous man and Joss is a college student. Seems to me the play would have been to tip Jaysus off and let him off Cyrus. Much more efficient, IMO, and Carly isn't going to be thrilled if/when she learns Jack put Joss in harm's way.

 

I said it weeks ago that I think Jack wants to recruit Joss to the WSB and right now is going to observe how Joss will investigate Dex's murder.

Sure she is acting like Girl Detective but she was also the one along with Trina who were able to figure out that Esme bought the burner phone from the bartender and framed Trina for the video. So this would not be the first time that she plays detective.

[YaddaYadda]

Joss as WSB will be more insufferable than her usual insufferable self.

[rur]

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Great that he's doing so well. Does he still go commando?

That's not a subject I've broached with him. He was single then, but married now. I imagine his wife may have had some input into his use of undergarments.

Edited Saturday at 08:58 PM by rur

[Sake614]

14 hours ago, ciarra said:

And there's Sonny, after firebombageddon!, with a tiny smudge of ashes on his shirt.

Well Jason wouldn’t let him in the penthouse to save Michael, so he wouldn’t be covered in ash. But  neither was Jason, and he went in after SLS!

[KerleyQ]

1 hour ago, nilyank said:

I said it weeks ago that I think Jack wants to recruit Joss to the WSB and right now is going to observe how Joss will investigate Dex's murder.

I was thinking this, too, he's recruiting her. I think that was the "project" he was referring to, and he's clearly watching her to see how she's doing. I'm guessing that this will be the thing that causes drama in the Carly/Jack relationship. Joss will end up getting in over her head, and Jack will save her life. That part will push Carly fully into a relationship with him.  But, down the line, she'll find out that he was feeding Joss those breadcrumbs to see if she had what it takes to work for the WSB, and that will be their first big fight and test of the relationship. Whether they get past that will depend on if working for the WSB is something Joss actually wants to do, or if she also gets mad at Brennan over it all. If Joss wants to do it, she'll probably keep urging her mother to forgive him, with speeches about how she's an adult who made her own choices and gets to pick her own career. Since Joss seems to actually like Jack, I'm guessing she'll push for Carly to get over it. 

It's completely ludicrous that a judge would grant an emergency order to take kids away from their mother while their father is incapacitated, unless their mother is the one who put him in the hospital, or has done something equally bad. Having one of the kids around her affair partner is not even remotely enough, unless that affair partner was a risk to the kids. 

Also ridiculous that nobody, including anyone at the hospital, thought to consider that Willow is the one who makes decisions for Michael, seeing as how they're still legally married. None of them would even need to know about Michael assigning that task to her, since she's still legally his wife. Unless he had signed something choosing someone else, his wife would be calling the shots. Now that would be something for Diane to go to court to get an emergency order about - showing that he'd filed for divorce after her cheating and requesting that someone else (Carly, Sonny, Jason) be put in charge of his medical decisions. Would have made way more sense than the custody emergency order. 

But, really, who needs healthcare proxies and all that when you've got Portia ready to wander around telling anyone anything?  Seems like the co-chief needs a refresher in patient privacy. I'm pretty sure there's not a line in the HIPAA law saying "unless the doctor knows the patient and wants to call her husband and tell him what's going on."  

Not that Portia is the only one guilty of not following HIPAA.  The only person anyone at GH has refused to give any information to is Drew. Everyone else has been getting any information they want. Yes, they're his family, but unless he's signed paperwork on file with the hospital saying it's OK to discuss his condition with them, it's still not OK.  

Instead of Portia calling Curtis to tell him what's going on, we should have seen her trying to reach Willow (or asking someone else to call her), since she's Michael's next of kin.  Carly and Joss being so specific that Willow was banging Drew while Michael burned would have made more sense if someone at GH said they were trying to reach Willow, but she wasn't answering.  (Yes, I know that they are technically right that they were having sex at the same time, but how would they know that? It's kind of weird how they're fixated on that image instead of just saying "while you were off in D.C. with your boyfriend.") 

And, Drew, yes, everything you're saying to Carly is true, but time and place, dude. Not to mention, as the man who helped break up Michael's marriage, you're pretty far down on the list of people who gets to deliver that message. And, yes, you went to prison for Carly, but that's all on you. You chose to throw yourself on your sword for her. It was stupid, but it was your choice. 

Between Drew talking about Carly putting Michael in Sonny's orbit and Willow reminding Joss of her own cheating, I feel like the writers knew what viewers would be thinking and decided to bring those things up, while also being able to essentially dismiss them by having Drew look like an ass for doing it and having Joss bat away the cheating thing with "I wasn't married with kids."  

[rur]

double post

Edited Saturday at 08:59 PM by rur

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, KerleyQ said:

And, Drew, yes, everything you're saying to Carly is true, but time and place, dude. Not to mention, as the man who helped break up Michael's marriage, you're pretty far down on the list of people who gets to deliver that message. And, yes, you went to prison for Carly, but that's all on you. You chose to throw yourself on your sword for her. It was stupid, but it was your choice. 

I laughed that Drew thought he'd be welcome at the hospital, seeing as how everyone but Willow hates him right now. And then he adds to the tone-deafness by deciding it was the time to berate Carly's parenting. He's one to talk. He's been a very absent father to Scout for most of her life. He willingly put Carly's kids above her when he went to prison. I hope Scout rakes Drew over the coals for that when she's older.

Edited Saturday at 10:26 PM by dubbel zout

[Tenshinhan]

I've been hoping that Emma will turn out to be some sort of criminal, so if Joss does end up joining the WSB then that would be some interesting conflict between the characters.

13 hours ago, rur said:

*FWIW -- Your mothers were right: The last thing my brother remembers was being in the emergency room -- before being given painkillers -- when they were cutting off his clothes. He heard the nurse say, "Oh -- he isn't wearing any underwear."

No underwear is a lot better than dirty underwear, imo.

[Asp Burger]

Daytime doesn't know how to daytime anymore. As late as the 2000s (the "Salem serial killer" etc. ), it still did. Now it stays down on the ground, covering itself to ward off blows. For example, in 2022, when Carly was holding back the information that Nina was Willow's biological mother, and in an unrelated story was guilty of insider trading, it should have been huge. If I had had anything to do with it, I'd have promoted the hell out of that, thrown as much at it as I could get out of the network, made it a big umbrella story called "The Fall of Carly Corinthos." (Or whatever Carly's preferred last name was at the time.) Constant commercials with clips of the Laura Wright version of Carly at her worst over the years: slapping people, screaming at people, being snide. Dramatic narration and music. The story you never thought you would see! Have her slowly lose more and more over about a year, even her good relationships with her kids, and have to climb back equally slowly.

I'll bet that would have given GH its highest ratings in at least a decade. Even the enraged would have been engaged. (That sounds like "Johnnie Cochran, soap journalist," doesn't it?) Carly fans might have been scratching their heads—"We're supposed to tune in to see her 'fall'? Isn't she the heroine who's always justified?"—but lapsed viewers would remember the character and be intrigued. Even people who never watched soaps would be aware that something called "The Fall of Carly Corinthos" was going on. 

[tessaray]

CBS has smartly been promoting their new soap (slightly more than 6 weeks away) in primetime. I think ABC has tried in the past but it's almost always been tied to big disasters that they can't afford to do anymore.  Which is a lose/lose for us. 

The current showrunners and writers are so bad at pacing that more ads would be money wasted. No sense in bringing new and lapsed viewers in just to lose them a few weeks later. 

[Suicidy]

On 1/9/2025 at 12:14 PM, Desperado said:

I thought the same thing! Also wondered if it was a show choice or an actor choice, but I’m weird that way.

The writers seem to have forgotten that Willow served Michael first.

So Willow is the new Nina. This wrath would be more interesting to me if I hadn’t known Michael sex cheated on his wife first, after being too much of a baby to confront his wife kiss cheating.

Loved Curtis speaking truth to Drew. 👏🏻👏🏻 

True, but Carly and Joss are such awful bitches that I’m actually rooting for Drillow.  Which makes me hate writers even more.  Which is quite an accomplishment at this point.

On 1/10/2025 at 7:45 AM, JMO said:

And Mac, the chief of the two detectives.

Don’t forget, they have an unformed cop who sits around the station answering the phones and make coffee.  Andy Taylor and Barney Fife would be a more effective law enforcement team than the PCPD.

Edited 18 hours ago by Suicidy

[Suicidy]

On 1/10/2025 at 12:10 PM, Bringonthedrama said:

The one thing that I thought sounded like absolute truth from Joss today was her line that Michael saved you from a life without Wiley.  The whole Michael-Willow relationship was about that kid.

The one thing that I thought sounded like absolute truth from Drew today was his line to Carly about her history with AJ and Sonny - that she placed Michael in Sonny's dangerous life for her own wants/needs, not for Michael's sake.

There aren't enough eye rolls for Willow literally running into Drew's arms crying for help that "they took my kids!"

KSt, LH and MW all look really beautiful in this episode. Good to see Lucy after LH's terrible loss. 

I guess Isaiah and Lucas save Michael's life but he's in an indefinite coma between the burns and the digitalis injection?

The look on Carly's face was pretty funny when Willow declared herself Michael's wife and decision maker regarding his care. (Because of Drew's advice.)

Only Sonny would declare doing right/we've raised great kids when one of them is dead from a car bomb and the eldest is critically injured for a second time. In a game of least amount of self-awareness between Sonny, Carly, and Drew, I honestly don't know who wins. 

 

It makes me wonder that maybe AJ would have gotten his shit together if he didn’t hav ego deal with Carly, Mooby, and his hitman brother.  Since they tend to destroy a lot of people around them, yet are somehow the heroes of the show.

On 1/10/2025 at 12:25 PM, Desperado said:

Yes.

That hospital has zero security.  

[Suicidy]

On 1/10/2025 at 8:50 PM, yowsah1 said:

Just saw Wednesday's episode and am I to understand that Drillow's f**king was so hot it caused Michael to burst into flames?  ;)

If their sex scene was porn, I would put it on tv when I want to fall asleep quickly.

[Winston Wolfe]

Multiple news outlets have reported that Leslie Charelson has passed away at age 79. True Soap Royalty who left us with a ton of great memories. May She Rest in Peace.

Edited 17 hours ago by Winston Wolfe

[GHScorpiosRule]

26 minutes ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Multiple news outlets have reported that Leslie Charelson has passed away at age 79. True Soap Royalty who left us with a ton of great memories. May She Rest in Peace.

It’s being discussed in the media thread.

[statsgirl]

I don't understand why Brennan, who is presented as a smart man, would want to recruit Joss for the WSB. She's not trained, she's impulsive, headstrong, and she hasn't finished her B.A. (a requirement for the FBI). I can understand if he was trying to recruit Lucky who has experience and a cool head, or Jason but Joss is going to be a liability.

Yes, I know that it's in the same category as Michael Corinthos, Super CEO, but it just doesn't make sense.

[nilyank]

3 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I don't understand why Brennan, who is presented as a smart man, would want to recruit Joss for the WSB. She's not trained, she's impulsive, headstrong, and she hasn't finished her B.A. (a requirement for the FBI). I can understand if he was trying to recruit Lucky who has experience and a cool head, or Jason but Joss is going to be a liability.

 

She is a senior in college and I can understand trying to recruit her straight out of college and then having her spend the next year or so in training for the WSB. Joss would be a different recruit that someone like Lucky who have previous experience in law enforcement/working with the WSB or Jason who is someone Jack has tried to recruit for his unique skills set.

I am just thinking Joss would be recruited the way the character Sydney was on tv show Alias. Pretty girl out of college goes to work for a murky governmental agency and gets to wear a bunch of cool outfits as she does spy stuff.

 

Edited 13 hours ago by nilyank

[ljr]

I just saw on Facebook Leslie Charleson has passed away

[DanaK]

47 minutes ago, ljr said:

I just saw on Facebook Leslie Charleson has passed away

Yep, we’re talking about it in the Media thread if you want to join in

[YaddaYadda]

9 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I don't understand why Brennan, who is presented as a smart man, would want to recruit Joss for the WSB.

Because she's a Carly. She's not trained? Big deal! She's a Carly!!! She's impulsive? Nothing to fret about, she's a Carly!

Carlys are winners! They are strong and capable and oh so brave the gaslighting says.

Fight your instincts! Be a sheep and fall in line.

This show is dumb. 

[Desperado]

10 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I don't understand why Brennan, who is presented as a smart man, would want to recruit Joss for the WSB. She's not trained, she's impulsive, headstrong, and she hasn't finished her B.A. (a requirement for the FBI). I can understand if he was trying to recruit Lucky who has experience and a cool head, or Jason but Joss is going to be a liability.

Yes, I know that it's in the same category as Michael Corinthos, Super CEO, but it just doesn't make sense.

I saw it as him wanting to hire her for shady honey trap work. In my head, that’s why Anna went over the top trying to stop him from recruiting Emma.

I really hope they stick to a mentor role for Brennan though and not a sex/love interest. I’ve had enough of the young woman/sleazy much older man scenario.

Edited 5 hours ago by Desperado

[Melgaypet]

Joss playing Girl Detective is irritating because everything Joss does is irritating, but I do have to say that teen or young adult characters solving a mystery is a soap staple.

Brennan grooming Joss to be WSB is a new wrinkle and could have been interesting, in theory. An Alias-type story, like @nilyank mentioned. But then, I think of Joss, of all people, being the one to bring down the shadier elements of the WSB and I die a little inside.

I wonder if the Emma angle is being dropped. Anna warned Brennan off, but Emma is an adult, she can join the WSB if she wants to. That could be some organic family conflict where no one has to be the villain - Anna (and Patrick and Robin and Robert wherever he is) would have good reason to not want her in such a dangerous line of work, but that would look quite hypocritical and insulting to Emma.

[MarciNJ]

4 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Carlys are winners! They are strong and capable and oh so brave the gaslighting says.

don't forget that they lovewiththeirwholeheart.  Saints, I tell you...

[mostlylurking]

Drew shouldn’t be at the hospital and anyone with two brain cells would know this, but I kind of loved seeing a little fire in Willow standing up to Carly and Sonny.  And Portia and Isiah standing there uncomfortably while all these idiots were airing their dirty laundry was hilarious.

[Suicidy]

17 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Multiple news outlets have reported that Leslie Charelson has passed away at age 79. True Soap Royalty who left us with a ton of great memories. May She Rest in Peace.

I just saw that myself.  I was afraid that’s where things were headed.  Let’s hope they do a better tribute for her than they did Stuart Damon.

 

RIP Leslie.