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15 minutes ago, Daisy said:

How the hell does Drew know about Katherine Bell? and Monica and Ned sleeping with each other? Also Drew. yeah don't throw stones through your glass house there boy. 

Olivia stopping Nina but holding her hand was nice. (did they become friends or somethin?)

You know. I can't even really enjoy Willow being read for filith. (shut up Carly) because Michael. you cheated. You screwed Sasha and you're hiding this so no no matter how i feel about emotional affairs and the kiss and whatever you don't get to sit there looking all hang dog like "oh no what do i do"

Okay shut up Carly. 

Sasha. shut up. you slept with Willow's husband. like shut up. 

Michael. YOU SLEPT WITH SASHA. SHUT UP. 

Carly. They are Willow's children too. So. say it with me. SHUT UP.

I think many people in town know about Ned and Katherine Bell. I'm sure it's easy to find information like that online. And I think that was Drew's point: "Don't throw stones." Tracy & Ned acted like what he did was morally reprehensible to them when they have done equally, or way worse, things. And Tracy can shut it by acting like Alan was above that type of behavior. He may not have slept with his nephew's wife, but he did drop a house on her (and her lover) and physically assaulted her a couple of times. I also don't get Tracy's rationale of "Well, you had sex with her in this house, so that makes it our business." How does that work? 

I liked the look on Willow's face when confronted by Carly at the end. I don't think she will cower to Carly. I hope their faux mother-daughter relationship is over. Willow is those kids' mother, and she doesn't have to answer to Carly about what she does with them, especially not on Quartermaine property. Carly should be all about the mother's rights, given how strongly she tried to keep AJ from his child.

But, yeah, Sasha and Michael can have several seats.

From the preview, it looks like Carly's too busy fighting her son's battles for him to answer Joss's calls, so she gets Jason to help her mourn.

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Adieu Dex, or as too many actors onscreen regularly said his name this year, "Dax". I do think the Patrick Mulcahey era tried to make Dex and Joss more palatable to the writer's own tastes by moving him to a cop role, which IMO was the right thing for that character and he came off sincere and good-hearted in that arena with Anna, etc.

But ultimately I never cared a whit about Dex and won't miss him. It's time to do what OLTL 1991 did: Purge! Start throwing up an opening sequence where 50-70% of the actors in it have already been fired! Here's what you do when you don't find the rainbow's end! Don't cry! 🪓🪓

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Today's episode made up for the boring Ava/Ric and Q party yesterday. Good payoffs.

Tracy was really having a ball, between plotting with Ned (I think she showed that tape deliberately to get Drew out), taunting Nina and being smug with Drew. Well done, JE.

Ditto WK.

Carly hasn't realized that Michael is no longer 5 years old. She really needs to butt out but being Carly, she won't.  "Michael gave you a family, how could you do this to him?"  Odds are Michael sleeping with Sasha will be totally okay in her eyesj (How I hate that Sasha is pregnant.)

40 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

I can't believe how boring the Trina and Kai conversations are, especially compared to the Sprina magic.

They're written so badly, as well as Kai being just the most perfect person that ever personed. I'm not impressed with Trina knowing nothing about football ('tell me what a defensive ender is'), I had hoped that the days of woman having to play stupid for a man were done. Did Taggart never watch football with her when she was younger?

23 hours ago, Daisy said:

My poor Canadian brain is screaming cheque!!!

My computer keeps trying to correct that spelling.😠

Mostly I use etransfers these days. And the waiter taking a credit card back to the machine seems so strange now that most are done at the table in Canada. (Fun fact: that's because there are only 5 major banks in Canada so it's easy to program. The US has many more banks so it's harder to connect everything.)

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53 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Sasha. shut up. you slept with Willow's husband. like shut up. 

How did she play that scene without an ounce of remorse!?! Girl, you are carrying the evidence in your womb! Not a single guilt stricken look behind a bite of meringue. 

Not that I'm saying it's ok or anything, but Willow and Drew's playroom sex romp happened before the Sasha and Michael baby making.  Willow cheated first!!

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Yeah riiiiight, Kai pulls out a thrilling victory QBing a rivalry/play off game, but instead of celebrating with the team, he sits  quietly in a breezeway having the most boring conversation ever with Trina. 

I can't decide if offing Dex was figuratively or literally "removing some deadwood."

I hope the killin' keeps a'coming! Check that list twice, Cyrus! 

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7 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I'm not impressed with Trina knowing nothing about football ('tell me what a defensive ender is'), I had hoped that the days of woman having to play stupid for a man were done. Did Taggart never watch football with her when she was younger?

I fast-forwarded through those scenes mostly, but was Trina giving off the vibe she was pretending to know nothing or genuinely knew nothing? Because there are plenty of people who know next to nothing about football. I'm one of them. I read a book when I was a kid about a girl teaching her best friend about football, and I learned some things but have completely forgotten over the years. I could guess what a defensive end is, but a linebacker? No clue. I know the term, and that's it. Taggert may not have been a football fan. 

1 minute ago, perkie1968 said:

Not that I'm saying it's ok or anything, but Willow and Drew's playroom sex romp happened before the Sasha and Michael baby making.  Willow cheated first!!

No, Sasha and Michael had sex first. Willow and Drew kissed twice. Michael found out about the first kiss and immediately went out to get drunk and had sex with Sasha. The playroom sex happened weeks(?) later. 

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23 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

"Michael gave you a family, how could you do this to him?" 

Pretty sure Willow had a part in Amelia's existence, Carls, and as for the rest of the family, Dante is only keeper in the Corinthos bunch, and Lucky and Lulu don't know Willow at all, so the Spencer side is pretty bleak with just you. As for the Qs, Michael uses them when he needs something. 

24 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I had hoped that the days of woman having to play stupid for a man were done.

I can buy Trina not knowing the ins and outs of football, and that's fine, but to ask what a bowl game is? Does she not consume any sort of media at all?

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32 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Not that I'm saying it's ok or anything, but Willow and Drew's playroom sex romp happened before the Sasha and Michael baby making.  Willow cheated first!!

wait did it?

I thought it was
Kiss
Kiss
Cody Drew Fight
Masha Sex
Drillow Sex

yeup. Masha had sex October 30th
Willow & Drew had sex after Sam died Nov 5th. 

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40 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

They're written so badly, as well as Kai being just the most perfect person that ever personed. I'm not impressed with Trina knowing nothing about football ('tell me what a defensive ender is'), I had hoped that the days of woman having to play stupid for a man were done. Did Taggart never watch football with her when she was younger?

I don't know anything about football so all this talk of football flew over my head and the scenes were so goddamn boring.

Kai is great at his sport, he will go to the NFL, end up with CTE. Let's get to other scenes.

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43 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Carly hasn't realized that Michael is no longer 5 years old. She really needs to butt out but being Carly, she won't.  "Michael gave you a family, how could you do this to him?"  Odds are Michael sleeping with Sasha will be totally okay in her eyesj (How I hate that Sasha is pregnant.)

That whole "After everything he's done for you" rant turned my stomach.

So every woman who cheats has to be EXTRA slut-shamed if she was from a sketchy background before marrying into status and stability? Then Carly should have been stoned in the town square several times over by now.

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A day behind as usual but I have to comment on Thursday's ep.

1. Trina doesn't need to feel guilty about Kai. No way PCU is a division 1 school which means that Kai should 100% actually have to pass his classes and do the work.

2. An alarm goes off at the end and Elizabeth just stares at a screen?  Really?

3. Ric shouldn't be close to Kristina because she's his niece.   he should be close to her because she's his stepdaughter and they were very close when she was a child.

4. I'm going to agree with Tracy that it was very rude for people to come to her party and demand to watch the game.

5. Sasha does realize that she's going to show at some point in time right?  I realize she has time, but if she's not looking for another job and she lives on the same property as the father, he may figure it out.  And if he tells Willow about his one night stand even w/o mentioning names (she may figure it out, too).

6.  No, Kristina.  Wanting vengeance (I'm sorry justice) is not the way you tell if someone is a good mother.  Or loves someone.

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1 hour ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I think many people in town know about Ned and Katherine Bell. I'm sure it's easy to find information like that online. And I think that was Drew's point: "Don't throw stones." Tracy & Ned acted like what he did was morally reprehensible to them when they have done equally, or way worse, things. And Tracy can shut it by acting like Alan was above that type of behavior. He may not have slept with his nephew's wife, but he did drop a house on her (and her lover) and physically assaulted her a couple of times. I also don't get Tracy's rationale of "Well, you had sex with her in this house, so that makes it our business." How does that work? 

I liked the look on Willow's face when confronted by Carly at the end. I don't think she will cower to Carly. I hope their faux mother-daughter relationship is over. Willow is those kids' mother, and she doesn't have to answer to Carly about what she does with them, especially not on Quartermaine property. Carly should be all about the mother's rights, given how strongly she tried to keep AJ from his child.

But, yeah, Sasha and Michael can have several seats.

From the preview, it looks like Carly's too busy fighting her son's battles for him to answer Joss's calls, so she gets Jason to help her mourn.

 

I think Tracy and Ned are coming from it from a Monica POV.  (and for the fact that Drew came after them so they have no time for him). they are really playing it up that Monica is sick and can't handle any sad news/drama so for Drew to do this to her grandson (even though he sucks). is like. for shame how dare you. (since EVERYONE is playing that partyline).  I don't remember the entire Katherine Bell thing but ned was right that he didn't know that Monica was his aunt lol and I think that's the crux of this. It's not so much that Drew screwed around is that he screwed around with family that's my take away.

I think the take away was - if you didn't want us to know and comment you wouldn't have done it in the house where we all could have known. (simply by walking into the room). like it wasn't even his room, so like if someone had wanted to check on Scout or the eleventymillion kids that stay there, the easily could have been caught.
I haven't liked Willow for a very long time but if she puts Carly in her place, she'll earn a lot of it back. Willow has every right to take her kids and hang out at her mothers. End of story. So back off Carly.  

46 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

They're written so badly, as well as Kai being just the most perfect person that ever personed. I'm not impressed with Trina knowing nothing about football ('tell me what a defensive ender is'), I had hoped that the days of woman having to play stupid for a man were done. Did Taggart never watch football with her when she was younger?

wait? why is that stupid?  I have no idea what a defensive ender is. I watch the Grey Cup [if i remember] and the Super bowl [ditto] and i think every year people have to explain it to me because i don't remember and there are like 99 million people on the field doing nothing. (now Hockey i've got you and I understand it).  if you don't know you don't know. 

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4 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

That whole "After everything he's done for you" rant turned my stomach.

So every woman who cheats has to be EXTRA slut-shamed if she was from a sketchy background before marrying into status and stability? Then Carly should have been stoned in the town square several times over by now.

Carly is extra special. She should remember that Willow married Michael to give his spawn a mother and keep his biological mother far away from them.

Willow didn't marry for stability or status. She had stability in her relationship with Chase and while she didn't have "status," she was happy in her professional life. 

Carly is just always projecting her own actions, her own thoughts unto other women. As far as sexism and misogyny go, she is the biggest offender, imo.

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I can understand being a little clueless about football, my dad tried to explain football to me many times over the years but I’m more of a baseball girl. Even such I still know the basics, that guy is good at running the ball, that guy is good at kicking the ball, that one does a piledriver (yeah I also love wrestling) on the other players to keep them away from the quarterback whose job is looking pretty and dating supermodels. Also I love annoying my friends by calling every bowl game a bowel game. But Trina just has so little to offer as a character these days other than a sounding board to other characters so even the storylines they give her are boring. 

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2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Joss: How could Willow cheat on Michael?

Me: You cheated on Cameron or had you forgotten?

I thought this episode was a double dose of karma for Willow cheating on Chase with Michael, and Joss cheating on Cameron with Dex. Humiliation in front of their family in a cheating scandal after they unapologetically screwed over Chase, who got to see the show and is now happily married. Joss has her boyfriend taken away from her permanently a couple weeks before the 2-year anniversary of her unapologetically cheating on her previous best friend-boyfriend with this current boyfriend (who was waiting outside to comfort her after she broke Cam's heart). And Trina still doesn't know that Joss cheated on Cam.  Meanwhile Cameron is off in California having a great new life and I thought Elizabeth had mentioned a while ago that he has a girlfriend there.

Well, Carly certainly raised her children to take after her.

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3 hours ago, Pingaponga said:

 

And Dex dies. So in the dead boyfriend count,  Josslyn is up 2-1 on Trina.

Now they're tied ( Oscar/Dex) and (Rory/Spencer)

Wow... That was a Friday. 

And yeah, Carly sensed someone was taking her 'things' so she shows up to keep Willow from taking the kids to Ninas.

( God help us all if we're in for Granny Wars Two)

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Very soapy scene at the Q mansion, but Michael and Willow are so bland that the fireworks had to come from Carly.  Will she tell Sonny directly, or call her hero, Jason, and have him spill the beans?  I enjoyed Tracy and Ned and their initial reactions.

I guess Gio has caught on to Uncle Sonny's real nature.

Will Drew resign his congressional position in shame, or will he fit right in when he gets to DC?

Don't know what to make of Sasha.  Doesn't seem like she's thought this whole thing through.  

I read that TA helped cast Kai, and for the life of me, I can't figure out why.  He doesn't seem to have a personality.  

I enjoyed the conversation between Lulu and Dante.  Glad they got to talk just a little bit about Sam and what he's going through.  

Poor, bland Dex.  Now Anna will feel guilt over his death because she actively recruited him into the PCPD.  

And then there's Ava and Ric, and their locked accounts.  It was actually kind of fun, got diluted by competing with the other scenes. But I don't understand why Ava and Lucas have a connection.  What am I missing?

22 minutes ago, DanaK said:

I guess Lucas ended up having a constructive relationship with him while still keeping a relationship with his adoptive mother Bobbie?

Julian found out that Brad switched babies and was blackmailing him about it, so Julian and Lucas were never going to be besties. I think they were able to get to a point where they were at least civil to each other.

2 hours ago, sacrebleu said:

And yeah, Carly sensed someone was taking her 'things' so she shows up to keep Willow from taking the kids to Ninas.

God, she was horrible today.  Storming in there and acting like Willow was just the hired help/babysitter and wasn't those children's mother.  Fighting Michael's battles for him today like he was a toddler.  She's the worst.

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3 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I'm not impressed with Trina knowing nothing about football ('tell me what a defensive ender is'), I had hoped that the days of woman having to play stupid for a man were done. Did Taggart never watch football with her when she was younger?

I know nothing about football, nor do I want to. And if my father watched a game, it certainly wasn’t with me. It has nothing to do with being stupid for a man. Not everyone likes football. Or any sport. I’m not thrilled with her sudden interest in him and the game, but if she wants to learn, great. If she doesn’t, that’s okay too.

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Today’s episode made me miss The Soup.  They would have had a field day with everyone’s reactions.  
 

I was surprised they waited until halfway through the show to get to the Dex stuff. I was surprised that his exit wasn’t leaked. I’m a little sad to see him go.  He has grown on me over the last few months.  I hope they’re able to save the next victim now that we’ve had two characters lost to the killer. 

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42 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

I know nothing about football, nor do I want to. And if my father watched a game, it certainly wasn’t with me. It has nothing to do with being stupid for a man. Not everyone likes football. Or any sport. I’m not thrilled with her sudden interest in him and the game, but if she wants to learn, great. If she doesn’t, that’s okay too.

I watched football with my brothers when I was a kid and had to ask them questions. Then I didn't watch for years, and started watching with my bf about 6 years. And I still had to ask some questions. Lol and I was never playing stupid. 

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1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

God, she was horrible today.  Storming in there and acting like Willow was just the hired help/babysitter and wasn't those children's mother.  Fighting Michael's battles for him today like he was a toddler.  She's the worst.

She was the same way during the stolen baby Wiley reveal.  Where Michael stood there and said nothing, and Carly used her "I want to speak to the manager" * voice. 

*TM someone else.

I thought Tracy could dial back the glee a notch.  There are consequences for more than just Drew and his political ambitions.

Poor Jasus, why is he stuck patting Joss on the shoulder?  Everyone has phones these days, call someone for her.  Someone that isn't emotionally constipated.

 

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4 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

Not that I'm saying it's ok or anything, but Willow and Drew's playroom sex romp happened before the Sasha and Michael baby making.  Willow cheated first!!

No, Willow lusting for Drew and kissing him is what lead to Micheal/Sasha Drunken sex THEN the Gross Nanny Cam caught Sex between Drew and Willow happened afterward. Willow did cheat first 

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I've got no love for Dex. But do we need another death? He would lift right out - recruited by the FBI, job offer from a contractor, etc. Now we have more grief when half the canvas is already grieving Sam as well as Molly and TJs baby. Watching Joss mope for the next however long is not going to be entertaining. And Cyrus already killed a vet we care about so this does nothing to raise the stakes. It's a dark story choice with no payoff.

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6 hours ago, Daisy said:

the fact that Ned and Tracy are hackling like hyenas kill me. and then Tracy's no let it play. oh she's living for this moment.

I will not lie-I laughed my ass off seeing Ned's utter glee and Tracy's.

I can't help it!

Not sure who Cujo went upstairs to see, but the SLS's spawns were in the gatehouse, or wherever it is they live; so she ended up there at the end.

Back in the days when this show was GOOD, we would have seen Elizabeth and the doctors rushing into Dex's room to find out what was going on and then trying to save him; but now? We get the tail end. Not that I care about him; I don't.

Not looking forward to Elizabeth being under investigation. Again.

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12 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Back in the days when this show was GOOD, we would have seen Elizabeth and the doctors rushing into Dex's room to find out what was going on and then trying to save him; but now? We get the tail end. Not that I care about him; I don't.

The thing is they already played this exact scenario out for Sam’s death a few weeks ago, so it would have been a complete rehash. 

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I wish Sonny was still there to watch Ava and Ric both not be able to pay their bill. I understood Ava's, Why would Ric card not work? He's broke with no savings?

Tracy reaction to video and Ned was awesome. Lol 

Willow still love Carly better than anyone? Does she still think her wonderful maid of honor Carly is best person ever? 

Loved seeing Windermere set today. It needs to be used more. Team Cassadines taking the settlement back. 

Suddenly Trina is showing up at football game all smiling at Kai? After treating him so angrily since meeting him.

Sad to see Dex not make it and probably Cyrus win again. I liked Dex and his turning his life around. Dex would have been better off being treated by Joss in her dorm. 

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Tracy and Ned were perfection today.  I laughed along with them. 

Let Donna's future love interests be warned - Carly's spawn have a bit of a body count going.  

Although... I know they've made a big deal of announcing EH's departure and all, but I've already seen some speculation that Dex isn't really dead, and this is some scheme he and Anna came up with to bust the killer. 

This was the first time I've really enjoyed this Lucas. He made the Ava/Ric scenes significantly better. 

I don't care if it makes sense at all, can Natalia be Cyrus's next victim?  I'll accept any and every reason. 

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On 12/12/2024 at 5:16 PM, Pingaponga said:

My guess is that she's being sued in civil court for baby Irene/Adella's death so her bank accounts have been frozen (no idea if that's the right terminology or if freezing her accounts is possible).

It’s is the correct terminology.  And a judge has at least so,e ability to,order assets frozen.  But Ava would have been served via process to indicate such an intent from the court and would have the opportunity to appear informs of said judge first.  All of which would involve an actual lawsuit being filed, which she would already be aware of.

But with these writers?  Any bulkshit thing can happen.

4 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

God, she was horrible today.  Storming in there and acting like Willow was just the hired help/babysitter and wasn't those children's mother.  Fighting Michael's battles for him today like he was a toddler.  She's the worst.

Carly said “ Are you taking Michael’s children?’.  What she was real,y saying was ‘Those are Carly’s babies!’.

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10 hours ago, Pingaponga said:

What Cassadines are there that can reverse Ava's divorce settlement? Isn't Nicholas the only one left? And I'm pretty sure she/her lawyer would be involved in any discussions about reversing them.

Carly is awful. Michael is an adult, he can handle this without his mom's help. Drew is awful.

And Dex dies. So in the dead boyfriend count,  Josslyn is up 2-1 on Trina.

A divorce settlement can’t be ‘reversed’.  Amd if another Cassadine is coming out of the woodwork (please be James Callis as Mikos Jr.), to claim that Nikolas didn’t own those assets I the first place, it would require a lengthy court battle.  With an actual lawsuit being filed long before any assets were frozen.
 

But GH writers have the knowledge level of a fifth grader when it comes to any technical or scientific issues.  Or are far too lazy to care

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On 12/12/2024 at 2:00 PM, dubbel zout said:

The Q holiday party was really grim. No wonder people watched the game instead. And LOL that nearly all of the guests live somewhere on the property, so they see one another often enough.

Why don't they just change the name of the show to Quatermaine Mansion   Cyrus could still knock off people there ala Clue.

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9 hours ago, StaceyNotStacie said:

 I hope they’re able to save the next victim now that we’ve had two characters lost to the killer. 

I think the next one might end up being Elizabeth, tbh. She's pretty much at the heart of this and she'll want to know what happened to both Sam and Dex since she was the nurse in charge of them at the time of their deaths.

So if she starts puzzling this whole thing out, Cyrus might come for her next.

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10 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Back in the days when this show was GOOD, we would have seen Elizabeth and the doctors rushing into Dex's room to find out what was going on and then trying to save him; but now? We get the tail end. Not that I care about him; I don't.

We saw an entire show of a team trying to save Sam and it was excruciating to me, I’m fine with getting the short version this time.

I’m also with @Grinaldi, we’ve had too many deaths already. Even Cates could’ve been whisked off the canvas without Sonny killing him (I still hate that Sonny’s walking away from this with the strength of a 1000 suns (TM someone on TWoP, eons ago). If we add that to IRL passings, this is a show that has been mourning for much too long.

But if you’re going to go there, don’t show Cyrus doing it right off the bat! There are 2 new doctors at GH and an old/semi-new lab tech w/ links to the mob who could’ve been investigated, a whodunnit would’ve been more interesting.

Cyrus (another person they could’ve just disappeared off screen), is such a boring choice (I admit I’m a Jeff Kober fan, but still).

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10 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I will not lie-I laughed my ass off seeing Ned's utter glee and Tracy's.

 

me too me too. like Tracy's look made me gasp but it was Neds. heee heee heeee that set me off for a good chunk of time. (probably because that's how i'd be giggling hehehehe) i have obviously missed a crap tonne but i am simply assuming that Ned still is pissed with Drew with the whole ELQ stuff

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