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KerleyQ

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19 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone (except TJ, because he's a selfish clod) that right now, Molly doesn't want children. She's lost two of them in about a year. Annoyingly, though, she probably will change her mind, since on GH a woman is worthless if she doesn't have children.

If I'm remembering right, there was no mention of Molly and TJ wanting/being ready for kids until she thought she might be pregnant. Then, instead of being pregnant, she found out she had endometriosis, and was told she can't have a baby.  They could actually explore her realizing she pushed so hard to have a baby right now, because she's the over-achiever who doesn't like being told there is something she can't do, and it created this sense of urgency in her. Let her figure out that, yeah, she might want kids at some point down the road, but, right now, she's really not ready. It would also explain so much about why she was so uninvolved in the pregnancy, and even why the cracks started showing in her relationship with TJ during the pregnancy. 

Just, for the love of God, don't have her miraculously become pregnant from a one night stand with someone like Dez or Isaiah. 

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Mirabelle

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9 hours ago, ulkis said:

Rumor is this came from above him which I believe. The only two vets that that have been cut/killed under FV are AJ and Duke, and they were re-hired by him in the first place. Cutting Kelly and then killing Sam almost as dead as can be on a soap doesn't fit his m.o., imo.

Organ donation has never stopped a Cassadine (or someone they've kidnapped) from returning from the dead. Jake's organs were harvested by two doctors who knew him personally and that didn't stop the show from resurrecting him as Helena's hostage a few years later. 

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Katy M

Katy M

10 minutes ago, Mirabelle said:

Organ donation has never stopped a Cassadine (or someone they've kidnapped) from returning from the dead. Jake's organs were harvested by two doctors who knew him personally and that didn't stop the show from resurrecting him as Helena's hostage a few years later. 

Which I hated.  You need to live with your decisions.  You kill a character (with the usual soap exceptions of being in an explosion or falling in a river with no body) leave the character dead.  It's beyond ridiculous the number of dead people who have come back to life when it made no sense.

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30 Helens

30 Helens

39 minutes ago, Katy M said:

as a junior art history major, if she's in a class with a freshman not art major, she's either in a class below her level, or he's in a class above his.  If the former, she should have no trouble completing the project by herself. 

Perfectionist that she is, I can’t imagine she wouldn’t prefer to do it herself anyway. She would certainly micromanage every step.

It’s bad enough that this tedious meet not-cute is still dragging on, do they have to turn Trina into an insufferable scold in the process? And her elitist prioritizing of her career goals over Football Guy’s only makes her more unlikeable. We know they will end up together, Show, so let’s get on with it before you ruin Trina’s character completely.

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ulkis

ulkis

1 hour ago, Mirabelle said:

Organ donation has never stopped a Cassadine (or someone they've kidnapped) from returning from the dead. Jake's organs were harvested by two doctors who knew him personally and that didn't stop the show from resurrecting him as Helena's hostage a few years later. 

Definitely, but even so I'm not a fan of such convoluted dumb returns. Besides she has her liver, that's not the main problem, heh.

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statsgirl

statsgirl

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3 hours ago, ulkis said:

Rumor is this came from above him which I believe.

Maybe. But why would someone above be micromanaging the show to that extent? It's not like Kelly suddenly became notorious and they had to dump her.

3 hours ago, Katy M said:

Oh, I forgot. How is sending a non doctor to a doctor's conference being impartial?  She had a perfectly valid, impersonal reason for not sending him.  Also, doesn't Brad know he can just go on vacation as the same time Lucas is down there?  He wants to hang on the beach anyway.

I can understand that Brad would not want to just book a ticket at Lucas' hotel because Lucas had told him that he didn't want to have any kind of relationship with him. If Portia sends him, Lucas can't say anything.

My question is what is a trauma surgeon (Lucas) doing at at a primary care physician (family doctor) conference? Is he going to teach them what to do when their patients get shot?  I think they already know that. Portia would do better to end Kevin since it's estimated that half of family doctor appointments involve psych issues.

2 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

Perfectionist that she is, I can’t imagine she wouldn’t prefer to do it herself anyway. She would certainly micromanage every step.

That would make sense since she is in theory so far ahead of Kai in terms of art studies. Ditch the dead weight and produce an A++ assignment.

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ulkis

ulkis

8 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Maybe. But why would someone above be micromanaging the show to that extent? It's not like Kelly suddenly became notorious and they had to dump her.

Apparently because she went to them herself to have a story changed and they got pissed. She tagged some executives in an Instagram post she made in September which is another thing makes me think it could be true.

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Katy M

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2 hours ago, ulkis said:

Definitely, but even so I'm not a fan of such convoluted dumb returns. Besides she has her liver, that's not the main problem, heh.

They even did an autopsy.  Although Im sure they would have done an autopsy on Diego, too. No, I won't get over it.  For whatever reason, that's the back to life character I refuse to overlook even for a moment.

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JMO

JMO

3 hours ago, statsgirl said:

My question is what is a trauma surgeon (Lucas) doing at at a primary care physician (family doctor) conference? Is he going to teach them what to do when their patients get shot?  I think they already know that. Portia would do better to end Kevin since it's estimated that half of family doctor appointments involve psych issues.

That was my question as well.  

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ComeWhatMay

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9 hours ago, jsbt said:

Because that's all it is. A very basic and cliched soap C-story so they can plausibly claim the Black heroine still has story and airtime. They were deeply skittish of frontlining her with Spencer but couldn't get away from it entirely due to the fanbase and the optics, and now they don't have that problem.

As you just explained, it’s a see-through claim… I better keep the rest of what I would like to say on the backward management of this show to myself. 

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jsbt

jsbt

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4 hours ago, ulkis said:

Would people be willing to make an exception for a Wes Ramsey return if it was as NuMichael lol?

Nice to see you again! We'll miss you!

3 hours ago, ulkis said:

Apparently because she went to them herself to have a story changed and they got pissed. She tagged some executives in an Instagram post she made in September which is another thing makes me think it could be true.

A lot of that stuff floating around (or the show in general) about this feels like rumors spun up into overly confident narrative that doesn't necessarily hold for me, considering one of the sources is a true crackpot.

I do believe the network wanted more cuts. I don't believe anyone mandated it was Kelly Monaco, but I think she put herself into a position to be vulnerable both in the past and maybe very recently. I also think Frank had been tired of her behavior for awhile. Not that I really care, Sam has been superfluous for over a decade.

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tessaray

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7 hours ago, Katy M said:

I've never watched a home shopping channel. Is there ever any drama on it?  And why would the drama suddenly make people buy a product?

I've never seen more than 2 or 3 minutes myself but evidently people can be very passionate about various spokespeople and products. (There used to be forums here for Shopping Channels - it could get very fractious.) If certain viewers liked old Lois, I can see them boycotting fake-sounding Lois.

CeChase

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7 hours ago, tessaray said:

I've never seen more than 2 or 3 minutes myself but evidently people can be very passionate about various spokespeople and products. (There used to be forums here for Shopping Channels - it could get very fractious.) If certain viewers liked old Lois, I can see them boycotting fake-sounding Lois.

omg I remember that forum!  I had totally forgotten about them.  They HATED one of the QVC hosts, a beautiful brunette lady, I cannot recall her name.  I think I happened upon them because I was trying to figure out what happened to Pam McCoy from ShopNBC, or maybe it was Value Vision back then.  Anyway...yeah I went down a rabbit hole of drama for about a week.  They were crazy!  Who hates a shopping network host?  You would have thought she was Carly LMAO

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

15 hours ago, ulkis said:

Would people be willing to make an exception for a Wes Ramsey return if it was as NuMichael lol?

I know you wrote this as a joke, @ulkis, but I don't mind this idea. I think WR is a good actor—it's not his fault he got stuck with a role that had such ridiculous changes—and he'd give Michael edge that is desperately needed. My only quibble would be that there still isn't enough time between now and when Petah was finally killed. It's nearly three years, but he was so polarizing that more time is needed.

9 hours ago, ulkis said:

You guys aren't thinking about how it would be LW playing Wes' mother! It'd be amazing lol.

Yikes, I preposterously forgot about that. It would make things interesting!

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Bringonthedrama

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Josslyn, Trina, Gio and Dex Christmas tree shopping = insufferable. 

On the other hand, Lucky taking Elizabeth's hand to go Christmas tree shopping, them reminiscing about being teenagers dreaming about going to NYC, and Lucky looking at her with heart eyes and volunteering to help her decorate her house for Christmas while Aiden is out, really got me in the feels!!! Lucky being so sweet and complimentary. Elizabeth looking so taken aback that he's staying indefinitely. The looks that passed between them as he played Cam's guitar! Loved the flashback to them as teens.  RHerbst and JJ still have that magic. I remember when they took little Cam and toddler Jake shopping for a Christmas tree and Lucky mentioned "Grandma Laura" (but GF wasn't on the Show at that time).

The Martin-Laura scenes were very well done too.  It's good for the audience, via, Martin, to be reminded that Laura was catatonic and lost years with Lulu like Lulu has lost years with Rocco.

I also liked Alexis saying, "I'm your mommy" and hugging Molly. Agreeing to be roommates for now. Sweetness!

We all called it that Cyrus snuck in and murdered Sam! It seems like eventually he'll claim it was God's plan to give Lulu her whole life back.  I guess GH will have a lawsuit coming for crap security.

 

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

Gio, Joss, Dex and Trina are one boring quartet. Dex is the Eyore of this group. And I like how we have a revolving door for the fourth person in this group. Rory, Spencer, Gio. Two are dead, let's make that three.

We all knew that God loving, Bible thumping and reformed man Cyrus murdered Sam, because this show does not know how to do foreshadowing. They just know how to catapult anvils.

I guess his reasoning might be that he wants to give Lulu back everything he took from her after he almost blew her up into an early grave. Still doesn't explain him wanting to move her all the way to North Carolina, though.

I am impressed by how many scenes KeMo filmed for her exit. I thought they'd put a mannequin with a dark wig in that bed.

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

33 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Josslyn, Trina, Gio and Dex Christmas tree shopping = insufferable. 

The decorating was just as bad. I don't care about how Gio's family did it.

"The big return wasn't without its hiccups." At first I thought Martin was referring Sam's death, and I thought, That's a rather flip way to discuss it, and he actually meant Cyrus at the facility.

Sonny, if Kristina wanting revenge on Ava isn't honoring the baby, neither is you doing something. 

Laura, you can blame your friend Anna for Valentin skipping town with Charlotte.

I can't believe what babies RH and JJ were when they were first on the show together.

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CeChase

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35 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Gio, Joss, Dex and Trina are one boring quartet. Dex is the Eyore of this group. And I like how we have a revolving door for the fourth person in this group. Rory, Spencer, Gio. Two are dead, let's make that three.

We all knew that God loving, Bible thumping and reformed man Cyrus murdered Sam, because this show does not know how to do foreshadowing. They just know how to catapult anvils.

I guess his reasoning might be that he wants to give Lulu back everything he took from her after he almost blew her up into an early grave. Still doesn't explain him wanting to move her all the way to North Carolina, though.

I am impressed by how many scenes KeMo filmed for her exit. I thought they'd put a mannequin with a dark wig in that bed.

Oh I see, he wanted to give her Dante back.  I was trying to figure out what the point of all this was.  Well, that's crazy. 

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

2 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Kristina to Sonny: Look at where we are - you know how to run a restaurant.

Me: You mean the perpetually empty place you're sitting in?? I think it doesn't even have enough business to qualify as a money laundering front. 

It isn't really a restaurant, is it? No one comes in off the street. It's a place for Sonny to have his office and a great kitchen so he can whip up Italian specialties to rival Olivia's. I guess the coffee warehouse is too industrial for the Eastern Seaboard's most feared mob boss.

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JMO

JMO

Someone please take a scissor to Lucky's hair.  Or at least a comb.

Loved everything else about his scenes with Elizabeth, and they brought back memories of when they were young.  Their love began as friendship in round one, and it looks like we'll be getting that again.  I'm in.

Still no more reunions with Lulu, and now I'm wondering if we'll get them.  I don't care if she wants to go and yell at Nina.  I want to see her embrace her best friend, and her stepmother.  Then she can go and yell at whomever she likes.

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Desperado

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1 hour ago, CeChase said:

Oh I see, he wanted to give her Dante back.  I was trying to figure out what the point of all this was.  Well, that's crazy. 

Thanks for confirming, because I couldn’t figure it out either. Although, wouldn’t that only work if he had known she was awake and not taking her to an out of town facility? It’s not as if Dante would’ve remained a monk on an off chance she’d wake up?

I’m wasting time trying to figure this out because I really like Jeff Kober and that baseless and irredeemable act means he’s out, contrary to MB who can kill whomever and remain central in the show (yes, I’m bitter).

In other news, I was happy to see MEK back on my screen and I really enjoyed his scenes with GF.

I’m by no means a die hard Liz/Lucky fan, but when he started singing and the flashbacks came on, my cold and dead heart did skip a beat. Good job to both.

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

4 minutes ago, Desperado said:

In other news, I was happy to see MEK back on my screen and I really enjoyed his scenes with GF.

I'd enjoy those scenes much more if they'd stop having Martin call Laura "baby sister." Stop the infantilization of the women on this show: They'd never have Dante call Michael his baby brother.

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TVbitch

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The mutual delusional admiration society that is Sonny and Kristina is sick. 🤮

I think Liz should make Lucky work for it. I mean, he did not come back for her. He did not in any way let her know he was thinking of her in all this time. If it were me, I would go all Taylor Dayne and make his prove his love, gotta prove your love! Okay who am I kidding, we'd already be in bed ..but I would keep my housecoat on.    

 

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Josh371982

Josh371982

11 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

The mutual delusional admiration society that is Sonny and Kristina is sick. 🤮

I think Liz should make Lucky work for it. I mean, he did not come back for her. He did not in any way let her know he was thinking of her in all this time. If it were me, I would go all Taylor Dayne and make his prove his love, gotta prove your love! Okay who am I kidding, we'd already be in bed ..but I would keep my housecoat on.    

 

Liz could have him Tell it to her heart, and Don't Rush her lol. Then She could be his Shelter 

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GHScorpiosRule

GHScorpiosRule

OMGEEEE!!!! Teen Lucky and Elizabeth!!! Such BABIES!!!!! I love that we have flashbacks of the characters played by the same actors!! My heart! Oh my heart!

In Love Hearts GIF
 

Color me shocked Show remembered who Phyllis is and gave us a throwaway line that she went back to Nixon Falls.

I KNEW it was Cyrus! I knew it! So much for him being a red herring, eh, @jsbt?😉

And is it me or is Martin’s Southern accent coming back? I could have sworn I heard a drawl in there somewhere.

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JMO

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4 hours ago, CeChase said:

Oh I see, he wanted to give her Dante back.  I was trying to figure out what the point of all this was.  Well, that's crazy. 

This actually makes quite a bit of crazy Cyrus sense.  But then we're left with him trying to abscond with Lulu to South Carolina, which would have put greater distance between the two.

I am suspicious that Cyrus had something to do with the length of Lulu's coma, and her sudden awakening, but can't tie it to Sam. 

Does anyone else think that Kai failed the experiment, and will be relegated back to the football field?  Or am I just projecting?

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DanaK

DanaK

24 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Color me shocked Show remembered who Phyllis is and gave us a throwaway line that she went back to Nixon Falls.

She ended up not doing much after taking over Charlie’s didn’t she? And I don’t even remember the last time she was on screen. I liked her and wish we could have seen more of her

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Bringonthedrama

Bringonthedrama

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I'd enjoy those scenes much more if they'd stop having Martin call Laura "baby sister." Stop the infantilization of the women on this show: They'd never have Dante call Michael his baby brother.

I actually see/saw it as affection by Martin, not infantilization, because he doesn't look down on Laura and clearly adores her. IRL, I was close to someone (she passed away more than a decade ago now) who always referred to her youngest sibling as "my baby sister M----."  She said it with affection.

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sashabear21

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It really bugs the way that everyone coddles Kristina rather than telling her some home truths and/or getting her a gift card for 10 free sessions with Kevin. I've known several people like that in real life who people always tiptoed around when they were upset and made excuses for them, "well you know that's just how they are" and it did them no favors because now they wonder why no one ever wants to hang out with them and it's because no one wants to put up with their delusional reactionary bullshit tantrums.  This version of Kristina would have definitely needed to join a cult in order to make any friends.  

Oh my 90's L&L2 loving heart. Please don't screw this up show, or at the very least give us some time to enjoy it before screwing it up! 

I'm onboard with making Cyrus evil again, I don't know where that will leave room for the character onscreen, but Prison Preacher Cyrus is not working for me (and I've been a Jeff Kober fan since China Beach).  

I'm glad Alexis is understanding that Molly just wants to move on and that she is grieving a whole lot of things right now and is allowed to do that in her own way. 

 

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bybrandy

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Dax and Joss are boring. I actually kind of vibe Trina and Gio more than the football player but I’m not against them I am just never, ever going to care about this art project or collegiate sports. 
 

I like Martin almost as much as I dislike Cyrus. 
 

But I’d be lying if I said I was here for any reason L&L2.  I want it to be bumpy and I need Luckt to spend some time with Aiden and I’d like Lizes other boys too but yeah I’m here for them, literally. 
 

but these flashbacks did remind me JJ had stupid hair then too. 

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ciarra

ciarra

Young Lucky looks more like Gio than Dante or Cody.

Dex wanders to the other side of the room to look sad about Christmas and Gio and Trina have practically finished decorating the tree.

Kristina:  I am not coddled.

Sonny:  Here's an LGBTQ shelter, here's your own gastro pub.

Kristina is the new Carly, making her way in life, completely on her own.

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tessaray

tessaray

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1 hour ago, JMO said:

This actually makes quite a bit of crazy Cyrus sense.  But then we're left with him trying to abscond with Lulu to South Carolina, which would have put greater distance between the two.

I am suspicious that Cyrus had something to do with the length of Lulu's coma, and her sudden awakening, but can't tie it to Sam. 

While I hate that Cyrus is really guilty, my theory is that he's BSC and keeping Lulu in a coma, moving her to SC is due to his mommy and Laura issues. (Lulu being a Laura substitute. ) Killing Sam is just anger at her potentially helping Lulu to escape his clutches? 🤷‍♀️ I don't know... it makes as much sense as anything else.

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Cheyanne11

Cheyanne11

I'm happy to see that, despite 4 years in a coma, upon awakening Lulu instinctively knew she had to go bitch out Nina.  If only Julian were still alive, too...

BH looked so pretty today in that pea coat and scarf with her hair pulled back.  I know they are, but she and JJ don't look old enough to have kids in their twenties (IRL).

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

9 hours ago, absnow54 said:

Kristina: I have regrets. 
Sonny: Yeah, what you said to Molly was pretty cold. 
Kristina: No, I meant that. I am blameless. I regret how right I always am. 
Sonny: Finally. The child I’ve always wanted. 

She really is her father's daughter.

She moved really fast from my father beat up Dex to a bloody pulp and I'm so upset about it to my father murdering an FBI agent is a great thing and he might bump off Ava, so I'll just nod in approval while I sip my coffee and keep reminding him how she pushed me out the window.

I'm supposed to root for this? Never mind that Kristina keeps failing upward and that Ava did not push her out the window. But if the writers tell us enough times that that's what happened, maybe we'll start believing it.

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