S04.E12: Don't Cry for Me, Sirocco

[Yours Truly]

17 minutes ago, Marvin said:

I think that it is unfair the June is the one to go. Anastasia was the one to mess up the cooking, not June. Anastasia was the one who said she could do the job, not June. Anastasia was the reason a new crew member had to be brought in - not June. 

June hasn't done anything wrong, Anastasia has, therefore she should be the one to go. She created the mess in the first place ! 

As for the smoking pan, she was keeping an eye on it, she wasn't ignoring it. And as for the rest of the stuff, she is just a little slow, but i think most of that is the editing for the show, she hasn't done anything really wrong at all !

I'm right there with you. Sure she's messed up, made mistakes, some lame excuses cause she's too scared to own up to some stuff for fear of looking stupid but as frustrating as that is it's not like she's top of the list of the heinous. Travis, Jack, even Aesha and Stasia has a not so nice little streak in her as well. For some reason tho, struggling and social awkwardness are usually deemed the worse offenses. Worthy of bully like tendencies from others. Some people don't notice that ostracizing reactions are a form of unhealthy behavior.   

[Yours Truly]

13 minutes ago, Special K said:

I do agree with this.  If you take a promotion and you're replaced, your old job is filled.  If you screw up the job you're promoted into, you don't have the right to go back to the other job.  At least not in most workplaces.  Last in, first out really only applies with people doing the same job.

I think Anastasia is now the one who is "redundant."  Failing at that job was the risk she took by taking it, and she should have offered to leave the boat when she talked to Sandy about it.  It seems, though, that there was an unspoken (or unaired) agreement between Sandy and Anastasia that Sandy had a chef "on call" because I think Sandy said something like, "I'll see if that chef is still available."

If this is the case, that they had a chef waiting in the wings for when Anastasia inevitably cried "Uncle," then even more they should have warned June that it might be a very temporary gig.

This point exactly!!!!!

[biakbiak]

Given how June has not taken responsibility for a bunch of stuff and been flaky and does not pay attention to basic shit it wouldn’t surprise me if in fact they did tell her it would be an extremely temporary gig.

[FairyDusted]

That's the thing. June can't handle the lowest rung job. Refuses to handle the radio and doesn't know when to take action. Just stare and watch the smoke while she tries to tell time. No one LIKES to be fired.

Travis needs a ticket off the boat immediately. There is no excuse for his behavior.  

[HunterHunted]

Jack's half-assed cleaning reminded me of this.

[dleighg]

given that it was "you know who" supposedly "waiting in the wings," yeah they were definitely waiting for the inevitable underqualified-chef meltdown. But to be honest, June was applying for a TV show, not a real job. Characters get "killed off" all the time 🙂 

Edited August 20, 2019 by dleighg

[langford peel]

14 minutes ago, dleighg said:

given that it was "you know who" supposedly "waiting in the wings," yeah they were definitely waiting for the inevitable underqualified-chef meltdown. 

I know right! It is like we are watching “It” and we are waiting for the clown to climb out of the sewer!

[Haute Messe]

18 hours ago, nytonc said:

 Who will Hannah hate if June is gone? 

Ben?

[langford peel]

I think based on past performance everyone is going to hate Ben.

[Diane Mars]

My two cents on it : Colin will talk to Sandy, And Sandy will tell him that's OK to leave, even if she doesn't like it, but it won't get June back. Colin stays. Why do I say that ? Because June hasn't any twitter or public SM account, afaik, lol !

[BluBrd47]

1 hour ago, dsteele said:

Seriously? I'm trying to think of a professional environment I've had in the last thirty years where it's not okay. Layoffs and firings happen all the time and for any reason the company can come up with. The only exception would be a union job, and those are few and far between these days. And the general rule is, 'Last Hired, First Fired', which certainly fits June's situation.

That doesn't mean June doesn't have a right to be mad or upset, but welcome to the modern job market.

And this is why I hate corporate America. Managers can just do whatever they want and keep on people who are part of the in clique even though they can’t seem to make a decision about if they want to be a chef, a third stew, and tells customers they have “a kick in the ass” coming. I’ve actually never worked at a company where seniority mattered much- that sounds like nepotism. Anastasia was just as flaky as June was in her flip flopping.

Edited August 20, 2019 by BluBrd47

[4N6MAL]

8 hours ago, Special K said:

They were also the only group drunk enough to puke on deck. 

The seas were super rough that morning on top of being a little hung-over or still drunk. But the seas were rough.

[spunky]

6 hours ago, PaperTree said:

Here in the Northeast, it's usually said "quarter after", and "quarter til or quarter of", but "quarter past" would totally be understood.

I get that, I live in NYC now and people are not confused when I say any of that.  June just seems lost most of the time. 

[spunky]

4 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

I think so too which is why she's so focused on people understanding that she's a good person. She knows her slowness will frustrate and aggravate people but hopes that they are the type of people who respond to the type of person someone is first and not just on their abilities. She NEEDS that learning curve but unfortunately it's more common for people to berate and be negative than it is for people to step back and figure out a more diplomatic way to offer feedback and criticism. You can tell off the bat that she had some anxiety about how she would be received.

The pan situation was so sad to see cause you can tell she just decided it wasn't her place to override what Anastasia started.  I believe in her mind June was all well I guess this is what she's meant for it to do and I don't want to mess with what she's got going on. I don't think she trusts herself to make decisions which is why she like direct instruction. I hope she eventually finds her stride when it comes to dealing with things and finds whatever works for her. She's got some challenges in front of her for sure. 

She seems to love yachting and may have thrived under a different supervisor, who didn't just leave her to her own devices. Unfortunately yachting is such a fast paced environment, that may not be suitable for her. 

[spunky]

5 hours ago, njbchlover said:

I don't get it, and I'm kind of pissed at Aesha, as well.  I don't understand how someone who has experienced a crime of violence against women (rape being an act of violence) could possibly condone Travis' behavior, whether drunk or not!  

I really don't like Aesha at all - she continually goes low, with her sexual innuendos or flat out overtly sexual comments and behaviors, and now, she defends a drunkard slapping a woman, claiming "love tap"??  I have no respect for a woman that goes along with that.

She saw how shocked and upset Ana was, and yet, she still defends Travis?  

I'm not always a fan of Joao, but good for him for snapping at Travis!!

Also, so very sad that Colin seemed to have reached his breaking point with this low rent crew.   

What's even more sickening, is that on the after show she continues to defend Travis and attack Joao. She even went as far as to say that Joao just wants to be a hero and that he only says her behavior is disgusting because he can't be with her, both on the after show and on twitter. Travis had the audacity to say that hitting people as a "joke" is Australian culture, meanwhile Hannah his fellow Aussie was not amused. Ana said she taught that Joao under reacted in that moment, I guess she was expecting him to beat the stuffing out of Travis. 

[spunky]

7 hours ago, missyb said:

Can you say June June, Joao ?? June,June,Joao?

Colin made the oh so gallant offer because he hated being on the boat. Almost from day one he was questioning why he was there. The yachtie life was not for him and he knew it. The Bravolebrity part? Thats another story.

If Colin leaves, we may hear a few announcements of " man over board" if Joao has to be stuck with Beavis, Butthead and June. 

[ParadoxLost]

2 hours ago, Special K said:

If this is the case, that they had a chef waiting in the wings for when Anastasia inevitably cried "Uncle," then even more they should have warned June that it might be a very temporary gig.

I will never believe that they had Ben hanging around waiting to be called in if they needed him.  And that is the story they are trying to sell.  

I'm not as certain that it was a given that it was a temp gig for June.  They made it clear she had stew and deck experience on purpose.-

I think if she had been an undeniably fabulous yachty or had romantic sparks with someone, they would have kept Ana and the issues with either Jack or Travis come to a head and fire one of them and move June to deck.

As it was June was struggling and there wasn't enough of a reason, dramatically, to give up Jack/Aesha or Travis's drunken messiness or Ana dealing with being demoted back to 3rd stew even if it was her choice.

[snarts]

3 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

The consistent pattern is that she doesn't process quickly. Why is that translated into something she should be treated meanly for and deserving of nasty reactions? Her lame explanations are stemming from her insecurities and embarrassment over making stupid mistakes. 

The issue with June is that she got uber defensive when critiqued on simple tasks.  Rather than just moving on, she'd snap back, often with some nonsensical excuse.  That's why she received the reaction she did from her co-workers.  June is a slow processor but she defensively acts like a brat. She'll continue to have issues in the service industry, especially in yachting where you need to respond quickly in often changing conditions. 

Happy to hear Colin found a mate.  He genuinely seems like a nice guy.

[Jobiska]

I try to be a kind person too, but I am also a pragmatic one.  I don't expect June to be happy or singing Kumbaya, but (setting aside of course that this is a TV appearance and going along with the supposition that it is a real job) I would expect her to behave professionally.  I've been let go from jobs, and for more ridiculous reasons than this; but I have never said to the boss letting me go that it was "bullshit."  You just don't do that!  Well, I don't.  And then to go on and on about how Hannah and others surely knew about it--yeah, Hannah didn't manage her well, but she certainly wasn't conspiring against her here.  

And sure, having a neuro-atypical son myself, I'm all for understanding and inclusion of people with all sorts of minds, and for being patient with people who may have trouble getting a routine down or whatever.

But someone who continually doesn't answer the radio...someone who sees smoke, vaguely checks the vent, and then just squeezes juice--that is a safety issue and she is not right for that job.  That doesn't mean she's a bad person, and it also doesn't mean I hate her!   Not that Sandy knew about the smoke, but she did about the radio.  

[biakbiak]

51 minutes ago, spunky said:

Ana said she taught that Joao under reacted in that moment, I guess she was expecting him to beat the stuffing out of Travis. 

Or as his supervisor actually did something other than say “don’t do that”.

[biakbiak]

1 hour ago, langford peel said:

I think based on past performance everyone is going to hate Ben.

I am sure Joao will be a disgusted that he is neither a 7 star or Michelin chef two requirements he apparently believes are required of a yacht chef even though he clearly doesn’t know what those words mean. 

1 hour ago, Diane Mars said:

that ? Because June hasn't any twitter or public SM account, afaik, lol !

Her IG is public https://instagram.com/june__foster?igshid=l50x8lgc098y

[Haute Messe]

Related to the clock discussion - just saw this on the Big Brother page and thought it might be relevant here.

[biakbiak]

32 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

I'm not as certain that it was a given that it was a temp gig for June.

I mean they only film for six weeks and she was brought on about the halfway mark so it was always going to be a very short term gig. Which is why her reaction to Sandy was so over the top she clearly could drop whatever she was doing at a moments notice and knew it was only a handful of weeks at the most.

Edited August 20, 2019 by biakbiak

[ParadoxLost]

51 minutes ago, spunky said:

. Travis had the audacity to say that hitting people as a "joke" is Australian culture, meanwhile Hannah his fellow Aussie was not amused. 

In the first five minutes, Ana was playing at punching Travis.  It was entirely one sided on Ana's part.I don't think she actually connected with Travis or if she did it was accidental or gentle.  There is evidence to believe that playing at hitting people is joking to them and a way they interact with each other.

But putting that aside,it was still wrong.  And it happened because Travis drinks beyond the point of being able to control himself.

Travis is responding like someone desperate to deny they have a drinking problem rather than as someone that doesn't have a drinking problem.

[BodhiGurl]

I still believe Ben was contracted to be on the show before filming even started, however he wasn't available for the entire run, thus this stupidity. I'm sure Ana was slated to move back to her 3rd stew position as soon as Ben was available. The guests of this recent charter and their complaints seemed inauthentic, almost scripted. Pffft. And Colin. Dude. Did I miss the scenes where June June expressed her "passion" for yachting? Because she seems pretty checked out 24-7. Sandy is right back into that "I loathe her lane" as far as I'm concerned. I wish they'd find someone else.

Cap'n Lee spoke out on Twitter about Travis' slap:
 

[AZChristian]

I'm retired, but worked with all kinds of people during my career.  We had a "June" in our department.  Couldn't remember to do the simplest things, and we all had to do her job in addition to our own to keep the workflow going; she was by far the weak link in the chain.  

If she couldn't remember to keep her radio turned on and her earpiece in, she was a safety hazard.  That was Sandy's big gripe.  Suppose they had needed her help in the episode where one of the crewmen was pulled off the back of the boat when his foot got tangled in a rope?  There was no extra person in that situation to go looking for her.  She needed to be as aware as every other crew member of potential safety concerns.

I think the last nail went in her coffin when Captain Sandy found all those chairs pulled out after June had been cleaning the floor in the dining area.  When Sandy asked her to put them back, she said "Okay."  Sandy stood there and said, "Can you do that NOW?"  When the boss asks you to do something, it's implied that you do it.  NOW.

She constantly looked like she didn't understand what she was being told to do, and actually said that she didn't recognize her own name over the radio.  It's June.  Not that tricky.

[VagueDisclaimer]

4 hours ago, dsteele said:

Seriously? I'm trying to think of a professional environment I've had in the last thirty years where it's not okay. Layoffs and firings happen all the time and for any reason the company can come up with. The only exception would be a union job, and those are few and far between these days. And the general rule is, 'Last Hired, First Fired', which certainly fits June's situation.

That doesn't mean June doesn't have a right to be mad or upset, but welcome to the modern job market.

“Last One Hired is the First One Fired” is a very well known policy in most businesses. June learned something new!

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, snarts said:

The issue with June is that she got uber defensive when critiqued on simple tasks.  Rather than just moving on, she'd snap back, often with some nonsensical excuse.  That's why she received the reaction she did from her co-workers.  June is a slow processor but she defensively acts like a brat. She'll continue to have issues in the service industry, especially in yachting where you need to respond quickly in often changing conditions. 

Happy to hear Colin found a mate.  He genuinely seems like a nice guy.

Even her lame attempts at explaining isn’t that big of a deal. To me it’s more like a stretch to justify being mean spirited to another person. Look it wasn’t lost in me the June got defensive. That it wasn’t exactly a good look but she wasn’t ridiculously nasty or rude she was just showing her own frustrations with the situation. I guess to some people it doesn’t make sense but to me it was pretty harmless. Aggravating sure but no where near the point where all bets were off and she should be considered someone undeserving of any sort of tolerance. I chalked up her defensiveness as being hugely driven by her own insecurities. People don’t have to be tolerant and whatever reasoning they give themselves is fine. My criteria is my criteria which isn’t the same as everyone else’s. It’s unfortunate but it’s the way of the world.. 

[DeeplyShallow]

12 hours ago, 65mickey said:

People June's age didn't grow up with analog clocks and watches. They weren't taught to say quarter past the hour or half past the hour. They know 6:15 and 6:30 by looking at a digital clock. Sort of a lost skill. Your math lesson makes since to me because I grew up years ago and this was the way telling time was taught. So I wouldn't think this is the worst mistake that June could make. 

My 9 year old learned to tell time using analogue clocks and watches in school. It’s perhaps not as common as it was back in the day but it’s still being used. Same with cursive in school. I just don’t buy it- even if she never saw an analogue clock face, surely she should know that there are 60 min in an hour, 1/2 hour= 30 min...and quarter is 15 min. A 20 something that doesn’t know this is beyond my comprehension. It’s basic math.

[Yours Truly]

15 hours ago, Jobiska said:

I try to be a kind person too, but I am also a pragmatic one.  I don't expect June to be happy or singing Kumbaya, but (setting aside of course that this is a TV appearance and going along with the supposition that it is a real job) I would expect her to behave professionally.  I've been let go from jobs, and for more ridiculous reasons than this; but I have never said to the boss letting me go that it was "bullshit."  You just don't do that!  Well, I don't.  And then to go on and on about how Hannah and others surely knew about it--yeah, Hannah didn't manage her well, but she certainly wasn't conspiring against her here.  

And sure, having a neuro-atypical son myself, I'm all for understanding and inclusion of people with all sorts of minds, and for being patient with people who may have trouble getting a routine down or whatever.

But someone who continually doesn't answer the radio...someone who sees smoke, vaguely checks the vent, and then just squeezes juice--that is a safety issue and she is not right for that job.  That doesn't mean she's a bad person, and it also doesn't mean I hate her!   Not that Sandy knew about the smoke, but she did about the radio.  

I just think that there are those who view Junes challenges with insight and objectivity and then those who believe she deserves to be roasted at the stake with no remorse. I get shes frustrating, what I don’t get is trying to paint her in a bad light based off of what are obvious issues she struggles with. I do think she could be a liability and the real world doesn’t allow for too much hand holding but some of the reactions to her are unnecessarily ugly and I just find it sad. I’m a practical person too and I do get annoyed with people who aren’t self aware and don’t seem to have a handle on certain things by a certain age but I don’t just unleash my aggravation first thing. I pride myself on pacing my reactions. Am I a saint no but I don’t jump directly into “not my problem” mode either and allow myself to treat others poorly cause I’ve deemed them too stupid and can’t be bothered. 

Thats where my perspective comes from. There has been some pretty basic observations about June without it being laced with disdain. Which is refreshing. I save my disdain for the likes of Travis and his absolutely garish behavior. Aesha’s inappropriate defense of Travis and Jacks all around existence. June doesn’t even register considering her faux paus, to me, don’t really Don’t fall into the realm of raising anyone’s blood pressure at least not compared to the real assholes that are on board.

Edited August 21, 2019 by Yours Truly

[Mr. Miner]

3 hours ago, 4N6MAL said:

The seas were super rough that morning on top of being a little hung-over or still drunk. But the seas were rough.

“The sea was angry that day my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli”. G. Costanza - Marine Biologist

Edited August 21, 2019 by Mr. Minor

[biakbiak]

8 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

just think that there are those who view Junes challenges with insight and objectivity and then those who believe she deserves to be roasted at the stake with no remorse

She hasn’t been treated unkindly by her coworkers. I don’t think she should be roasted at the stake I think she should be held accountable for her actions and not be rewarded for an inability to do a good job and having her constant excuses dismissed as just nerves and insecurities.

Edited August 21, 2019 by biakbiak

[gingerella]

I wanna like Colin but he's suuuuuuuch a fucking pussy. I cannot imagine him getting busy with any woman because he has zero game, zero confidence, it's just sad. This is what happens when mommy's smother their sons. He's a nice guy, yes, but its painful to watch him around women. And the fact that he thinks he should quit so the object of his affection can take his job is preposterous! Can you even imagine June June Hannah trying to work with the deck team to dock that behemoth into one of those those skinny St. Tropez slips again? No fucking way. She's a menace to the safety of the crew and guests, to be frank.

Travis needs to be fired. And I continue to be perplexed out the ass by Aesha and her double standards. I find it incomprehensible that someone who was raped, can also side with a man who slaps her friend across the face whilst drunk. You would think she'd be more sensitive to men and how they react to women after her own experience, and yet she sides with Travis? I don't get that at all.

Hannah is looking like a friggin' rose this season, surrounded by all these morons.

[Yours Truly]

2 hours ago, lizajane said:

Related to the clock discussion - just saw this on the Big Brother page and thought it might be relevant here.

Not for nothing but that video completely describes why people wouldn’t be comfortable being open about something like this. I mean the whole time he’s berating her and doesn’t hide his contempt at the idea that she doesn’t understand it. I mean why is he taking it so hard?? Why is he so distraught and disgusted? People do this all the time when they find out someone doesn’t understand what is supposedly “universal” knowledge. I never understood the need to strongly display such judgement. He’s laying there cool with her and they are obviously having an okay exchange but he can’t  help but continue to insert some pretty rude commentary about it being such a ridiculous conversation the whole time.  Sad shame.

Edited August 21, 2019 by Yours Truly

[Yours Truly]

29 minutes ago, DeeplyShallow said:

My 9 year old learned to tell time using analogue clocks and watches in school. It’s perhaps not as common as it was back in the day but it’s still being used. Same with cursive in school. I just don’t buy it- even if she never saw an analogue clock face, surely she should know that there are 60 min in an hour, 1/2 hour= 30 min...and quarter is 15 min. A 20 something that doesn’t know this is beyond my comprehension. It’s basic math.

Yeah but if u met someone in person with this issue would it get under ur skin? 

14 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

She hasn’t been treated unkindly by her coworkers. I don’t think she should be roasted at the stake I think she should be held accountable for her actions and not be rewarded for an inability to do a good job and having her constant excuses dismissed as just nerves and insecurities.

Welp she’s being let go so there’s that. That will make plenty of people happy. I wish her well. 

[Sunnykm]

15 hours ago, BluBrd47 said:

I understand June’s point despite her being a ditz. I don’t think Anastasia should just be able to pick and choose what she does at will. She knew that she wasn’t going to be able to hack being a chef from the beginning and she should never have accepted the position. And if she couldn’t deal with it as she anticipated than she shouldn’t have just expected her old position to still be open for her. That’s not the way life off a reality show works and she should have gone home.

If June had been a decent stew, she maybe should have been kept--however, she was not good at all at her job and constantly being out of contact with her radio was not acceptable at all (what if there had been any emergency, like a kitchen fire?).

Really, if June had been great at her job captain Sandy would have had a big decision to make but letting a sub-standard employee go was probably (and looked) pretty easy.

[MeLikesTV]

3 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Her IG is public https://instagram.com/june__foster?igshid=l50x8lgc098y

From June’s Instagram and in addition to things she has said on the show, she seems to still be mourning her father’s death. I think that we all empathize with her, but unfortunately it affected her work- enough for Sandy to choose Anastasia’s work performance over hers. Life can suck at times. Unfortunately for her, it’s being played out on tv. 

[BluBrd47]

15 minutes ago, Sunnykm said:

If June had been a decent stew, she maybe should have been kept--however, she was not good at all at her job and constantly being out of contact with her radio was not acceptable at all (what if there had been any emergency, like a kitchen fire?).

Really, if June had been great at her job captain Sandy would have had a big decision to make but letting a sub-standard employee go was probably (and looked) pretty easy.

I agree that she was a subpar employee. But I would have had more respect for Sandy if she had said that they were keeping Anastasia because she was more suited to the job. I get it that you can hire and fire at will but I don’t respect the shady way everyone made it look like a seniority issue if it was really about who was the better stew. And Sandy shouldn’t have gone out of her way to say she would give June a good reference. How are other employers supposed to trust Sandy’s word now knowing that she isn’t honest about people’s job performances?

1 hour ago, VagueDisclaimer said:

“Last One Hired is the First One Fired” is a very well known policy in most businesses. June learned something new!

Again, I’ve never worked for a company that employed this policy. If long time employees are able to be slackers and flaky simply because they have seniority that sounds like a very dysfunctional way to run a business.

Edited August 21, 2019 by BluBrd47

[VagueDisclaimer]

58 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Welp she’s being let go so there’s that. That will make plenty of people happy. I wish her well. 

This response is very similar to June’s response to both Hannah and Capt Sandy, that criticism of her job performance is a personal attack and if they only knew she was a nice girl, they wouldn’t say such things. It’s not like posters have some kind of June voodoo doll, wishing badness on her and celebrating her sadness. She sucked at this job, it was unpleasant to watch, now she’ll likely be leaving. That’s about as much commitment to “hating on” June that i’ve witnessed 🤷🏻‍♀️

22 minutes ago, Sunnykm said:

If June had been a decent stew, she maybe should have been kept--however, she was not good at all at her job and constantly being out of contact with her radio was not acceptable at all (what if there had been any emergency, like a kitchen fire?).

Really, if June had been great at her job captain Sandy would have had a big decision to make but letting a sub-standard employee go was probably (and looked) pretty easy.

To be fair, Capt Sandy said that June could’ve been the best at the job and this would’ve still been how it went down. All of this goes to Capt Sandy being an incredibly poor manager, more concerned with her screen time than anything. 

Speaking of, did anyone catch that Capt Sandy favorite moments clip show after the episode last night? It was so incredibly awkward, I cringed hard and wished her thirst would be sated already. 

Edited August 21, 2019 by VagueDisclaimer

[65mickey]

1 hour ago, DeeplyShallow said:

My 9 year old learned to tell time using analogue clocks and watches in school. It’s perhaps not as common as it was back in the day but it’s still being used. Same with cursive in school. I just don’t buy it- even if she never saw an analogue clock face, surely she should know that there are 60 min in an hour, 1/2 hour= 30 min...and quarter is 15 min. A 20 something that doesn’t know this is beyond my comprehension. It’s basic math.

It's not that kids today don't know what an analog clock looks like or not knowing that one with the big hand on 3 and little hand on 6 means 6:15. It's that I don't think too many of them would say "let's meet at quarter past 6 for dinner or school starts at half past 8."  Isn't it far more common to say lets meet at 6:15 for dinner and school starts at 8:30?  I haven't heard half past the hour in years. Most people June's age use smart phones and apple watches for telling the time. They are not looking at analog clocks. Terminology changes with technology. 

[spunky]

4 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Or as his supervisor actually did something other than say “don’t do that”.

Her actual words were “For Joao I think that was an under reaction.” She said this in response to the interviewer asking if she thought that Joao overreacted to Travis slapping her. Of course Aesha thought he was overreacting to a “joke”. 

[spunky]

4 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

In the first five minutes, Ana was playing at punching Travis.  It was entirely one sided on Ana's part.I don't think she actually connected with Travis or if she did it was accidental or gentle.  There is evidence to believe that playing at hitting people is joking to them and a way they interact with each other.

But putting that aside,it was still wrong.  And it happened because Travis drinks beyond the point of being able to control himself.

Travis is responding like someone desperate to deny they have a drinking problem rather than as someone that doesn't have a drinking problem.

It’s one thing to lightly tap someone while playing (which I don’t agree with). It’s another thing to full on slap someone in the face. I’m with Captain Lee on this one, Travis needed a”love tap” of his own.

[hoosiermommy]

2 hours ago, gingerella said:

I wanna like Colin but he's suuuuuuuch a fucking pussy. I cannot imagine him getting busy with any woman because he has zero game, zero confidence, it's just sad. This is what happens when mommy's smother their sons. He's a nice guy, yes, but its painful to watch him around women. And the fact that he thinks he should quit so the object of his affection can take his job is preposterous! Can you even imagine June June Hannah trying to work with the deck team to dock that behemoth into one of those those skinny St. Tropez slips again? No fucking way. She's a menace to the safety of the crew and guests, to be frank.

Travis needs to be fired. And I continue to be perplexed out the ass by Aesha and her double standards. I find it incomprehensible that someone who was raped, can also side with a man who slaps her friend across the face whilst drunk. You would think she'd be more sensitive to men and how they react to women after her own experience, and yet she sides with Travis? I don't get that at all.

Hannah is looking like a friggin' rose this season, surrounded by all these morons.

I believe that Colin wants to quit because the people around him are aweful. He’s just seen a drunk hit a woman and two people defend the behavior. He is over.it. He is giving up a good life for the duration of charter season and the payoff of getting to spend 24/7 with drunk and belligerent Travis, lazy Jack and classless Aesha. 

Yeah, I’d be done too.

[hoosiermommy]

Anastasia dealt with Travis masterfully. She stayed focused on the problem (she didn’t jump to the physical abuse and kept the focus on the underlying issue—his abuse of alcohol). She didn’t blow it off, and make light of it. She was very mature...and Travis, like a true drunk, used his talking head to tell the world his drinking wasn’t a problem.

I tend to believe Joao’s redemption, if only because Colin is a good person and Does not strike me as an enabler of jerks.

Colin is my favorite. His like about no girls seeming to realize how handsome his mother thinks he is, was charming. If I were younger, he’d be mine!

I work for an employer who has hired some people into jobs that are a bad fit. Without fail, if that employee is a good employee (works hard, has something to contribute to the team), a better fitting job will be found for them. Anastasia still had something to add to the team. June, while nice, wasn’t just in a bad-fit position, she was a safety hazard. 

[Hagosaurus]

4 hours ago, biakbiak said:

She hasn’t been treated unkindly by her coworkers. I don’t think she should be roasted at the stake I think she should be held accountable for her actions and not be rewarded for an inability to do a good job and having her constant excuses dismissed as just nerves and insecurities.

I've lit my torch and grabbed my pitchfork. I am ready to make that dum-dum pay for being such a stupid face.😝

[smores]

On 8/19/2019 at 9:46 PM, movingtargetgal said:

Travis slapped Ana in the face and there are NO excuses.  He was drunk and angry at Hannah so he lashed out at Ana.  Travis is an angry belligerent drunk which is a problem for him and those around him. He knows he gets this way when he drinks yet makes the choice to keep drinking.  

Jwow and Hannah should have immediately informed Sandy that Travis assaulted Ana.  He should have been fired.  

I found this really strange.  On other seasons they have invoked the "I'm your superior" thing and told the offending person what to do.  So I was really surprised that Joao and Hannah didn't basically step in and force Travis back to the boat and into his room until they had a chance to talk to Sandy about the issue.  That's what I would have done, were I in their shoes.  

On 8/19/2019 at 10:04 PM, spunky said:

I’m officially over Aesha. She thinks it’s okay that Travis slapped Anastasia, and is mad at Joao because he was ready to beat the snot out of Travis because it was a “joke”. Nothing about a man hitting a woman is funny. The same way Jack’s tasteless rape joke wasn’t funny. Those three are just trash and need to be fired instead of June. Joao was taking names this episode, he was just ready for those two clowns. I personally feel as though João wanted to knock either Travis or Jack out a long time ago, he just needed a reason. I guess he didn’t have bail money.

It's particularly egregious to me given that he hit her in the face with the seat of the van when they were headed out for the evening.  Hannah and Aesha both were making a big deal (rightly so), about it.  Travis blew it off, Jack just kept trying to ask if they could be on a double date.  Hannah kept trying to get him to apologize for hitting Aesha in the face, which resulted in Travis saying "I don't see any bruising, so it's fine"  And yet Aesha then says that if she was the person who was slapped no one would make this fuss? Fuck right off.  

On 8/19/2019 at 10:40 PM, mbaywife123 said:

It's like her mind moves in an alternate universe.

Fresh juice or pan smoking on cooktop leading to a possible fire, what should one do?

Perhaps use the juice to address the fire?

17 hours ago, VagueDisclaimer said:

That said, my dad is in his 70s and has always had a mental block when it came to referencing time by quarters. If i said we were meeting at, say, a quarter to 1:00, he always clarifies out loud “12:45”. To be fair, he has never thought the quarter in time meant 25. That might just be a June ~specialty. 

I'm really weird about telling time.  I can look at the clock or my watch and I KNOW what time it is, but I can't translate it into words right away, I have to think about it sometimes.  It drives my husband nuts.  He'll ask what time it is and I'm fairly likely to just hold out my arm so he can read my watch.  If I do answer, sometimes it's an awkward phrasing, like "ten past two thirty" instead of 2:40.  I don't know why, but it's like there's a weird block there.

16 hours ago, dleighg said:

amen. I am so over "this generation" stuff. I know it seems to happen to every generation, but it's ridiculous.

LOL! I'm part of the generation that couldn't do math without a calculator.  I used to get asked what I would do if I didn't have a calculator and did I think I'd always have one with me?  I'd say yes, I planned to.  (I always thought it was a weird question given that people had calculator watches back in the 80s)  Turns out that yep, we pretty much do always have calculators with us everywhere now with our phones, so HA! I was right.  I've pointed this out to my parents several times.

16 hours ago, rehoboth said:

I think they had a criticism for everything she served them where before it was just like " could you cook my steak a little more?"  Anastasia felt the pressure of constantly being judged.

That's part of the job when you are a chef, though.  Even if you do everything right and execute the dish perfectly, the guest just might not like it.  I've had things that I've ordered at a restaurant and it turns out that I just didn't like it.  The food was made properly, it was me who didn't like it.  Sometimes you have preferences, where 98% of people would think it's seasoned properly and the guest you have think the food is bland.  If that's the case, you need to adjust and season to their taste.  I have a relative that drowns everything in salt, I swear they must go through a shaker a month.  If I tasted any food that they had on their plate, I'd think I was trying to eat a salt lick.  Meanwhile, I rarely salt anything once it's on my plate, so they think everything I eat is bland.

[Kdawg82]

I see things a bit differently WRT June & Anastasia. 

I see no kindness, humor, encouraging attitude, general positivity (except on herself when trying to tell herself "*I* got this!") I see an ice cold, disingenuous person when I see Anastasia. Putting others down and "I don't have time for this" or "I'm doing a job that requires actual BRAIN power" upon getting promoted to chef. Even putting down Aesha with that comment, who even now, praised having their "dream team back together" & "we missed you!" Anastasia just looks out for #1...Anastasia. & The chef role was for cred, not kindness of her heart. She bluntly told Travis off about his drinking but that's all the credit I'll give. She knew she was being filmed and it was her "duty to those who've had their personal space violated." I just don't like this girl's demeanor. And with her talking head "duh" to Cpt. Sandy over the "struggles in the galley" comment.  No wonder she can't take criticism and deflects and blames...she's damn full of herself without the account to cash those checks her mouth writes. 

I see why June left the pan on stove. Ana could've been working on something and stepped away briefly. After her attitude toward June in general and even once when June asked "are guests up?" Ana sniped "how should *I* know? I'm in the galley!" June said "It looked like you were plating a plate of food. " June is sick and f'n tired of explaining herself to these cold stones. Treating her like an idiot at every turn. I've been there and done that. I think June has an overall gentle nature and is kind. Being an author and activist does take smarts. No one except on these forums has brought attention to June's accomplishments-also pointing out her passion for the industry and the ocean. She's pretty, a newbie to the boat & an easy target for mean girls.

Travis should've been gone especially after the slap heard round the world. Can't believe he couldn't muster a "sorry" for hitting Aesha with the car's seat. A**ho*e! Jack is lazy & in heat...bad combo.  Still, the romance between him and Aesha is sweet and refreshing. 

Colin's over it & I'm over it. 

I miss BD original when it was season 1-3. 

[luvthepros]

On 8/19/2019 at 10:32 PM, tabloidlover said:

It doesn’t even make sense.  You can’t swap a stew for a lead deckhand.  Totally different job description and skill set.  🙄

I thought June said she had experience as a stew and a deck hand. No?

[luvthepros]

On 8/19/2019 at 10:40 PM, breezy424 said:

25?  Cause it's a quarter?  Ok June.  Your mind just works 'differently'.   Eye roll.

She may have been thinking 25 is one quarter of 100. Now, how that has anything to do about telling time is anyone's guess.

[luvthepros]

On 8/19/2019 at 11:29 PM, spunky said:

She literally just stood there juicing oranges while the galley filled up with smoke 

Who does that????