S09.E06: Fifty Shades Of Shade

[nexxie]

27 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

it becomes dastardly when you see the pattern of her behavior and starting to "groom" the housewife ...they become her new "bestie" get a cute nick name and get rubbed in Kyles face ....its a proven freaking pattern with her 

It’s so creepy how LVP plays with people as if they were toys - she “love bombs” them, both to groom the next tool and to keep “friends” in line through jealousy. But, once the toys are no longer compliant (Teddi right now), LVP gets vicious and punishing. 

[gritz]

Denise, fried and dicknotized!

Poor little (Cry)Baby Doll - she got more than she bargained for in her sloppy quest for a storyline. At least she was granted Dorit's forgiveness, and pats on the head from Erika and Rinna.

If LVP's goal was to get doggygate played out on the show, then how come her Magical Pink Wand of Manipulation didn't work on her own husband?

Do Tom and HarryHamlin ever accompany their wives to anything? 

Eloise looks like Charlie's daughter Cassandra when she was younger. Just sayin'.

[Giselle]

5 minutes ago, gritz said:

Denise, fried and dicknotized!

Poor little (Cry)Baby Doll - she got more than she bargained for in her sloppy quest for a storyline. At least she was granted Dorit's forgiveness, and pats on the head from Erika and Rinna.

If LVP's goal was to get doggygate played out on the show, then how come her Magical Pink Wand of Manipulation didn't work on her own husband?

Do Tom and HarryHamlin ever accompany their wives to anything? 

Eloise looks like Charlie's daughter Cassandra when she was younger. Just sayin'.

LVP doesn't fuck with Ken mentally or physically. 

[IKnowRight]

4 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Yes to this.  Dorit is a wrong asshole.  But I think there are two main themes going on here.  1) the dog (who is fine, so why should anyone be worried about it today? I am surprised so many people are wondering about that; I think it's obvious); 

(Not sure if you are saying this from your point of view or opining on what the other ladies are thinking about this.)

It’s not about the fact the Lucy ended up okay...everyone is glad she’s A-okay.  It’s about what could have happened to her.  More importantly, the dog was taken to a shelter, in another county, not to another woman’s wonderful home as Dorit claimed originally.  Dorit/PK were not concerned with her welfare and that is getting lost in the conversation.  

It is the carelessness of them with Lucy that upsets people. 

 For example, if your friend drove home drunk, after knowing 1)it’s breaking the rules/law 2)she knew she should have asked for a ride....you even offered her a ride...when she gets home without harming anyone else, herself or the car, is it still ok in the end?  After all, no harm, no foul?  Well, she’s fine, right?  No one was harmed, right?

That’s not the point.  I can think of lots of analogies, everything being okay in the end doesn’t excuse the bad original behavior of doing what’s wrong.

Lucy was lucky to end up back at VDP.  

Edited March 20, 2019 by IKnowRight
Not sure if Libertarian Slut was thinking this or explaining the housewives line of thought

[KungFuBunny]

One thing I want to mention...when the ladies were in the Bahamas and I saw the Kermit green mesh ensemble come out - I thought it was one and done.

I was horrified that we were subjected to a photo shoot with not one but two laundry hampers

Was this the only stock Dorit was able to steal out of John Ryan's warehouse?

[Giselle]

1 minute ago, KungFuBunny said:

One thing I want to mention...when the ladies were in the Bahamas and I saw the Kermit green mesh ensemble come out - I thought it was one and done.

I was horrified that we were subjected to a photo shoot with not one but two laundry hampers

Was this the only stock Dorit was able to steal out of John Ryan's warehouse?

And they are both filled with dirty laundry.

[Giselle]

1 hour ago, njbchlover said:

😊

Edited March 21, 2019 by Giselle

[njbchlover]

1 minute ago, Giselle said:

Yes, KFB alerted me to that up thread.

So sorry - I'll remove my post!  🙂

[Giselle]

Just now, njbchlover said:

So sorry - I'll remove my post!  🙂

Leave it. No worries! 

Edited March 20, 2019 by Giselle

[bosawks]

6 hours ago, izabella said:

I think Teddi's "therapist" got her degrees the same place Teddi "accountability coach" got hers and Kyle's psychic got hers.

And if Teddi lies to her therapist, therapy will do no good.  Teddi never had a single conversation or text or smoke signals with LVP about the dog, and yet claims LVP set her up.  And afterwards, she ran to everyone except LVP to discuss it.  No, Teddi, that's not how it works.  We see you.

I think any therapist worth their salt would say “Get off that fucking show!”

[njbchlover]

1 minute ago, bosawks said:

I think any therapist worth their salt would say “Get off that fucking show!”

Kind of hard to say that when you're having a "therapy" session with your client ON that show!   😂

[LibertarianSlut]

4 minutes ago, IKnowRight said:

It’s not about the fact the Lucy ended up okay...everyone is glad she’s A-okay.  It’s about what could have happened to her.  More importantly, the dog was taken to a shelter, in another county, not to another woman’s wonderful home as Dorit claimed originally.  Dorit/PK were not concerned with her welfare and that is getting lost in the conversation.  

It is the carelessness of them with Lucy that upsets people. 

 For example, if your friend drove home drunk, after knowing 1)it’s breaking the rules/law 2)she knew she should have asked for a ride....you even offered her a ride...when she gets home without harming anyone else, herself or the car, is it still ok in the end?  After all, no harm, no foul?  Well, she’s fine, right?  No one was harmed, right?

That’s not the point.  I can think of lots of analogies, everything being okay in the end doesn’t excuse the bad original behavior of doing what’s wrong.

Lucy was lucky to end up back at VDP.  

It's funny, but I put this exact example out there last week, and I had a 180 degree difference of opinion as to where I came out on it (respectfully, of course).  I said, if someone drives home with a few too many martinis in them, and they get home safely, it is no harm, no foul, but if someone were to take that same exact action and hit a child who ran in front of their car for a ball and the child was killed, it would be vehicular manslaughter. 

I don't know if this is or isn't obvious from my screen name, but I really believe in leaving adults alone to make their own choices.  If it was a dear friend of mine who confided that she drove drunk, I would probably be, "girl!  We gotta call you a Lyft next time."  But that's about all someone would get out of me.  Yet if this same exact friend hit a child while driving drunk, I would support the idea that she should probably face charges (even though I would probably support her through it).  Sometimes it's not just the intent that matters.  Sometimes it's what actually happens, IMO anyway.

I was thinking that this thing with Dorit and the dog is analogous to what is going on over on RHOA right now.  Nene wanted everyone out of her closet, and though we didn't get to see the footage, she allegedly stripped Porsha (who is pregnant) of her belt, and may or may not have used Porsha's own belt against her.  Is this a total fucking asshole move of the highest order?  Yes.  Same as dropping the dog off at the shelter.  But Porsha came out unscathed.  If Porsha had suffered a miscarriage due to Nene's actions, it would be a horse of a different color, in my mind at least.  

I never said the fact that the dog wasn't harmed excused her behavior.  I think I called Dorit an asshole like eight times in my post.  I think she is awful to the bone.  I am saying that the fact that the dog came out of this more or less unharmed makes me more able to forgive her and move on and chalk this up to dumb thoughtlessness.  If the dog had been euthanized, I wouldn't be able to look at her.  Literally.

I respect and understand if people have differing opinions than me, but I do think my opinion enjoys wide support in society.  The penalty for attempted murder is generally lower than the penalty for actual murder for the reasons I have set out.  

[ivygirl]

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

I don't get a Dirty John Vibe from him but I question his current "career"

From what I'm understanding he uses "technology" to balance and re-align the body. Anyone remember the Biorhythm kick - sounds like that to me. It gets sketchy because apparently the tool Aaron uses to re-align you is his penis.

Re-tool? I see what you did there, Bunny...

[BodhiGurl]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

it becomes dastardly when you see the pattern of her behavior and starting to "groom" the housewife ...they become her new "bestie" get a cute nick name and get rubbed in Kyles face ....its a proven freaking pattern with her 

Cosign on this. Lisa couldn't get Erika under her thumb because Erika was on to her from the jump. I think Brandi caught on and unfortunately - because of her messed up head, and lack of other reliable friends on the show, she went way off the rails and ultimately got booted off the show. If Brandi had kept her head on straight and not let the demise of her so-called friendship with LVP get to her - she might still be on the show. She outed LVP and paid the price. Yes - some folks can be manipulated by charming folks. Especially some of the newer castmates who want to belong. Or others who are just nice people who want to believe the story LVP is selling. I think there is more to come. I think, as other PTV peeps have pointed out, the veterans of the show have finally had enough of LVP's shenanigans. She will either leave, or have a redemption tour ala RHOC Vicki G, next season. I liked LVP her first season or two, but then around the time of magazine-gate, I started to cool on her. And she really has been phoning it in the past few seasons. If she does return, and does not mind her P's and Q's - I'm not sure she'll be able to manipulate Denise - Denise seems pretty sharp with such things - especially after witnessing this seasons stuff - and after being told how LVP has snipered from the side in the past. Anywho... 

[gritz]

27 minutes ago, IKnowRight said:

It is the carelessness of them with Lucy that upsets people. 

But, are people really upset, or have they been groomed and manipulated to be upset?

[Keywestclubkid]

5 minutes ago, gritz said:

But, are people really upset, or have they been groomed and manipulated to be upset?

the funny thing is yes we have by bravo and editing 

[Jel]

2 minutes ago, BodhiGurl said:

Cosign on this. Lisa couldn't get Erika under her thumb because Erika was on to her from the jump. I think Brandi caught on and unfortunately - because of her messed up head, and lack of other reliable friends on the show, she went way off the rails and ultimately got booted off the show. If Brandi had kept her head on straight and not let the demise of her so-called friendship with LVP get to her - she might still be on the show. She outed LVP and paid the price. Yes - some folks can be manipulated by charming folks. Especially some of the newer castmates who want to belong. Or others who are just nice people who want to believe the story LVP is selling. I think there is more to come. I think, as other PTV peeps have pointed out, the veterans of the show have finally had enough of LVP's shenanigans. She will either leave, or have a redemption tour ala RHOC Vicki G, next season. I liked LVP her first season or two, but then around the time of magazine-gate, I started to cool on her. And she really has been phoning it in the past few seasons. If she does return, and does not mind her P's and Q's - I'm not sure she'll be able to manipulate Denise - Denise seems pretty sharp with such things - especially after witnessing this seasons stuff - and after being told how LVP has snipered from the side in the past. Anywho... 

Why was Erika onto her from the jump anyway? Didn't she say she never watched the show before appearing on it? I remember tilting my head sideways wondering how Erika would know she was a "sniper from the side". Did Yolanda give her that impression? 

In no universe can I see a Vicki-style LVP redemption tour -- just cannot see that at all. I don't think Lisa thinks she's done anything wrong. And if I have to compare what she's done (or been accused of doing) with things that the others have done, I think Lisa's crimes are ... misdemeanors at best. 

And if I am being really honest I'll say that I don't get manipulated. Maybe I've got a no-manipulation gene or something and that makes me eyerolly and unsympathetic to Teddi and Rinna, but for the life of me I don't understand how they would get sucked in to doing a mean thing if they didn't first have it in them to be mean. 

[Chit Chat]

5 hours ago, langford peel said:

Did you guys read Kyle’s blog? She is running scared and trying to justify taking Doritos side. It’s not turning out the way Bravo and Kyle thought it would.

As I've said before, Kyle demands LVP's loyalty to her no matter what the situation is, but as soon as LVP is on the hot seat, Kyle quickly abandons ship.  Way to go, Kyle!

2 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

im not calling Lisa a sociopath im just pointing out its not some superpower or made up thing people daily have this ability ...how do people get duped out of money join cults etc etc its a charismatic personality.

Anybody who lets somebody else use them as a puppet is just stupid (as it pertains to this show).  If they recognized a pattern with LVP over the years, then they shouldn't have played along with her suggestions.  Just say NO!!  I learned early on in life not to be a doormat.  I would've thought these strong women would've learned that too!

Edited March 20, 2019 by ChitChat

[IKnowRight]

21 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

It's funny, but I put this exact example out there last week, and I had a 180 degree difference of opinion as to where I came out on it (respectfully, of course).  I said, if someone drives home with a few too many martinis in them, and they get home safely, it is no harm, no foul, but if someone were to take that same exact action and hit a child who ran in front of their car for a ball and the child was killed, it would be vehicular manslaughter. 

I don't know if this is or isn't obvious from my screen name, but I really believe in leaving adults alone to make their own choices.  If it was a dear friend of mine who confided that she drove drunk, I would probably be, "girl!  We gotta call you a Lyft next time."  But that's about all someone would get out of me.  Yet if this same exact friend hit a child while driving drunk, I would support the idea that she should probably face charges (even though I would probably support her through it).  Sometimes it's not just the intent that matters.  Sometimes it's what actually happens, IMO anyway.

I was thinking that this thing with Dorit and the dog is analogous to what is going on over on RHOA right now.  Nene wanted everyone out of her closet, and though we didn't get to see the footage, she allegedly stripped Porsha (who is pregnant) of her belt, and may or may not have used Porsha's own belt against her.  Is this a total fucking asshole move of the highest order?  Yes.  Same as dropping the dog off at the shelter.  But Porsha came out unscathed.  If Porsha had suffered a miscarriage due to Nene's actions, it would be a horse of a different color, in my mind at least.  

I never said the fact that the dog wasn't harmed excused her behavior.  I think I called Dorit an asshole like eight times in my post.  I think she is awful to the bone.  I am saying that the fact that the dog came out of this more or less unharmed makes me more able to forgive her and move on and chalk this up to dumb thoughtlessness.  If the dog had been euthanized, I wouldn't be able to look at her.  Literally.

I respect and understand if people have differing opinions than me, but I do think my opinion enjoys wide support in society.  The penalty for attempted murder is generally lower than the penalty for actual murder for the reasons I have set out.  

Sorry, I didn’t see your other post.  I’ve been a fairly absent poster the last few months.

I get it...sometimes I have a touch of libertarian political tendencies but I look at this from a black/white parental perspective.  I have 3 young adult children, the youngest just graduated from college.  Every discussion we’ve had with them, the way they were raised, (Catholic upbringing) was to teach them to consider right/wrong and teaching them to do the right thing.  Every minute of my day, I am hoping, now that they are all on their own, that they don’t do crappy things like adopt, then dump a dog!  No one expects perfection, but I expect people to consider consequences of their actions.  It’s pretty simple.

I may not judge friends in the same way but I would certainly side eye a friend that would do what Dorit did...of course, I don’t have a@@hole friends like Dorit, so that makes it easier to not care.  If someone takes an action that may cause harm, I care...for example, if someone smokes pot I don’t care...if someone smokes pot and drives a school bus, then I would care.

  Besides...it’s my job as a poster to be judgy of these harpies.😉

[Jel]

5 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

As I've said before, Kyle demands LVP's loyalty to her no matter what the situation is, but as soon as LVP is on the hot seat, Kyle quickly abandons ship.  Way to go, Kyle!

Anybody who lets somebody else use them as a puppet is just stupid.  If they recognized a pattern with LVP over the years, then they shouldn't have played along with her suggestions.  Just say NO!!  I learned early on in life not to be a doormat.  I would've thought these strong women would've learned that too!

Yes! And if you are the kind of person who is just generally opposed to being unkind, how does someone manipulate you into being something that you are not? If Lisa is manipulative, the rest of them are just mean. 

If I have to choose, I'll take sneaky manipulator over, I'll just get in your face and abuse you. But to each their own.

[KungFuBunny]

5 hours ago, Pondlass1 said:

Puppy-gate is boring now. We need a new drama.

While I totally agree this is the BH version of the franchise - their formula has always been - one story for the entire season. I'm just praying that when the reunion comes along it won't take up all 3 parts.

If you've watched any of the WWHL shows for this season, any HW that has made an appearance is very careful with what they say. They all have been "coached" on what they say out loud so that tells me there is more to come about the subject.

I would love for Teddi to say - I've been pushed to the point where I'm going to reveal the phone conversations I secretly recorded with LVP. Then see this

[KungFuBunny]

5 hours ago, Giselle said:

Bullshit. 

Then why involve Teddi in the first place by gossiping to her.  Blame yourselves. The actions of yourself, VPD employees, LVP also put your foundation in an uncomfortable situation. Your anger put you on TV starting this public shitstorm when it could have been quietly handled. 

Dorit's negligence is fact but we're not discussing that here we're discussing your actions after the fact. You are reaping the fruits of your labor. You wanted it out there you didn't follow your own policies and now your bitching. Too bad, l really don't give a shit.

Doctor  I believe it is "reveal" and not "revile". 

Have you noticed that John Sessa keeps calling himself LVP's "Partner" yet I haven't heard it once from Lisa that he is. Nor has he ever gotten that title shown under his name when he's appeared. Nor has Ken ever said yes John is a partner. What's he a partner in "a 3 way"?

I know he brags that he is a board member - but the list of board members are the following - Lisa Vanderpump, Ken Todd, Grumpy Cat, John Sessa.

[smores]

23 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

I see another photo shoot in Dorit's future...it will be a couples shoot...sponsored by the LAPD.

And will involve holding up a square board with numbers on it

From your keyboard . . .

22 hours ago, njbchlover said:

I thought the same thing.  LVP was actually visibly upset for Kyle when Kyle said that American Woman did not get picked up for a second season.  I can't see any of these other fucking phony bitches feeling that way.  

Seeing them laughing after meeting with Denise and her fiance just made me sad.  😞

We often see LVP being happy for Kyle, upset for Kyle, supportive of Kyle, taking Kyle's demands for support and friendship into consideration, humoring her constant "but Lisa, you don't do this for ME and I'm your BFF!" whining, and yet, what do we see Kyle doing?  "I'm going through stuff TOO Lisa!" when Lisa mentions the rough time she's had since her brother's sudden death.  Oh, and when she gets ganged up on at a table full of people "No, Lisa, don't go.  Oh, ok, you're going?  Listen, I don't speak for Lisa.  She's my friend, but I don't like all the stuff she does, she has a nasty side to her"  Way to have your friend's back 1000% there Kyle.

30 minutes ago, Jel said:

Yes! And if you are the kind of person who is just generally opposed to being unkind, how does someone manipulate you into being something that you are not? If Lisa is manipulative, the rest of them are just mean. 

If I have to choose, I'll take sneaky manipulator over, I'll just get in your face and abuse you. But to each their own.

22 hours ago, ChitChat said:

I still fail to be impressed with Kyle being able to do the splits.  She needs to learn a new trick. 

I don't know why those 2 are stuck together, but, I am SO over Kyle's splits.  Yep, she can still do them.  Woohoo! Kyle's got a party trick folks! Watch out! She's gonna twirl her hair next! There you have it, that's her entire repertoire! 

I also don't get how if you are someone who is so set on being ACCOUNTABLE, why do you care if you outed Dorit? I mean, listen, she DID dump the dog.  So, you could say, hey, look, I maybe shouldn't have taken part in things the way I did, or maybe I shouldn't have hidden my part the way I did in the Bahamas, but, at the end of the day, we wouldn't have had any of this conversation if Dorit had just returned the dog to VDPDs, so I guess I really don't understand why we aren't focusing on the root of the problem here.  Dorit didn't follow the contract and that's ultimately what put us all in this situation.  Had she been accountable for HER ACTIONS, no one else would be in this mess in the first place.  

19 hours ago, SallySarue said:

Teddi: "I'm owning it 100%"

Ahahahahahahahahahaha....hahahahahahaha...who does this chick think she's kidding?? This is a level of delusion I've not quite seen before. 

And now her story changes again, and she says there were "multiple, multiple phone call conversations." Uhh, wait what?! She never mentioned phone calls before. And by the way lady, are you not responsible for your own actions?? IF that did happen (which is doubtful), you didn't have to go along with it. Hello! Hou base your entire career on being accountable, and you admit to agreeing to be someone's puppet to make someone else look bad?

And who are all these kiss asses that Teddi keeps telling this fictional STORY to? They are all so far up her butt it's sickening. I'm thinking they didn't really care what she was saying...they just jumped at the chance to be on camera on a prominent reality show, so they went along with her narrative. Who hears this story and doesn't even question Dorit's actions, or ask if the dog's ok?? It's all about Teddi absolving herself of the majority of the guilt. Barf!!! She's soooo manipulative. Jesus woman, get over yourself! You're completely obsessed. I think at this point, she really believes herself. We've already seen all of these "new texts" that she showed. She disgusts me so bad. So fake!!

The other thing that Teddi has conveniently left out is that her brother's girlfriend is the person who was caring for the dog during the spaying.  She is also the one who was trying to contact Dorit to follow up on how the dog was and not getting a response.  So she can keep saying that she got all this info from Blizzard, but how do we know she never got any of it from her brother and/or his girlfriend?

17 hours ago, renatae said:

I'm too weary of this to go back and try to find the right episode and rewatch, but we saw this in one of the first few episodes.

As far as I remember,  Ken came to Lisa and told her Teddi knew about the dog. I think he told her that Teddi and John B were friends and that John B told her about the dog, which at the time, is the same thing Teddi said on camera. She did not mention any plot nor claim anyone but John wanted her to know. Nothing at all seemed shady at the time.

Lisa said to Ken, "Well I'd better tell Dorit so she is aware that people know." So she called Dorit and gave her the heads up.

So, yes, there was a time Lisa didn't know, and then a time when she was informed. As she said in an earlier scene, I didn't know at that time.

Later, she couldn't explain this, but that doesn't surprise me. One can't always remember the sequence of things, especially under duress.

Once a friend accused me of getting her in trouble over a situation she said was over and done. She said it was my fault because "I told you it was over." Another person had learned of it and was upset because she thought the situation was ongoing because I hadn't said anything about it being over.

Too complicated to explain, but I could be faulted for that in this particular situation. The problem was the timeline. I hadn't said anything to party #3 because I hadn't had the opportunity to because I'd just been told that day.

I was so flustered by the accusation of having deliberately caused an issue that I didn't remember that I had just learned of it, and could only say I hadn't sabotaged my friend on purpose. I think it took me several days to realize I couldn't possibly have prevented what happened, because it took me that long to remember when exactly I'd been told.

I hope that makes sense to someone, lol.

This, all of this.  LVP didn't know that Teddi knew at first.  When she found out, then she texted Dorit.  Kyle just decided to throw out some random questions and didn't bother to let her explain the timeline when she was playing Judge Judy, so it makes it seem like LVP is giving conflicting answers, but, the reality is, yes, at one point LVP did NOT know.  And then, at another, later point in time, LVP DID know and then she texted Dorit.  Funny how no one is bothering to match up any of this "proof" that LVP knew Teddi knew by showing dated/time stamped texts.  All of the texts I send have them.  It would do wonders for proving their side of the story and the fact that they don't show that kind of tells you something.

14 hours ago, Beachdreamer said:

If Teddi thought LVP wanted her to bring the story out on camera, then was surprised when LVP shut it down on camera, why didn't Teddi ask her friend LVP WHY that happened.  Off camera, of course.  It's clear from all of their subsequent on camera interactions that didn't happen.

Why didn't Teddi ask her friend John Blizzard why it was shut down by LVP.  Off camera or through texts.

I don't think Teddi immediately that day at VP dogs thought she had been set up by Lisa, so why didn't she ask Lisa and John why Lisa had attempted to shut down the story.  Why didn't she wonder if Lisa would be pissed at her for overriding her and going ahead with it?

I'm going to leave this link here, because I think it makes the argument better than I could:

https://keirnthomas.com/2019/03/14/lisa-has-receipts/

I guess I also want to ask, why, if Teddi is SOOO accountable and truthful, did she say to Dorit (when confessing), that yes, she did out things but she DID NOT tell Kyle or Rinna?  Because oddly enough, Kyle found out "on camera" at VDPDs.  Because Teddi wouldn't let the subject go.  And then we see Rinna learn about it because Kyle and Teddi won't shut up about it.  So, poor little Teddi lies again.  

14 hours ago, MrsWitter said:

I completely agree, but I’d leave out the “savvy business” person part when it comes to Dorit.

Teddi was on WWHL and someone questioned her about her own accountability since she said she never lied (which she obviously did). Teddi said she’s always been accountable because she works out and eats right and that’s what her business is about. I guess all that matters is not lying about what you eat or how much you exercise. 🤦‍♀️

Did anyone else find the scene with Teddi’s therapist weird? In general, I am suspicious of therapy sessions broadcast on Bravo, but something about this one seemed extra galling because her “therapist” filled the role a “friend of the Housewives” often does for exposition. It felt like Teddi brought her on as a prop to ground her story for the audience. I don’t know why this scene felt more egregious than some of the other bs therapy scenes we’ve seen, but it felt really, really problematic to me.

On the one hand, I kind of like the idea of a therapist who meets you in the situations in which you feel the most comfortable.  I think you might get more "work" done if you were out hiking or what have you, than if you were just sitting inside on a couch, but what about any sort of privacy laws? And notes? I guess this is probably something that is best suited for a life coach sort of thing vs a therapist and in any event, it really just feels like this person was a prop to try to redeem poor used Teddi.  What better way to absolve her of her guilt than to have a professional say, well, what else could you do?

12 hours ago, BodhiGurl said:

I recently watched the bonus scenes episode from last season, they showed a clip from last reunion where Dorit mentions they adopted Lucy and how her son came up,with the name. How much time transpired btwn when last season’s reunion was filmed and when Dorit gave the dog away?  I guess that would solve the question of whether she had Lucy for months or weeks... she’s still a shite for not giving Lucy back to VPD. I also think LVP is a shite for being a sniper from the side/behind the curtain shite stirrer. 

It looks like the reunion was filmed on 3/27.  According to a timeline on reddit, 7/29 is when VDPDs gets the info that the dog was dropped off at the shelter.  Hannah had the dog at some point, in the middle of that timeframe for spaying and healing, and it's unclear when Dorit gave the dog to "the woman" if there was another woman.  But, she had the dog for somewhere around 4 months.  

7 hours ago, Lizzing said:

I was as shocked to learn Camille was only 50 as I was learning PK was only 50 last year.  I would have believed she was 50 in S1, so it isn't the divorce/cancer/abusive ex that has aged her.  Maybe living with Kelsey or being Jesus did it. (I still cannot stand the woman, but she's right about Dorit.)

As for all this "LVP made me do it" bullshit....JFC, watch the show you are on so you know the players and their games.  If Teddi is that guillable, then someone get me her phone number and I'll call her to tell her she needs to pay off an IRS debt with iTunes giftcards ASAP.

So LVP drops out sometime shortly after Denise's wedding, right?  If they all do stop talking about her, what the hell are they going to talk about?  Drop LLAJ/LVP out of the story, and all we have is a handful of photoshoots and an infomercial for The Agency.  Oh, and Dirty Aaron's dick size.  (I think he's a scammer, but he did have the best line of the night when Denise went to get the other women to come back in to celebrate Camille's bd: "I think I'll go hide" or similar.)

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5 hours ago, langford peel said:

Maybe it is a negotiation tactic where they want to beat down her price for the new spinoff. If so they made a big mistake. I read it 80/20 favorable to LVP.

Did you guys read Kyle’s blog? She is running scared and trying to justify taking Doritos side. It’s not turning out the way Bravo and Kyle thought it would.

It never, ever does.  But, she'll sit there at the reunion and yell about how Lisa sticks up for Dorit and doesn't take her side, despite how Kyle is there for her friends 1000%!

54 minutes ago, Jel said:

Why was Erika onto her from the jump anyway? Didn't she say she never watched the show before appearing on it? I remember tilting my head sideways wondering how Erika would know she was a "sniper from the side". Did Yolanda give her that impression? 

In no universe can I see a Vicki-style LVP redemption tour -- just cannot see that at all. I don't think Lisa thinks she's done anything wrong. And if I have to compare what she's done (or been accused of doing) with things that the others have done, I think Lisa's crimes are ... misdemeanors at best. 

And if I am being really honest I'll say that I don't get manipulated. Maybe I've got a no-manipulation gene or something and that makes me eyerolly and unsympathetic to Teddi and Rinna, but for the life of me I don't understand how they would get sucked in to doing a mean thing if they didn't first have it in them to be mean. 

This is what I don't get.  If someone came to me and was like, ok, I want you to say this when this happens, I'd be like, uh no, say it your own damn self.  I'm not your puppet.  And if you're my close friend I'm going to tell you what I think of things.  Just like Camille, I would have said "Why didn't you just return the dog to VDPDs?" That would have solved the entire thing.  I think there are some things you maybe don't say to people in public, because it could be hurtful to them (like, let's say I'm Nene's friend on RHOA, I might privately pull her aside and say that I don't think the tweets she's putting out about Gregg are a good look and say I can tell she's hurting and ask how I can help her), but, I do think you don't just blindly say stuff because someone asks you to, or overlook them because you're their friend.  

If you do jump in and say something because someone wants you to, I honestly think it's worse than if you just spoke up on your own.  That means whatever hurtful thing you said isn't even your own thoughts.  You're just willing to be nasty and hurtful because . . .? And I don't think LVP had a part in this, I think she meant what she said when she said she didn't give a fuck who found out (whereas Ken DID want to protect PK and Dorit), she was dealing with the opening of TomTom, the Vegas stuff and also the loss of her brother.  I'm sure she was pissed at the situation, but I do also think that she did believe Dorit that it wasn't on purpose and she just wanted to move on from the situation, but the others decided to move in for the kill.  

And here we are again with the rest of the group ganging up on LVP but the proof not vindicating Teddi.  She doesn't have any new texts.  None of them show that LVP has a hand in anything.  Her story that she was told that the dog was locked in a basement doesn't prove that LVP manipulated her.  She's still lying about not being the one to tell Kyle, she's not talking about the fact that her brother's girlfriend was the one who cared for the dog during the spaying and was also the one who had been trying to reach Dorit to follow up on how the dog was doing but not getting any answers (and hey, isn't this the most likely source of info for the dog being locked in the basement?).  She hasn't released anything with dates/times to prove her timeframe, nor is she releasing entire conversations, it's still bits and pieces.  And her whole "she joked that you should adopt the dog" being proof? It could be that LVP said that Blizzard should adopt the dog from Blizzard's texts.  It could be more info Blizzard made up, and it could very well be that LVP said, the day of filming "you're not going to adopt the dog, Teddi" to get her to shut up and stop talking about it precisely because she did not want it filmed, as she'd already said several times.

[MrsWitter]

4 hours ago, Giselle said:

I'd like to see Vicki taken out and maybe Lori added back in. She's rich now & raising a young granddaughter.

I'd like to see Teresa taken out and maybe Kathy added back in. She's discovering her life after kids and we have kids already with Jackie and Jen.

My brain is too tired because, when I first read this, I was unable to switch between franchises so I was like, “who is Lori? Did I forget a BH housewife?.” Then I started thinking about Lori Loughlin and her friendship with Kyle and I thought, “well, she would be an INTERESTING addition, but I think she might be otherwise engaged in the coming years.” 

Then, my brain partly turned on and I understood what you clearly wrote. And I agree- get Vicki out of there and Teresa too. I wouldn’t mind seeing Kathy added back either (especially if that includes Rosie). I do fear we might see Lori Loughlin years from now, when she is released from prison and her acting career is officially dead, try to make a comeback on RHOBH. I don’t think I’m here for that, but I could see producers thinking that would draw viewers. 

[Duke2801]

7 hours ago, Lizzing said:

I was as shocked to learn Camille was only 50 as I was learning PK was only 50 last year.  I would have believed she was 50 in S1, so it isn't the divorce/cancer/abusive ex that has aged her.  Maybe living with Kelsey or being Jesus did it. (I still cannot stand the woman, but she's right about Dorit.)

As for all this "LVP made me do it" bullshit....JFC, watch the show you are on so you know the players and their games.  If Teddi is that guillable, then someone get me her phone number and I'll call her to tell her she needs to pay off an IRS debt with iTunes giftcards ASAP.

So LVP drops out sometime shortly after Denise's wedding, right?  If they all do stop talking about her, what the hell are they going to talk about?  Drop LLAJ/LVP out of the story, and all we have is a handful of photoshoots and an infomercial for The Agency.  Oh, and Dirty Aaron's dick size.  (I think he's a scammer, but he did have the best line of the night when Denise went to get the other women to come back in to celebrate Camille's bd: "I think I'll go hide" or similar.)

I’ve heard there’s Camille drama that takes the place of #puppygate after LVP stops filming with them. 

[English Teacher]

Omg.   I’m Team Lucy but the rest of this annoying mess is the reality tv equivalent of

[swankie]

On 3/19/2019 at 8:21 PM, BodhiGurl said:

six episodes in and still the dog... ugh. I'm also tired of LVP playing the victim.

What I don't understand is how the hell did Dorit become the victim in a situation she created by not following the terms of her contract with Vanderpump Dogs?  She did a crappy thing to a poor innocent dog but God forbid anyone speak about it.  They need to stop taking the focus off of the guilty culprit and stop trying to make each other the bad guy.  Call a spade a spade and let Dorit know that what she did was crappy and just please make this whole thing go away and move on.  

[MatildaMoody]

20 minutes ago, smores said:

I also don't get how if you are someone who is so set on being ACCOUNTABLE, why do you care if you outed Dorit? I mean, listen, she DID dump the dog.  So, you could say, hey, look, I maybe shouldn't have taken part in things the way I did, or maybe I shouldn't have hidden my part the way I did in the Bahamas, but, at the end of the day, we wouldn't have had any of this conversation if Dorit had just returned the dog to VDPDs, so I guess I really don't understand why we aren't focusing on the root of the problem here.  Dorit didn't follow the contract and that's ultimately what put us all in this situation.  Had she been accountable for HER ACTIONS, no one else would be in this mess in the first place.  

It's like how Rinna didn't want to hear Camille talking about how phony Dorit is. If she had agreed with Camille that Dorit DID actually do something shady and that everything about Dorit has screamed "that bitch is shady" since the first second she was introduced, then it would give her no real reason to hold on to the agenda of "exposing LVP".  They get so myopically focused on being right and exposing what they think the audience doesn't see that they don't see the forest for the trees. It really is insulting to the audience. It's like how Tamra kept trying to expose Gretchen when she first came on the air. Everyone knew what Gretchen was in her first season. But, Tamra was so desperate to expose her that Gretchen automatically garnered sympathy. 

The problem with Beverly Hills is that the women have been so desperate to expose LVP for so many years, that the audience just kind of rolls their eyes and do the whole "this again". Even die-hard LVP fans know that she is good at pulling strings. Trying to expose that is pointless and drags the season down. If they want to make LVP look bad, they should just call her out in the moment. Or refuse to do what they consider her dirty work. Teddi is making it seem like there was absolutely no point in time when she could have said, "you know what, this doesn't feel right. I'm going to confirm that this is what LVP wants and then decide whether I want to do it." It's infuriating and insulting to the audience.

[smores]

2 minutes ago, swankie said:

What I don't understand is how the hell did Dorit become the victim in a situation she created by not following the terms of her contract with Vanderpump Dogs?  She did a crappy thing to a poor innocent dog but God forbid anyone speak about it.  They need to stop taking the focus off of the guilty culprit and stop trying to make each other the bad guy.  Call a spade a spade and let Dorit know that what she did was crappy and just please make this whole thing go away and move on.  

Dorit is a con married to a grifter.  She'll always figure out how to be the victim.  I mean, look at how she's shilling her Beverly Beach swimwear this season while she was being chased around the pool in the Bahamas for scamming the guy who paid for it.  

[Double A]

Teddi is making the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, Camille. She will not steer from her narrative that she is a good person and doesn't lie. If you're in the way of that look out. That's some Gone Girl sh&t and I see why LVP checked out. 

[Jel]

Why can't Lisa use her amazing powers of manipulation to manipulate me into losing ten pounds. (Ten, who am I kidding? Lol)

[Thumper]

6 hours ago, Shannah Banana said:

You said just what I had been thinking.  When they showed that unseen footage of Camille and LVP, it was surprising.  Maybe even production is sick of LVP and her fuckery.

Yet that is production's own fault.  They edited it the way the wanted it to look, evidently.

[BodhiGurl]

18 minutes ago, swankie said:

What I don't understand is how the hell did Dorit become the victim in a situation she created by not following the terms of her contract with Vanderpump Dogs?  She did a crappy thing to a poor innocent dog but God forbid anyone speak about it.  They need to stop taking the focus off of the guilty culprit and stop trying to make each other the bad guy.  Call a spade a spade and let Dorit know that what she did was crappy and just please make this whole thing go away and move on.  

Where in my post did I say Dorit was a victim? I think Dorit is a useless grifting arsehole that should have been a "one-and-done" housewife. I wanted her gone after her first season. I have zero sympathy for Dorit. But I do think LVP is a good manipulator and when things go south she plays the victim. Just my opinion.

[ShawnaLanne]

I wish this wasn't how they tried to take LVP down. The timing is awful, who does this after a suicide? Dorit is awful. I don't care what happens to her. Dorit has zero redeeming qualities. Teddi shouldn't have said I've never lied! Here is a lie.

Edited March 21, 2019 by ShawnaLanne

[Giselle]

57 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Have you noticed that John Sessa keeps calling himself LVP's "Partner" yet I haven't heard it once from Lisa that he is. Nor has he ever gotten that title shown under his name when he's appeared. Nor has Ken ever said yes John is a partner. What's he a partner in "a 3 way"?

I know he brags that he is a board member - but the list of board members are the following - Lisa Vanderpump, Ken Todd, Grumpy Cat, John Sessa.

I think he might be. I think it  started with the Chinese dog thing. I really don't know because I don't care about VPD, never have. I usually zip right through anything to do with LVP and her dogs as I'm bored by them.

Even if he is a full partner it's LVP's name on the sign, she's the face of the operation, she's the one that's going to get any blow back. He's a nobody to most of the public compared to her.

If she truly wanted it handled privately (which I don't believe) he really disrespected her by making this public. 

[MrsWitter]

8 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

However, the scene by the door of the conversation between LVP and Camille - I'm pretty sure this is a clip they NEVER aired. This was the season that was filmed and then Russell committed suicide - Bravo had a few weeks to re-edit the scene.

They go on and on about rescues - but now I'm remembering John Sessa said in an interview that Lucy was not a rescue. 

The scene hadn’t aired before. Someone mentioned upthread that Brian Moylan at Vulture rewatched the old episode and this scene was not in it.

Lucy was still a rescue and a homeless dog in need of a safe place. What Sessa was referring to was that Lucy was not a traditional rescue, with an unknown background or potential emotional/behavioral issues because of some past trauma. Lucy’s mom was a pregnant shelter dog that VPD took in and then they reared the puppies. So, theoretically, he thought Lucy might be a better fit for the inexperienced Dorit and PK because Lucy did not have a history of abuse, abandonment, or time in a shelter. Dorit sure fixed that!

Edited March 21, 2019 by MrsWitter

[smores]

26 minutes ago, MatildaMoody said:

It's like how Rinna didn't want to hear Camille talking about how phony Dorit is. If she had agreed with Camille that Dorit DID actually do something shady and that everything about Dorit has screamed "that bitch is shady" since the first second she was introduced, then it would give her no real reason to hold on to the agenda of "exposing LVP".  They get so myopically focused on being right and exposing what they think the audience doesn't see that they don't see the forest for the trees. It really is insulting to the audience. It's like how Tamra kept trying to expose Gretchen when she first came on the air. Everyone knew what Gretchen was in her first season. But, Tamra was so desperate to expose her that Gretchen automatically garnered sympathy. 

The problem with Beverly Hills is that the women have been so desperate to expose LVP for so many years, that the audience just kind of rolls their eyes and do the whole "this again". Even die-hard LVP fans know that she is good at pulling strings. Trying to expose that is pointless and drags the season down. If they want to make LVP look bad, they should just call her out in the moment. Or refuse to do what they consider her dirty work. Teddi is making it seem like there was absolutely no point in time when she could have said, "you know what, this doesn't feel right. I'm going to confirm that this is what LVP wants and then decide whether I want to do it." It's infuriating and insulting to the audience.

This is another question I have with Teddi and her so-called Accountability.  If she "realized" she was being used and she's so big on being accountable, then why not speak up right then and there?  She claims that she figured out that she was set up when she was at VDPDs and LVP was insisting that they not tell the story, that that is when she knew that she had been used to get the story out while LVP was going to play innocent.  So, if that's the case, why not look her dead in the eye and say "But, wait, Lisa, didn't you tell John you wanted me to know? Didn't you say that you wanted me to tell this and put it out there? Did you change your mind? Because if so, that's cool, I just need to know before I say something I shouldn't.  I just want to make sure I know."  And then what would she do? If she WAS using you, then she'd deny it, but she'd know good and damn well that it's done and she can't exploit you.  But, oddly enough, that's NOT what Teddi did.  She pushed until the story was told, then she made sure it kept being brought up over and over and somehow, she lied about her part in it, but she DOES NOT LIE!

[Jel]

22 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

I wish this wasn't how they tried to take LVP down. The timing is awful, who does this after a suicide? Dorit is awful. I don't care what happens to her. Dorit has zero redeeming qualities. Teddi shouldn't have said I've never lied! Here is a lie.

That's so true. It's not a good look for any of them. Too many "Oh I feel so bad for LIsa!s" and not enough saving it for next season. Actions do speak louder than words, so their "bad feels" for Lisa come off as very insincere.  

[RHJunkie]

4 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

it becomes dastardly when you see the pattern of her behavior and starting to "groom" the housewife ...they become her new "bestie" get a cute nick name and get rubbed in Kyles face ....its a proven freaking pattern with her 

I'm going to take exception to this comment for the fact that psychological grooming is a very real and serious tactic that certainly takes more than some months of filming and occasional conversation with someone. And  I think it's a very baseless and dangerous accusation to throw out there for the sake of absolving Teddi of her behaviour simply because you don't like LVP and her behaviour. The relationship between LVP and Teddi or anyone else for that matter is not grooming, not even close. Grooming involves targeting, instilling the belief that you can only trust and rely on that one person, forcing isolation and dependency and control. People who are groomed are unaware that they are groomed and they carry an intense level of loyalty to the person that has groomed them. Teddi flipped like a light swtich. At the end of the day, this is a reality show of women who all have varying levels of bad qualities about them and some redeemable qualities about them - none of these women are worth of any kind of defense that diminishes the realities and severity of real grooming experiences that go on in this world and cause genuine harm to people.

[Giselle]

52 minutes ago, Jel said:

That's so true. It's not a good look for any of them. Too many "Oh I feel so bad for LIsa!s" and not enough saving it for next season. Actions do speak louder than words, so their "bad feels" for Lisa come off as very insincere.  

I'll hit this ball back over the net.

Doesn't look too good for LVP  to be pulling this shit so soon after her brothers death. When they call her on her shit, she tears up and says "Oh my dead brother." and everybody starts comforting her. 

She did it with Kyle, she did it with Erica when she pulled her catty and petty shit with them and they were not going to take it. She realized it and then came the tears. 

Why should they give her a pass this season of acting like and asshole and let her get away with it just because her brother died.

They shouldn't have to "save it for next season"?  If she started pulling the same crap next season that she always does and they call her out on it and bring up a past hurt the bitch would call them petty for bringing up something that happened a over a year ago. 

They can feel bad for her and be upset she's being a bitch they have a right to call her on it. They might look bad for doing it but so does Lisa when she's pulling her crap so soon after her brothers death

Edited March 21, 2019 by Giselle

[lunastartron]

What exactly is the archival footage of the Camille/LVP confrontation supposed to prove? I remember that episode pretty clearly (as much as one can after eight years) and the entire melee commenced because Taylor was hollering “if you can’t be my friend, then please don’t be my enemy” in an effort to portray herself as some naifish victim. Taylor then proceeded to sneer about how everyone in the cast spoke disparagingly of each other and no one displayed any transparency. At which point Camille, of her own volition, declared that Taylor certainly wasn’t transparent (“I don’t you want everything out there”) because she had confided in the cast at large off the record about the abuse but “we don’t see bruises anywhere on your body.” Camille then enumerated the various stories that Taylor had relayed (“he broke your jaw and he hits you”) while Lisa chimed in “and he threw you in the bath.” 

So what was Camille’s grievance? She inserted herself into a conflict that didn’t directly involve her and voiced opinions that she felt strongly about. She has never been inarticulate or afraid to take unpopular positions (see her going head to head against Kyle during the first  season). Nor has she ever been an LVP puppet. 

Beyond which Lisa even corroborated her recitation of what Taylor had divulged even as Camille (reasonably IMO but that’s a whole other can of worms) interrogated those accounts. 

And iirc Lisa was Taylor’s only ally for a considerable part of the second half of season two after the domestic violence had been outed. She was certainly the only cast member who even approached objecting when Kyle, Paul, and Adrienne ejected Taylor and Russell from the White Party on Camille’s behalf. 

[Thumper]

I'm reserving judgement on Camille.  Disliked her immensely in early seasons.  Liked her assessment of Dorit in this episode.  Wait and see.  Perhaps she's in a better place now.

[lunastartron]

7 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

I don't think Ken and PK have been friends for 40 years, probably more like 20. If they were friends for 40 years then PK would have been 10 and Ken would have been 21 - that's Michael Jackson territory

What I have always found strange about LVP is that she doesn't seem to have long standing female friends (not one).

She also is only friends with females that are currently wives of a man she considers a friend. Once the wife becomes an ex, she shows her true feelings for them which is disdain. She did this with Yolanda, and she did the same with PK's first wife (Lorraine/Loretta?)

As for the friendship with PK - I wonder what he has on them - or do they share some shady business dealings

I have mixed feelings about Lisa in general - oddly enough, I find her behavior on Vanderpump Rules this season way more  monstrous than anything she’s ever done among the housewives, largely because she’s been transparently stoking pile-on mentalities you toward the youngest member of the cast, exploiting his mental health issues, and humiliating old friends with addiction instabilities on national tv all while adopting a mantle of faux feminism to justify doing so. 

But she does have a relatively long-standing and close friendship with Joyce de Ohoeven of season four. 

Joyce, who was always headstrong from my perspective, has penned multiple defenses of LVP on social media and shared that she always shows up to support her undertakings and events. They both hang out with Mohammed. 

I also don’t think the lack of footage featuring friendships beyond the narrative scope of the show is unique to Lisa. For instance, I can’t recall Erika ever filming with a friend of any gender beyond her employees. 

Edited March 21, 2019 by lunastartron

[glowbug]

What I find ironic is that the things LVP has been alleged to have manipulated cast mates into doing or saying (aside from Brandi and the magazines, which never actually happened anyway) have all been generally well received by the audience. It is the blaming of the actions on LVP's manipulations that have made these housewives extremely unpopular with the audience. Camille calling Taylor out for the abuse allegations was looked upon favorably at the time. Camille's newfound popularity that season was not tarnished in any way and most people lauded her for it. Had she tried to blame her actions on LVP (or if the editors had left that in), she would probably have been the most hated housewife for the second year in a row.

The audience was also generally happy with Lisa Rinna for calling Yolanda's fake or exaggerated illness out. Most of us believe that Yolanda was feigning her illness and symptoms, or causing her symptoms (Munchausens), or thought her illness was psychosomatic. Rinna just said what most of us were thinking and saying, and it was a relief that one of Yolanda's cast mates had said it out loud. It wasn't until Rinna blamed LVP for the comment that she drew the audience's hatred. 

The audience wouldn't have blamed Teddy one bit for bringing up Dorit and the dog situation on camera either. Most of us still don't care that she outed Dorit. What Dorit did was horrible and she deserves to be publicly shamed because she has shown no remorse and acts like the victim. She keeps defending her actions and acts as though there was nothing wrong with what she did. If Teddy had owned her behavior and not tried to claim manipulation she would probably be more popular this season than she was last season. 

[langford peel]

Count Lady Gaga as a friend of Lisa Vanderpump. It was all over the Internet that they hung out together and had dinner at Lisa’s restaurants several times in the last few days.

I mean she must be a horrible person and not a paragon of virtue like Dorito or TeddI Melonhead or Vile Kyle.

Wait a minute! Lisa must just be a Little Monster.

[renatae]

15 hours ago, 918lux said:

What I don’t get about Teddi, is that as soon as she saw that LVP wasn’t going to contribute at the dog center, she could have very easily dropped it & either let it die or let LVP figure out how to expose Dorit on her own. It reminds me of how she ran & told Rinna about Dorit & PK talking shit last year & went on & on about Dorit being late. She’s Miss Mountain out of a Molehill. 

This! So much this! Also, she was irritated that LVP wasn't talking.

She didn't decide she was a pawn until Rinna insisted she was. Then she decided she had a reason for righteous anger. Pfft!

[swankie]

5 hours ago, BodhiGurl said:

Where in my post did I say Dorit was a victim? I think Dorit is a useless grifting arsehole that should have been a "one-and-done" housewife. I wanted her gone after her first season. I have zero sympathy for Dorit. But I do think LVP is a good manipulator and when things go south she plays the victim. Just my opinion.

I never said that you said Dorit was a victim.  You said LVP was a victim and I copied you to agree with you. But I also wondered how Dorit became a victim too as in, "Speaking of victims...."  Sorry if I didn't express myself clearly. ☹

Erika is really irritating me this season.  She thinks saying pussy, ass and tits over and over makes her edgy.  She"s not edgy, she just has a potty mouth.

Speaking of potty mouth, OMG!  Denise!!!  That girl cusses like a sailor.  No doubt her ex husband's influence has rubbed off on her.  And I'm by no means a prude, but I was so embarrassed for her fiance the way she kept going on about his penis.  I mean, she never talked about anything else!  🤣

Edited March 21, 2019 by swankie

[Lizzing]

8 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

What I have always found strange about LVP is that she doesn't seem to have long standing female friends (not one).

I may be remembering this entirely inaccurately, but didn't one of LVP's long time female friends marry Ken's son (not Max--an older son from a previous relationship)?  I think we saw them all visiting together on an European vacation several seasons back.  LVP's friend is about her age, and Ken's not-Max son is much younger, IIRC.

[Jel]

8 hours ago, Giselle said:

I'll hit this ball back over the net.

Doesn't look too good for LVP  to be pulling this shit so soon after her brothers death. When they call her on her shit, she tears up and says "Oh my dead brother." and everybody starts comforting her. 

She did it with Kyle, she did it with Erica when she pulled her catty and petty shit with them and they were not going to take it. She realized it and then came the tears. 

Why should they give her a pass this season of acting like and asshole and let her get away with it just because her brother died.

They shouldn't have to "save it for next season"?  If she started pulling the same crap next season that she always does and they call her out on it and bring up a past hurt the bitch would call them petty for bringing up something that happened a over a year ago. 

They can feel bad for her and be upset she's being a bitch they have a right to call her on it. They might look bad for doing it but so does Lisa when she's pulling her crap so soon after her brothers death

Is it catty and petty when she says she expected a phone call (over a card) from Erika? But why is that not seen as her just being honest and direct? Which is something so many people seem to want from her. She's direct and straight up, she's catty; she holds it in (and it finds another way out, (ie passive aggressive, small jabs); she's manipulative and controlling -- why can't she just be direct!). She can't win for losing.  All the other HWs are entitled to be annoyed at her but she's not entitled to be annoyed at them?  Everyone gets to have her feelings about things but Lisa?

I suppose we all look at these women through the filter of our own lenses, based on personality and life experiences.  And while I can recognize that some people react negatively to Lisa's way of doing things, ("manipulation") for me personally, that's a non-issue.  It presses no buttons for me I guess. What does bother me (and judging by the audience's reception, others) is:

1) A gang up. It reminds me of a herd mentality which I just can't (and have never been able to) stand.

2) Saying, "I feel bad for you, but..." Just have the gumption to leave the "I feel bad for you" part off then because if you sincerely felt bad for her, you wouldn't continue after the "but" because...

3) "The person with the heaviest burden gets the lightest load."  In my own life, I understand that people who are suffering emotionally are vulnerable, and I feel the right thing to do there is to put aside my grievances until they are in a better place emotionally to deal with them.  If they were to do that and then Lisa called them petty for holding it for a year, well that would be on Lisa. I doubt many would fault the HWs for compassion-based restraint.

She might be a lot of things, but she ain't Bob from Twin Peaks (hope you saw that show because I'm bustin' at the perfectness of that analogy! 😉) . I don't think her grief is convenient or fake. I see her crying as a genuine reflection of her emotional state at the time and not as a tool she uses to manipulate people.  There are definitely people in this world who bust out the tears to try to control a situation, but we've seen Lisa over the years and we've never seen her crying like this, so I don't think that is what is happening here.

Overall, this season may appear to some as the season LVP gets her comeuppance, but for others it's the season that Lisa was grieving and the rest of the shrews ganged up on her.  To me, that's just not a good look for any of them.

Edited March 21, 2019 by Jel

[dosodog]

What!?!  I thought it was impossible to love you more than I do. 

And then you mention Bob.  Twin Peaks Bob!  I always looked over my shoulder when he was on the screen.  Always!