S07.E11: Return of Crazy Kristen

[OnceSane]

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Kristen's bizarre behavior threatens to spoil the women's trip to wine country; Scheana breaks down; James is overjoyed when he gets a last-minute invitation to the guys' "staycation;" Tom Sandoval invites women back to the hotel room.

Airs February 18, 2019.

[biakbiak]

Did she ever really leave us?

[tinaw]

On 2/16/2019 at 3:37 PM, biakbiak said:

Did she ever really leave us?

Shes been simmering under the surface.

[Otherkate]

Really uncomfortable with how happy I am for James that he got invited after all.

[nexxie]

Funny, Lisa talking about the health inspection as she sets her dog/accessory on the bar.

[Steph J]

I'm embarrassed by how much I identified with Katie when she picked something up off the shelf and then everything else on the shelf starting falling after it.

Jax is such a gossipy little bitch/shit stirrer.

[nexxie]

James is fun when he’s not drunk - good narration of the fashion walk-off!

[Thumper]

Lala and her satin/ poly robes.  lol. 

[nexxie]

Did they edit a bunch out of that Kristen scene - what was “so trashy?”

[Pop Tart]

Feels like this was the continuation of the James redemption arc while the producers and cast were working the “Kristen’s crazy” storyline to the max. Yes Kristen was majorly drunk but much of what happened at the tail end of the episode was caused by the others (particularly Katie) getting in her face over and over.

[ghoulina]

Can someone explain why Lala was wearing my mom's 80s robe all day?

At first I thought - maybe Kristen and Carter fight all the time because she shows more emotion towards her ex than him. I kind of felt bad for the dude. But then, why is he texting her about James, knowing it will rile her up? Lots of dysfunction with those two.

So NOW Scheana can't talk about Adam? I can't with her. She's too much work. 

Tom is a bit too obvious to be a wing man. He needs to work on his subtlety. Also, I think he really enjoys getting attention from those girls, without actually crossing a line. I see you, Sandoval. 

Meanwhile, Jax and Beau are hiding on the balcony. They cracked me up. 

[Thumper]

Peter: "I just want titties in my face."   

Other guys (to women):. "He's a stand-up guy."

Me:  Please. (Also disappointed in Peter.)  yuck.

[dosodog]

I am also disappointed in Peter.  Small doses producers!

But I adore Beau for calling Stassi! 

And the producers for The Rob Symphony. 

[ParadoxLost]

Peter is permanently  in his Antonio Banderas Zorro costume.

James and his pompadour that has a deep seated desire to fly like of flock of seagulls.

I don't know what to even say about Sandoval's fashion choice.

I think the cameras help their game.

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, Steph J said:

Jax is such a gossipy little bitch/shit stirrer.

Andy famously called Jax "Aunt Blabby" at a reunion and it's so true. If you want to avoid people talking about your business, make sure you never tell Jax.

[ninjago]

Uncool of Carter to text "James showed up".  Sandoval called and invited James, at the behest of at least Jax and Schwartz, and I didn't hear Beau or Carter object.

Regardless, why does Kristin care so much?

Also, she's on WWHL talking about how the girls should have handled her with kid gloves on the trip!?  I don't know why anyone puts up with this delusional nut job.

Edited February 19, 2019 by ninjago

[geauxaway]

So Jax can’t have fun anymore, because clearly he can’t control himself, and becomes a wet blanket?  He’s the worst.  

I’m not saying it’s appropriate (in my social circles, anyway) for a bunch of marrieds to be partying in a hotel room with a bunch of randos of the opposite sex, but in this crew it’s always been their M.O. and the girls other than Brittany seem to just turn the other cheek.  But oh no, now that Jax is a changed man, everyone has to change.   He was so over the top about it, too.  Sir doth protest too much?  I would have wanted to punch him if I was the other guys letting loose, having fun, committing no crimes.

[ParadoxLost]

4 minutes ago, geauxaway said:

I’m not saying it’s appropriate (in my social circles, anyway) for a bunch of marrieds to be partying in a hotel room with a bunch of randos of the opposite sex, but in this crew it’s always been their M.O. and the girls other than Brittany seem to just turn the other cheek.  But oh no, now that Jax is a changed man, everyone has to change.   He was so over the top about it, too.  Sir doth protest too much?  I would have wanted to punch him if I was the other guys letting loose, having fun, committing no crimes.

My memory is terrible for this sort of thing.  But is this the first time one of their guys nights that ended with them partying with girls got filmed?

I think every other incident where one of the guys made out or cheated was off camera.  It seemed like they were freaked out because of the cameras.

It was funny to watch Jax and Beau hide out on the balcony trying to reach Stassi and Brittany before someone put something on social media.

[geauxaway]

Just now, ParadoxLost said:

My memory is terrible for this sort of thing.  But is this the first time one of their guys nights that ended with them partying with girls got filmed?

I think every other incident where one of the guys made out or cheated was off camera.  It seemed like they were freaked out because of the cameras.

It was funny to watch Jax and Beau hide out on the balcony trying to reach Stassi and Brittany before someone put something on social media.

I think you are correct.  Also good point that in the past, social media wasn’t anywhere near what it is now!  So much easier for Jax to get away with his bullshit back then lol!

Jax and Beau really could have called an Uber to take them home, if they couldn’t be chill.  

[OnceSane]

10 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

My memory is terrible for this sort of thing.  But is this the first time one of their guys nights that ended with them partying with girls got filmed?

No, the camera caught at least one other time, maybe when Tom & Kristen were still a thing?

[ParadoxLost]

2 minutes ago, geauxaway said:

I think you are correct.  Also good point that in the past, social media wasn’t anywhere near what it is now!  So much easier for Jax to get away with his bullshit back then lol!

Its not even social media.  Its the show.  I wouldn't put it past anyone there to tweet out a photo, even if nothing untoward happened, and tag or retweet it to the female cast.  That, IMO, is why Jax and Beau were so desperate to warn Stassi and Brittany.

[Batwings]

Brittany’s “Hey Huuuunny” to Jax on the phone makes me stabby.

I believe Jax really cannot trust himself around women, and Beau is just afraid of Stassi. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Kristen left the Uber car door open?

Edited February 19, 2019 by hoodooznoodooz

[geauxaway]

9 minutes ago, OnceSane said:

No, the camera caught at least one other time, maybe when Tom & Kristen were still a thing?

Was that the San Diego trip?

[Marley]

Peter is gross. Obviously trying to use the show and cameras to get laid. I just don’t care to ever see him and his long greasy hair.

I like Beau so it cracked me up when he said but we are the good guys and then corrected himself and says well I am and jokingly pushed Jax. 

Carter probably told Kristen that James was there cause he knows if she found out without him telling she would go even more crazy. I just don’t know if I buy the whole Carter is a bad guy storyline. They are still together today and seem to be just fine. Going off about Carter never paying anything while sitting next to LaLa sugar baby Kent is pretty hilarious too.

Those girls seemed next level trashy too. 

[ParadoxLost]

I kind of liked the pop up end to this one where the producers described that while offscreen Kristen was trying to figure out how to get home to West Hollywood right away and then decided that she could get to the real Copenhagen.

1 hour ago, Pop Tart said:

Feels like this was the continuation of the James redemption arc while the producers and cast were working the “Kristen’s crazy” storyline to the max. Yes Kristen was majorly drunk but much of what happened at the tail end of the episode was caused by the others (particularly Katie) getting in her face over and over.

Kristen has her problems but Katie came off worse to me in those scenes because it was so obvious that the producers had instructed her to try force Kristen into a conversation that would be good for filming but not good for Kristen.  When that failed, Katie called Carter.

Putting aside whatever is going on with Carter, Kristen's feeling towards James seem a lot like the same thing she was doing when she was trying to show the world that Sandoval cheated too.  It makes her nuts that she gets dumped on and not forgiven for things that others get a second chance for.  That is why LvP icing her out but letting James work for her makes Kristen nuts.  Kristen forgets that LvP only gives another chance to those that grovel and suck up to her satisfaction.  This is why James cries while being fired.

[Kiki777]

11 hours ago, Otherkate said:

Really uncomfortable with how happy I am for James that he got invited after all.

I'm right there with you- also found it almost cute how excited he was: "are we ordering a pizza? A cheese pizza?? Yes!!' I guess you have to be excited about the food when you're being sober.

2 hours ago, nexxie said:

Did they edit a bunch out of that Kristen scene - what was “so trashy?”

Maybe Lala just caught her reflection in the mirror before she said that, because I didn't get it either.

[Carolina Girl]

37 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

I kind of liked the pop up end to this one where the producers described that while offscreen Kristen was trying to figure out how to get home to West Hollywood right away and then decided that she could get to the real Copenhagen.

Kristen has her problems but Katie came off worse to me in those scenes because it was so obvious that the producers had instructed her to try force Kristen into a conversation that would be good for filming but not good for Kristen.  When that failed, Katie called Carter.

Putting aside whatever is going on with Carter, Kristen's feeling towards James seem a lot like the same thing she was doing when she was trying to show the world that Sandoval cheated too.  It makes her nuts that she gets dumped on and not forgiven for things that others get a second chance for.  That is why LvP icing her out but letting James work for her makes Kristen nuts.  Kristen forgets that LvP only gives another chance to those that grovel and suck up to her satisfaction.  This is why James cries while being fired.

Edited February 19, 2019 by Carolina Girl

[Sun-Bun]

So LaLa, the gal who has picked fights while out bar-hopping, has been revealed on national television to have drunkenly eaten out another coworker’s vagina after having bragged on national television about how her own vagina “takes the D like a champ,” suddenly thinks a gal taking a drunk tumble over a bench among friends is “so trashy?”

Yikes. Careful in that glass house of yours there, girl. I guess she’s suddenly the grand duchess of high society now that she’s a regular PJ flyer while locking down HerMan.

That said, I dunno how any of these broads can stand being around Kristen. I dunno which one is worse, her or Katie—-it’s wild to witness when friggin’ Scheana is actually acting cooler and more fun than the WeHo coven!!

Peter may be a professional among these losers, but he’s still gross. That was not a kind depiction of him cutting loose. It’s like he forgot all about the #metoo movement for a creepy few hours there. At least Sandoval seemed like a perfect gentleman amid the debauchery.

Beau is still adorable and a great catch for someone as weirdly particular as Stassi. In the words of Mama Stassi: “don’t screw it up!”

Jax wanted to mess around with those broads so bad, you could tell. That leopard’s spots will never change, despite his claims otherwise.

[LibertarianSlut]

I feel so torn because I agree with about 50% of what everyone is saying, and I see about 50% completely differently.

What I agree about with others:  it was nice to invite James, and he was being funny and pretty cool from what we saw.  Lala, with the robe, was, I think making a power move, like a Hugh Hefner things "I'm so fabulous that I don't even need to get dressed to go out (sort of like I don't need to drink to go wine tasting), and I didn't hate it, probably because it was so camp and out there and what the fuck.

Speaking of what the fuck, what the fuck were all of the women wearing?  Katie's outfit, with the 90s sneakers and silk top, was atrocious.  Scheana's romper would have bee ok without the thigh-high boots, Ariana looked like she was about to go riding in acid washed, ripped jeans, Brittany was dressed like a street walker that worked on a farm, Kristen's romper wasn't doing it for me (though the girl has some stems), so I guess Stassi's outfit won by default, although I don't know why such a large-bosomed woman wears an off-the-shoulder shirt with otherwise warm clothes.  Is that a thing now?  

I thought it was funny that Scheana was able to stay cool and take Lala's advice for exactly two seconds, and then she burst into tears because Katie didn't want to talk about braiding her hair! 

At least the women were behaving (for the most part).  Yeah, Kristen was freaking out, but there is something unresolved about her and James for which she needs therapy.  It's not like she just flipped out apropos of nothing.  I think she has control issues..  She is about 10 years too old to fly off the handle when she hears someone's name, or about some specific situation, but I've been in her shoes when I was younger.  They did the absolute right thing:  just let her go off into the wild blue yonder.  There is no use in dealing with crazy at that point.  

I don't think Carter is the problem.  I don't think he was gaslighting Kristen with those texts.  I think he was just telling her James was there so that she didn't find out about it later and think Carter was keeping things.  If Carter is freeloading off of Kristen, that is a different discussion, but I don't think he's abusing her.  I think some of these women (Stassi, Katie) just want to take up a cause, Carter be thy name du jour.

Speaking of freeloading, can someone who may be more socially media savvy than I am tell me what Beau actually does?  Because I don't think he has a job.  I think his job is to be Stassi's Boyfriend, and that was why he had no problem steaming her outfit a few episodes back.  I was never enamored by him--I still think she can do a lot better--but when I found out he was 38 years old and seemed to have nothing better to do than to hitch his wagon to Stassi's kinda famous 30 year old star, I realized I am never going to see him in a good light.

The guys' stay-cation caused all kinds of problems for me.  If Peter wants to get laid, I am positive there are women sliding into his DM's all day, every day, not to mention Tinder.  If he thinks he needs to, for some reason, meet a woman at a bar, he can just go to a bar, ask to buy a young lady a drink, happen to mention that he's on a TV show, and the panties will drop with gravity.  Peter--as unattractive as I personally may find him to be--can get laid in his sleep.  This whole thing was a set-up, and I guess if worked, because this was a really good freaking episode.  

I saw the Beau/Jax thing differently.  I didn't really understand why Beau was there, but ok.  But as soon as Jax starting freaking out (and I think Jax and Peter were coked up out of their minds on this episode, and Katie and Kristen had nibbled on several edibles in addition to alcohol), I saw Beau go rigid and I saw a thought bubble go up over his head that said, "please don't call the girls and let them ruin our time."  I think Jax, being two years old, didn't have the judgment to call a Lyft and wait in the lobby like a responsible reformed cheater, so he recruited Beau to get him out of what Jax saw as a mess, but I think Beau wanted nothing to do with the situation and he just wanted to hang out.  I think the coed hanging out is irresponsible and tasteless in the way they did it.  No one needed to go up to a hotel room.  No one needed to wait until the wives/girlfriends were out of town.  If Peter desperately needed some ass, why couldn't he enlist the help of the guys when everyone was there?  It seemed so shady and seedy the way they arranged it.

Between Peter being all slimy in his Miami Vice shoes, Jax acting like Scarface, Beau being stiff as a board, Carter being evasive to Katie (and I kinda saw him talking to a woman on-on-one before they called him onto the balcony), Schwartz being shit-faced and also having a penchant for cheating, the only ones who didn't seem like twits to me were Sandoval (probably because he exudes exactly zero sexual energy to me) and James (probably because he was on his best behavior, (although anyone else catch him vaping really quickly?), and normally those are my two least favorite guys. 

Anyone know where Adam was?  I bet he could have gotten there in seven minutes or less.

These group dynamics are so fucked up.  Everyone is worried about everyone else for the wrong reasons.  Kristen is mad at Carter because of James.  Katie seems slightly ticked at Schwartz because of how it looks on camera that he's hanging out with other girls, not because he might actually cheat on her again, Stassi and Brittany threatening the women who are with their men, but not asking their men to leave what is in all likelihood inappropriate circumstances...oy yoy yoy.

James's brother for the win?

[biakbiak]

5 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

avvy than I am tell me what Beau actually does?  Because

He works in commercial casting.

[Marley]

Beau 100% has a job. He works in commercial casting and is definitely not freeloading off Stassi. Sorry Beau fan here lol. He cracks me up on his Instagram.

Jax did seem pretty coked up though a bit frantic. He was freaking out about calling Britanny cause he may not be able to control himself. Beau seemed chill like he knew it was a party but wasn’t gonna do anything innapropriate. 

Sandoval was being pretty flirty from what I saw and at one point someone tries to go into one of the bathrooms and he says no don’t go in there..pretty sure they were doing drugs in the bathroom away from the cameras. 

Jax is always stuffed up tho which is a telltale sign of coke use lol.

Edited February 19, 2019 by Marley

[WhosThatGirl]

I kind of get why Kristen freaked out tonight? I mean I think she goes too far on the drinking but don’t they all but I get why she doesn’t understand how James can get away with his behavior and why Lisa holds a grudge against her. I also agree with Stassi and Katie, there’s more going on with her and carter and according to her wwhl quotes, we’re going to see it all unfold on the show. I also agree with someone else that everyone else started to make it worse, it is kind of aggravating when people tell you to behave a certain way when you’re already upset and making you and your emotional self the topic of conversation. Not to mention I also agree it’s annoying when your friends make you the big joke and continue to put it out there. It’s kind of sad.

I don’t know. I didn’t like this episode. maybe I’m alone but I’m kind of over all these people. As Marie Kondo says it does not bring me joy much anymore.

[HunterHunted]

2 hours ago, geauxaway said:

Was that the San Diego trip?

Yes, it was. Though Jax denies cheating on Tiffany, the casino host that he was dating simultaneously to Carmen and who hooked them up with the room and VIP access, a producer recorded footage on her iPhone of Jax and the guys' debauchery, but it was too dark to use.

2 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

Kristen has her problems but Katie came off worse to me in those scenes because it was so obvious that the producers had instructed her to try force Kristen into a conversation that would be good for filming but not good for Kristen.  When that failed, Katie called Carter.

Katie is just so awful. She also seems to have Katie related hypocrisy blindness and seems wholly incapable of being the bigger person. Katie thinks that Scheana said some awful things. Katie thinks it will be a long time before she and Scheana are friends again. So why is Katie asking Scheana probing questions about who Scheana is having sex with? It's not enough for Katie to say she's a better person than Scheana; she actually has to be a better person. Katie absolutely is not. Katie is a fundamentally awful nasty judgemental scold.

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Putting aside whatever is going on with Carter, Kristen's feeling towards James seem a lot like the same thing she was doing when she was trying to show the world that Sandoval cheated too.  It makes her nuts that she gets dumped on and not forgiven for things that others get a second chance for.  That is why LvP icing her out but letting James work for her makes Kristen nuts.  Kristen forgets that LvP only gives another chance to those that grovel and suck up to her satisfaction.  This is why James cries while being fired.

I feel badly for Kristen that her so called friends don't just explain it to her.

[biakbiak]

I love Schwartz correcting Lisa not that Jax wouldn’t shag someone else but that he hadn’t shagged his girlfriend but rather Sandoval’s girlfriend.

[LibertarianSlut]

Thank you @biakbiak and @Marley for the quick Beau info.

 I don't follow them (or anyone) on social media, and I don't listen to Stassi's podcast.  Forgive me, and I'm not trying to go down the rabbit hole with this, but is there any evidence that Beau is actually out there working 40 or more hours a week?  I did my own little Internet search, and the Internet said that Beau doesn't have a LinkedIn profile, which I find strange, and one story reported that it is difficult to find info on him. He is not listed on his own agency's website (that I could find).  I would think someone in that industry would be easily accessible and present on the Internet for their career, not as Stassi's boyfriend, which is all that seems to pop up. 

I get the impression--and someone feel free to shoot me down if I'm wrong--that Beau works on "projects" (no shade; I just get the feeling he's a 1099 employee), and I get the further impression that he is between projects right now, and it wouldn't surprise me if he was between projects this whole season.  I only know what I see, and it seems Beau is everywhere and readily available for filming day and night. Nothing on the show leads me to believe he waking up at 5:15 every day to fight LA traffic or making other career sacrifices.  I could be wrong.

(This whole train of thought could also be colored by my cousins, two of whom got B.A.'s and sort of ran around LA doing "important-sounding things" when they were really glorified assistants doing very close to nothing).

 I am just that cynical person who, if a guy tells me he's "in finance," I take that to mean he pays his cable bill online, and "sports marketing" means he hands out Gatorade to minor league baseball players until I see evidence pointing otherwise. So I'm not completely ready to give up the ghost when I hear "commercial casting," but I'd like to be wrong.  I hope this is a guy who is making his own money, living in his own place (with no help from mom and dad), who really, truly is there for the right reasons.

I mean, it would be nice to see that once on this show in seven seasons...

[geauxaway]

I agree with everyone who thinks there were drugs going down in the hotel room.  Only because the more I thought about it, the more I was like why would anyone choose to go party in a hotel room versus the bar or a club at 11:40 PM (unless they truly wanted to retire to their room).

This is all I could come up with (not going to lie, all based on life experience lol):

1. Underage, no choice but to drink in the room.

2.  Broke.  It’s “free” to drink in the room.

3.  Do drugs.

4. Get naked.

I am also willing to bet that Brittany doesn’t have the balls to be angry and will make excuses for Jax behavior.  Reformed my ass.  

[bichonblitz]

2 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I get the impression--and someone feel free to shoot me down if I'm wrong--that Beau works on "projects" (no shade; I just get the feeling he's a 1099 employee), and I get the further impression that he is between projects right now, and it wouldn't surprise me if he was between projects this whole season.  I only know what I see, and it seems Beau is everywhere and readily available for filming day and night. Nothing on the show leads me to believe he waking up at 5:15 every day to fight LA traffic or making other career sacrifices.  I could be wrong.

Well, I'm not gonna shoot you down. He also had plenty of time to travel Europe with Stassi when the show was on hiatus. Beau seems like an ok guy but I'm not getting why people love him so much. He's not a cheater and he doesn't appear to lie so I guess that's an improvement over Stassi's typical boyfriends. She has him on her podcasts often and frankly his personality grates. He tries too hard to be funny and snarky and it doesn't work for me but Stassi loves it and she loves him so cheers to them!. 

[HunterHunted]

2 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Forgive me, and I'm not trying to go down the rabbit hole with this, but is there any evidence that Beau is actually out there working 40 or more hours a week? I did my own little Internet search, and the Internet said that Beau doesn't have a LinkedIn profile, which I find strange, and one story reported that it is difficult to find info on him. He is not listed on his own agency's website (that I could find). I would think someone in that industry would be easily accessible and present on the Internet for their career, not as Stassi's boyfriend, which is all that seems to pop up. 

I don't think having or not having a LinkedIn profile means all that much, especially depending on the industry. I always use the Shahs as a measurement because they're all in their late 30s and 40s. They really did have to work for a living. About half of them have LinkedIn profiles (Nema, Mona, Mike, and MJ do; Reza, Shervin, and Tommy don't and we know Shervin's real business is computer recycling).

Presumably, this is Beau's casting agency:

http://www.sanfordcasting.com/contact/index.html

Beau's name is listed under the staff listing.

[teapot]

9 hours ago, Sun-Bun said:

That said, I dunno how any of these broads can stand being around Kristen. I dunno which one is worse, her or Katie—-it’s wild to witness when friggin’ Scheana is actually acting cooler and more fun than the WeHo coven!!

I don't think she gets a great edit.  It was her birthday last week, and people wrote the most beautiful posts about how she's the "mom" of the group, how she'll do anything for her friends.  Stassi always talks on her podcast about how Kiristen can make anything happen & always gets shit done, and she'll make the difficult phone calls and ask about upgrades, etc.

She sounds great, but then on camera she's either insane or just there.  It must be frustrating for her.

[Carolina Girl]

Kristen wants to know why Lisa will forgive James but not forgive her.  I have an idea:

I've never seen or read anything advising the mechanisms re casting the first season of VR - we know it was "linked" into an episode of PHOBH and did a seamless transition with Scheana coming over to SUR from Villa Blanca.  I'm assuming that LVP thought the particular core group of friends - Stassi, Jax, Tom, Katie, Tom, Kristen would work, throwing Scheana in for drama.  After all, Arianna (Scheana's friend) wasn't part of the first season (or second I don't think), and I was at a loss why Scheana would even try to infiltrate that group unless it was scripted she do so.  She still has whatever friends at Villa Blanca,   Maybe LVP wanted to give Scheana her reality chance and moving her to SUR was the only way to do this.

That being said, you have this core group.  I think who Lisa really wanted was Stassi and Jax, the two Toms and Katie.  I don't think she's liked Kristen from the get-go or that  the show has anything to do with it.  Unfortunately, to have Sandoval in the show, she had to have his girlfriend at the time as well, and that was Kristen.  We've seen clips of Kristen being out and out snotty and insubordinate to Lisa and others and Lisa doesn't fire her (probably because Sandoval would quit too, and he is a skilled and inventive bartender if nothing else).  Kristen knows that without her relationship with Sandoval, she has no role on the show.  

Enter James.  Originally brought in as a bus boy, but he is Max's best friend and old friend of the family to Lisa, and he gets a non-credit slot in the second season.  Then, when Sandoval has has enough and kicks Kristen to the curb (and Arianna became the reason of convenience), Kristen knows her slot on the show is now in jeopardy so she latches on to James, because even as a minor player with the group, she has reason to appear on camera.  Also you don't know if the breakup with Tom will last.  When it appears it will, Kristen goes batshit crazy, creating a highly dramatic storyline that gets her camera time, but also gets her fired because she finally goes one step too far.  I think the NON-VP staffers at SUR didn't like her one bit - as I've mentioned before, the kitchen staff seemed overjoyed she got the boot.

Kristen breaks up with James in the next season, and frankly both of them acted deplorably.  But now Kristen has NO tie to the group.  Fortunately, Stassi is AWOL and left a pissed-off LVP in her wake.  Katie has assumed the "head bitch in charge" role and if I had to guess, asked Lisa to let Kristen stay on in an auxiliary role.  LVP likes Katie and acquiesces and allows Kristen to continue on the show, even letting her reclaim her credits role (I seem to remember she lost it for one season).   

It isn't a matter of LVP giving James extra chances and not Kristen.  James is the son of a family friend and has appeared very contrite after misbehaving - and at least appears to be following some semblance of the advice.  Kristen does nothing but snot about how LVP won't forgive her.  Bitch, get real - Lisa doesn't like you; Lisa NEVER did.  She doesn't owe you any second, third or fourth chances.  You stay if you want but Lisa isn't going to go out of her way to make you feel welcome.  

Of course, the above is sheer speculation, just my thoughts.  It's been awhile since I've seen season one, and to use a phrase we loved at Television Without Pity - I'm sure there are Eagle Eyed Forum Posters that will remember tidbits of seasons past that will remind me why my analysis belongs in that fabulous new auto-lid lift trash can that I acquired over the weekend at great expense from Home Depot.

[nexxie]

Anyone else have the feeling that Jax is desperately trying to change in order to have a family before he’s too old, but will be back to his horn-dog ways as soon as his new wife is plumply pregnant?

[heatherchandler]

12 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Can someone explain why Lala was wearing my mom's 80s robe all day?

At first I thought - maybe Kristen and Carter fight all the time because she shows more emotion towards her ex than him. I kind of felt bad for the dude. But then, why is he texting her about James, knowing it will rile her up? Lots of dysfunction with those two.

So NOW Scheana can't talk about Adam? I can't with her. She's too much work. 

Tom is a bit too obvious to be a wing man. He needs to work on his subtlety. Also, I think he really enjoys getting attention from those girls, without actually crossing a line. I see you, Sandoval. 

Meanwhile, Jax and Beau are hiding on the balcony. They cracked me up. 

When Sandoval said, "and we will have them at MY BAR!"  I almost spit out my drink.  

Jax said something interesting about how HE won't do anything wrong, but he can't speak for everyone... He is trying to imply that Sandoval and maybe Schwartz would do something.  And he's probably right, IF the cameras weren't there.

24 minutes ago, Carolina Girl said:

Kristen wants to know why Lisa will forgive James but not forgive her.  I have an idea:

I've never seen or read anything advising the mechanisms re casting the first season of VR - we know it was "linked" into an episode of PHOBH and did a seamless transition with Scheana coming over to SUR from Villa Blanca.  I'm assuming that LVP thought the particular core group of friends - Stassi, Jax, Tom, Katie, Tom, Kristen would work, throwing Scheana in for drama.  After all, Arianna (Scheana's friend) wasn't part of the first season (or second I don't think), and I was at a loss why Scheana would even try to infiltrate that group unless it was scripted she do so.  She still has whatever friends at Villa Blanca,   Maybe LVP wanted to give Scheana her reality chance and moving her to SUR was the only way to do this.

That being said, you have this core group.  I think who Lisa really wanted was Stassi and Jax, the two Toms and Katie.  I don't think she's liked Kristen from the get-go or that  the show has anything to do with it.  Unfortunately, to have Sandoval in the show, she had to have his girlfriend at the time as well, and that was Kristen.  We've seen clips of Kristen being out and out snotty and insubordinate to Lisa and others and Lisa doesn't fire her (probably because Sandoval would quit too, and he is a skilled and inventive bartender if nothing else).  Kristen knows that without her relationship with Sandoval, she has no role on the show.  

Enter James.  Originally brought in as a bus boy, but he is Max's best friend and old friend of the family to Lisa, and he gets a non-credit slot in the second season.  Then, when Sandoval has has enough and kicks Kristen to the curb (and Arianna became the reason of convenience), Kristen knows her slot on the show is now in jeopardy so she latches on to James, because even as a minor player with the group, she has reason to appear on camera.  Also you don't know if the breakup with Tom will last.  When it appears it will, Kristen goes batshit crazy, creating a highly dramatic storyline that gets her camera time, but also gets her fired because she finally goes one step too far.  I think the NON-VP staffers at SUR didn't like her one bit - as I've mentioned before, the kitchen staff seemed overjoyed she got the boot.

Kristen breaks up with James in the next season, and frankly both of them acted deplorably.  But now Kristen has NO tie to the group.  Fortunately, Stassi is AWOL and left a pissed-off LVP in her wake.  Katie has assumed the "head bitch in charge" role and if I had to guess, asked Lisa to let Kristen stay on in an auxiliary role.  LVP likes Katie and acquiesces and allows Kristen to continue on the show, even letting her reclaim her credits role (I seem to remember she lost it for one season).   

It isn't a matter of LVP giving James extra chances and not Kristen.  James is the son of a family friend and has appeared very contrite after misbehaving - and at least appears to be following some semblance of the advice.  Kristen does nothing but snot about how LVP won't forgive her.  Bitch, get real - Lisa doesn't like you; Lisa NEVER did.  She doesn't owe you any second, third or fourth chances.  You stay if you want but Lisa isn't going to go out of her way to make you feel welcome.  

Of course, the above is sheer speculation, just my thoughts.  It's been awhile since I've seen season one, and to use a phrase we loved at Television Without Pity - I'm sure there are Eagle Eyed Forum Posters that will remember tidbits of seasons past that will remind me why my analysis belongs in that fabulous new auto-lid lift trash can that I acquired over the weekend at great expense from Home Depot.

I agree with this theory - everything except that James is an old friend of the family.  Lisa said she had met James' parents a long time ago, but they are not close.  James is the one who is perpetuating that.  Lisa does have a soft spot for him, but I think it has to do with the fact that he brings in a lot of customers, and makes her money.

[Jennifersdc]

1 hour ago, geauxaway said:

I agree with everyone who thinks there were drugs going down in the hotel room.  Only because the more I thought about it, the more I was like why would anyone choose to go party in a hotel room versus the bar or a club at 11:40 PM (unless they truly wanted to retire to their room).

This is all I could come up with (not going to lie, all based on life experience lol):

1. Underage, no choice but to drink in the room.

2.  Broke.  It’s “free” to drink in the room.

3.  Do drugs.

4. Get naked.

I am also willing to bet that Brittany doesn’t have the balls to be angry and will make excuses for Jax behavior.  Reformed my ass.  

Sandoval was definitely doing some sort of drugs with that girl on the patio - though it may just have been a joint.

[Carolina Girl]

1 minute ago, heatherchandler said:

I agree with this theory - everything except that James is an old friend of the family.  Lisa said she had met James' parents a long time ago, but they are not close.  James is the one who is perpetuating that.  Lisa does have a soft spot for him, but I think it has to do with the fact that he brings in a lot of customers, and makes her money.

Now see, I thought from the way she talked with the James Mommy of Crazy that they were buddies.  I agree that LVP and her partners do see revenue when he's DJ'ing.  

I thought he was very funny and entertaining last night - the "cheese pizza" and "runway" segments were funny.  

[Juliegirlj]

Jax was either adderall ‘ed or coked up - he looked like a deer in headlights. 

Kristen and Carter have a very toxic relationship. Carter is an ass for getting Kristin riled up about James, and Kristen is pathetic for just about everything. 

[Sun-Bun]

25 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Anyone else have the feeling that Jax is desperately trying to change in order to have a family before he’s too old, but will be back to his horn-dog ways as soon as his new wife is plumply pregnant?

Oh yeah, I’ve felt this from the get-go with those two! If he thinks Brittany is “fat” now, he’s in for a roller coaster when she’s at her most pregnant and laid up, God forbid she doesn’t immediately ditch her extra baby weight. If her boob job recovery was any indication, you know he’ll be bored stupid having to wait on her hand and foot for at least 3-4 months pre and post birth.

And while the baby/child might distract him for a while, I see him still sneaking around on the side as soon as the child gets older and requires less constant care. He’ll probably be the typical bored dad type, who suddenly realizes that parenting is damned difficult and thanklessly hard work. For her sake though, I hope I’m wrong.

[Higgins]

Jax was wired for sure.

[bichonblitz]

4 minutes ago, Sun-Bun said:

Oh yeah, I’ve felt this from the get-go with those two! If he thinks Brittany is “fat” now, he’s in for a roller coaster when she’s at her most pregnant and laid up, God forbid she doesn’t immediately ditch her extra baby weight. If her boob job recovery was any indication, you know he’ll be bored stupid having to wait on her hand and foot for at least 3-4 months pre and post birth.

And while the baby/child might distract him for a while, I see him still sneaking around on the side as soon as the child gets older and requires less constant care. He’ll probably be the typical bored dad type, who suddenly realizes that parenting is damned difficult and thanklessly hard work. For her sake though, I hope I’m wrong.

I firmly believe that after a kid comes along, Brit has a plan to move back to her hometown in Kentucky to be with her family and friends. Jax will follow, then after they pop out another kid,  Brit will have gained a few lbs and the thrill will be gone. Jax will crave the Cali life he once had and his besties Tom and Tom. He will blow it for sure. Just a matter of time. 

[Rosiejuliemom]

13 hours ago, ghoulina said:

At first I thought - maybe Kristen and Carter fight all the time because she shows more emotion towards her ex than him. I kind of felt bad for the dude. But then, why is he texting her about James, knowing it will rile her up? Lots of dysfunction with those two.

This is the same shit that happened when she was with James and obsessing over Sandoval. It's a pattern for her.

I also think that double standards just drive her nuts, especially when she gets slammed for doing the same shit they all do, yet nobody else is in the doghouse for very long. I get it, but she needs to keep going to therapy and calm down about it.

54 minutes ago, Carolina Girl said:

We've seen clips of Kristen being out and out snotty and insubordinate to Lisa and others and Lisa doesn't fire her (probably because Sandoval would quit too, and he is a skilled and inventive bartender if nothing else).

Lisa said in the first season that Kristen was one of her best SURvers and had worked for her for several years.