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S05.E15: Hell

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Bishop Heahmund is wracked with guilt as he fights to renounce his passions.  Viking will clash with Saxon on the battlefield leaving a key figure lost in the balance.

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Ye Gods, what the hell did I just watch?  When Vikings was first on air, a joint Canadian/Irish production on a small budget, it was so fun.  Now they are constantly trying to be Game of Thrones, and playing WAY too fast and loose with history and historical figures, it's just become utter dreck.  I know Hirst has always claimed he wasn't presenting it as historical, but the thing is, now they are playing seriously with written history.  People look up who was Alfred's mother, and what pops up is JUDITH. She wasn't the mother of Alfred The Great, his mother was Osburh.  He was one of 5 children of Aethelwulf.  Stop it, show! 

It is easier with Viking history because much of it is lore, not written down and thus if they have their characters "kinda" living at the same time as written English accounts, then it's ok.   But Harald Finehair died around 1066(ish) while Alfred reigned from 871-886, that's 200 years difference. That's some loose history.

And why the hell is Lagertha's hair suddenly blue? Ok, maybe ash blonde but more blue than blonde. On both computer and TV.  Don't get me started on how magical she must be, everyone she meets male or female, beds her and falls in love with her.  She has some great plot armour, I imagine she's under Harold's cloak on the way back to Kattegat to be murdered again by the big bad Ivar.

Bye, Heahmund, you were a freak...

The only thing I'm glad of, is not to be watching more of Floki's depressing camping trip in the rain. 

Is there supposed to be more episodes? Kodi only showed 4, with this episode being the last.

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From the neck up, Alfred looks like a 19th century French dandy.

Suddenly, Ivar’s boo is about 8 months pregnant? WTF?

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Bye Heahmund. Really there wasn’t anything else they could do with him, so kill him off they did. No surprise, I knew when they showed his dream about the devil he was a goner. I liked the fight scenes. 

where’s Lagertha? I hope she’s not hiding somewhere because she’s depressed about losing Heahmund. What happened to her? She used to be so strong. She’s like a shadow of her former self. And had better hair too. 

I didn’t miss Floki and his unhappy campers at all. I don’t think this was the last episode, they showed previews for next week. 

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There are 5 episodes left to go in season 5.

That was a sudden end to Heahmund's  story line. Makes me wonder whether JRM fell off the wagon or something like that. 

I am glad that Harald survived and got away licking his wounds.  If you had told me back when he was first introduced that I would come to really appreciate the character I wouldn't have believed you.

Oh my, Magnus sure is deluded.  Keep on believing that Christ will be forgotten soon and the Viking gods will live on forever.  However, the actor playing him is rather good so I don't mind Magnus continuing to stir up trouble.

Damn it, Judith, now that Aethelred had saved and chosen Alfred you just had to ruin it all.

Is the captured Gunnhild the next vessel for Bjorns magical penis?

I wonder whether Harald captured Lagertha?

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Aethelred may have had a very poor lapse in judgment (thankfully, it was brief and ended before the ultimate plan took place) but he chose, in his own free will, to save Alfred's life. I am going to be so pissed if they take him out. I was kinda getting burned out on Heahmund's Batman voice but I admit I did kinda cry when he died. 

Magnus is just like a broken compass. He has no direction whatsoever and I am struggling to understand his meaning in this whole story line. 

@magdalene, I do think Harald captured Lagertha. 

I am so relieved that Ubbe and Tori (spelling?) are ok. 

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8 hours ago, magdalene said:

 

 

There are 5 episodes left to go in season 5.

That was a sudden end to Heahmund's  story line. Makes me wonder whether JRM fell off the wagon or something like that. 

I am glad that Harald survived and got away licking his wounds.  If you had told me back when he was first introduced that I would come to really appreciate the character I wouldn't have believed you.

Oh my, Magnus sure is deluded.  Keep on believing that Christ will be forgotten soon and the Viking gods will live on forever.  However, the actor playing him is rather good so I don't mind Magnus continuing to stir up trouble.

Damn it, Judith, now that Aethelred had saved and chosen Alfred you just had to ruin it all.

Is the captured Gunnhild the next vessel for Bjorns magical penis?

I wonder whether Harald captured Lagertha?

Probably,a scene is mentioned  with Gunhild and Bjorn,and she's wearing a dress that shows that she has nothing under it.We know where's that heading.

 

My remarks:

-Heahmund was kinda interesting until they made him Lagretha's lover boy,I'm still bummed out a bit that he's gone though.

-Ivar has become such a cartoon stereotypical villain that all he's missing is a chariot powered by humans and a whip.

-I don't see how Ubbe would win over Harald,since Harald probably went through more battles and had to plan  a lot of attacks to become a king.  

-I want to see whatever happened to Rollo's kids

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6 minutes ago, alvajon said:

Did anyone but me wonder how Alfred grew those sideburns like overnight?

I did.It looks like he got puberty overnight.

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8 hours ago, whoknowswho said:

And why the hell is Lagertha's hair suddenly blue?

All I could think of was the little old blue-haired ladies that use Fanci-full Rinse.  The hair stylist on this production have won numerous awards, but they must be running out of ideas.

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8 hours ago, whoknowswho said:

Ye Gods, what the hell did I just watch?  When Vikings was first on air, a joint Canadian/Irish production on a small budget, it was so fun.  Now they are constantly trying to be Game of Thrones, and playing WAY too fast and loose with history and historical figures, it's just become utter dreck.  I know Hirst has always claimed he wasn't presenting it as historical, but the thing is, now they are playing seriously with written history.  People look up who was Alfred's mother, and what pops up is JUDITH. She wasn't the mother of Alfred The Great, his mother was Osburh.  He was one of 5 children of Aethelwulf.  Stop it, show! 

It is easier with Viking history because much of it is lore, not written down and thus if they have their characters "kinda" living at the same time as written English accounts, then it's ok.   But Harald Finehair died around 1066(ish) while Alfred reigned from 871-886, that's 200 years difference. That's some loose history.

And why the hell is Lagertha's hair suddenly blue? Ok, maybe ash blonde but more blue than blonde. On both computer and TV.  Don't get me started on how magical she must be, everyone she meets male or female, beds her and falls in love with her.  She has some great plot armour, I imagine she's under Harold's cloak on the way back to Kattegat to be murdered again by the big bad Ivar.

Bye, Heahmund, you were a freak...

The only thing I'm glad of, is not to be watching more of Floki's depressing camping trip in the rain. 

Is there supposed to be more episodes? Kodi only showed 4, with this episode being the last.

Re: Lagertha's hair, I saw it as something similar to Rogue in the X-men. When she had that meltdown and almost died, her dark hair grew a random thick strip of white. Idk for sure though, but your post pretty much sums up my entire thoughts verbatim. 

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I kind of figured that the Jarl was going to die in battle but I cracked up at his wife looking at him when he got the arrow through his head.  In her mind she was thinking "Thank goodness, on to Harald!"  She never counted on Bjorn capturing her though.

I was surprised that Magnus the Mongrel was fearless and could fight as well as he did.  I guess he also had a lot of pent up anger inside him which helped.

I was glad that Aethelred saved his brother's life but I think that Alfred will have to have him killed anyway because he can never trust him.  

Oh Freydis, you are so going to get fucked, and that word does not mean what you think it means.

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The show has definitely lost its magic. I'm so glad that the bishop is gone (not even going to try spelling his name correctly). I couldn't stand him and thought his obsession with Lagertha was ridiculous.

 

I'm sad. I really enjoyed this show. There is so much promise and they could fix it, but it has gone from an interesting, character-driven, slice of life to a plot driven mess. 

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1 hour ago, Ohwell said:

 

I kind of figured that the Jarl was going to die in battle but I cracked up at his wife looking at him when he got the arrow through his head.  In her mind she was thinking "Thank goodness, on to Harald!"  She never counted on Bjorn capturing her though.

I was surprised that Magnus the Mongrel was fearless and could fight as well as he did.  I guess he also had a lot of pent up anger inside him which helped.

I was glad that Aethelwulf saved his brother's life but I think that Alfred will have to have him killed anyway because he can never trust him.  

Oh Freydis, you are so going to get fucked, and that word does not mean what you think it means.

*Athelred,not Athelwulf.The actor does look like Moe Dunford though.

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40 minutes ago, Hyrrokkin said:

*Athelred,the actor does look like Moe Dunford though.

Yes, Aethelred.

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47 minutes ago, Lady Iris said:

Its a moot point now but has Heahmund been getting pronounced Hegman?

I was worried Ubbe was gonna get it not JRM.

I was rewatching season 5a,it was pronounced sometimes as heagmund ,the pronunciation has no consistency for some reason.Bjorn was even  pronounced as "Bjern" in previous seasons.

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I don't understand all the negativity towards JRM.  I like him as an actor and did not mind seeing him in Vikings. I'm glad his character went out like a badass.  The same cannot be said for Lagertha, as in I won't mind not seeing her if in fact they actually killed her off.  I don't know what happened to her, but I don't think she's dead and I can't understand why she isn't.  She has really worn out her welcome, along with Ivar.  Jeez, he is beyond crazy and tiresome.  But, I can't wait until he learns his wife is a liar and fraud.  Please let this be the pay off for having to sit through their scenes.  I'm glad Ubbe and Torvi survived another battle.  The actor playing Alfred is unimpressive, doubly so with his new look.  And since when has Judith been all head of security and torture master?  I really can't stand the character or the actress and wish she'd die, too.  I don't know what Bjorn's story is, but I know I don't want to see him hooking up with another fly-by-night shield maiden.  The battle was interesting to watch although the editing with Alfred's monologue was odd.  I thought this episode was a mixed bag and left me wondering how much longer this series can run.

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I guess Lagertha's supposed to be "old" and tired by now, so I wish they'd just let her die a peaceful death.  She just looks sad and out of place now and I felt bad for her having to watch Heahmund die.   

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Lagertha's story is pretty much character assassination.  She just walks away from Kattegut because of one loss in battle?  To follow a man?  Seriously??? I know they didn't have an army, but she's been a queen, a ruler, commanded men and women and the people love her.    Plus I never bought their supposed great love.  It was fitting that Bishop Bad Actor went out because he was going all goo-goo eyes on her.  I'm still not sure why he was on this show at all, he didn't advance the plot or any of the characters.

Judith being torture mistress was ridiculous - another example of the show not knowing what to do with a character.  I just don't have a lot of interest in the goings on of Wessex, court intrigue bores me. 

I was interested in Hvitserk doing something, yay! and playing Viking detective.  More of that, please.

Ubbe is a non-entity to me.  What does he care about, what does he want?  He seems to have things happen to him, rather than causing them to happen.   Bjorn suffers from the same problem.  At the beginning of the season we had the "Story of Bjorn" episode which makes one think he may have more of a story going forward but nope.

At least we didn't have Floki and the island of nobodies. 

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Oh Athelred. He decided to stand by his brother, but will still probably be brought down by Judith and her one woman Wessex Inquisition. I am enjoying Alfred though, and his growing friendship with Ubbe, it calls back to the good old days of Ragnar and his cross cultural friendships, especially with Athelston. I think there was even a direct call back, when Ubbe was giving Alfred some last minute fighting pointers, and he tells Alfred to "never hesitate", which is I believe Ragnar told Athelston one time when they were training together, way back in the day. Glad that Ubbe and Torvi made it out alright. 

I also liked the little scene where Torvi is trying to get Ubbe to wear both a cross, AND a Norse relic, because, hey, why not be protected on all fronts? And Ubbe is totally right about how Ragnar would feel about Ubbe converting to Christianity to get the land they want and secure an alliance. He would have totally got it.

The rest of the episode was kind of meh. Bjorn has a weird Meet Cute with the shield maiden women who Harald was into (because Bjorn is the freaking Lana Lang of the middle ages apparently. No one can resist his sexiness!), the Bishop dies, and Magnus throws in his lot with yet another group of people. I want to be annoyed with him, but the actor reall is compelling, so I am actually pretty into his story. Not enough to carry a season or anything, but I am not bored, which is certainly more than I can say about some plots, like Floki and his saddest camping trip, Bjorn and his many ladies, and whatever is going on with Judith. 

I admit that I am kind of sad about The Bishop dying, even though I am find with him being gone. I felt like he never really fit with the show, or the show never knew what to do with him. His romance with Lagatha was always half assed, and while I did enjoy the conflict of the character, being a devoted, even obsessive Christian who had the blood lust his faith supposedly hated in their pagan adversaries, it was never really used to its full potential. 

 Hvitserk just walking around giving everything super judgmental looks for buying into Ivars crap is hilarious. Yeah, Ivar murdered the areas most revered holy man, and he tries to cover it up while making himself look like the real hero helping his people through the dark times after the Seers disappearance and probably murder. Thats classic Ivar. 

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2 hours ago, raven said:

At least we didn't have Floki and the island of nobodies. 

Bahahahahah! Poor Floki. He used to be so cool. Now he's just the ruler of a dirtier place and dirtier sadder people.

 

1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

(because Bjorn is the freaking Lana Lang of the middle ages apparently. No one can resist his sexiness!),

HEE!

This new shieldmaiden of his reminds me of Shannon from Lost.

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I'll give the show credit where credit is due.  That was one beautifully shot battle.  At a point where I really didn't think the show had it in it to really impress me anymore, it was really horribly gorgeous in the way only a handful of medieval battles I can think of have been on film.  Some of it didn't make much sense, but still great to look at.

Beyond that, sure, show.  Why not let Judith be a master torturer on top of all her other random and myriad talents?  Apparently just letting her find out what the torture had gleaned and interpreting it and passing it along wouldn't have been enough?   Either someone in the production end of things is in love with this actress or she's got something on someone.  I was under the impression though from last episode that Alfred already had a pretty good idea what Athelred had been up to and decided to play on their brotherly affection to head him off.   Hopefully, his big battlefield save will be worth something because Mommy Dearest of Not You just cheerfully threw him under the catapult.

So long, Bishop Bad Actor.  Your death meant about as little in the grand scheme of things as your presence in the story overall.  I'm only sorry you've been dragging Lagertha down with you for the better part of a season.  I get it.  Lagertha's getting older in a culture that didn't really celebrate longevity as much as getting a good death, preferably in battle.  She was knocked off the throne she schemed and waited for for years and has to live as an exile charity case among people she helped defeat years before.  So she's kind of at loose ends with not much to show for her time.  But good gods, give her something to do rather than moon after such a poorly executed character.  The idea of a fierce fighting holy man caught between conflicting impulses was a decent one, but it was like either the show or the actor never really figured out how to translate that character beyond the raw idea and after he ran his course playing poorly off Ivar threw him into a romance babbling terrible romance novel lines for lack of any better suggestions.

Magnus is still reading like a guy who desperately wants to cosplay being a Viking talking about "our gods" and "our ways."  Dude, had you ever actually met any real Vikings before the Ragnarssons showed up?  Still, he did show that he can hold his own fighting among them, which I guess proves that years of highly focused rage is good for something, but now he'll probably be sailed back to Kattegat where Ivar will likely promptly murder him to have one less "brother" around as competition, no matter how unlikely.  

Ivar's motivation is a total cliche at this point even if I actually do find it plausible, but his wondering what exactly he's supposed to be doing as a god was at least mildly amusing.  Mrs. Ivar better hope she can keep this dog and pony show going because he was all but telling her in foot-high letters that he has a lot of hopes pinned on all of this being the real deal and that he doesn't deal with disappointment well At. All.  Which again, shouldn't be news to anyone.

I'm fine with it if Hvitserk does nothing else but appear in scenes to give everybody hilarious side-eye for buying into the Ivar as god nonsense.  It was clearly all he could do in the big hall scene not to exclaim "just how dumb are you people believing any of this?"

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The battle scene definitely brought this episode into good territory.  They did a great job shooting it but it was the musical score that I think I liked the best.

I continue to like the Alfred character and his storyline with Ubbe.  That's been a highlight of the season. 

Figured that Bjorn was just using Magnus.  LOL about Magnus being a Vikings cosplayer.  So true.  Glad that Harald lived as he's one of the best characters on the show. 

So long, Bishop Bad Actor.  The character was a giant missed opportunity but at least he left us with some hilarious facial expressions in this episode.  He's really done a number on Lagertha.  There was nothing wrong with her using him as a boy toy but being all devastated over his death is embarrassing and a real character assassination for her.

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14 hours ago, raven said:

I'm still not sure why he was on this show at all, he didn't advance the plot or any of the characters.

I figure that he was written to show the beginning of the Knights Templar, which of course, was the show following Vikings last year.

14 hours ago, taurusrose said:

 The same cannot be said for Lagertha, as in I won't mind not seeing her if in fact they actually killed her off.

Your comment made me realize that it could be her character assassination before departure, much like Ragnar and the Asian woman.  It is designed to soften the blow when  a major character dies.  Maybe that's what Hirst is doing with Floki, too???

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Just what is happening with Floki? I can't remember but did they sink their ships or something? Can't they go back home? Those poor people look so tired on living on that dirty depressing rock.

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50 minutes ago, Babalooie said:

Your comment made me realize that it could be her character assassination before departure, much like Ragnar and the Asian woman.  It is designed to soften the blow when  a major character dies.  Maybe that's what Hirst is doing with Floki, too???

I think you might be on to something regarding Lagertha, and possibly Floki.  I'm ready for Lagertha to die a peaceful death and not at the hands of Harald or, God forbid, Ivar, who would relish torturing her for God knows how long. 

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15 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

Beyond that, sure, show.  Why not let Judith be a master torturer on top of all her other random and myriad talents?  Apparently just letting her find out what the torture had gleaned and interpreting it and passing it along wouldn't have been enough?   Either someone in the production end of things is in love with this actress or she's got something on someone.  I was under the impression though from last episode that Alfred already had a pretty good idea what Athelred had been up to and decided to play on their brotherly affection to head him off.   Hopefully, his big battlefield save will be worth something because Mommy Dearest of Not You just cheerfully threw him under the catapult.

You would think, given her own experience with being tortured, that she might have an aversion to seeing someone else subjected to it.  But I guess her bloodlust is supposed to make her "interesting."

I really hate the short hair with long sideburns, mustache and soul patch look on Alfred.  People complained that Astrid looked too modern, but to me the new styling for Alfred, which I presume is meant to make him look older, makes him look like a 21st century kid who went a bit overboard while creating a character to go out LARPing.

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Both of Alfred's haircuts are bad,but at least this one makes him look somewhat older.Johnathan Rhys' haircut looks the most modern though,like he just walked out of a barbershop 

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In the season pre-opener (the Bjorn Saga) they mentioned in the actor interviews that Lagertha was going to fall into a dark place mentally including cutting her hair short. 

If you can imagine a story line where she is devastated by the series of events leading up to now (losing Kattegat, fleeing and then demeaning herself in Wessex, having the Bishop dump her right before she gets to watch him get shish-ka-bobbed), you can see her spinning off the deep end.....but PERHAPS only to have something resurrect her back to Shield Maiden status so she can eventually go back and give Ivar the boot.....and a few other things. 

We all talk here about the loss of Ragnar and what he meant to the show.  Lagertha is (IMHO) right up there with him as far as why we fell in love with the series.  I think that killing her off would only loosen another of the strings that ties this show together while allowing her to hit rock bottom and then rise back up to greatness would be very satisfying. 

Lastly....mark me down for one who really enjoyed the Bishop when he was just a Christian battlefield bada@@ ...but really didn't care that the Batman Bishop version was taken out.

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26 minutes ago, motroro said:

In the season pre-opener (the Bjorn Saga) they mentioned in the actor interviews that Lagertha was going to fall into a dark place mentally including cutting her hair short. 

If you can imagine a story line where she is devastated by the series of events leading up to now (losing Kattegat, fleeing and then demeaning herself in Wessex, having the Bishop dump her right before she gets to watch him get shish-ka-bobbed), you can see her spinning off the deep end.....but PERHAPS only to have something resurrect her back to Shield Maiden status so she can eventually go back and give Ivar the boot.....and a few other things. 

We all talk here about the loss of Ragnar and what he meant to the show.  Lagertha is (IMHO) right up there with him as far as why we fell in love with the series.  I think that killing her off would only loosen another of the strings that ties this show together while allowing her to hit rock bottom and then rise back up to greatness would be very satisfying. 

Lastly....mark me down for one who really enjoyed the Bishop when he was just a Christian battlefield bada@@ ...but really didn't care that the Batman Bishop version was taken out.

Same about the bishop.The Lagretha thing should've never happened.

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I feel bad that I'm at the point that I was actually relieved to not see Gustaf Skarsgard's name in the credits.  It sucks because I still think he's a great actor, but I was just glad it meant that we would be taking a break from the world's most boring season of Survivor for this episode.

Granted, this episode still had its problems, but at least we got a good battle scene out of it, which it included the end of Heahmund.  I'll admit that I will kind of miss him because even though I totally get the criticisms towards Jonathan Rhys Meyers, I've always been entertained by his campy style of acting, which at least provides some laughs.  I do hope that this was always intended to happen, and not because there is trouble with him again, since I know he has had alcohol issues in the past.  Still, I did laugh over Headmund's "We have to break up, because I had a nightmare that I'm going to Hell if we keep sleeping together, and I don't want that to happen!  It's not you or me, Lagertha, it's God!" scene.  Because, of course, that would be the biggest offensive you ever done, Heahmund.

Not a fan that it seems like this is going to lead to Lagertha going nuts or something.  Considering all of the loss and hardship she has suffered, this really shouldn't be the breaking point.  But, of course, this show has made her practically head over heels for him, which I never bought.  Really, the break-up should have ended with her just rolling her eyes and being like "Whatever, drama queen!"

Glad Harald managed to make it out alive, but I'm surprised that the other Viking woman was captured, instead of being set-up as a potential love interest for him.  Then again, she was captured by Bjorn, so maybe she'll be a new one for him, since he hasn't had a new love interest for an episode or two yet.  Mainly the character arc for him is to sleep with all of the recurring female characters on this show.

Still enjoying Ubbe/Alfred's friendship.

Judith finds out about Aethelred almost turning on Alfred and blabs it.  Oh, boy!

If Ivar wasn't such a arrogant, ruthless psychopath, I'd almost feel bad over how Freydis is snowing him.  I still love how Hvitserk is pretty much like "I made a huge mistake!" in all of his scenes.  If only he had a time machine... 

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I cheered when Bishop Batman got holey in battle. I'm sure the real Bishop Heamund was interesting. JRM was not. 

Loving all the comments on Floki's island of hell. Getting banished from there is NOT a bad thing.

So, Ivar is still convinced that someone sucking a cut causes pregnancy? Dumbass.

Did Lagertha flee the scene to avoid another pathetic storyline? 

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On 12/26/2018 at 11:37 PM, whoknowswho said:

Ye Gods, what the hell did I just watch?  When Vikings was first on air, a joint Canadian/Irish production on a small budget, it was so fun.  Now they are constantly trying to be Game of Thrones, and playing WAY too fast and loose with history and historical figures, it's just become utter dreck.  I know Hirst has always claimed he wasn't presenting it as historical, but the thing is, now they are playing seriously with written history.  People look up who was Alfred's mother, and what pops up is JUDITH. She wasn't the mother of Alfred The Great, his mother was Osburh.  He was one of 5 children of Aethelwulf.  Stop it, show!

Maybe this show has run its course? It would be too bad to see it stretched out till it is run into the ground.

On 12/28/2018 at 11:14 AM, Babalooie said:

I figure that he was written to show the beginning of the Knights Templar, which of course, was the show following Vikings last year.

Your comment made me realize that it could be her character assassination before departure, much like Ragnar and the Asian woman.  It is designed to soften the blow when  a major character dies.  Maybe that's what Hirst is doing with Floki, too???

 

On 12/28/2018 at 12:04 PM, Ohwell said:

I think you might be on to something regarding Lagertha, and possibly Floki.  I'm ready for Lagertha to die a peaceful death and not at the hands of Harald or, God forbid, Ivar, who would relish torturing her for God knows how long. 

Lagertha and Floki and Bjorn have maintained a continuity with the early years of this show but as characters they feel jaded and worn out. This show isn't having the best time transitioning to the "next generation".

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Judith's behavior in this episode seemed perfectly in character to me. She has always been a psychotic helicopter mom when it comes to Alfred so protecting him by torturing his enemies is right up her alley. And since she loved Athelstan more than Athelwolf, she would absolutely throw Athelred under the medieval bus. Wow, that's a lot of Athels.   

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On 12/26/2018 at 11:37 PM, whoknowswho said:

And why the hell is Lagertha's hair suddenly blue? Ok, maybe ash blonde but more blue than blonde. On both computer and TV.

Just saw this episode tonight before the new one because of Christmas stuff last week made me space out and forget this was even on the following night.  Shows how this once "must see" show has fallen off the cliff for me.  Though as bad as it is, still Lagertha has been wearing a very dull gray colored wig since she lost her battle for Kattegat and not a blue one so maybe your TV and computer both need a little tweaking, heh.

 

On 12/26/2018 at 11:50 PM, LittleIggy said:

From the neck up, Alfred looks like a 19th century French dandy.

Yeah I said that too.  It is so very much not Dark Ages and looks weird as hell as well as ugly.  I actually think it makes the actor look younger rather than older as well.

 

On 12/27/2018 at 8:15 PM, taurusrose said:

I don't understand all the negativity towards JRM.  I like him as an actor and did not mind seeing him in Vikings. ...  The actor playing Alfred is unimpressive, doubly so with his new look.

Well for me Bishop BadActor is a one note "I'm Batman" hoarse whisper piss poor actor and the one playing Alfred is showing real promise though he needs his hair (wig) back asap.

 

On 12/27/2018 at 8:41 PM, raven said:

Ubbe is a non-entity to me.  What does he care about, what does he want?  He seems to have things happen to him, rather than causing them to happen.

Actually I think Ubbe is the ONLY Viking with a plan.  Ragnar's plan.  He wants East Angelia and it's rich farming soil opened up for his people and he will do anything for it.  Become a Christian for it.  Fight and possibly die in battle for it.  He is the true heir to Ragnar to me.

 

On 12/28/2018 at 11:14 AM, Babalooie said:

Your comment made me realize that it could be her character assassination before departure, much like Ragnar and the Asian woman.  It is designed to soften the blow when  a major character dies.  Maybe that's what Hirst is doing with Floki, too???

Yeah I've been saying that all along.  Bishop BadActor was there all along to be Lagertha's Chinese Herbal Pusher Woman.  Neither Ragnar nor Lagertha can diminish on their own.  They are the two biggest heroes from the very beginning.  They have to have an Achilles Heel character drag them down to prepare for their falls and deaths and exits from the show.  I hated this with Ragnar and I hate this with Lagertha too.  And since I doubt Floki escapes Iceland then he has a whole tribe of Achilles Heel characters after him.

And Iove the Floki's Isle of Nobodies comment above by raven and thuganomics85's allusion to Survivor too.  Not a Jeff Probst fan but I wouldn't mind if he came by and started snuffing out most of the torches there on "Survivor Iceland: Isle of Nobodies" asap.

Nice battlefield segment.  They have to find different ways to present these endless battles and this one was a fine way and thankfully there was no stupid synchronized flag waving and twirling corps competition between the armies pre-battle like they had at the Kattegat battles.  OTOH, Judith used to be a fairly nice person so Hirst had to destroy her of course.

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13 minutes ago, green said:

Actually I think Ubbe is the ONLY Viking with a plan.  Ragnar's plan.  He wants East Angelia and it's rich farming soil opened up for his people and he will do anything for it.  Become a Christian for it.  Fight and possibly die in battle for it.  He is the true heir to Ragnar to me.

 

I agree 100%. I have really grown to love Ubbe's character. 

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11 hours ago, Hannah94 said:

I agree 100%. I have really grown to love Ubbe's character. 

Nods. All the rest of the sons are playing out Gotterdaemmerung  and the end of Viking Age.

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Ok, I'll say something positive for a change-- the cinematography just before the fight was beautiful.  Very cinematic.  One more positive thing-- the actor who plays Ubbe really has the Ragnar/Fimmel mannerisms down.  Maybe that's why he and Torvi are the only characters left that I care about.  Ok, one more thing-- Harald is such a compelling character (moreso than any of the Ragnarson boys) that I found myself on Team Norse during the fight.

RIP Heagmund (or however it is spelled), fighting on while looking like a pincushion.  Sean Bean did it better, with much more pathos.

Is it terrible to hope something is wrong with the miracle baby?

On 12/27/2018 at 3:18 AM, Hyrrokkin said:

I want to see whatever happened to Rollo's kids

Just in the show or historically?  They did pretty well.

On 12/28/2018 at 11:14 AM, Babalooie said:

I figure that he was written to show the beginning of the Knights Templar, which of course, was the show following Vikings last year.

Oh, right.  I lasted one episode with that one.  Awful.

On 12/28/2018 at 8:53 PM, thuganomics85 said:

I feel bad that I'm at the point that I was actually relieved to not see Gustaf Skarsgard's name in the credits.  It sucks because I still think he's a great actor, but I was just glad it meant that we would be taking a break from the world's most boring season of Survivor for this episode.

Ha!  I'd love to have Probst show up.  "Wanna know what you're playing for?"  I didn't realize there were no Iceland scenes until reading here.

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1 minute ago, Haleth said:

Is it terrible to hope something is wrong with the miracle baby?

 

Or since they are both evil as hell, that baby would be lucky as hell to be "kidnapped" by someone who wanted to get him/her away from those freak shows and give the baby a good life. That is my only hope for that pour soul. I'm hoping his brother takes that baby and jumps ship back to the good side. 

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Since she's promised him a son, I'm hoping the baby is a girl.  Assuming Ivar only wanted a son, he kills Freydis and gives the baby to another family.

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10 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

Since she's promised him a son, I'm hoping the baby is a girl.  Assuming Ivar only wanted a son, he kills Freydis and gives the baby to another family.

A King Henry plot twist. I like it! I hope you're right. 

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4 hours ago, Haleth said:

 

Just in the show or historically?  They did pretty well.

On the show,I think we deserve closure by one final scene in Frankia.

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Oh, boy, is Ivar's wife in trouble if this baby is a girl!

I think this has morphed into another show about Alfred, a la The Last Kingdom, rather than a show about Vikings. And The Last Kingdom, for all its use of a fictional character as its center, is  far more historically accurate.

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