Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None

[toodywoody]

3 hours ago, Christina said:

As far as I know, Barb has never had custody of either of Ashleigh's kids. Gabe, from her first husband, has always been in her custody, because that ex-husband was stationed to California. He has appeared on the show because Barb has watched him, and at a few times, Ashleigh lived with Barb for short periods. I think someone misread something once causing the confusion and thinking Barb had custody.

I only watched that first video so far, and listened to about  seconds of the last one. Even though she just posted them, these are from years ago. Ashleigh's second husband, Atlas' father, abandoned her while she was pregnant, got back together once or twice, left the military and moved to NJ, called her and begged her and the kids to come up there so that they could work on their marriage, and as soon as she did, he kicked her and Gabe out and wouldn't give up Atlas.

One of the ex-husbands created an account on Backpage with photos of her naked and using her full name. It showed her advertising escort services. Atlas' dad used it to gain temporary custody of him, claiming her job was dangerous, and she was allowed to visit. The police showed up when that first video was shot, but I think it wasn't clear enough to prove she was attacked. Ashleigh and Gabe returned to N.C. and stayed with Barb for a bit. 

Atlas' dad ended up moving to Virginia, and Ashleigh had to refile custody paperwork. She was given visitation again while the case made it through the courts. Either NJ or Virginia ordered her to not escort and CPS got involved. She had to take some parenting classes and successfully argued that the escort site was not her, because escorts don't show their faces or use their full names. She was still ordered not to take part in that industry.

She's been fighting a custody battle almost since his birth. His dad withheld her visitations from her a few times, which probably helped her case. She also tested negative for drugs and he didn't. It's been awhile since I watched all these videos and there also used to be some of the exMIL, who came across like Adam. It's been a mess and like moths to a flame, Jenelle got in the middle of it. Massive arguments on Twitter by Jenelle to an Ashleigh reporter, fights on Facebook between Ashleigh and Jenelle, Ashleigh and her ex, Ashleigh and her exMIL, Jenelle and her bong, etc.

There may be a few facts confused because it's been awhile, but Ashleigh is the one with custody, not Barb.

I've already booked my trip to hell, so here goes:

If Jenelle didn't have the TM money, this would almost mirror her life. She would be off and on drugs, fighting and losing custody of her kids, having the dads take the kids, back and forth back and forth, CPS, drugs, living on the streets, etc.

You would think that as someone who was almost there herself before the TM money really kicked in she would be a little more sympathetic with her sister and try to help her. I am no way saying that her sister is her responsibility, just that as someone who was in and out of jail, drugged up, toxic relationships, that she would be a little more understanding of what her sister was going through. But look who I am talking about, it is Jenelle after all that can't even relate to her mother, doesn't invite her mother, then turns around and bawls about it.

[TeenMomAngerMgmt]

Also add me to the list of people who hate Barb’s friend. Her friend sucks. 

[Scarlett45]

5 hours ago, toodywoody said:

I've already booked my trip to hell, so here goes:

If Jenelle didn't have the TM money, this would almost mirror her life. She would be off and on drugs, fighting and losing custody of her kids, having the dads take the kids, back and forth back and forth, CPS, drugs, living on the streets, etc.

You would think that as someone who was almost there herself before the TM money really kicked in she would be a little more sympathetic with her sister and try to help her. I am no way saying that her sister is her responsibility, just that as someone who was in and out of jail, drugged up, toxic relationships, that she would be a little more understanding of what her sister was going through. But look who I am talking about, it is Jenelle after all that can't even relate to her mother, doesn't invite her mother, then turns around and bawls about it.

Seems to me like Ashleigh’s biggest problems were picking the wrong men and not having enough disposible income to fight these custody cases without Mom’s (Barb’s) help. Ashleigh probably has resentment and jealousy towards Jenelle as the “baby” who got spoiled by Barb and the wind fall of Teen Mom 2. 

 

Maybe one day Ashleigh will have a stable life with her sons, but Jenelle will most likely always be Jenelle. 

[Mkay]

Funny!! I took a screenshot of the ad on my phone as I read Jenelle’s thread. Her favorite place!  Lol 

Edited November 19, 2017 by Mkay

[TheRealT]

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

Seems to me like Ashleigh’s biggest problems were picking the wrong men and not having enough disposible income to fight these custody cases without Mom’s (Barb’s) help. Ashleigh probably has resentment and jealousy towards Jenelle as the “baby” who got spoiled by Barb and the wind fall of Teen Mom 2. 

 

Maybe one day Ashleigh will have a stable life with her sons, but Jenelle will most likely always be Jenelle. 

Yeah. I can't imagine Jenelle going through hardships and strife to regain custody of her kid(s), especially if she didn't have the MTV money. If she were poor and the father took the kid out of state, I think Jenelle would be kind of relieved that she had a good excuse not to deal with her child, though she'd cry about how upset she was about it. Jenelle basically takes the path of least resistance with regard to her kids. She's maintained custody of Kaiser and Ensley (thus far) because she's had MTV money and because no one else has had a strong case/tried very hard to take them away.

[GreatKazu]

@Mkay I think what happens is, when certain things are mentioned on these boards, an ad relating to such topic will pop up. I have noticed ads (on my phone) pop up that relate to something we posted on these boards. 

As a matter of fact, thanks for reminding me @Mkay about this because once while I was reading the Kanal thread and we were discussing who her child's father might be, there were references being made to her being a puta (of course), and being a ho with the neighborhood guys. Well, this ad below appeared. You can even see a bit of the topic that was being discussed...lol  I don't see ads on my PC because I have them blocked. 

 

Edited November 19, 2017 by GreatKazu

[Scarlett45]

Just now, TheRealT said:

Yeah. I can't imagine Jenelle going through hardships and strife to regain custody of her kid(s), especially if she didn't have the MTV money. If she were poor and the father took the kid out of state, I think Jenelle would be kind of relieved that she had a good excuse not to deal with her child, though she'd cry about how upset she was about it. Jenelle basically takes the path of least resistance with regard to her kids. She's maintained custody of Kaiser and Ensley (thus far) because she's had MTV money and because no one else has had a strong case/tried very hard to take them away.

Yeah let’s see how things go if Doris really pushes for custody of Kaiser. 

[TheRealT]

Just now, Scarlett45 said:

Yeah let’s see how things go if Doris really pushes for custody of Kaiser. 

I think that, at this point, with the money that they have and their desire to present as a "happy, normal" family, UBT will make Jenelle fight Doris tooth and nail, especially since most of Doris' allegations are about him. UBT REALLY HATES people (I think especially women) who call him out as an asshole and abuser and he gets fired up to vanquish them (see everything he's done with Barb). With Doris, it wasn't enough for him to just deny abusing Kaiser; he also alleged that Doris/Nathan were the ones actually abusing him. Since I believe that UBT did make bruises on Kaiser, that's really disturbing. For whatever reason(s), UBT is very invested in having custody/control of children, not (seemingly) because he likes kids or enjoys parenting, but for reasons related to his self-esteem/control issues.

I think if Jenelle didn't have money and were with a guy who didn't care about having/didn't want her kids around, she wouldn't make any effort to get custody. I think if MTV had never happened or had never gone beyond her 16 & Pregnant, she would have ditched Jace with Barb years ago and would currently be fine with seeing him occasionally or never, depending on her circumstances. I think the MTV money has tethered Jenelle to Jace (and her other kids), both by enabling her to do the minimum she needed to do to keep them and by giving her an incentive to try to come off as a decent parent/person. Without the MTV money, Jenelle would be dead/in jail or in some marginal situation with whatever fucked up boyfriend she had at the moment. Most likely, her life would not have room in it for however many kids she had produced by now, so they'd be in foster care/with relatives/etc. and Jenelle woudn't care.

[S86226]

On 10/25/2017 at 10:37 PM, heatherchandler said:

 

Ohhhh yeah she’s on opiates again. 100%

My parents would not allow mtv until I was in high school!!  I was only allowed VH1 through 8th grade.  Like it was sooo much better.. I just remember a lot of Eric Carmen’s Hungry Eyes.

Agreed....100%! That's absolutely an opiate high....she looks like she's about to nod off and her eyes are even more souless and dead than normal. 

[druzy]

[GreatKazu]

2 hours ago, TheRealT said:

I think that, at this point, with the money that they have and their desire to present as a "happy, normal" family, UBT will make Jenelle fight Doris tooth and nail, especially since most of Doris' allegations are about him. UBT REALLY HATES people (I think especially women) who call him out as an asshole and abuser and he gets fired up to vanquish them (see everything he's done with Barb). With Doris, it wasn't enough for him to just deny abusing Kaiser; he also alleged that Doris/Nathan were the ones actually abusing him. Since I believe that UBT did make bruises on Kaiser, that's really disturbing. For whatever reason(s), UBT is very invested in having custody/control of children, not (seemingly) because he likes kids or enjoys parenting, but for reasons related to his self-esteem/control issues.

I think if Jenelle didn't have money and were with a guy who didn't care about having/didn't want her kids around, she wouldn't make any effort to get custody. I think if MTV had never happened or had never gone beyond her 16 & Pregnant, she would have ditched Jace with Barb years ago and would currently be fine with seeing him occasionally or never, depending on her circumstances. I think the MTV money has tethered Jenelle to Jace (and her other kids), both by enabling her to do the minimum she needed to do to keep them and by giving her an incentive to try to come off as a decent parent/person. Without the MTV money, Jenelle would be dead/in jail or in some marginal situation with whatever fucked up boyfriend she had at the moment. Most likely, her life would not have room in it for however many kids she had produced by now, so they'd be in foster care/with relatives/etc. and Jenelle woudn't care.

Word. 

Jenelle said in an early episode (and that scene was played out in the Jenelle vs. Barb special a few weeks back) how thankful she was to her mother for taking Jace under her wings and also said, "Had it not been for you, Jace would have ended up in foster care." 

Jenelle of that era lived with Barb. She was all about getting her daily pot fix, shooting up heroin, partying, spending money on hotel rooms for friends as they partied it up. Her focus was solely on self-indulgence. She wouldn't spend a dime on Jace. Now, as you pointed out, she has more money at her disposal and that thing in her ear telling her to get her kid back. 

[Mkay]

[toodywoody]

I love how now that Jenelle has the older girl and Headsley that she is pushing cheerleading on them, living out her fantasy before she started doing drugs and getting pregnant.  And life must haven't have been too bad for middle school/junior high Jenelle if Barb could afford cheer.

[druzy]

23 minutes ago, Mkay said:

[GreatKazu]

I may be projecting here, but seeing where UBT has his hand on Maryssa, it reminds me of when a certain adult would put his hand on me in such a way, acting as if he was just hugging me, but would do a squeeze on the side of my prepubescent breast. Just one of the things he would do to me when I was growing up. It continued into adulthood when guys would try (some succeeded) and put their hands near my breast when we posed for photos as part of a group or during a slow dance. Sometimes being in a crowded place it would happen.  Fuckers. To me, there is no reason for UBT's hand to be RIGHT THERE. He could have put it on her shoulder or on her back. It is sickening to me. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by GreatKazu

[Scarlett45]

8 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

I may be projecting here, but seeing where UBT has his hand on Maryssa, it reminds me of when a certain adult would put his hand on me in such a way, acting as if he was just hugging me, but would do a squeeze on the side of my prepubescent breast. Just one of the things he would do to me when I was growing up. It continued into adulthood when guys would try (some succeeded) and put their hands near my breast when we posed for photos as part of a group or during a slow dance. Sometimes being in a crowded place it would happen.  Fuckers. To me, there is no reason for UBT's hand to be RIGHT THERE. He could have put it on her shoulder or on her back. It is sickening to me. 

I would hate to think of such a thing, but I trust your instincts @GreatKazu (sorry that happened to you when you were younger). I didn’t see anything improper when I looked at this photo. The only logical explanation is that UBT is so tall his hand didn’t end up lower when he went to side hug his daughter (and she isn’t taller). 

 

Many men hug and show affection to their daughters and it’s perfectly normal and natural, but any man who’s actually a father knows there’s a certain way you hug your daughter when she grows up compared to when she’s a little kid (like Kaiser’s age etc). Natural boundaries. UBT respects no ones boundaries. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by Scarlett45

[GreatKazu]

21 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I would hate to think of such a thing, but I trust your instincts @GreatKazu (sorry that happened to you when you were younger). I didn’t see anything improper when I looked at this photo. The only logical explanation is that UBT is so tall his hand didn’t end up lower when he went to side hug his daughter (and she isn’t taller). 

 

Many men hug and show affection to their daughters and it’s perfectly normal and natural, but any man who’s actually a father knows there’s a certain way you hug your daughter when she grows up compared to when she’s a little kid (like Kaiser’s age etc). Natural boundaries. UBT respects no ones boundaries. 

Thanks @Scarlett45. 

I remember my dad always putting his arm on my shoulder when I was older. His hugs meant the world to me. My dad was my safe place and the example of the kind of man I always wanted to have by my side when I chose a partner. The adult who was violating me was not a relative, but a family friend. 

I definitely understand your explanation and could see that being the case due to his height. It appears as if he is pulling her in. Add that with where his hand is located, it just made my mind go there. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by GreatKazu

[Scarlett45]

@GreatKazu I wasn’t insinuating the adult you were talking about in your post was your Dad (sorry if it came off that way); I was referencing UBT knowing how to be a Dad to a young lady like Maryssia rather than a small child. (We know UBT doesnt know how to be a real parent to anyone). 

[Maharincess]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

I may be projecting here, but seeing where UBT has his hand on Maryssa, it reminds me of when a certain adult would put his hand on me in such a way, acting as if he was just hugging me, but would do a squeeze on the side of my prepubescent breast. Just one of the things he would do to me when I was growing up. It continued into adulthood when guys would try (some succeeded) and put their hands near my breast when we posed for photos as part of a group or during a slow dance. Sometimes being in a crowded place it would happen.  Fuckers. To me, there is no reason for UBT's hand to be RIGHT THERE. He could have put it on her shoulder or on her back. It is sickening to me. 

I hate to say it but the first thing I saw when I looked at the picture was his hand and my mind also went there. 

Hugs to you my friend. 

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, Maharincess said:

I hate to say it but the first thing I saw when I looked at the picture was his hand and my mind also went there. 

Hugs to you my friend. 

Hugs back to you.

2 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

@GreatKazu I wasn’t insinuating the adult you were talking about in your post was your Dad (sorry if it came off that way); I was referencing UBT knowing how to be a Dad to a young lady like Maryssia rather than a small child. (We know UBT doesnt know how to be a real parent to anyone). 

Oh no, I know what you were referencing. Sorry for that. Not your fault. I was just acknowledging your comment about true and loving fathers know boundaries and don't make their children feel uncomfortable. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by GreatKazu

[TheRealT]

2 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

I may be projecting here, but seeing where UBT has his hand on Maryssa, it reminds me of when a certain adult would put his hand on me in such a way, acting as if he was just hugging me, but would do a squeeze on the side of my prepubescent breast. Just one of the things he would do to me when I was growing up. It continued into adulthood when guys would try (some succeeded) and put their hands near my breast when we posed for photos as part of a group or during a slow dance. Sometimes being in a crowded place it would happen.  Fuckers. To me, there is no reason for UBT's hand to be RIGHT THERE. He could have put it on her shoulder or on her back. It is sickening to me. 

 

15 minutes ago, Maharincess said:

I hate to say it but the first thing I saw when I looked at the picture was his hand and my mind also went there. 

Hugs to you my friend. 

To highlight other concerning aspects of the photo, when I saw Jenelle and UBT in shades and their expressions, I immediately thought that they were both probably high.

As for UBT's hand on Maryssa, I could see it going either way, but, it being UBT, I feel like he has a general issue with boundaries and feeling like he's being personally insulted to be asked to respect them. I feel like he would be insistent on touching his daughter (or whomever) where and how he wanted and defy anyone to question him or try to limit his free reign. In terms of posing for a photo, it would have made more sense for him to put his arm around Jenelle, as that would tie the group together, which is usually the point of photo subjects putting their arms around one another. It looks like Jenelle's left hand is probably on the small of his back or his butt (with her arm going across Maryssa). The positioning of his hand is also weird because it would seem more natural for him to embrace Maryssa over her arm. Even with people who were lovers, it would be a little weird to pose like that with his hand under her arm, with his finger reaching almost to her nipple. There's something kind of weirdly clutching/possessive of Maryssa about it. <<Shudder>>

Edited November 20, 2017 by TheRealT

[GreatKazu]

At the very least, it comes off very possessive, as if Maryssa is his property. Knowing UBT is a possessive prick with all of these people in this photo, it just comes off to me as if he is trying to let Maryssa's mother know he "won." 

[druzy]

Jace's body language speaks volumes. When he is with Jenelle and UBT he is definitely not chillin'! 

Edited November 20, 2017 by druzy

[Mkay]

Click the arrow on the right for the second picture.  

[TexasGal]

With all the discussion of Endtable's unfortunate head, I stared at the first pic of Jenelle holding her way too long thinking that one of the ponytails or bows on the girls behind them was part of her head.  Very confusing.  I think I need more coffee.

And yes, poor Roll.  Nice that they couldn't be bothered to get him a little jersey.

[GreatKazu]

OMG David's right arm reminds me of Carrie Heffernan's arm in that episode of King of Queens where she and Doug receive that  hideous painting of themselves as an anniversary present. Her right arm is way bigger than her left arm. lol 

Jace is chillin' with Barb. He is in a safe place with her.  Many of us want to take a road trip to meet Barb for drinks and laughs. We are adults and afraid of UBT and The Land. Where else would Jace be chillin? 

@Mkay are you referring to the group photo? @Druzy posted it above. We were commenting on it. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by GreatKazu

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Could they not get Kaiser a matching jersey/shirt, too? Seriously.  They got the baby a matching uniform and David and Jenelle have jerseys. Kaiser is almost big enough to wear the teeny tiny one Jenelle has shoved her already petite frame into.  They could have just ordered two of those.  Way to leave him out. 

They're so gross. 

[CofCinci]

12 minutes ago, Mkay said:

Click the arrow on the right for the second picture.  

Not only did they not order a T-shirt or a jersey for Kaiser, he’s walking around in public without any shoes on. 

2 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Could they not get Kaiser a matching jersey/shirt, too? Seriously.  They got the baby a matching uniform and David and Jenelle have jerseys. Kaiser is almost big enough to wear the teeny tiny one Jenelle has shoved her already petite frame into.  They could have just ordered two of those.  Way to leave him out. 

They're so gross. 

Or even just grab a t-shirt of the team color from Walmart or Target. Less than 10 minutes. 

[GreatKazu]

28 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Not only did they not order a T-shirt or a jersey for Kaiser, he’s walking around in public without any shoes on. 

Or even just grab a t-shirt of the team color from Walmart or Target. Less than 10 minutes. 

Kaiser is shown wearing cowboy boots in the other photos. I think the gym personnel might have told Jenelle he had to remove them because they are not athletic shoes. When my daughter played basketball throughout high school, we were told to make sure to wear athletic shoes so as not to scuff up or damage the various gym floors where they had their games. Just my thought. Agree about Kaiser being left out. Jenelle will probably tweet that she didn't know she was going to have Kaiser that weekend or that he didn't want to wear it. You know people will tweet to her about him not wearing a purple shirt.

Ugh, UBT has his hand under Eggsley's shirt. I get that as parents we will hold our toddlers without thinking about where our hands are, and if this was another parent, I wouldn't even mention it, but this is the bastard who posted a video of Kaiser on Instagram and pointed out the fact he had his hand on his penis and tried to make it seem like poor Kaiser was pleasuring himself along with hashtags that read "deez nuts" "almost a man" only to have the video removed it due to their guidelines being violated. His "f*ggot" and other gay slur comments, his criminal history, I just don't trust this guy at all. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by GreatKazu

[MissMel]

14 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Agree about Kaiser being left out. Jenelle will probably tweet that she didn't know she was going to have Kaiser that weekend or that he didn't want to wear it. You know people will tweet to her about him not wearing a purple shirt.

That's exactly what she said.  

j_evans1219@debroshamullett We didn’t expect Kaiser to be home this weekend, I’ll have to get the boys shirts now!

[GreatKazu]

8 minutes ago, MissMel said:

That's exactly what she said.  

j_evans1219@debroshamullett We didn’t expect Kaiser to be home this weekend, I’ll have to get the boys shirts now!

Oh shit!

It's sad when we can predict what will happen or what will be tweeted. We know these people too well. 

How did she not know she was going to have Kaiser for the weekend? It is a set schedule!

Even if she didn't expect Kaiser, how is it Kaiser and Jace don't have shirts for those events? it isn't as if Maryssa only has ONE cheerleading event or competition. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by GreatKazu

[Chaos Theory]

15 hours ago, Mkay said:

It’s hard to tell with pictures and even with a douche bad like David I won’t accuse him of anything without something more to go on.  Peoples preconceived notions always come into play with these kinds of things.  I knew a family that was accused of abuse when they let their kid run naked though a sprinkler.   Everyone laughed and thought it was cute.  One woman called the cops.  

[SPLAIN]

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The positioning of his hand is also weird because it would seem more natural for him to embrace Maryssa over her arm. Even with people who were lovers, it would be a little weird to pose like that with his hand under her arm, with his finger reaching almost to her nipple. There's something kind of weirdly clutching/possessive of Maryssa about it. <<Shudder>>

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I hate to say it but the first thing I saw when I looked at the picture was his hand and my mind also went there. 

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I may be projecting here, but seeing where UBT has his hand on Maryssa, it reminds me of when a certain adult would put his hand on me in such a way, acting as if he was just hugging me, but would do a squeeze on the side of my prepubescent breast. Just one of the things he would do to me when I was growing up. It continued into adulthood when guys would try (some succeeded) and put their hands near my breast when we posed for photos as part of a group or during a slow dance. Sometimes being in a crowded place it would happen.  Fuckers. To me, there is no reason for UBT's hand to be RIGHT THERE. He could have put it on her shoulder or on her back. It is sickening to me. 

Add me to this group. I thought the same thing when I saw the photo. It is creepy.

I have thought at various times perhaps David might have sexually abused. He has a lot of rage and he sometimes expresses that rage by using slurs that are usually aimed towards the homosexual community. Could he have been molested by an adult male and in his eyes, he equates that person as being homosexual rather than separate it as a person who violated him because he was a child? It could be the person who physically abused him (assuming he was abused) taunted him and teased him by calling him such slurs or making him feel he was not manly enough and that is why David now does it to his step-children. I really hated typing that out. I shudder knowing he is the step-father to Jace and Kaiser. I am certainly not giving David any sort of excuse for anything he may be doing to these children, including Maryssa. I am just trying to see if there might be something more that happened to David that might explain his rage, the constant use of slurs, and if there might have possibly been sex abuse in his past. Many of us here have mentioned having been sex abuse victims. We are not raging assholes like David, but I think it is safe to say we are angry about what we endured and suffered as children. Some of us are lucky to come out of such situations with our mental health intact. We know victims sometimes continue the cycle of abuse.

The positioning of his hand does seem to be as @TheRealT suggested, clutching and possessive which we know is what David is all about. It MAY not be molestation that he is committing, but that possessive nature and the attitude that people are possessions to him is just as vile and scary. We know UBT has a thing about keeping Jenelle to himself, keeping Barb away, and her constant references to not having any friends. He is trying to keep Kaiser and Jace to himself, fighting off any attempts by Doris to acquire custody of her grandson. He screams abuser to me in so many ways. Who is to say that very same thing is not what he is doing to his own daughter? Keeping her as a possession on The Land, away from family and friends. He dictates what his family does. He is like the late cult leader, Charles Manson. Boy, that feels good typing out. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by SPLAIN

[ghoulina]

17 hours ago, Mkay said:

So many thing's wrong with this picture. Kaiser looks sad. Ensley is, once again, trying to escape. Maryssa doesn't seem thrilled either - probably because David's dumbass shirt makes it clear who she belongs to. Also, anyone else - is his hand that's around Maryssa a little too high up? I find I am often overly sensitive of these things since I was molested as a child. But Maryssa is a growing girl....just makes me uncomfortable. 

[GreatKazu]

5 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

So many thing's wrong with this picture. Kaiser looks sad. Ensley is, once again, trying to escape. Maryssa doesn't seem thrilled either - probably because David's dumbass shirt makes it clear who she belongs to. Also, anyone else - is his hand that's around Maryssa a little too high up? I find I am often overly sensitive of these things since I was molested as a child. But Maryssa is a growing girl....just makes me uncomfortable. 

I mentioned it up above myself including a few others. We seem to be on the same page. 

Maryssa is a possession to that monster, nothing more. I pray there is nothing worse going on, but even we believe there is emotional and verbal abuse going on. That in itself is terrible. 

[SPLAIN]

2 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

It’s hard to tell with pictures and even with a douche bad like David I won’t accuse him of anything without something more to go on.  Peoples preconceived notions always come into play with these kinds of things.  I knew a family that was accused of abuse when they let their kid run naked though a sprinkler.   Everyone laughed and thought it was cute.  One woman called the cops.  

It is hard to tell with pictures, and yes, people will voice their opinions based on their own experiences and the crimes that have been committed upon them.

Sticking with the show and the person on the show, most of us felt David was an abuser of some kind. Those feelings are based on people having experience, gut instincts, and what the guy projects on the show, on his social media, and his criminal history. Many people called out Adam Lind as being a drug user long before he ever was arrested on drug charges. Many people called out Ryan as being a drug user long before it was ever revealed on the show. When it comes to DV, sexual abuse, and other crimes, I think we have a pretty good radar on these people based on what they display. Many of us see signs that others may dismiss or not recognize. Many of us see the signs, add in David's history of refusal to stick to any boundaries that are put upon him such as violating a restraining order, choking and threatening his pregnant girlfriend, violating probation, breaking the law when it comes to the rules of the road, breaking and entering homes, and his drug use. Now, people can commit those crimes and NOT be molesters.  I just have an awful feeling about what harm he is putting upon his daughter.  Referring to your comment about the toddler running around naked while getting wet with the sprinklers and having the law called on the parents. That is taking things too far. Now, if those same parents allow their child to run around naked outside frequently, and without parental supervision, and those same parents have a criminal history of bringing harm to their children in some capacity (DV, drug or alcohol use), I could see someone having concerns for that child. David and Jenelle have been accused of leaving Maryssa with the kids locked outside of their home. We watched one scene where the kids were left outside by themselves near a public street. At the very least, there is some kind of child neglect going on and those kids are definitely being exposed to emotional and verbal abuse, which falls under the perimeters of DV.

It is not as if we are accusing Cory or Gary from TMOG of child molestation. With all the examples I have given, and the other posters here who have mentioned what David has done to those kids, I don't have an issue with posting my feelings that he could be a danger to his Maryssa that goes beyond emotional and verbal abuse. It is more than just a photo of his hand on his daughter.

Edited November 20, 2017 by SPLAIN

[TheRealT]

Looking at the picture some more, UBT is clutching a daughter in each hand, which is kind of... weird.

[Scarlett45]

I tend to agree with you @SPLAIN.

I don’t have any personal experience with sexual assault, sexual violence or child molestation- and I don’t agree with ideas that only a father (compared to another male relative or teacher) can be a caregiver because of possible sex abuse (1. Women abuse kids too, and 2. Kids are abused by their own fathers); BUT I trust the instincts of the ladies (and men) who have lived through such horror.

 

It’s not as if UBT was an upstanding citizen up until the point and then went to side hug his daughter. He’s been sexually inappropriate towards a TODDLER- this is the 21st century, for your child’s own safety you don’t make those kind of jokes or post pics like the one he did of Kaiser online. 

 

I didnt see anything inappropriate in the photo, but if others did there’s nothing to make me think you guys are wrong. 

[druzy]

I wonder if they just asked some random person to take that group picture. 

[GreatKazu]

34 minutes ago, druzy said:

I wonder if they just asked some random person to take that group picture. 

Jace?

[Pixiebomb]

Poor Maryssa. She's a pretty girl. I really hope and pray that she is able to defy the odds and NOT end up pregnant at 15 in a desperate attempt to escape her miserable family and start her own with some local loser. 

[Christina]

My baby turns 21 on Thanksgiving, and I would start all over and go get Kaiser if she'd let me have him. 

[akr]

I don't really see sexual overtones to the picture, just the possessiveness and controlling attitude that we already know about.  If there's anything going on at any point, though, I sure hope Maryssa has someone in her life that she could talk to who would listen.  It's clear there's not anybody doing much about the evident problems.  (for context - yes, I'm a woman, and no I don't have personal experience with childhood sexual abuse but have heard it from far more people than I ever would have imagined when I was younger.  A couple of borderline instances as an adolescent and young adult, not involving family). I just see a slightly awkward father with very large hands who's not particularly thinking about the fact that his daughter is starting to get into the age when he really should be more careful where he puts his hands (she's still only 9, or at least that's how old she was in May when he got full custody), and it does appear that Ensley is moving around enough that his grip on her really should be his prime focus.)   It did jump out to me that his hand was huge but not that it was placed inappropriately, until it was brought up here, but I do see it now and I should think that if they were thoughtful people they'd be more careful about what they post online going forward. But I just see a guy holding his two daughters, and the not-so-positive overtones are only because I don't like what I already know about him, not because of the picture itself.

Hate the cheerleader stuff for little kids,but anything where they might have a positive experience and adults in their corner aside from their parents is fine by me.

[poopchute]

She didn’t know Kaiser would be home that weekend? Don’t they have a set visitation schedule?

[ReadMeLattice]

It didn't come across as sexual to me (the positioning looks more like a height disparity thing) but it does seem possessive to me in light of what we know of him. 

[CofCinci]

11 hours ago, TheRealT said:

Looking at the picture some more, UBT is clutching a daughter in each hand, which is kind of... weird.

They’re his possessions.  Y’all know that Jenelle is jealous. 

[ReadMeLattice]

4 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

They’re his possessions.  Y’all know that Jenelle is jealous. 

I just shuddered at the second sentence. But you're right. 

[AmandaUnbidden]

My father physically abused my mother and siblings and sexually abused me. UBT reminds me of him so much. I'm not accusing UBT of anything. It's just scary how much he reminds me of my dad. My dad came across as not all there, acted like he was all about his family, and was always with us kids. He even used baby when talking to us just like UBT does his kids. 

Also, my dad seemed to completely lack any self awareness of how he was coming across to people just like UBT. And my dad had a lot of rage and was a bigot who had no qualms about expressing that. The similarities are eery. I do hope nothing untoward is going on. I just hate getting those gut feelings watching him. 

Edited November 21, 2017 by AmandaUnbidden
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[Mkay]

5 hours ago, poopchute said:

She didn’t know Kaiser would be home that weekend? Don’t they have a set visitation schedule?

She claimed Nathan was sick (I think) and she didn’t want to send him.  She said this in the comments under the pictures on Instagram. 

[teapot]

26 minutes ago, AmandaUnbidden said:

My father physically abused my mother and siblings and sexually abused me. UBT reminds me of him so much. I'm not accusing UBT of anything. It's just scary how much he reminds me of my dad. My dad came across as not all there, acted like he was all about his family, and was always with us kids. He even used baby when talking to us just like UBT does his kids. 

Also, my dad seemed to completely lack any self awareness of how he was coming across to people just like UBT. And my dad had a lot of rage and was a bigot who had no qualms about expressing that. The similarities are eery. I do hope nothing untoward is going on. I just hate getting those gut feelings watching him. 

I'm so sorry that you went through that