Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None

[TheRealT]

On 5/15/2017 at 2:49 PM, ghoulina said:

No, it's definitely not a super nice thing. To me, it sounds like something you say when you're breaking up. "Somewhere in me I do care, but I just can't do this anymore". 

Jenelle is seriously like Diane Downs/Casey Anthony level of fucked up. She does not know how to be a real human. She imitates shit she sees and it comes out all weird. 

YES. Jenelle is incapable of actually caring about another human being in any way except appreciating them for fulfilling her needs. She clings to the boyfriends because they give her attention and validation and help her manage her life (whatever the quality of that assistance). As fucked up as most of them are, I don't think any of the other Teen Moms care so little for their children. Even Amber, who definitely doesn't prioritize parenting her daughter, seems to actually love Leah and I can recall many, many instances of her being loving toward Leah. Farrah is super weird and fucked up, but I believe that she genuinely cares for Sophia and, as emotionally stunted as she is, Farrah has demonstrated that many times over the years. Jenelle is in a class of her own. I really don't think she's capable of loving her children. She knows she's supposed to and she wants people to think she's "normal," "good," etc., but I don't think she feels any genuine emotional connection to them. If that's how things worked out, I think she'd be 100% fine with never seeing her kids again. The temper tantrums over "wanting Jace back" ring very hollow and nothing about her behavior with Jace indicates that she values or misses him.

16 hours ago, leighroda said:

I just thought of this, between David and Jenelle they are working their way to riviling the duggers on the title "19 kids and counting"... if it weren't  detrimental to children involved I would love the crap out of Jenelle trying to "mother" 19 kids... but no child should be put in that position.

It's bizarre that Jenelle and UBT are attempting this "Modern Day Brady Bunch" thing when they are the least parental people ever. They don't ever seem to enjoy spending time with their kids and they constantly complain about parenting, even in their social media while they're attempting to seem like "normal, healthy, happy" parents. In all fairness, I don't follow them on SM at all and only see stuff that gets posted here or wherever because it's egregious in some way, but I don't recall ever seeing stuff that seems genuinely positive toward the kids. There's lots of "Our new land will be so great for the kids doing [all the stuff UBT likes to do, which justifies spending Jenelle's money to buy the necessary equipment]." and "We can't wait until Maryssa comes to live with us full-time" [Which will prove that UBT is a good parent and deserves to have custody of all of his kids.] and, of course, "Kaiser made us all sick again!" [And I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if they used the excuse of catching something from Kaiser to cover for them being hung over/high/lazy/etc. ] Do they ever post stuff along the lines of "Our kids are so awesome!" or celebrating the kids' accomplishments or interests?

Also, just generally, neither of them seems to have a good temperament for dealing with kids. Jenelle is very high-strung and self-absorbed. She freaks out over the slightest stress and she is stressed by having to deal with anything outside of herself (and actually by just dealing with herself a lot of the time). UBT seems very angry and tense and he's verbally abused the kids, even Kaiser, on camera multiple times and he's been aggressive and abusive toward Barb and MTV staff as well. And then there's the DV charge. Choking a pregnant woman is not even close to the realm of behavior that "normal" people engage in or find acceptable. UBT's story doesn't seem to be, "I was very sick and my actions were indefensible. I've worked really hard to get better since that incident and I hope to prove myself eventually..." He seems to think that he's somehow a victim in the whole thing and he doesn't seem to have a problem being nasty and aggressive with women and children now. Why do these people even want kids?

[TaxNerd]

On 5/16/2017 at 3:39 PM, TheRealT said:

Why do these people even want kids?

I'm convinced there is some truth to Simon and others saying MTV pay goes up with more kids and live in partners.  

My heart hurts for Jace.  Locally our last day of school is next Friday, but I don't know when his last day is.  Since his court custody case is after Memorial day, he may have his last day of school not knowing yet if he will ever see his friends or teachers again.  

The way most courts favor reunification, I really don't see Barbara keeping Jace.  Sorry east coasters, but I'm hoping for another hurricane to delay the proceedings another year.

[AdorkableWitch]

2 hours ago, TaxNerd said:

I'm convinced there is some truth to Simon and others saying MTV pay goes up with more kids and live in partners.  

My heart hurts for Jace.  Locally our last day of school is next Friday, but I don't know when his last day is.  Since his court custody case is after Memorial day, he may have his last day of school not knowing yet if he will ever see his friends or teachers again.  

The way most courts favor reunification, I really don't see Barbara keeping Jace.  Sorry east coasters, but I'm hoping for another hurricane to delay the proceedings another year.

They usually favor it when CPS is involved but they usually favor the status quo in most other custody cases. Jenelle has an uphill battle to prove that there is a significant change in circumstances at Barb's house that would seem Jenelle's home would be better. Otherwise it is not in the best interest of Jace to disrupt his life. 

I do expect Jenelle will get some sort of mandated visitation. 

[EmeraldGirl]

The twitter shit talk now is that Endwhatever is always lying on her back so her hair isn't even growing on the back of her head. Of course we have only seen pics of the kid lying down, but that doesn't mean it's true. But Janelle does seem to be outside watching creepy uncle green gardener doing the lawn most of the day. And Chelsea's pics are all of an adorable active baby. And Jenelle is jealous of Chelsea but still can't get her kid up and moving. 

[butterbody]

Run, Maryssa, RUN!

http://www.inquisitr.com/4227891/jenelle-evans-accused-of-dipping-stepdaughter-maryssas-toothbrush-in-the-toilet-in-twitter-feud/

[lovesnark]

15 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

The twitter shit talk now is that Endwhatever is always lying on her back so her hair isn't even growing on the back of her head. Of course we have only seen pics of the kid lying down, but that doesn't mean it's true. But Janelle does seem to be outside watching creepy uncle green gardener doing the lawn most of the day. And Chelsea's pics are all of an adorable active baby. And Jenelle is jealous of Chelsea but still can't get her kid up and moving. 

Hell, Maryssa is so busy taking care of Kaiser, cookin', cleanin', schoolin' and keepin' track of Jenelle's flower crowns,  she doesn't have time to flip Endtable every couple hours. It's been too many years to remember, but shouldn't Endtable be rolling over by herself now?

[ghoulina]

Ensley is what? Three and a half months? Rolling one way at this age is pretty normal, but not all babies are the same. 

Turning every few hours in the crib isn't really done anymore because of SIDs. Parents are instructed to sleep babies on their backs until they can roll on their own. At that point, there's no sense in trying to flip them back. And, by then, they have better neck control and are less likely to suffocate on anything. 

All my kids' hair rubbed away on the backs of their heads because of that. And my kids HATED tummy time for the first few months of their life. I know it's encouraged, but I wasn't going to make them miserable. I'd do it on MY tummy and that helped. But yea, they were in their little chairs a lot, with big bald spots on the backs of their heads. Ha! They're all fine now. 

Jenelle is a POS mom, that's no question. But this Jessica seems like a real piece of work herself, and it's hard to know what's true and what's not between the both of them. I just don't like it when petty crap like this is brought up - not because I care about Jenelle being called out. But if you're calling her out over something that is, IMO, not a big deal, it might make other moms feel bad as well. 

Now, using a child's toothbrush to clean a toilet because you're mad at them? That's just awful. If it's true. I can totally see Jenelle doing that, and being jealous if David gives his daughter more attention than her. But Jessica sounds like a whackjob and who knows if she's making half this shit up. 

[TheRealT]

I can't imagine Jenelle and UBT taking good care of an infant. We know that Jenelle has no experience in that arena and I doubt UBT does either. They are both invested in "proving" that they are already good parents, so it's doubtful that they'd have the humility to read up on how to care for a baby. (Plus, they don't seem like the type to "read up" on anything.) UBT may be better than Jenelle at meeting the baby's (very) basic needs, but he doesn't seem to have the patience or empathy to be really invested in taking extra care of a child and he obviously doesn't know better than to do stuff like take the baby out on a boat in the sun (or to post it on SM). 

The thing is, they probably both think they're taking much better care of Ensley than they did their previous children and they are probably right. Jenelle left Jace with her mom all the time to go party and let Kaiser cry himself to sleep in his crib when she was too "stressed" to deal with him. I don't think UBT was allowed to be around his son when he was born and I doubt he was a great dad to baby Maryssa. We know he wasn't a good enough dad to avoid losing custody of her. Since their older children "turned out fine," why would they put any effort into trying to do things differently? They both probably think they're doing really well with Ensley because they're still together, they have a house, they haven't been arrested recently, and CPS hasn't opened an investigation on Ensley (yet). For them, those really are huge accomplishments compared to where they've been in the past.

Hopefully, UBT's relatives who are allowed to babysit are better equipped to take care of a baby and willing to take Ensley and the others as often as possible. 

[BitterApple]

Given what I've seen of Dave's sister, none of these people have any business being around kids. Dave's mom is probably similar to Barb where she's a "lesser of two evils" kind of deal, but not somebody who would be an ideal candidate to raise a child.

Edited May 19, 2017 by BitterApple

[Christina]

Whew, I haven't been in this forum for a few weeks and it has taken me an hour to read through Janelle's pages and pages of comments and links, read the links and comments on those articles, come back here and the hits keep coming. Jessica really isn't saying anything we haven't heard about Jenelle a thousand time before, or saw on photos Jenelle posted herself or on the show. Smoking pot while pregnant? You don't say! Wait a minute, that's old news...she posted photos of her pregnant with bongs in the photos. I suppose, like Maci, we can't prove she used it, but she did. Jessica just put the fact she is trash out to the world. Even if you don't believe anything Jenelle says about her, that voicemail proves her unhinged and as trashy as Jenelle. Wasn't the abuse of David's pregnant girlfriend alleged to be the result of coke rage? His coke use isn't new information and has been rumored several times, but I no longer try and keep track of the facts with these people. 

My sister and I haven't gotten along for years, since she caused me thousands of dollars of debt and got away with it. Our mother lives with me, in my home, that I paid for and pay the bills on, and she still considers it Mom's house and that I live with her. I really don't care since I don't talk to her, but only share that for context of the rest of this "too much information" post. She and her husband moved to North Carolina a few years ago. Earlier this week, one of the men my BIL served in Afghanistan with overdosed on heroin, and the came up on Wednesday for his service. She showed up at my house, unexpected and uninvited, because they didn't have the money to eat since gas was more than they expected and completely ravished my kitchen. I actually think they took some food with them, because not even Cait and Ty could polish off that much food in twelve hours, unless maybe Ty's mom was there, too. They then made themselves comfortable on the couch and living room floor to spend the night, again without asking, but expecting it was fine for them to do these things because it's Mom's house and she wouldn't mind. Mom tells me the next day that she'll go to the grocery to replace the food, and she was actually much more pissed than me, because I expect this from her now.

So, I come here, read the back and forth between Jenelle and Jessica, and realize my sister isn't that bad. Her Facebook page is full of poor me posts, but has never trashed me, that I know of since I don't have a FB page. I do, however, have a ton of family members who wouldn't be able to keep themselves from stopping by to tell me what she said if she were posting crap, because I have several cousins who are Jenelles and take pleasure in annoying others.

TL:DR: Jenelle unintentionally added context to my life. 

[EmeraldGirl]

When everyone gets into a pissing contest about drugs and kids? They lose all the kids. Meaning every freaking one of them needs to be adopted somewhere else. These butches (whoops, not butch yet - just bitches) couldn't care less unless - they can one up each other. 

I sadly and evily pray for a massive drug bust that sends all the kids to CPS. Wipe out all the extended family in one fell swooop. What a clusterF.

Edited May 19, 2017 by EmeraldGirl

[toodywoody]

I just love how all Jenelles posts are of Endtable and how some woman told her now she knew what an angel was. WTF bitch you have two other kids. Acknowledge them too. She has three angels but the daughter seems to be the only one that matters.

[druzy]

[Christina]

I made that post about Jenelle and immediately lost power. There were storms and the neighbors also lost power, but I know a smackdown for reading about Teen Moms when I see one. Hmmm, wonder what will happen when I hit send this time...

ETA: I hit send and nothing happened. I guess He has his hands full with Jenelle's upcoming custody case.

Edited May 21, 2017 by Christina
Added paragraph

[leighroda]

My heart goes out to the victims of the bomb at the Ariana Grande concert in Manchester... and I long ago accepted that many of my thoughts are a one way ticket to hell in a hand basket... so I'm just going to say one of my thoughts... I wonder how long it'll be before Jenelle makes some kind of statement making this about her, like "we went to a concert it could've been us"... I know I know, I'm a jerk

[MargeGunderson]

It wasn't a Ke$ha concert so Jenelle's safe. 

Wasn't today her court date? I want to know what happened but I'm not going near Jenelle's Twitter feed, that's too much crazy for me.

[hoosiermom]

Janelle took 2 of her kids to an Ariana Grande concert not too long ago.

[Miss Chevious]

49 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

It wasn't a Ke$ha concert so Jenelle's safe. 

Wasn't today her court date? I want to know what happened but I'm not going near Jenelle's Twitter feed, that's too much crazy for me.

No, her court date is tomorrow and Thursday if necessary. She'll probably be wearing her classy court heels! Hope whatever judge she gets makes the right decision.

Edited May 24, 2017 by Miss Chevious
Was one letter off in a word

[jacksgirl]

Please one of you brillant PTV sleuths keep the rest of us poor working schmucks up on court proceedings. Hopefully, what is best for Jace is the focus of the judge. Barb isn't perfect, but Jace seems to be thriving with her. 

[butterbody]

Im trying to read an article but it's giving my antivirus a workout. Apparently Jenelle posted a pic of endtable and the roll, and some fans noticed bruises on Kaiser's arm and alerted Nathan, who then tweeted something along the lines of "mess with my kid and you mess with me #treadlightly".

[Vandy10]

Fingers crossed for the best outcome for Jace.

^^I almost posted that on one of her Tweets about court today, but I wasn't sure if my shade was subtle enough. Because I sure as hell believe the best outcome for Jace is to stay with Babs.

[CofCinci]

Look at the bruises on Kaiser's upper arm. That type of bruise is created when an adult puts their hand around the child's arm and pulls/lifts them with force. 

[Booger666]

Does anyone familiar with custody cases know how the next steps play out?  Will there be a decision at the end of the hearing or is there a delay?  If custody changes will Jace be allowed to finish school year with Barb or would he immediately go to Janelle's?

[ghoulina]

That picture is a bit hard to tell, since he's got sand on him and is laying in the shade, there's shadows. But....it does appear as if there are some grabbing bruises on his arm. 

I hope to God Jace gets to stay with his real mom. I will be very upset if the judge finds in favor of Jenelle.

[CofCinci]

21 minutes ago, Booger666 said:

Does anyone familiar with custody cases know how the next steps play out?  Will there be a decision at the end of the hearing or is there a delay?  If custody changes will Jace be allowed to finish school year with Barb or would he immediately go to Janelle's?

I can't imagine Janelle being awarded custody -- but on the odd chance that it happens -- it would be in Jace's best interest to finish the school year.

[leighroda]

The Ashley had a quote from Nathan, some people tweeted him about the bruises, and he basically said if anyone laid hands on his kids he'd go off.

I thought I saw Jenelle posted yesterday about being nervous about going to court, I would think she'd feel right at home. 

[MargeGunderson]

2 hours ago, leighroda said:

The Ashley had a quote from Nathan, some people tweeted him about the bruises, and he basically said if anyone laid hands on his kids he'd go off.

I thought I saw Jenelle posted yesterday about being nervous about going to court, I would think she'd feel right at home. 

Especially with her classy court heels.

[BitterApple]

Both Dave and Jenelle have horrible tempers and no patience so it wouldn't surprise me if they yanked Kaiser and bruised his arm, but I honestly can't tell from looking at the picture. The shadowing is too wonky for me to get a clear read on it.

[polandspring]

Does anyone have a link to the pic of Kaiser in question?

[ClassyCourtHeels]

4 hours ago, CofCinci said:

I can't imagine Janelle being awarded custody -- but on the odd chance that it happens -- it would be in Jace's best interest to finish the school year.

The only thing going for her is she's the bio mom. They tend to get favoritism. 

 

Just imagine this scenario though. You have a father that has multiple arrests over the years along with drug use. They don't pay child support. They then petition for custody from the mother who has taken care of the child and provided for 8 years. The mother has had no arrests or drug use. The mother also has a stable job where she's worked the child's whole life. You think the judge would give custody to that father?????? Because that is the situation but it is just between a mother and grandmother. If Janelle gets custody it would be a landmark case of proof that courts have favoritism and bias towards birth mothers. It is already known, but this would be a pretty egregious example. 

Edited May 24, 2017 by ClassyCourtHeels

[IgnoranceisBLISS]

1 hour ago, polandspring said:

Does anyone have a link to the pic of Kaiser in question?

@polandspring it is above with the pic of Endtable. Click on the pic and you will get an arrow to go to the next pic. 

[Mkay]

Nothing posted yet about court.  I'm nervous for Jace.  

[Miss Chevious]

@Mkay thank you in advance for keeping us posted. I never dreamed I'd be this interested in the outcome. 

[CofCinci]

9 minutes ago, Mkay said:

Nothing posted yet about court.  I'm nervous for Jace.  

I am too but I figure "no news is good news."  If Jenelle was granted custody, she'd instantly start bragging about it. 

[ghoulina]

I agree. If Jenelle stays silent, that's probably a good sign. Got all my digits crossed!

[Miss Chevious]

I really hope Jace had a court appointed guardian at litem. He really needs a nonjudgmental professional that will encourage him to vocalize his feelings and will truly listen to him. Barb and Jenelle spend a lot of their energy sniping at each other, although lately Barb has seemed to pull back and not get sucked into all of the craziness at Chez Jenelle. 

This whole thing has come to a head only because UBT has been pushing Jenelle to seek custody. She's only doing this to accommodate him. Complete with the token lip service. Her actions speak otherwise. If she was that serious about having Jace full time she would have made more effort. Like living closer to him, taking him to school & picking him up on a regular basis, being a room mother or volunteering at his school, and keeping him on the weekends she said she would, not ditching him for trips or other foolishness. 

Barb isn't perfect by any means, but she's a whole hella lot better than Jenelle. If Jenelle ends up with Jace, the only thing he's going to see is the top of her head while she's playing on her phone, or the TV screen he'll be spending countless hours in front of. Hope they give Maryssa a raise.

Praying for Jace.

[Mkay]

http://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2017/05/24/breaking-teen-mom-2-star-jenelle-evans-did-not-get-full-custody-of-her-son-jace/

[leighroda]

And the angels rejoice

[druzy]

Waiting for Jenelle's tweet!

[teapot]

so glad that Jace doesn't have to leave his home!

[leighroda]

1 minute ago, druzy said:

Waiting for Jenelle's tweet!

lol I was thinking the same thing right after I posted, either she'll stay quiet because it didn't go her way or cue twitter rant in 3...2...1

[Mkay]

Just now, druzy said:

Waiting for Jenelle's tweet!

Allow me. Uh hum (clears throat)

They were being soooo meeeean to me.  Dude, I am soooo frustrated.  Stop!! LEAVE ME ALONE!!!

[ghoulina]

Well, if you read the article, it said that the set-up will be similar to those who co-parent/share custody. So it going to be 50-50? I'm just not seeing how that would work when Jenelle lives so far from Barb. I'm thrilled she didn't get sole custody, but I really don't want to see ANY disruption to Jace's life. 

[Jennifersdc]

Fascinating. I wonder how they ended up in mediation when Jenelle was all hell bent on getting full custody back. Maybe she was told it was unlikely to go her way if she didn't?

[Mkay]

[leighroda]

I don't really know how custody works, my parents divorced, but my dad moved away, so shared custody was never an issue... the article said this agreement will keep Barb from withholding Jace from Jenelle... I don't really know how I feel about that because I honestly think withholding him is in Jaces best interest a lot of the time (it's hard to say because I don't know the circumstances). Now that Jenelle has 50/50 we'll see how often she gives up her time when it's convenient, like if she wants to go on a trip or something... if I were Barb I'd say too bad you're the one who wanted full time custody, if you can't even handle 50/50 what makes you think you could do full time.

[anonymousgirl]

 no wonder she is silent. She should be happy with what she got, its whats best for jace. If she honestly wants  to be in his life she should spend more time with him and put his need first,  regardless of who has custody

[CofCinci]

If they have a shared arrangement, how on Earth will Janelle get Jace to school each day?! She's not going to exercise her authorized parenting time. This is such a joke. Barb most likely maintains school/decision making and I doubt she'd pull him out of his school and away from his Boy Scout troop.  If Jenelle was serious about mothering Jace, she could have purchased close the Barb 

[ClassyCourtHeels]

Jenelle was reportedly in tears at the courthouse. MTV cameras captured the moments before Barb and Jenelle went into court, as well as the moments afterward.

 

Delicious Just delicious. 

[OldButHappy]

1 hour ago, Miss Chevious said:

 

I really hope Jace had a court appointed guardian at litem

 

I was a Guardian Ad Litem in Florida.  We represented children in abuse and neglect cases.  I've never heard of a GAL involved in a custody case where State-investigated abuse/neglect is not an issue.  Just my experience...