S13.E08: The Toilet Exploded!

[BooksAndTea]

On 11/6/2018 at 10:23 PM, UsernameFatigue said:

I thought that Bill said they were renovating 4,000 square feet. Since they are renovating the top two floors, I thought that meant that the house would be larger than 4,000 sq feet in total when you add in the bottom floor that they are living in. My house is 4,000 sq feet over three floors, and theirs certainly looks larger than mine. It could be the style, as theirs looks rather imposing, while mine looks like a two story house from the front and has a porch the length of the house. In any case I would peg their's as closer to 5,500-6,000 in total. 

I totally enjoyed this episode, and liked watching them shop for fixtures, etc. I laughed at Bill and Jen saying that basically Jen just waits for Bill to come around to her POV. Sounds like our household. I thought the kids were well behaved in both stores, and generally throughout the episode. I am glad that the show has gone back to the one hour format. 

As am I. One hour is just enough. I liked watching Jen shop also.  I admire her beachy / coastal style and liked hearing her thinking behind the items she chooses. The one furniture piece that I don't find attractive is their huge button tucked sofa. It's odd shape and all around tucking looks so cumbersome in a light, airy coastal setting although the sandy color and fabric are lovely. Jen has had a lot of sofa/couches in her Houston home over the seasons, I noticed. And you have a porch the length of your home? I am so envious! :)

[sATL]

2 hours ago, freeser said:

I was also thinking that having to go up and down stairs to get the the front door was a really dumb feature for four people that have very short legs and problems with steps.  You mention getting rid of the stairs, but I don't know if that would be possible with the design of the home.  My thought was a home with that design would not be the place for them and certainly could have been a deal breaker.  When Bill was telling the contractor they needed more steps to make it easier for them, you just could not help but think that it was a very poor and unnecessary feature and the wear and tear on their knees and hips will not get better over the years.  

True.  by rid of-I meant redesigning in some kind of way  to not have steps but still elevate the space needed which I  guess is for the basement or crawl space. Thinking way out of the box- put in one of those walking movable ramps like at the airport in b/w terminal

[sATL]

Speaking of steps , homes and walking issues - there was a show on TLC called Little Family- mom, dad , son and twin daughters all little who lived in Annapolis. They lived in a townhouse as renters but the had a whole flight of step to  get to the main floor.  another flight to get to the bedroom floor.

[SMama]

On 11/7/2018 at 5:16 AM, Foghorn Leghorn said:

What a waste of juice in those huge containers, have they heard of buying one and splitting it...

Will and Zoey had different flavor juices. I don’t think it’s fair to make them have the same juice if they don’t want that flavor. Besides, the kids most likely took them and drank while out and about. I always have a small cooler in my van. Many times we have stored unfinished food or drink from SGirl. She always gets back to it. Jen and Bill have no control over the juice sizes at the Crepe restaurant.

[viewer]

Smama, I love your input!  I know very little about foreign adoption, but, I have learned more from you than The Little Couple!!!!   I do watch the show religiously but my common sense says they never should have gone after the kids came.   They think cameras are normal.

[gunderda]

19 hours ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

I wonder how much Jen makes from her career, she isn't practicing medicine anymore right ? A simulation specialist what about 80K ? They own the Pet Shop in Houston - with employee salaries I doubt that is a major breadwinner, the pee pads at this point have not hit the market, so I wonder what TLC is paying them. A reno for the new house and a reno for the old one to put it back to average size people can't be cheap.

She's likely above practicing medicine at this point - so she probably makes well above what she made as practicing doctor.  She's the head of an entire program that she helped build.

15 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

They have 3 cars? What in the world do these 2 little people need with 3 cars? For that matter, what do they need with that gargantuan house? It's overkill. They had to spend big bucks to make the Houston house sellable, and they made no profit on it. Now they are spending huge amounts of money on this Florida reno not to mention they paid over 2 million for the house to begin with. They are bordering being ostentatious and whoever said upthread that they are showing off, I agree. It's becoming a turnoff and I just get a "I'm sooooo cool" vibe from Bill. If they don't have anything to contribute to the show any longer other than showing us how rich they are then maybe it's time for them to say goodbye. I know one thing, if I have to watch them shop again next week, I'm going to be saying goodbye!

Many regular size people have more cars than people and bigger houses than they need. Good for them if that's what they want to spend their money on. 

[bichonblitz]

18 minutes ago, gunderda said:

Many regular size people have more cars than people and bigger houses than they need. Good for them if that's what they want to spend their money on. 

3 $80,000 cars? Yeah, you're right. Good for them. 

3 hours ago, Foghorn Leghorn said:

.also what about disability income.

Can you qualify for disability income when you have well paying jobs and you are gainfully employed? 

Edited November 8, 2018 by bichonblitz

[Mom2twoNonna2-3]

3 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

$80,000 cars? Yeah, you're right. Good for them. 

Jay Leno, anyone. If your kids are fed and clothed and not being neglected, your bills are paid, I believe you should be able to spend your money how you wish. That's the joys of a free, capitalist society.  Bill and Jen take good care of their kids and dogs. Let them enjoy the money they work for. Their kids will have college funds and always be well taken care of. 

 

Those $80,000 cars and renovations create jobs. Whether the jobs are primarily in the US or overseas, it's a job. I wish the jobs were in all in the US, but, I can't control corporations, or even my children, for that matter.

[Calibabydolly]

5 hours ago, readheaded said:

I know!  My mother talks about toddlers walking around in the car!  Can you imagine?

I recall sitting in the way back of a station wagon, with NO SEATS, rather like "cargo" with my friend when we were about 10 or 11 and the driver hit the brakes and I smashed my face against the side of the interior and chipped my tooth! It was made of metal in those days and not plastic or rubber like today.

Regarding the built in seats; some fancy mini vans have those. Not the luxury vehicles they drive. Remember when they were shopping for a car and Bill hated the vans? It was not cool enough for him. He wants a sporty muscle car. I can see him feeling the need for that, just not for the kids as a family car. He has one of those too!

[lookeyloo]

Just now, Mom2twoNonna2one said:

Jay Leno, anyone. If your kids are fed and clothed and not being neglected, your bills are paid, I believe you should be able to spend your money how you wish. That's the joys of a free, capitalist society.  Bill and Jen take good care of their kids and dogs. Let them enjoy the money they work for. Their kids will have college funds and always be well taken care of. 

 

Those $80,000 cars and renovations create jobs. Whether the jobs are primarily in the US or overseas, it's a job. I wish the jobs were in all in the US, but, I can't control corporations, or even my children, for that matter.

I am with you on this.  They are putting money back into their local economy and it's their money they have earned.

[sATL]

47 minutes ago, viewer said:

Smama, I love your input!  I know very little about foreign adoption, but, I have learned more from you than The Little Couple!!!!   I do watch the show religiously but my common sense says they never should have gone after the kids came.   They think cameras are normal.

Gone where? Back to Florida? The speciality light/toilet store?

[sATL]

Let me scroll back a second..did the series start before bill & Jan lived together in Houston - like when they were engaged ? I.m wondering if they separately "lived large " (which would explain the sports cars) as singles so now as married couple they are practicing the life they have grown accustomed to..

[readheaded]

13 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

3 $80,000 cars? Yeah, you're right. Good for them. 

Can you qualify for disability income when you have well paying jobs and you are gainfully employed? 

No, because they're employed full-time.  That's what rubs me the wrong way when people begrudge them whatever they have because they probably COULD qualify for disability and not work, but they do work and at jobs that are hard and required a lot of schooling and training.  I'm not sure about in other countries or for military disabilities, but I don't think you just get a disability check because you have a disability, but you may have a disability that would qualify you and choose not to go that route.

[bichonblitz]

14 minutes ago, sATL said:

Let me scroll back a second..did the series start before bill & Jan lived together in Houston - like when they were engaged ? I.m wondering if they separately "lived large " (which would explain the sports cars) as singles so now as married couple they are practicing the life they have grown accustomed to..

Bill had a very modest house in NY. I don't know what Jen was doing before they married. When they moved to Houston they rented a 2 bedroom apartment. They were not living large by any means.

Edited November 8, 2018 by bichonblitz

[Cherrio]

4 minutes ago, Mom2twoNonna2one said:

Those $80,000 cars

Just so the facts are straight, Bill's car is around 80K, not the other two. Jen's Audi is around 40-50 depending on extra's and I have no idea on the suv.

On a different topic, but pertaining to this episode, that new house is a cluster F.   If it were me and I had the resources it would of been a tear down.  The whole place looks like it was built with spare parts and materials from other projects, especially the outside.   Who designs a massive front door where when you step in you are greeted by a steep set of stairs?    Feng Shui-ers would run screaming from there.    

[gunderda]

I think what we saw is that what Jen really wanted with no remodel needed was way out of their budget and they likely ran out of time to find something and Bill, Jen or both refused to rent while finding or building their perfect house so they likely found something that suited most wants location wise (privacy, water side and view) with being cheap enough to fund a remodel. Plus it already had an elevator which I'm sure was a HUGE plus to them. I imagine having one installed is super duper expensive, leaving not much extra for lowering cabinets and other changes they wanted to make. All those stairs don't much sense to us but none of it really matters to them since they have the elevator. I don't foresee them answering their front door very often. 

[BitterApple]

Bill and Jen really don't live that differently from most people in their income bracket. I have an aunt who's an M.D. along with her husband and they've got the fancy cars, multiple homes, country club memberships, kids in private schools, etc. 

It stands to reason that Bill and Jen are more financially well-off ten years into their marriage and careers than they would've been when they first met. Like I said in my previous post, I'm not going to judge others on what they do with their money, I just think the ginormous house isn't something that would suit their physical limitations. 

[Cherrio]

43 minutes ago, gunderda said:

All those stairs don't much sense to us but none of it really matters to them since they have the elevator. I don't foresee them answering their front door very often. 

True, but my comment was strictly from an aesthetic viewpoint, nothing to do with the Kleins.     Me? I would put some plywood over them and make a water slide out the front door.

[libgirl2]

11 hours ago, BooksAndTea said:

9 or 10 in a booster seat? Wow, I feel so old. Back in the day when I was a kid we were lucky if the car had seat belts, Lol. 

Every year our family and another family (we considered then cousins) would travel to Canada to fish.  We used to take two cars but since my Uncle had a Suburban we decided to just take that. The problem was were to put the suitcases and fishing gear as well as where to put us three kids. Solution, he built a platform in the back to put the cargo under and us kids would "lay down" on top (there was no room to really sit up). So three kids with a long window on either side of us and another long window at our feet. We were lucky we never got hit or stopped suddenly otherwise out the window we would have flown. WE didn't give it a though at that time. The next year, our parents rented a u-haul and we sat in the way back of the car. 

[gunderda]

1 hour ago, Cherrio said:

True, but my comment was strictly from an aesthetic viewpoint, nothing to do with the Kleins.     Me? I would put some plywood over them and make a water slide out the front door.

Perhaps it's a way to deter people from knocking on their door? I know if I were a salesperson I would take one look at those and say "NOPE" and continue on my way.

[Honey]

I bet Jen is making over $200,000 a year at her job.  Why would they buy an upper level house, then put cheap-ass fixtures in it?  It would guarantee that they would never be able to sell it for a price close to what they paid.

I love watching their success.  They weren't born to money, were both born with significant obstacles to overcome, and boy have they worked hard in order to ensure that they could enjoy this time in their lives.  I think it's great, more power to them.  Our society is filled with people who want things, but aren't prepared to put forth any effort at all to obtain them, then bitch and moan because they have nothing.  I say good for them.

When Jen was calling them to get out of the pool, It might have helped if she called them when they weren't underwater.  When they saw her go to eat, they got right out to eat as well.  

[MissT]

33 minutes ago, Honey said:

I bet Jen is making over $200,000 a year at her job.  Why would they buy an upper level house, then put cheap-ass fixtures in it?  It would guarantee that they would never be able to sell it for a price close to what they paid.

I love watching their success.  They weren't born to money, were both born with significant obstacles to overcome, and boy have they worked hard in order to ensure that they could enjoy this time in their lives.  I think it's great, more power to them.  Our society is filled with people who want things, but aren't prepared to put forth any effort at all to obtain them, then bitch and moan because they have nothing.  I say good for them.

When Jen was calling them to get out of the pool, It might have helped if she called them when they weren't underwater.  When they saw her go to eat, they got right out to eat as well.  

I'm sure Jen is making much more than $200,000..... i would guess closer to $400,000 with all the perks, etc.   I'm also sure the hospital paid for her main moving expenses as well.

[viewer]

3 hours ago, sATL said:

Gone where? Back to Florida? The speciality light/toilet store?

No, I meant to say DONE!  I don't think the show is good for the kids.  I couldn't watch when Zoey was adopted.  

[SongbirdHollow]

With all their constraints on time I’m surprised they didn’t get an interior designer to put together something as a package that could be tweaked rather than starting from scratch and picking things separately. It would be more coherent and save money and time. Plus the kids don’t know what they want at that age. 

I love their pool with the fountains and lounging platforms. 

Why didn’t Bill use a stool at the grill? 

It was so out of character for Jen to explain about little people’s poop. Did they mix up the script? LOL

I wonder how much she spends on alterations? Everything is always perfectly fitted and she always looks great.

[Mollysmom]

8 hours ago, Foghorn Leghorn said:

Imagine the kids using scooters and banging into walls and putting themselves at risk by accidentally going down stairs!  Both kids were guilty of ramming their toys into walls in Houston with Jen yammering to no avail “stop it!”   

They also might have considered increasing the depth of the steps instead of adding more steps.  Bill is not a designer!

As far as income well they have the TLC money, their books, speaking engagements in addition to salaries.  The pee pad income has yet to be realized but likely was a consideration when they applied for their mortgage.  Vehicles are likely leased and written off somehow....also what about disability income.

If you make more than abouit $1300 a month, you're not getting disability! LOL!

[Mahamid Frauded Me]

7 hours ago, sATL said:

Speaking of steps , homes and walking issues - there was a show on TLC called Little Family- mom, dad , son and twin daughters all little who lived in Annapolis. They lived in a townhouse as renters but the had a whole flight of step to  get to the main floor.  another flight to get to the bedroom floor.

I remember that show, I guess it isn't coming back on ? What a cute family.

[readheaded]

46 minutes ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

I remember that show, I guess it isn't coming back on ? What a cute family.

I read on the dad's (Dan Hamill) Facebook page that they would come back, but not with made-up drama or something to that effect.  So, good for them for setting and sticking to limits for their family.

[Mom2twoNonna2-3]

The show started when Bill and Jen were first married and moved to Houston. They rented the apt. and seemed to focus on paying down debt before they became homeowners.

[Libby]

We are watching very old footage. All of their house buying and renovations were decided before they took a beating on their Houston house.

They really took a beating on that house. While we are watching them live large in the TV time frame, things didn't go according to plan for them. They lowered the price on the Houston home month after month after month.

They got much, much less than they expected. Plus they probably paid on the Houston mortgage much longer than they thought that they would have to.

All people have problems...

[Honey]

Yup.  My Mother always says "No one's life is exactly how you think it is".

[Calibabydolly]

One big issue with the Houston home is it was way over built for that neighborhood. People who are spending big bucks on a house like that are NOT wanting to live there, I assume? I always feared that would happen if and when they tried to sell. This new home is in a fancier area and should fetch a pretty penny if they ever do move again. That is, if the market is decent then.

[ginger90]

Pictures I’ve seen of the area surrounding the new house suggest to me, it is out of the norm for the surrounding homes.

 

Here’s the one that shows some of the one next door:

[Barb23]

I'm sure they have invested some of their earnings along the way and have put money aside in  accounts for the kids education/college.

When Jen started at the Houston hospital it showed her working  in the NICU.  I remember her being so kind & comforting  talking to the parents about serious problems. 

I don't know if she was still working in tbe NICU when she worked on the simulation program. 

Regarding them having 3 cars.  It seems the Tahoe is the "family" car & has the car seats in it. I'm sure Kate uses it in driving the kids around. It has to be easier than constantly swapping out car seats.

[charmante]

23 hours ago, Honey said:

I bet Jen is making over $200,000 a year at her job. 

I don't know what she makes but I am sure it is way more than $200K.   I am in an executive support position in a large corporation and I make very close to that!  I have a SMALL (most people would probably say tiny LOL) house (1,500 sq ft) and when I bought it I gutted it and redid the entire interior.  I bought my fixtures in lighting, granite and plumbing showrooms, not Home Depot, but I didn't think that was unusual at all.  My car costs as much as Bill's.  Jen has been carrying the same LV Neverfull for years.  I have more Vuitton than she does, and I'm not only not on TV, I'm not "rich."

So, I don't think the Kleins are living large AT ALL.  If they are, my perspective is way off.   Maybe if I saw Zoey with a Chanel Mini I might agree, but I see the Kleins as average upper middle class.

[DkNNy79]

2 hours ago, Barb23 said:

I'm sure they have invested some of their earnings along the way and have put money aside in  accounts for the kids education/college.

When Jen started at the Houston hospital it showed her working  in the NICU.  I remember her being so kind & comforting  talking to the parents about serious problems. 

I don't know if she was still working in tbe NICU when she worked on the simulation program. 

Regarding them having 3 cars.  It seems the Tahoe is the "family" car & has the car seats in it. I'm sure Kate uses it in driving the kids around. It has to be easier than constantly swapping out car seats.

Yeah, I think Jen is making serious $$$ at this new position.  It looks like they seriously recruited her and it must've been a good offer for her to uproot the family all the way to FL.  Also, they convinced Kate and her husband to move to FL too, so they must've offered Kate a nice salary.

Regarding the bolded - exactly my thoughts as well.  Both Jen and Bill work FT, so if they are out and about Kate is not stuck at home with the kids.  She can take them places or pick them up from school if needed.

[Libby]

3 hours ago, charmante said:

So, I don't think the Kleins are living large AT ALL.  If they are, my perspective is way off.   Maybe if I saw Zoey with a Chanel Mini I might agree, but I see the Kleins as average upper middle class.

Trust me, by the average American's standards, the Kleins are living large.

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Well Zoey is driving her own pink Cadillac!!  LOL. And Will has a black one!

[ehall1052]

10 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Pictures I’ve seen of the area surrounding the new house suggest to me, it is out of the norm for the surrounding homes.

This might be somewhat true of the house next door to the Klein’s, but there are many large beautiful homes in their area, since it’s rather exclusive.  This is pretty common around here in the older, higher class areas. Older homes, although very nice, are certainly not as ostentatious as newer builds. Many times those older homes are bulldozed down to make these huge mansions. Another thing, because these newer homes are built up over garages (to keep them from flooding in case of hurricanes), it makes them look grander. Some of the older, one story homes are very lovely.

[readheaded]

3 hours ago, charmante said:

I don't know what she makes but I am sure it is way more than $200K.   I am in an executive support position in a large corporation and I make very close to that!  I have a SMALL (most people would probably say tiny LOL) house (1,500 sq ft) and when I bought it I gutted it and redid the entire interior.  I bought my fixtures in lighting, granite and plumbing showrooms, not Home Depot, but I didn't think that was unusual at all.  My car costs as much as Bill's.  Jen has been carrying the same LV Neverfull for years.  I have more Vuitton than she does, and I'm not only not on TV, I'm not "rich."

So, I don't think the Kleins are living large AT ALL.  If they are, my perspective is way off.   Maybe if I saw Zoey with a Chanel Mini I might agree, but I see the Kleins as average upper middle class.

When we built our house, we didn't go to Home Depot or Lowes either because our builder had preferred vendors who gave us discounts that made the costs comparable to Home Depot or Lowes but with more selection, higher quality, and better customer service. 

[Cherrio]

6 minutes ago, readheaded said:

I bought my fixtures in lighting, granite and plumbing showrooms, not Home Depot,

During the visit to the lighting store I saw the same exact fixture I have in my hallway.  I got it at Lowes.  :)

37 minutes ago, Foghorn Leghorn said:

Well Zoey is driving her own pink Cadillac!!  LOL. And Will has a black one!

Jen might still have her Chubby Chopper too.  

[readheaded]

Just now, Cherrio said:

During the visit to the lighting store I saw the same exact fixture I have in my hallway.  I got it at Lowes.  :)

Yes, some of the stuff is the same.  Many of the lighting fixtures, for example, are sold in a range of sizes, but Lowes or Home Depot will carry one or two sizes, whereas the showrooms will have all of the sizes.  We needed extra large exterior fixtures, but couldn't have bought them at Home Depot or Lowes, unless they might have been special ordered.  But, then, they're actually more than they cost at the showroom.  

[Twopper]

On 11/8/2018 at 9:30 AM, sATL said:

I was also thinking that having to go up and down stairs to get the the front door was a really dumb feature for four people that have very short legs and problems with steps.  You mention getting rid of the stairs, but I don't know if that would be possible with the design of the home.  My thought was a home with that design would not be the place for them and certainly could have been a deal breaker.  When Bill was telling the contractor they needed more steps to make it easier for them, you just could not help but think that it was a very poor and unnecessary feature and the wear and tear on their knees and hips will not get better over the years.  

I thought a big advantage to this house was the elevator was already installed so I  am sure the family will enter the house from the garage and take the elevator.   (Many of the homes along the coast that are off the ground on pilings also have elevators. )  So the family will not have to go up the front steps, but some of their guest might so it makes sense to adjust the steps in the foyer to make it easier for Jen and Bill.

I would guess between her job and speaking fees she is earning at least $500k.  And this is their 13th season I think so I don't know how much they have made by being on tv.  They both seem to work very hard so I have no problem with how they spend it.

I missed this show as we were out for my birthday dinner;  had I realized the season was not over I would have recorded it.

As to car seats, I recall as a youngster riding in the bed of a pickup truck on country roads.  When I was a baby I had a "car bed"--basically a padded board that fit over the back seat.  I guess it had legs that sat on the floor board sorta like a 2 legged card table perhaps.  Surely I must have rolled around a lot;  I have never heard anyone else mention them except my parents.  We had a 1957 car that came without seatbelts; my dad had them put in but they were just in the front and just like the ones on airplanes.   I am surprised I lived to write about it.

[camom]

I had a car bed for my first child.  It was a small port-a-crib type thing that did indeed have two legs that set on the floor of the back seat.  Nothing at all to hold the baby in.

It may be partially because I simply am not a fan of the look of the exterior of the new house, but it does seem odd to me that they would choose a home with so many stairs, elevator or not.  But, like many others have said, it's their money to spend however they choose.  

[Honey]

When I was a kid I remember standing up on the front bench seat while Mom was driving.  It was legal back then.  We also never wore helmets when riding bikes.  Also, a lot of people drove around highly intoxicated, and it was never frowned upon back then.  Hell, I got into an accident as a kid, my Father who was driving was clearly drunk, and the cope didn't say a thing about it.  My how times change.

It's funny how older adults know the term "way back" when referring to a station wagon or a larger vehicle.  Such as, I sat in the "way back" or I put my stuff in the "way back".  Lol

[SongbirdHollow]

Well now we have texting and driving so it all evens out.

[lookeyloo]

7 hours ago, Honey said:

When I was a kid I remember standing up on the front bench seat while Mom was driving.  It was legal back then.  We also never wore helmets when riding bikes.  Also, a lot of people drove around highly intoxicated, and it was never frowned upon back then.  Hell, I got into an accident as a kid, my Father who was driving was clearly drunk, and the cope didn't say a thing about it.  My how times change.

It's funny how older adults know the term "way back" when referring to a station wagon or a larger vehicle.  Such as, I sat in the "way back" or I put my stuff in the "way back".  Lol

Right, either the way back or the back back.

[alegtostandon]

On 11/8/2018 at 4:59 AM, readheaded said:

 

I know!  My mother talks about toddlers walking around in the car!  Can you imagine?

When I was around 6-7 years old in the mid-60's, this woman who drove us to Vacation Bible School had a VW bus. She probably had 10 kids in that bus! We'd stand up in the back of the bus, swaying back & forth.

When I was 8, we moved from Houston back to Chicago. My brother was 5 months old. He either was in my mom's lap or laying on the front seat between her & my dad.

Will is getting too use to the cameras & attention. Whenever anyone laughs, he now demands 'why are you laughing; what are you laughing at?'.

As much as I enjoyed this family when they first started, they were truly a breath of reality TV fresh air, I have to agree with those who say it has run its course. They obviously do not need the money & the kids are getting to the age where it's going to begin damaging them. We have all learned what it's like to be a little person with money...nothing left to teach us.

[viewer]

If they don't need the money why in the world are they still doing the show?   I couldn't stand to show my kids acting like Will and Zoey.   They have to know the kids are out of control.  Plus, the fans that defend them to the hilt are actually pretty creepy.   I can't help but wonder how anyone could get that worked up over criticism of public figures.

[winsomeone]

I really hated the way Zoey screamed right into Jen's face "Don't tell me what I don't like!" That child needed about a two hour time out for that little trick, and yet got nothing at all..not even a dirty look.

[BitterApple]

9 hours ago, viewer said:

If they don't need the money why in the world are they still doing the show?   I couldn't stand to show my kids acting like Will and Zoey.   They have to know the kids are out of control.  Plus, the fans that defend them to the hilt are actually pretty creepy.   I can't help but wonder how anyone could get that worked up over criticism of public figures.

I think they do need the money. Their lifestyle has upgraded significantly since the show first started. There's the mortgage on a two million dollar house, three luxury cars, renovations, kids in private school, extracurricular activities, therapies, a full-time nanny, and probably housekeepers, landscapers, assistants etc. I'm not saying they'd be eating cat food for dinner if the show went away, but I do think the income gives them a nice cushion. Not to mention all the trips and outings that TLC foots the bill for.