S13.E13: Heat Waves and Hot Flashes

[endure]

On 2018-10-15 at 6:08 PM, Martinigirl said:

Vickie should have just peed on the bed

I'm with Shannon - I wouldn't want to room with Gina and Emily either. 

 

WTF why didn't Tamra volunteer to bunk with Emily & Gina?

Edited October 18, 2018 by endure

[KungFuBunny]

3 hours ago, dosodog said:

I did not get in the water or do the rope swing or have an alcohol beverage at the bar.  I sat in my comfy chair, floated down the river, princess waved once and when my float was over, I mingled and drank water.  From a bottle, not the river! I wish the river had been clear blue, but heavy rains can make it muddy at times.

It was still fabulous! 

Cleopatdosodog

[Thumper]

Who DID end up bunking with Gina and Emily?

Rewatching.  I would have opted for the Shannon/Vicki (ick!) thing of going to the bar.  That water was disgusting, and  not interested in just swinging.   I still can't believe Shannon is  hanging with Vicki, though.

Tams is awful. For years.  

[MajorNelson]

3 hours ago, Normades said:

And I'll bet she tells those girls they could have stayed and not had to move again, but their horrible father hasn't settled the divorce.  She really needs to grow up and take responsibility.  She should count herself really fortunate that those are her problems. There are much, much worse situations.

I'm in total agreement.  David has already filed papers that say his daughters have on occasion refused to talk or see him.  (Yes I get it that he stepped out of the marriage and is moving on....and they can see their Mom has been wronged.)  Just how likely is Shannon saying that David is someone they need to have a relationship and to try to make it work?  

The speculation on the house is right on, because NO DOUBT she is the one who signed the lease, but her take responsibility, no way!

Edited October 18, 2018 by MajorNelson

[KungFuBunny]

14 minutes ago, Thumper said:

Who DID end up bunking with Gina and Emily?

Rewatching.  I would have opted for the Shannon/Vicki (ick!) thing of going to the bar.  That water was disgusting, and  not interested in just swinging.   I still can't believe Shannon is  hanging with Vicki, though.

Tams is awful. For years.  

If Shannon was/is truly afraid of the Zika virus - she should not have been on the raft trip period. That murky slow moving water is perfect breeding ground for mosquito eggs. There's also another mosquito transmitted disease she should be more afraid of and that is the Chikunyunga Virus which is dominant in the Caribbean. Is West Niles disease there too?

I think I would have opted out too - and staying in the van to take a nap.

[MajorNelson]

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I heard that things are so tough for her that she could only buy one pair of Chanel flats for the whole winter season.

 

From her filing, here is some of poor Shannon's monthly expenses.  Note she only has $2250 for clothing per month!

$1900 childcare
$3925 groceries and dining
$2250 clothing
$5050 tuition and tutoring
$6500 entertainment
$2500 kids' sports

Edited October 18, 2018 by MajorNelson

[yourmomiseasy]

We're having a West Nile outbreak and a Typhus epidemic in LA right now, Shannon better stay down in the OC.

[Bronzedog]

Why does Shannon need money for childcare?  Her kids still need babysitters?  Why?

[MajorNelson]

Just now, Bronzedog said:

Why does Shannon need money for childcare?  Her kids still need babysitters?  Why?

I can only guess so Shannon can flit about doing her thing.  The filing says it's so she can get job training!

[endure]

On 2018-10-16 at 6:43 AM, LilaFowler said:

The more Gina and Emily whine about Shannon, the more she's going to push them away. She had the same issue with David.

I like Vacation Shannon. Her playfully negative comments about this, that and the other thing were funny to me. This is the way that she's always been, which Tamra should know, so I don't get why Tams never missed an opportunity to bitch about Shannon to the rest of the group. With "friends" like Tamra, who needs enemies?

The malfunctioning AC would have been a deal-breaker for me and I would have had to find other accommodations. I can handle a bit of heat but that humidity? No way.

For all the more Gina claims to not want to discuss the details of her divorce, she brings it up a lot. She doesn't bring anything interesting to this show and neither does Emily. They can both be done after this season and Emily can take her rat-faced little bitch of a husband with her. Heather was on WWHL last night and said that while she has plenty to keep her busy, she does miss being part of things. I will gladly trade Gina and Emily for Heather, and trust me, I was not a Heather fan when she was on.

I actually enjoy Shannon a lot and don’t find her negativity annoying, she has a very dry sense of humour so I usually look forward to her take on things.  I think Tamra is being really nasty and thought that they were acting like a group of schoolgirls talking behind her back when they were on the beach. I agree Tamra is a very two faced fickle friend and she is really looking for a fight with Shannon.

[MajorNelson]

1 hour ago, MajorNelson said:

I can only guess so Shannon can flit about doing her thing.  The filing says it's so she can get job training!

Hey, consider the job training she could get:

• How to be a better Real Housewife
• How to be a better friend
• How to ensure another season
• How to not blow up at a meet n greet
• How to not walk-off from everyone when exasperated or unable to otherwise cope. 

[endure]

On 2018-10-16 at 9:05 AM, islandgal140 said:

Me the minute they told me the hotel didn't have a/c 

They are not gonna have me sweating out my blow out on vacay.

Once again Tamra demonstrates that she is a friend to no one!! I thought she was baptized, saved and an official G-d botherer now? I guess it didn't take because she is back to being a mean, vindictive bitch. She even has that malicious evil glint in her eyes again. I always knew Satan's would never let go of his #1 concubine. The only thing religion and priest can do for her is attempt an exorcism and even then Tamra would be like:

Eddie's afib is back but Tamra went to Bass Lake Jamaica. 

Let me get this straight. Gina and Matt are great friends, they love each other and they still have sex YET they can't even exist under the same roof with their kids to the point they have to rent another property so one of them can live there while the other spends time with the kids in the family home? But yet their divorce is amicable, uncontested and a non-event. Make that make sense. 

Gina is only gonna get or ask for child support and not alimony? Her husband is some kind of Svengali. 

I thought all the ladies looked pretty decent (to varying degrees) in their swimsuits. Emily is built solidly but she is surprisingly toned and fit. Impressive.  

I got what Kelly was going for bringing up the projects and other people having it worse to put Shannon's issues in perspective but something about it rubbed me the wrong way. 

Both Emily and Gina need to get off Shannon's jock. Why would you even want to bother with Shannon if you think she belongs at Shady Pines and is a joyless sad sack? 

Shannon can be self absorbed and is a high strung worry wart but she is capable of being self-deprecating, self aware and funny. More importantly, I do think she is for the most part a reasonable person capable of admitting being wrong and sincerely apologizing making her a unicorn across the franchises.  

Aside from the cringey scene with the bartender, I didn't mind Vicki too much this episode. Color me surprised that she asked the driver about the rasta hat w/dreads? That is the most culturally aware her or this group have ever been. 

YES I agree with your entire post even the part about Kelly speaking out about the disadvantaged.....i guess she’s  become a spokesman after volunteering at a soup kitchen a couple of times?  And this while she’s being wined and dined at a luxury resort?  Also I too resented the way Emily and Gina were teaming up to belittle Shannon behind her back, such childish behavior.

[trimthatfat]

Other than Emily and Gina, the ladies were an embarrassment. I’m sure the employees who served them on this trip have seen there fair share of ignorant tourists, but the OC ladies must take the cake. I hope they were tipped generously.

I went from liking Shannon to feeling like she needs a mandatory mental health break. She is just so sad all of the time. The constant complaining and moaning just has to stop. I understand venting, but she never gives it a break. It sucks she has to leave the house,  but that’s what happens with rental properties. She has more than enough money in the bank to find a new place to live. Maybe she can use Kelly’s realtor.

Emily’s body is amazing! In the OC land where bolted on boobs and lipo are king, she stands out as being natural and gorgeous.

I laughed at Gina’s retirement villa joke. I think Tamra sees herself as a cool, young mom still so I know that probably bothered her. I do not care for age shaming, but I don’t like Vicki or Tamra so I got a good chuckle at that. Sorry not sorry.

[watcherwoman]

I really wonder how often Shannon complains and seems negative.  Is she being filmed and edited to make it seem worse than it is?  I'm sure her divorce has messed with her emotions, so I'll give her a pass.

I have been on cruises and I always choose to stay on the ship instead of going to Jamaica.  I have gay friends that were attacked in Jamaica because they were holding hands.  That happened right in front of several people, including law enforcement.  Nothing was done to help the couple.  After hearing of this terrible incident, I learned that harassing gays was pretty normal in Jamaica.  So as an older, white, straight married female, I choose to not spend my money in Jamaica.  I'm sure it doesn't mean anything to them, but I'm okay with that.

It seems like the RHOC has been on for years and years!  Will we be seeing Vicki and Tamra peeing on beds and flashing boobs when they are over 60?  They have nothing going on in the brains or personality departments, so when will this end?  I'm getting bored with these hags.  Of course women of a certain age can be funny, witty, attractive and interesting, but we're talking Vicki and Tamra here so....

[Kiki777]

3 hours ago, trimthatfat said:

Emily’s body is amazing! In the OC land where bolted on boobs and lipo are king, she stands out as being natural and gorgeous.

I laughed at Gina’s retirement villa joke. I think Tamra sees herself as a cool, young mom still so I know that probably bothered her. I do not care for age shaming, but I don’t like Vicki or Tamra so I got a good chuckle at that. Sorry not sorry.

What I love about Emily's figure is that it's inspirational but attainable.  Size-wise I'm between an Emily and a Shannon, and seeing Emily in those swimsuits made me pick up some hand weights the next morning.  Now if only I could get that tall...

I'm all for age-shaming too when the target is someone as awful as Tamra.  The self-proclaimed hottest housewife (gag) knows that her looks are her only asset due to her low intellect and crap personality.  She is terrified of growing old and won't do so gracefully - she already has such a hard look from all the work she's had done.

I'm annoyed at Shannon.  She is my fave but she's turning into the Bethenny of the group - killer of joy and mean girl to any new cast mates.  But she's great when she lets loose and has fun, and when she's around Archie because how can you not smile in the presence of that boy?

[booboopbedoo]

12 hours ago, endure said:

The malfunctioning AC would have been a deal-breaker for me and I would have had to find other accommodations. I can handle a bit of heat but that humidity? No way.

When we were there the humidity was 98% and you never felt dry. I had to nap everyday and the Ocean was so warm- no cooling off there. We were told that you could also ger Giardia from the river because of the livestock that use it.

2 hours ago, Kiki777 said:

I'm annoyed at Shannon.  She is my fave but she's turning into the Bethenny of the group - killer of joy and mean girl to any new cast mates

I am really starting to dislike her.

She also looks for the camera all the time and plays it up

[Gem 10]

On 10/16/2018 at 11:50 AM, KungFuBunny said:

I don't think Tamra likes that Shannon is getting along with both Vicki and Kelly. I definitely think you are on to something in regards to Gina/Emily - they are Tamra's friends and she is feeding them info to take Shannon down,

Why should Shannon be concerned with Eddie's health issues when Tamra leaves him in the dust every chance she gets?

Ryan gives me the heebie jeebies - why was he randomly sitting at Tamra's listening to her conversation with Shannon.

Why doesn’t he have a job?  Wasn’t he married to that one with 3 girls, then have a girl also?  Doesn’t he pay support? Vikie probably is paying.  We never see him or Vikie with his daughter.  WTF?

[Natalie68]

23 hours ago, eclectcmoi said:

Tamara said recently on WWHL that David "broke up" with Eddie because Tamara is friends with Shannon and David didn't like what was said about him on the show.  

I know this has all been discussed to death, but if I had a girlfriend who chose to set up my ex with friends of hers, regardless of if I had wanted to divorce him or not, I would not consider her that close of a friend anymore.  For me a line would've been drawn in the sand.  It is possible to stay friends with both sides in a divorce, but you have to stay truly neutral and Vicki did not do that. Out of loyalty and concern for Kelly's feelings, Vicki, at the very least should've talked with Kelly first and told her what was happening before it happened. Kelly was hurt and felt betrayed and to me, this is very understandable. As we know though Vicki truly only cares about herself and isn't that great of a friend.  I would not have put it past Vicki to have gone after Michael herself had Steve not been in the picture. Vicki is that much of an asshole. 

In Jamaica, it appeared to me that Vicki just got very overheated at dinner and she made that worse by drinking red wine.  I'm of the same age and I know better. Red wine in the summer or in any hot climate, raises my temperature and I'm a mess in no time. 

Okay Tamara... your bathing suit top came up when you jumped into the water. I can sort of buy that happening.  To swim/walk over though to the edge to where a man is going to help you out and you didn't even try to fix your top to cover yourself?  Just no. Desperate for attention much?  Bet your ailing husband at home loved that ridiculous exhibitionist display. I know I've definitely seen enough of Tamara's tits this season to last a lifetime. 

I'm a Shannon fan and yet I'm growing tired of her whining and complaining. I think if I had to be around her a lot, she would exhaust me. That said though, I didn't see anything wrong with her disconnecting at the dinner table.  She's not going to please Gina with anything she says, so she might as well not try.  I know I wouldn't.  And I definitely wouldn't have stayed in a room with Gina and Emily.  Why walk on eggshells during a trip and be uncomfortable the entire time? I also got why she was upset having to move again.  I was a single mom for quite a long time and rented many places, hating every time when we had to move and my girls were uprooted. One morning I went out to go to work to find a for sale sign on the front lawn of the house we were renting.  Yeah... that was really fun. 

I think the Earth must have stopped it's rotation because I like Kelly this season.  Seriously shocked! 

 

She is also on a gazillion meds, much of which probably have a warning on them to not consume alcohol.  I may need to rewatch the beginning of this wretched season to see what they were.  I was shocked at the amount she was on when she spoke of it.

I get why Kelly was mad as well.  Vicki kept the secret from her and has implied she is more loyal to Michael.  I really don't think Kelly cares who Michael sees.  She just wants a heads up if her coworkers/friends set him up and have him over for holiday meals.  

Edited October 18, 2018 by Natalie68

[UsernameFatigue]

23 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

 

I get why Kelly was mad as well.  Vicki kept the secret from her and has implied she is more loyal to Michael.  I really don't think Kelly cares who Michael sees.  She just wants a heads up if her coworkers/friends set him up and have him over for holiday meals.  

Oh I get Kelly being upset about Vicki setting MIchael up with a friend of hers. But if she and Steve want to have him over for Thanksgiving because he is going to be alone, IMO that is none of her business. If she was really sincere that she wanted MIchael to move on, then she would have been happy that he has friends who are trying to help him do just that, and are making sure that he is not alone on a holiday. Which is why I think Kelly would have been upset even if Michael was dating some random woman that no one knows. So what if Vicki had given Kelly a heads up and her reaction was "Why aren't you having meeeeee over for Thanksgiving?". Kind of an awkward position to be in. 

BTW apparently Vicki and Kelly are no longer friends. Which I assume will last until the next season starts taping, assuming Kelly is still a part of the cast. Which is why I think Kelly says she is hoping that they will be friendly again down the line.  I doubt Vicki will be going anywhere, as much as many of us would prefer that she did. 

Edited October 18, 2018 by UsernameFatigue

[Natalie68]

4 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Oh I get Kelly being upset about Vicki setting MIchael up with a friend of hers. But if she and Steve want to have him over for Thanksgiving because he is going to be alone, IMO that is none of her business. If she was really sincere that she wanted MIchael to move on, then she would have been happy that he has friends who are trying to help him do just that, and are making sure that he is not alone on a holiday. Which is why I think Kelly would have been upset even if Michael was dating some random woman that no one knows. 

BTW apparently Vicki and Kelly are no longer friends. Which I assume will last until the next season starts taping, assuming Kelly is still a part of the cast. Which is why I think Kelly says she is hoping that they will be friendly again down the line.  I doubt Vicki will be going anywhere, as much as many of us would prefer that she did. 

It gets complicated when couples divorce.  I am not a mind reader but I think Kelly may have felt her relationship with Vicki trumps Steve's with Michael since it was Kelly and Vicki's job that brought them together.  So she sees Vicki as betraying her.  That is how I would see it anyway.  But I prefer Kelly and Vicki not getting along so I am down with them not being friends.  All I want for Xmas is Vicki to be shown her walking papers.  But that ain't happening!

[ghoulina]

13 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

It gets complicated when couples divorce.  I am not a mind reader but I think Kelly may have felt her relationship with Vicki trumps Steve's with Michael since it was Kelly and Vicki's job that brought them together.  So she sees Vicki as betraying her.  That is how I would see it anyway.  But I prefer Kelly and Vicki not getting along so I am down with them not being friends.  All I want for Xmas is Vicki to be shown her walking papers.  But that ain't happening!

I agree with your assessment; and I would have loved to see that happen as well. Unfortunately, Tamra and Shannon sidled right back up to that scamming scumbag. She's a cockroach. She'll never die.

[AnnA]

2 hours ago, Gem 10 said:

Why doesn’t he have a job?  Wasn’t he married to that one with 3 girls, then have a girl also?  Doesn’t he pay support? Vikie probably is paying.  We never see him or Vikie with his daughter.  WTF?

Ryan is Tamra's son so Vicki wouldn't be paying.   I'm sure Tamra is subsidizing Ryan.   As far as a job is concerned, he keeps popping up on the OC so it's possible that Bravo is paying him.   Maybe he does have a job and those scenes were filmed on his day off.  I remember the woman he was with and her kids.  I just don't remember if they were married or not because I don't care.   I do remember Ryan having a child and Tamra becoming a grandmother.  

[Gem 10]

2 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

She is also on a gazillion meds, much of which probably have a warning on them to not consume alcohol.  I may need to rewatch the beginning of this wretched season to see what they were.  I was shocked at the amount she was on when she spoke of it.

I get why Kelly was mad as well.  Vicki kept the secret from her and has implied she is more loyal to Michael.  I really don't think Kelly cares who Michael sees.  She just wants a heads up if her coworkers/friends set him up and have him over for holiday meals.  

37 minutes ago, AnnA said:

Ryan is Tamra's son so Vicki wouldn't be paying.   I'm sure Tamra is subsidizing Ryan.   As far as a job is concerned, he keeps popping up on the OC so it's possible that Bravo is paying him.   Maybe he does have a job and those scenes were filmed on his day off.  I remember the woman he was with and her kids.  I just don't remember if they were married or not because I don't care.   I do remember Ryan having a child and Tamra becoming a grandmother.  

 

37 minutes ago, AnnA said:

Ryan is Tamra's son so Vicki wouldn't be paying.   I'm sure Tamra is subsidizing Ryan.   As far as a job is concerned, he keeps popping up on the OC so it's possible that Bravo is paying him.   Maybe he does have a job and those scenes were filmed on his day off.  I remember the woman he was with and her kids.  I just don't remember if they were married or not because I don't care.   I do remember Ryan having a child and Tamra becoming a grandmother.  

 

Duh, I meant Tamra.  To me, Tamra and Vikie are one and the same.  Thanks.

[MatildaMoody]

5 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Oh I get Kelly being upset about Vicki setting MIchael up with a friend of hers. But if she and Steve want to have him over for Thanksgiving because he is going to be alone, IMO that is none of her business. If she was really sincere that she wanted MIchael to move on, then she would have been happy that he has friends who are trying to help him do just that, and are making sure that he is not alone on a holiday. Which is why I think Kelly would have been upset even if Michael was dating some random woman that no one knows. So what if Vicki had given Kelly a heads up and her reaction was "Why aren't you having meeeeee over for Thanksgiving?". Kind of an awkward position to be in. 

I actually see Kelly's side in the Thanksgiving invite as well. Why wouldn't Vicki extend an invite to her newly divorced friend, knowing that she and her daughter may be alone for the holiday? Remember, Kelly's mother and brother seemed perfectly fine when they were living in the house that Michael paid for, but seemed to have jumped ship when that wasn't an option anymore. That it didn't occur to Vicki to at least ask if Kelly had Thanksgiving plans, but went out of the way to invite Michael shows just how shitty a friend Vicki is (as if we didn't have enough proof of that already). Then add the fact that Vicki didn't even mention that she invited Michael for Thanksgiving until after Kelly found out about the setup and double dating makes it even more apparent that Vicki simply didn't value Kelly's friendship at all. 

I think that if Vicki were truly Kelly's friend, she would have at least extended an invite to Kelly first since it would be her first Thanksgiving post-divorce. That should have been the prompt for whether or not to invite Michael. If Kelly had other plans, fine, tell her that they were considering inviting Michael. If Kelly could come, fine, tell her that they had thought to invite Michael but don't want things to be awkward. I seriously doubt Kelly would have had a problem with either scenario. She is done with Michael, but they still co-parent and she still cares about what happens to him. I just seriously doubt that Kelly would have had an issue with Michael being set up or going over for Thanksgiving if she had just been given a head's up in the former, and offered the same invite in the latter. The way Vicki handled this situation seems like she valued Michael's friendship with Steve over her friendship with Kelly. And considering how Vicki has been twisting herself to be exactly what Steve wants, I'll bet Kelly sees it the same way.

[chenoa333]

21 hours ago, MajorNelson said:

I can only guess so Shannon can flit about doing her thing.  The filing says it's so she can get job training!

WTF? Job training? I didn't know that even existed in this country anymore...except possibly for poor people on welfare trying to supplement their monthly SSI check.

Shannon is a spoiled bitch who thinks she's entitled to spend her life sitting on her royal ass dictating to her family how to speak properly, eat properly, colon cleanse properly, dress properly (like the dowdy Queen of England). She's 51/50 and should have gone to psychological counseling many Moons ago (Lol! A little Dr. Moon humor!) How her daughters turned out, so far, to be very insightful and strong I'll never know. They sure as fuck didn't learn it from Shannon or David. They probably learned it BECAUSE of Shannon and David.

[ButterQueen]

On 10/16/2018 at 9:43 AM, LilaFowler said:

The more Gina and Emily whine about Shannon, the more she's going to push them away. She had the same issue with David.

I like Vacation Shannon. Her playfully negative comments about this, that and the other thing were funny to me. This is the way that she's always been, which Tamra should know, so I don't get why Tams never missed an opportunity to bitch about Shannon to the rest of the group. With "friends" like Tamra, who needs enemies?

The malfunctioning AC would have been a deal-breaker for me and I would have had to find other accommodations. I can handle a bit of heat but that humidity? No way.

For all the more Gina claims to not want to discuss the details of her divorce, she brings it up a lot. She doesn't bring anything interesting to this show and neither does Emily. They can both be done after this season and Emily can take her rat-faced little bitch of a husband with her. Heather was on WWHL last night and said that while she has plenty to keep her busy, she does miss being part of things. I will gladly trade Gina and Emily for Heather, and trust me, I was not a Heather fan when she was on.

I agree with everything.  I would be a psychopath with no AC.  Hell to the no.  Menopausal hot flashes are no joke.  What happened to Vicki, happened to me.....for YEARS.  It’s miserable and embarrassing.

Tamara, STFU.  

Emily and Gina.....go away!

I love vacation Shannon.  

[Gem 10]

On 10/15/2018 at 10:02 PM, bosawks said:

Listening to Vicki talk about her sex drive must be punishment for something I’ve done.

She’s full of shit.  Steve better have his hiking boots on to climb that mountain.

[ButterQueen]

On 10/17/2018 at 7:55 PM, bagger said:

UGh I’m not defending Vicki but I would have gone just to float on the nice leisurely river rafting and even for the bar at the end of it. The only activity they participated in was that rope swing and that didn’t seem all that fun especially if you’re not going to end up in the water. 

I’m full of self-loathing right now.

Yeah, that rope swing was so lame.  I don’t blame Vicki and Shannon for finding a bar.

[ButterQueen]

22 hours ago, MajorNelson said:

I'm in total agreement.  David has already filed papers that say his daughters have on occasion refused to talk or see him.  (Yes I get it that he stepped out of the marriage and is moving on....and they can see their Mom has been wronged.)  Just how likely is Shannon saying that David is someone they need to have a relationship and to try to make it work?  

The speculation on the house is right on, because NO DOUBT she is the one who signed the lease, but her take responsibility, no way!

David handed his wedding ring to his daughter to give to her mom.  Shannon doesn’t need to tell the girls what an asswipe their dad is....he’s shown them.  

[Snarky McSnarky]

On 10/16/2018 at 6:14 AM, Juniebaby said:

Tamra just stop! No one wants to see your hard grapefruit bolt ons.  She made no effort at all to pull down her top while the guide was helping her off the rope.  She will never care that she is embarrassing her kids, she’s a selfish woman and I get why her oldest wants nothing to do with her.  

There's no way her boobs would have popped out of that top unassisted.  Just another desperate attempt to get people (and tabloids) talking about her.  Just like Vicki and her sex four times a day bullshit.

[MajorNelson]

3 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

David handed his wedding ring to his daughter to give to her mom.  Shannon doesn’t need to tell the girls what an asswipe their dad is....he’s shown them.  

I didn't know that, and that is a bit callous (or chicken).  Perhaps it was for safety!  On the other hand, I have no idea why he would turn his wedding ring over in the first place.  Perhaps they are both a bit cuckoo.

But I do want to say about Shannon that on air she talks repeatedly of her contentious divorce, but what does that really mean?  We know David accommodated and paid her attorney fees, until the Bravo checks started coming in.  But unless she brings up other problems I see her beefs are kind of only that 1) she is upset David 'replaced' her so fast; and 2) that the divorce settlement isn't going to be quick and easy because they have to go through the finances.  But that is to be expected.  Oh and 3) that there is a divorce at all, given the adulltery and vow renewal etc.

I think she is mainly carping, wants sympathy or special treatment, and wants to feel justified in having her pity party.

For sure it doesn't help they began filming just a few months after the split with David happened.  As others have said, she could use some counseling.

Edited October 19, 2018 by MajorNelson

[UsernameFatigue]

5 hours ago, MatildaMoody said:

I actually see Kelly's side in the Thanksgiving invite as well. Why wouldn't Vicki extend an invite to her newly divorced friend, knowing that she and her daughter may be alone for the holiday? Remember, Kelly's mother and brother seemed perfectly fine when they were living in the house that Michael paid for, but seemed to have jumped ship when that wasn't an option anymore. That it didn't occur to Vicki to at least ask if Kelly had Thanksgiving plans, but went out of the way to invite Michael shows just how shitty a friend Vicki is (as if we didn't have enough proof of that already). Then add the fact that Vicki didn't even mention that she invited Michael for Thanksgiving until after Kelly found out about the setup and double dating makes it even more apparent that Vicki simply didn't value Kelly's friendship at all. 

I think that if Vicki were truly Kelly's friend, she would have at least extended an invite to Kelly first since it would be her first Thanksgiving post-divorce. That should have been the prompt for whether or not to invite Michael. If Kelly had other plans, fine, tell her that they were considering inviting Michael. If Kelly could come, fine, tell her that they had thought to invite Michael but don't want things to be awkward. I seriously doubt Kelly would have had a problem with either scenario. She is done with Michael, but they still co-parent and she still cares about what happens to him. I just seriously doubt that Kelly would have had an issue with Michael being set up or going over for Thanksgiving if she had just been given a head's up in the former, and offered the same invite in the latter. The way Vicki handled this situation seems like she valued Michael's friendship with Steve over her friendship with Kelly. And considering how Vicki has been twisting herself to be exactly what Steve wants, I'll bet Kelly sees it the same way.

I think the problem is that Vicki and Kelly are not friends. They are co-workers. Steve and Michael actually did become friends through the show, and appear to actually hang out together as friends do. Without cameras rolling, because they are not spending time together to earn a pay check. Kelly has said just recently that she and Vicki are not friends at the moment, but she hopes that they will resume being on friendly terms at some point. No doubt before the cameras roll again, as otherwise there is no reason for them to continue a friendship that does not appear to exist outside the confines of the show. Which is true for many howife "friendships". 

[Duke2801]

I can’t quit Shannon just yet but I was getting close after this episode. I just had no sympathy for her about the housing situation. You don’t need to be renting a big fancy house—find a moderate home and BUY something instead of renting. I was so glad that Kelly spoke up and said something. Like, talk about rich white prople problems. 

That said, I don’t necessarily agree that she was being the total Debbie Downer that Tamra wanted to portray her as.  She has her moments of negativity, but overall she seems to have fun on these trips. 

 

On 10/16/2018 at 9:14 AM, Juniebaby said:

Tamra just stop! No one wants to see your hard grapefruit bolt ons.  She made no effort at all to pull down her top while the guide was helping her off the rope.  She will never care that she is embarrassing her kids, she’s a selfish woman and I get why her oldest wants nothing to do with her.  I admire Emily.  She’s a big woman, probably considered overweight in CA, but she is confident in her own skin.  She rocked that bathing suit and wasn’t shy to pull off her coverup and go on TV in a bathing suit.  That is confidence we all should have.

I agree with the overall sentiment of this, but I disagree that Emily is a “big woman.” She’s probably a size 8–max!  In the real world (not on tv and not next to size 2 Tamra and Gina) she’d probably appear quite slim. 

[MatildaMoody]

10 hours ago, MajorNelson said:

I didn't know that, and that is a bit callous (or chicken).  Perhaps it was for safety!  On the other hand, I have no idea why he would turn his wedding ring over in the first place.  Perhaps they are both a bit cuckoo.

But I do want to say about Shannon that on air she talks repeatedly of her contentious divorce, but what does that really mean?  We know David accommodated and paid her attorney fees, until the Bravo checks started coming in.  But unless she brings up other problems I see her beefs are kind of only that 1) she is upset David 'replaced' her so fast; and 2) that the divorce settlement isn't going to be quick and easy because they have to go through the finances.  But that is to be expected.  Oh and 3) that there is a divorce at all, given the adulltery and vow renewal etc.

 

Based on the horribly abusive texts that David has been sending Shannon, I don't think there is any reason to assume that she is exaggerating just how contentious this divorce is. I mean she was so afraid of his rage that she had the judge lower the amount of the support payments he was ordered to pay.

[ghoulina]

12 minutes ago, MatildaMoody said:

Based on the horribly abusive texts that David has been sending Shannon, I don't think there is any reason to assume that she is exaggerating just how contentious this divorce is. I mean she was so afraid of his rage that she had the judge lower the amount of the support payments he was ordered to pay.

Yes, haven't there been reports of him flipping out and yelling at her (and her lawyer) in court? 

I think David is just better at controlling his emotions on camera than Shannon was. But it's quite possible those teenage girls decided all on their own that they're not interested in seeing him right now. Shannon aside; a lot of children take infidelity very very personally. And then David moved right the fuck on with this other woman. They may feel slighted by that, as well as slighted on behalf of their mother. I don't doubt Shannon talks shit about David. But, even so, I think there's probably plenty for the girls do take issue with.

[MatildaMoody]

10 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I think the problem is that Vicki and Kelly are not friends. They are co-workers. 

 

That may be true, but I think Kelly thought they were actually friends until Vickie showed her otherwise. I think that is why she felt so betrayed by all of the shit that Vicki has pulled since she got together with Steve and made up with Shannon and Tamra.

[melkel14]

11 hours ago, MajorNelson said:

David handed his wedding ring to his daughter to give to her mom.  Shannon doesn’t need to tell the girls what an asswipe their dad is....he’s shown them.  

If I recall their daughter, Sophie was also the one who busted him for cheating.  She went to use his laptop and he had a dirty email exchange between him and his mistress up.  

[VedaPierce]

On 10/16/2018 at 7:17 PM, KungFuBunny said:

 

 

I tink da dress es FUGlee-mon. Crochet hot pads

It really seemed like Vicki was having an allergic reaction to something - her face and chest got really red and she looked like a big ball of inflammation. I was chanting - hide the epi pen, hide the epi pen.

And how sweet of Tamra to whip out her camera, take a pic and post it for all the world to ridicule. Bless Tamra, for always being such an amazing friend, the one that you can always count on to show up when you are at your worst, to take a picture, and pass it around. Vickie is a piece of dog shit (thanks Don), and Tamra is the parasite that lives in it. 

[VedaPierce]

On 10/16/2018 at 9:19 PM, MajorNelson said:

(re- Did I hear Gina say that Matt is going to pay only Child Support? Man he’s a smart guy, keep it all friendly get your way, get a good deal out of it and you’re out. It will serve her right to just come out of this with just child support for not listening to people who have some experience in all of this.)

 

me: Maybe her declining the alimony makes sense....if SHE was the who stepped out of the marriage first by adultery, and then with guilt won't take the alimony....hmm?

I 100% think she’s the one that pulled the plug on that marriage. Her behavior is that of a person wanting to have a nice, friendly split, so that she can get on with her new relationship. I think when she does cry, it’s from guilt about doing all this to her kids. 

[VedaPierce]

On 10/17/2018 at 9:57 AM, MatildaMoody said:

Not me! If I were going through a divorce whether amicable or not, the LAST people I would want advice from would be this group of bitter harpies. There is nothing they could say that would help the situation. Plus, they weren't offering advice, they were projecting their own experience onto hers and trying to badger her into fitting what their experience of divorce was. Plus, all of that judgmental pearl-clutching because she is an Atheist (seriously "moral compass")? Nope! There would be absolutely nothing helpful they could share and they definitely wouldn't be able to act as any type of support system because they are too narcissistic to see past their own experiences.

They are all such fucked up assholes that they are the LAST ones I would turn to for advice on anything. Especially since this show is all about “Gotcha” at the reunions. I would never show those shrews a shred of vulnerability unless I was faking the whole thing for sympathy. Maybe that’s why nobody could pay me enough to let cameras follow me around for months in end. 

Maybe if I were to ever decide to fake cancer, or try to get my friend drunk so that my son could rape her, or go apeshit at a party and call everyone the ‘c’ word, maybe then I would seek out their advice....

[VedaPierce]

On 10/16/2018 at 8:59 PM, Reality police said:

Did anyone else notice that Gina's accent seem to disappear on vacation? Her voice was not nearly as grating as it normally is. 

I live and work in Long Island and am surrounded by Long Island people all day long and nobody I know talks that way...I think she’s affected. She ramps that accent up. It’s her schtick. 

[OFDgal]

23 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

She is also on a gazillion meds, much of which probably have a warning on them to not consume alcohol.  I may need to rewatch the beginning of this wretched season to see what they were.  I was shocked at the amount she was on when she spoke of it.

I get why Kelly was mad as well.  Vicki kept the secret from her and has implied she is more loyal to Michael.  I really don't think Kelly cares who Michael sees.  She just wants a heads up if her coworkers/friends set him up and have him over for holiday meals.  

 

I think she was also having a hot flash.  Mine would turn my skin red too.  Although that doesn't explain the melting face.  I couldn't believe what I was seeing.  Scary.

[ButterQueen]

5 hours ago, MatildaMoody said:

Based on the horribly abusive texts that David has been sending Shannon, I don't think there is any reason to assume that she is exaggerating just how contentious this divorce is. I mean she was so afraid of his rage that she had the judge lower the amount of the support payments he was ordered to pay.

Really puts that earlier call to the police and domestic abuse charge in perspective.  

David has been acting like a sociopath.  I cannot believe his new girlfriend/fiancée does not see the red flags.

2 hours ago, OFDgal said:

I think she was also having a hot flash.  Mine would turn my skin red too.  Although that doesn't explain the melting face.  I couldn't believe what I was seeing.  Scary.

My hot flashes would create such excessive sweating, I looked like Vicki.  

[Thumper]

Where are you reading all this info about David, his texts, his other woman?

[Duke2801]

I usually get my RH gossip from Reality Tea.

[yourmomiseasy]

8 hours ago, Thumper said:

Where are you reading all this info about David, his texts, his other woman?

https://www.google.com/search?q=david+beador+text+messages  take your pick

[Higgins]

On ‎10‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 2:37 AM, endure said:

sYES I agree with your entire post even the part about Kelly speaking out about the disadvantaged.....i guess she’s  become a spokesman after volunteering at a soup kitchen a couple of times?  And this while she’s being wined and dined at a luxury resort?  Also I too resented the way Emily and Gina were teaming up to belittle Shannon behind her back, such childish behavior.

I work with the disadvantaged daily. I still have my own issues. In fact, working with the disadvantaged takes an emotional toll on me at times and I still experience distress about my "no real problems" life. We all have struggles.

Edited October 20, 2018 by Higgins

[sasha206]

6 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

https://www.google.com/search?q=david+beador+text+messages  take your pick

Holy crap, what a fucking asshole he is.

[Mu Shu]

On 10/18/2018 at 9:10 PM, chenoa333 said:

WTF? Job training? I didn't know that even existed in this country anymore...except possibly for poor people on welfare trying to supplement their monthly SSI check.

Shannon is a spoiled bitch who thinks she's entitled to spend her life sitting on her royal ass dictating to her family how to speak properly, eat properly, colon cleanse properly, dress properly (like the dowdy Queen of England). She's 51/50 and should have gone to psychological counseling many Moons ago (Lol! A little Dr. Moon humor!) How her daughters turned out, so far, to be very insightful and strong I'll never know. They sure as fuck didn't learn it from Shannon or David. They probably learned it BECAUSE of Shannon and David.

I do like Shannon and think she doesn’t deliberately harm people like Vicki, but she’s a controlling, judgmental fucking mess.  And yes, a princess.  I get the impression that Kelly would roll with the punches and  adapt to a modest lifestyle if she had to, but Shannon would spend the rest of her life pissing and moaning about being reduced to middle upper class.  

I will say it again- Shannon has shitty taste and style for a wealthy woman.  That awful flat one tone hair.  I’m sorry, but she has trailer park hair.

[sasha206]

1 hour ago, Mu Shu said:

I do like Shannon and think she doesn’t deliberately harm people like Vicki, but she’s a controlling, judgmental fucking mess.  And yes, a princess.  I get the impression that Kelly would roll with the punches and  adapt to a modest lifestyle if she had to, but Shannon would spend the rest of her life pissing and moaning about being reduced to middle upper class.  

I will say it again- Shannon has shitty taste and style for a wealthy woman.  That awful flat one tone hair.  I’m sorry, but she has trailer park hair.

Agreed on all.  Love Shannon.  I think she, and her negativity and sarcasm, would be fun to be around.  And yes, that hair, yikes.  At least it isn't yellow.  But it she could use it toned down a little and would love to cut some length off it.  Is there no one in Orange County that will actually wear there hair in a cute, flattering bob?