BkWurm1 December 19, 2018 Share December 19, 2018 Quote I don't see fearing that show going ALL FF because ultimately they're no different than the flashbacks, just a technique to further the main story (SA/Oliver) That's another good reason not to think the goal is to let the next generation take over the show. I do get why the question has come up though since when the future is set, then the present starts to feel a bit like flashbacks Link to comment
bethy December 19, 2018 Share December 19, 2018 As a Lost fan, I have a hard time not comparing the handling of the FF here with the way they handled them on Lost. Nevermind the amazing "We have to go back!" reveal, that show managed to provide effective and tantalizing hints about what had happened and show development for the characters--both in the future and the present--in a way that didn't make you feel like "Well, what's the point of really following what's going on in the present if I know what happened in the future." Of course, Lost was also willing to ditch characters that weren't working in a way that Arrow doesn't seem to be able to, so I mostly cared about all the characters in the FF there, whereas here I really don't. 8 Link to comment
jay741982 December 19, 2018 Share December 19, 2018 3 hours ago, bethy said: As a Lost fan, I have a hard time not comparing the handling of the FF here with the way they handled them on Lost. Nevermind the amazing "We have to go back!" reveal, that show managed to provide effective and tantalizing hints about what had happened and show development for the characters--both in the future and the present--in a way that didn't make you feel like "Well, what's the point of really following what's going on in the present if I know what happened in the future." Of course, Lost was also willing to ditch characters that weren't working in a way that Arrow doesn't seem to be able to, so I mostly cared about all the characters in the FF there, whereas here I really don't. I think if the Flashforwards were connected to the current timeline by Diggle and Roy instead of a widely unpopular character it would be better JMO. Diggles had his issues lately with dumb writers screwing up the character but hes not Dinah level of hatred. Also I feel they really need to reveal who Blackstar/Maya really is ASAP on the show and she possibly really should be Olicity Daughter with the Secercy around the Character and it being a "Pivotal" Role. 4 Link to comment
BkWurm1 December 19, 2018 Share December 19, 2018 5 hours ago, bethy said: As a Lost fan, I have a hard time not comparing the handling of the FF here with the way they handled them on Lost. Nevermind the amazing "We have to go back!" reveal, that show managed to provide effective and tantalizing hints about what had happened and show development for the characters--both in the future and the present--in a way that didn't make you feel like "Well, what's the point of really following what's going on in the present if I know what happened in the future." Of course, Lost was also willing to ditch characters that weren't working in a way that Arrow doesn't seem to be able to, so I mostly cared about all the characters in the FF there, whereas here I really don't. Lost did Flashforwards but not so far into the future. It's the twenty plus years that makes if feel like most of what happens in the present ultimately is/was pointless when it came to saving the city. 1 Link to comment
bethy December 19, 2018 Share December 19, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, BkWurm1 said: Lost did Flashforwards but not so far into the future. It's the twenty plus years that makes if feel like most of what happens in the present ultimately is/was pointless when it came to saving the city. Oh, yeah, for sure, the amount of time that's passed is part of it. If they wanted to go that far into the future, though, they should have figured out how to set up what was happening 20 years later in a way that didn't leave the viewers feeling like what the characters are doing in the present isn't going to make a lick of difference. As is often the case with the Arrow writers I think they are too easily distracted by "Ooo, shiny!" and so they don't do the necessary work to make sure their new toy actually fits with the characters they've got and the story they want to tell long term. Edited December 19, 2018 by bethy 5 Link to comment
bijoux December 19, 2018 Share December 19, 2018 Why is Roy now orange as well? Is this a cautionary environmental storyline, there is no ozone layer over SC 20 years down the line? What the hell is going on? Are the kids going to turn orange as well? Damn Oompa Loompas all around. 1 Link to comment
tv echo December 20, 2018 Share December 20, 2018 (edited) Curtis' boyfriend is doomed - cue up Curtis' emotional arc... ‘Arrow’s Evan Roderick Joins Netflix Drama Series ‘Spinning Out’ Denise Petski December 19, 2018https://deadline.com/2018/12/spinning-out-evan-roderick-cast-netflix-drama-series-kaya-scodelario-1202523201/ Evan Roderick's IMDb page lists him in the credits for 711 (Past Sins - DR as director):https://www.imdb.com/name/nm7754841/ I bet that his character is killed by Diaz in this episode. Then Curtis will blame Oliver for letting Diaz live. And Oliver & Felicity will be angry at Diggle & Lyla for keeping secret their asking Diaz for help (after Diaz's sudden but inevitable betrayal). [UPDATE: He's also in 712 (Emerald Archer).] Interestingly, Liam Hall (as Kane Wolfman) is also listed in the cast credits for 711:https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7508632/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_2https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5795531/?ref_=tt_cl_t13 Also listed in the 711 cast credits are Kathryn Bouchard, who's playing "Erin (Co-Worker)," and Peter Graham-Gaudreau, who's playing "Brett Collins." Edited December 20, 2018 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
bethy December 20, 2018 Share December 20, 2018 Here's hoping that Curtis also dies. Or quits the team in a huff. Whatever gets him off my screen would be fine with me. Though since I'm assuming we wouldn't be so lucky as to have them actually kill off Curtis, I foresee a LOT of "SHUT UP, Curtis!" in my future. 1 Link to comment
way2interested December 20, 2018 Share December 20, 2018 Wasn't ER in 712 too though? When they filmed a big scene at the police station? Link to comment
tv echo December 20, 2018 Share December 20, 2018 (edited) Wait - Evan Roderick is also in the cast credits for 712. I spoke too soon. But I still think he's a goner sometime this season..https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7508650/?ref_=tt_ep_nx Edited December 20, 2018 by tv echo Link to comment
insomniadreams88 December 20, 2018 Share December 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, tv echo said: I still think he's a goner sometime this season.. Oh, definitely. It'll be the motivation Curtis needs to suit up again. *rolls eyes* Because you know, he's totally helpful and necessary in the field. Also, we've probably been getting these Diggle/Curtis scenes so then Diggle can feel bad about Curtis's BF's death because of Diaz ... just like he felt guilty in S4 about Laurel's death. 2 Link to comment
way2interested December 20, 2018 Share December 20, 2018 (edited) Unless it's 712, it'll have to be some episode later like 715 I guess? Since looks like 712 is some big reunion episode, 713 looks like it'll be some Olicity/FF heavy episode (or at least those are the only types of scenes we know they filmed for 713) and then who knows what they did this week for 714 besides possibly some other FF. In thinking about it, I wonder if they just pushed 714 to start after the new year and are just using the time for some reshoots for FF for 710 like they did for 410 shooting the last scene during 414, since there were 2 days last week then they wore the same outfits from 708 and the rest of the time wore completely different outfits. Edited December 20, 2018 by way2interested Link to comment
insomniadreams88 December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said: Which episode is the 150th? 712. (I think.) 1 Link to comment
KenyaJ December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 (edited) Fun? This show? Does not compute. I can't imagine any episode that involves Oliver still working with the SCPD could be fun, but I guess we'll see. Edited December 21, 2018 by KenyaJ Link to comment
Mary0360 December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, KenyaJ said: Fun? This show? Does not compute. I can't imagine any episode that involves Oliver still working with the SCPD could be fun, but I guess we'll see. I don't trust Stephens idea of fun. The episodes he usually finds fun are usually crap- such as the crossover most recently. 2 Link to comment
BkWurm1 December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mary0360 said: I don't trust Stephens idea of fun. The episodes he usually finds fun are usually crap- such as the crossover most recently. I'm still hoping for the documentary style episode. 6 Link to comment
way2interested December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 (edited) Which other episodes has he described as fun again? All I remember was the crossover (which, tbh, he was the best part of it and he was the one who was entertaining, so I'll give him half credit) and then 417, which was hilarious. Edited December 21, 2018 by way2interested 1 Link to comment
tennisgurl December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 Oh joy, we have a big angsty Curtis arc coming up, where he can bitch and moan about the relationship we hardly ever see, with a guy we hardly know. Thats totally what I wanted to see happen! 1 Link to comment
Guest December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 I very rarely ever trust or agree with SA's opinion on an episode so my expectations for the 150th haven't changed. They're still very low. LOL. Link to comment
Mellowyellow December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 2 hours ago, way2interested said: Which other episodes has he described as fun again? All I remember was the crossover (which, tbh, he was the best part of it and he was the one who was entertaining, so I'll give him half credit) and then 417, which was hilarious. Is 417 the bee ep? Did he like that? I loved the bee ep with Felicity jeering at the bee monster and them being a bit angsty! Link to comment
Velocity23 December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 18 hours ago, way2interested said: Unless it's 712, it'll have to be some episode later like 715 I guess? Since looks like 712 is some big reunion episode, 713 looks like it'll be some Olicity/FF heavy episode (or at least those are the only types of scenes we know they filmed for 713) and then who knows what they did this week for 714 besides possibly some other FF. In thinking about it, I wonder if they just pushed 714 to start after the new year and are just using the time for some reshoots for FF for 710 like they did for 410 shooting the last scene during 414, since there were 2 days last week then they wore the same outfits from 708 and the rest of the time wore completely different outfits. Echo has been on vacation this whole week already. So i doubt he has that much to do in 13 or 14. Also the actor who plays the bf of Curtis implied he will back later on. 1 Link to comment
Velocity23 December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 This was during filming of episode 12 Link to comment
Velocity23 December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 Also i would think it all depends where and when they are filming the show. 1 Link to comment
Trisha December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 11 hours ago, KenyaJ said: Fun? This show? Does not compute. I can't imagine any episode that involves Oliver still working with the SCPD could be fun, but I guess we'll see. I wonder if SA is going to start promoting the show as “fun” because he was so bummed out about his character winning that TV Line poll. The replies to his tweets were almost all complaints about how it’s not fun to watch him never catch a break. 2 Link to comment
Mellowyellow December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 Isn't SA always advocating for Oliver's demise at the end of the series? I would have thought he'd love all the misery because it's just sooooo artistic and clever. 2 Link to comment
way2interested December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said: Isn't SA always advocating for Oliver's demise at the end of the series? I would have thought he'd love all the misery because it's just sooooo artistic and clever. I always interpreted that he wanted Oliver to get the heroic death, which isn't necessarily the same as loving misery. With a heroic death it's at least the end and there's not much dragging in that and usually the happiness at knowing that what the hero did was worth it, where SA's implied a bunch of times that the dark stuff gets exhausting (Heck, even as recent as his tweet for the Tvline stuff or for 701, he and EBR joked and said that why can't Olicity have a coffee date because doing scenes like in 701 are emotionally exhausting). Also, he clearly loved shooting the crossover, so when he means fun he obviously just means the light stuff. 5 hours ago, Velocity23 said: Echo has been on vacation this whole week already. So i doubt he has that much to do in 13 or 14. A Yeah, that's still why I'm getting the feeling 713 looks like it's FF heavy with Olicity, but then I'm lost at what the extra days would be for, since they should have finished 713 early this week, right? 1 Link to comment
Chaser December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 Their break starts tomorrow. When was the last SA said he wanted to end the series with Oliver’s death? I feel like that was earlier on in the show. It’s possible his feelings have changed now that they have Oliver married with children and others already established to carry on for him (which is something I imagine his death would have been used for). 3 Link to comment
Trisha December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 I'm leaning more and more towards the theory that the 150th is going to be documentary-style interviews with everyone associated with Oliver/GA, which explains all the returning characters. 3 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 (edited) Hmm, not sure if I like that. It worked on SG1 but, I don't know if Arrow can make it work. Oh wait, one idea ghat could work (for me) the B5 episode set through various points in the distant future where people are looking back at the importance of the Babylon Project. It could be interesting to have the FF watching testimony about GA and use it to tie together the present/future. Although I might be the only one that likes that idea... 😁 Edited December 21, 2018 by Morrigan2575 2 Link to comment
BkWurm1 December 22, 2018 Share December 22, 2018 On 12/20/2018 at 6:41 PM, way2interested said: Which other episodes has he described as fun again? All I remember was the crossover (which, tbh, he was the best part of it and he was the one who was entertaining, so I'll give him half credit) and then 417, which was hilarious. Did he say something like that about Reversal? Link to comment
way2interested December 22, 2018 Share December 22, 2018 20 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said: Hmm, not sure if I like that. It worked on SG1 but, I don't know if Arrow can make it work. Tbh, I'm picturing more like Monk's 100th episode (random association but still) where it pretty much still followed the same plot format of the show but it just had added a plot about a documentary team following them around to give new camera shots of the same types of scenes, cameo interviews along with main characters, and background story references given from past episodes. 8 hours ago, BkWurm1 said: Did he say something like that about Reversal? I think so? I don't remember offhand. I'm just trying to remember an episode he called fun that wasn't in some way. 1 Link to comment
tv echo December 22, 2018 Share December 22, 2018 (edited) This guy is saying what I'm wondering about the 150th episode: Edited December 22, 2018 by tv echo 2 Link to comment
insomniadreams88 December 22, 2018 Share December 22, 2018 Well, we know that we're going to get at least one scene with Oliver, Dinah and Rene from that BTS photo, and after 708, that one scene will be enough for me. I don't need more of that trio. Ever again. 2 Link to comment
Mary0360 December 22, 2018 Share December 22, 2018 Is there actually any evidence that they are doing a documentary episode? Link to comment
way2interested December 22, 2018 Share December 22, 2018 48 minutes ago, Mary0360 said: Is there actually any evidence that they are doing a documentary episode? Just Beth saying it's different from other episodes and SA posting the title card for The Office to describe 712. Link to comment
catrox14 December 22, 2018 Share December 22, 2018 4 hours ago, tv echo said: This guy is saying what I'm wondering about the 150th episode: Animated episode maybe? Link to comment
Morrigan2575 December 22, 2018 Share December 22, 2018 1 minute ago, catrox14 said: Animated episode maybe? No way will they ever come close to Scoobynatural. 1 Link to comment
catrox14 December 23, 2018 Share December 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said: No way will they ever come close to Scoobynatural. Oh I agree. But thinking of something outside of what they have done before and that came to mind. Link to comment
tv echo December 23, 2018 Share December 23, 2018 (edited) New Arrow director or writer? ... C.M. Landrushttps://www.imdb.com/name/nm4799307/https://twitter.com/CMLandrushttps://www.instagram.com/cmlandrus/ Edited December 23, 2018 by tv echo Link to comment
lemotomato December 23, 2018 Share December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, tv echo said: New Arrow director or writer? The “AssistantLife” hashtag makes me think she’s just a new assistant. Link to comment
BkWurm1 December 23, 2018 Share December 23, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, way2interested said: Just Beth saying it's different from other episodes and SA posting the title card for The Office to describe 712. It was all the random returning characters that made me suggest it was documentary style, that way they could fit in a bunch of small interviews without worrying how they connected to a plot. But Thea is one that is returning so I'm not thinking it's all documentary style. Edited December 23, 2018 by BkWurm1 Link to comment
Featherhat December 24, 2018 Share December 24, 2018 If it was LOT an animated episode would seem completely natural on Arrow I think it would just seem like some weird gimick they did, YMMV. A documentary ep is also gimmicky but more in line with the recent revelations about Oliver who is already famous both as Billionaire Playboy and Mayor. Who knew what when, Scandal etc. 1 Link to comment
Trisha December 24, 2018 Share December 24, 2018 19 hours ago, BkWurm1 said: But Thea is one that is returning so I'm not thinking it's all documentary style. The way WH left I was surprised she agreed to come back to the show already. But I could see her doing a few “get that camera outta my face” shots and that being it. It’s weird that they’re spoiling Rory’s return. I guess Beth can’t get mad if it’s coming from MG... 1 Link to comment
Primal Slayer December 24, 2018 Share December 24, 2018 I think BS probably had a part in WH being willing to return so soon. Link to comment
BkWurm1 December 24, 2018 Share December 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Primal Slayer said: I think BS probably had a part in WH being willing to return so soon. How so? Link to comment
Primal Slayer December 25, 2018 Share December 25, 2018 4 hours ago, BkWurm1 said: How so? Her relationship with BS is could be better then hers with MG/WM and since BS is in charge now she could feel differently. Link to comment
Starfish35 December 25, 2018 Share December 25, 2018 5 hours ago, Primal Slayer said: Her relationship with BS is could be better then hers with MG/WM and since BS is in charge now she could feel differently. ......ahahahaha I read BS as Black Siren, not Beth Schwartz, and now I’m feeling kind of dumb. 🤦🏻♀️ 4 Link to comment
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