Super Social Analysis: Gender, Race, Ethnicity, and LGBT in Movies

[methodwriter85]

Pocohantas was 10. One extremely developed 10-year old.

[raezen]

10 minutes ago, methodwriter85 said:

Pocohantas was 10. One extremely developed 10-year old.

Wasn't she supposed to be as tall as John Smith IRL? It coulda been an honest misunderstanding on the film makers part. Right.

[methodwriter85]

Rough Night included two female college sweethearts. They made it pretty clear they weren't closeted lesbians but bisexual women who's torch between them hadn't quite snuffed out, leading

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to them getting back together.

 

Estereos has the plot of two childhood friends, one who leads a gay life and one who leads a straight life, met up again and realize that the fooling around of their youth might mean something more. They aren't quite clear if the guy leading the straight life is actually straight/bi or if he were a closeted gay, but they leave that kind of open.

Angels of Sex, a French film, had a plot about a man and woman who add another man to their relationship. It was better than I expected and the leads all had great chemistry with each other.

[Silver Raven]

White actor Ed Skrein has been cast as Asian character Ben Daimio in the upcoming Hellboy.

[dusang]

On 8/7/2017 at 3:43 PM, methodwriter85 said:

Pocohantas was 10. One extremely developed 10-year old.

Wow, for a minute I thought I was still in the "Disturbing Movie Moments" thread.

[methodwriter85]

On 8/7/2017 at 10:32 AM, galax-arena said:

See, I can't get behind the movie because Timothee Chalamet looks like a 14-year-old, while Armie Hammer looks like a thirtysomething. The age difference in the book (17 and 24) was bad enough!

The "In a Heartbeat" short is super cute. I've seen some grousing about sexualizing children's media. Dude, if you think that a middle school crush is suddenly unnecessarily sexualized just because it involves two people of the same sex, that sounds like a personal problem to me.  The sad thing is that it's not just rightwing assholes saying this.

Just keep telling yourself that Timothee is 21 playing 17, and all is fine.

Armie Hammer looked like a 30-something when he actually was 24.

Now his actual age caught up to his looks.

Anyway, I'm watching Tropic Thunder right now, and their parody trailers included a gay Oscarbait parody:

I am DEAD. Oh my god, this is so fucking accurate. The rosary bead bit reminded me of the bit in Bent where Clive Owen and his lover describe what they would do if they could actually touch each other. Which they can't because, you know, they're in a Nazi concentration camp in a unit especially for gays.

And I feel like there's been at least three or four movies about gay priests slowly coming to turns with their sexuality, especially back during the 90's.

Edited August 25, 2017 by methodwriter85

[Silver Raven]

On 8/7/2017 at 4:47 AM, Luckylyn said:

Brandon Routh played a gay character in Zack and Miri Make a Porno and was a gay character on the short lived tv show Partners.   He was the highlight on that show.

I loved Partners, and Routh was great in that.

[Silver Raven]

A clip of Brandon Routh in Partners

[methodwriter85]

Steve Sandvoss, best known as Aaron from Latter Days, quit Hollywood, changed his name to Max, and became a goat farmer who makes artisan cheese with his brother:

I always wondered what happened to him. He seemed to disappear after the late 2000's. His co-star Wes Ramsey is still chugging along in Hollywood- not really famous but he works pretty steadily.

Elder Aaron is why I've had this secret fantasy of having a torrid love affair with a closeted conservative religious type who looks like he should be a frat boy.

Latter Days was the first gay movie I remember watching that had an actual gay love scene, and where they actually get a happy ending.

Anyway, it never really seemed like he was able to get any roles post-Latter Days where he was anything but a piece of eye candy, so I'm not surprised he called it quits. He looks pretty happy so I'm glad for him. It sounds like he really wanted a fresh start and he got it.

Edited August 26, 2017 by methodwriter85

[Luckylyn]

I loved Latter Days.  It's interesting to find out what happened to him.

[starri]

I loved it too. The two have great chemistry, the supporting performances are uniformly good (even great in the cases of Jacqueline Bisset and Mary Kay Place), and for a low-budget movie, they got the most out of what little money they had. 

[methodwriter85]

14 hours ago, starri said:

I loved it too. The two have great chemistry, the supporting performances are uniformly good (even great in the cases of Jacqueline Bisset and Mary Kay Place), and for a low-budget movie, they got the most out of what little money they had. 

It was especially good for 2003. Back then it seemed like every gay movie that wasn't a comedy like Trick ended tragically. It stood out because there was a happy ending. And again, we got to see them do more than a quick peck on the lips and a hug like in Red Dirt!  And Wes Ramsey did a great job of being a gay guy who could go from queen to jock dude, whatever worked for the moment.

I remember that Jacqueline Bisset said they were going to actually have her character dying of cancer, but she just couldn't get back into that head space again after playing that recently. So they went with her having a close friend dying instead. I also remember that Erik Palladino was apparently so game for playing his character that he cut up his hair to mimic the symptoms of AIDS, even though he only filmed for like 3 days.

Anyway, it's a shame that Steve/Max never got any roles that challenged him or made him want to stay in the business. It really did seem like nobody wanted to cast him for playing more than a walking Abercrombie billboard.

It reminds me a bit of Michael Schoeffling, best known as Jake Ryan from 16 Candles, although he did have a small part in the landmark gay film, Longtime Companion. He seemed like he got bored with it and after hitting 30 decided that to call it a day and become a carpenter.

It feels pathetic that the movie imagined a gay male kiss happening on a soap in 1983...meanwhile, in the real world, a gay male kiss doesn't happen on a U.S. soap until 2007.

[galax-arena]

Ed Skrein pulls out of Hellboy movie after outcry re whitewashing.

^ This is what being a good ally looks like. I appreciate that Ed had the integrity to do this, even though this role would have been a major one for him, considering he isn't exactly a name. And now there really is no excuse for more famous white actors to keep taking POC roles. If the lesser Daario can do it, so can they. 

I'm rooting for him now, I hope he books something else. 

[tennisgurl]

What's really impressive about what Ed Skrein did in stepping down was that this guys isn't an A List star like your Emma Stones and your Scarlette Johanssens. This role could have been a big break for him, and he turned it down when he really didn't have to. Most of the other actors who have gotten involved in these White Washing controversies have been big stars who could pick (or not pick) any role they want, while this is a guy still (basically) starting out, who can't just grab another major role from one of his Hollywood buddies.Granted, the cynical thought could be that he didn't want to be tied into yet another controversy when he's trying to make a name for himself, but his statement seemed quite sincere. 

[methodwriter85]

At the same time, I was so friggin' annoyed by the outcry over "whitewashing" Danny Rand in the Iron Fist, being that he was always a white blond guy. Cause yeah, Danny Rand just sounds like such an Asian name! *rolls eyes* Save the outrage and energy for ACTUAL whitewashing.

Ed Skrein favorited a tweet I made about Ajax/Francis so I have liked him for that. I'm sure he'll book something quick. He just reamed a ton of publicity for himself; although it may get him labeled "difficult".

[angora]

Yeah, credit where credit is due - Ed Skrein did right by that role (now it's on the production to make the most of their second chance at casting and do the right thing.)  I hope the big stars who've taken whitewashed roles learn from his example.

[kiddo82]

And now, if a different white person accepts the role they are put on blast.  Good for Skrein.

[JBC344]

As much as I don't like "whitewashing" I never blame the actor who is hired.  I have a new found respect for Ed, but the real question is will the studio and producers cast an Asian actor?  If they don't my beef is not with the hired actor who is just trying to work but with the people in power.

[topanga]

2 hours ago, JBC344 said:

As much as I don't like "whitewashing" I never blame the actor who is hired.  I have a new found respect for Ed, but the real question is will the studio and producers cast an Asian actor?  If they don't my beef is not with the hired actor who is just trying to work but with the people in power.

Yes, but the actor takes a lot of the heat. Scarlett Johansen and Kate Blanchett were criticized for their recent roles, and Zoe Saldana faced scrutiny for portraying dark-skinned Nina Simone. 

[Raja]

12 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

At the same time, I was so friggin' annoyed by the outcry over "whitewashing" Danny Rand in the Iron Fist, being that he was always a white blond guy. Cause yeah, Danny Rand just sounds like such an Asian name! *rolls eyes* Save the outrage and energy for ACTUAL whitewashing.

Ed Skrein favorited a tweet I made about Ajax/Francis so I have liked him for that. I'm sure he'll book something quick. He just reamed a ton of publicity for himself; although it may get him labeled "difficult".

I agree, but then we come down to while a studio looks to swap genders for roles, like Starbuck of Battlestar Gallatica or Kono of Hawaii 5-0 nobody seems to thought of swap the race of a Danny Rand towards an Asian without going the Kung Fu route when the opportunity presented itself.

[JBC344]

12 hours ago, topanga said:

Yes, but the actor takes a lot of the heat. Scarlett Johansen and Kate Blanchett were criticized for their recent roles, and Zoe Saldana faced scrutiny for portraying dark-skinned Nina Simone. 

It is unfortunate that the actor is front and center at the "face" of the controversy, but I also think a lot of actors don't know how to say "no comment" and try to defend said project or casting and they are the ones who end up offending even more. 

For once I just want an actor to say "I'm an actor for hire and this is the way the producers and studios wanted to go with the role, I have nothing to do with casting. I will approach this role with as much seriousness and respect as I do all my other roles.  Questions on the genesis of the movie or casting should really be addressed with the studio and producers."

Now that is not to say it will all go away of course but it may help people to really examine where to put the blame and whom "we" actually have the issue with.

[VCRTracking]

So was the studio just scared that the lead causasian actor would be made to look like a red devil and that's why they changed a Japanese character to a white guy? SMH.

5 hours ago, Raja said:

I agree, but then we come down to while a studio looks to swap genders for roles, like Starbuck of Battlestar Gallatica or Kono of Hawaii 5-0 nobody seems to thought of swap the race of a Danny Rand towards an Asian without going the Kung Fu route when the opportunity presented itself.

Honestly though, one the most fun things about The Defenders series was everybody making fun of Danny and saying what a dumbass he is, which I wouldn't have enjoyed if he was Asian.

Edited August 29, 2017 by VCRTracking

[Jazzy24]

19 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

At the same time, I was so friggin' annoyed by the outcry over "whitewashing" Danny Rand in the Iron Fist, being that he was always a white blond guy. Cause yeah, Danny Rand just sounds like such an Asian name! *rolls eyes* Save the outrage and energy for ACTUAL whitewashing.

The outcry to make Danny Asian annoyed me and still does.  There are many Asian characters in comics, books, stories, etc.. that can be adapted to the big and small screen brilliantly if given a chance.

 

I'm just patiently waiting for my Marvel Shang-Chi Netflix series. 

[Silver Raven]

In Ed Skrein's mention of his withdrawal from the role of Ben Daimio, he mentioned his family.  He keeps his "partner" very quiet, I don't even know if his partner is male or female, but their son is mixed race.

[Captain Carrot]

23 hours ago, Jazzy24 said:

I'm just patiently waiting for my Marvel Shang-Chi Netflix series. 

Although hopefully they'll get a showrunner that can make a Good kung fu show.

[Ms Blue Jay]

People like John Cho and Lexi Alexander have announced that they want to work with Ed Skrein on Twitter, and some women of colour have announced they are going to start writing parts for him.  The whole thing is just so awesome.  I'm so impressed.  Others on Twitter have said they're going to put money towards his next projects.  

On 8/29/2017 at 0:35 PM, JBC344 said:

Now that is not to say it will all go away of course but it may help people to really examine where to put the blame and whom "we" actually have the issue with.

Oh come on.  I won't work for a company whose ethics I don't agree with.  And I'm certainly not rich.  Many actors have the means to do the same.  Actors like Scarlett Jo and Tilda Swinton are NOT blameless.

[JBC344]

8 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

People like John Cho and Lexi Alexander have announced that they want to work with Ed Skrein on Twitter, and some women of colour have announced they are going to start writing parts for him.  The whole thing is just so awesome.  I'm so impressed.  Others on Twitter have said they're going to put money towards his next projects.  

Oh come on.  I won't work for a company whose ethics I don't agree with.  And I'm certainly not rich.  Many actors have the means to do the same.  Actors like Scarlett Jo and Tilda Swinton are NOT blameless.

That is just my point, they don't see it as an ethical dilemma.  A lot see it as an artistic choice.  Using the above example of Ed, and please don't mistake me I think what he did was great, but he "dropped" out of the movie, not "turned it down". My point being he was fully signed on to play this character it was when there was outcry that he stepped back and examined the situation.  Not to diminish what he did but my point is he probably got educated real quick on how important this issue is to others and even to himself. He then made a thoughtful decision.  Now the question is, if there wasn't any media attention on it, would he had dropped out?

That is my point when it comes to putting the blame on the people in actual power so that it doesn't even get to the point where "white" actors are even being offered these roles.  Taking the TV example of Grace Park and Daniel Dae Kim, they stood their ground left Hawaii 50 and made an impact on standing up for fair treatment.  All amazing things. 

Now CBS, will hire two other minorities, pay them probably a tenth of what they paid Grace and Daniel because they aren't as famous and the show will still keep the ratings.  So then it becomes a question of great for Daniel and Grace but what difference did it ultimately make?  Unless Hawaii tanks with the new cast CBS is in no worse position.

Now with the Hellboy movie, the real question is will the studio cast an Asian actor, if so then great it was all worth it and actual change was made.  I would just like to see more pressure put on the studio instead of the actor especially one in Ed's position.  Just to be clear there is a big difference between Ed's status and A listers Scarlett and Tilda.

[Spartan Girl]

My friend (who happens to be Korean American) is so sick of Scarlett being in movies taking place in any Asian country. We both agree that there will be terrible wrath if she's anywhere near the live action Mulan.

Edited September 2, 2017 by Spartan Girl

[galax-arena]

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Using the above example of Ed, and please don't mistake me I think what he did was great, but he "dropped" out of the movie, not "turned it down". My point being he was fully signed on to play this character

Eh, while that's of course possible, it's also possible that he wasn't aware that the character was supposed to be of Asian heritage. The character's last name is Daimio, which isn't exactly a popular Japanese surname that would be immediately recognizable to non-Japanese people the way Watanabe or Suzuki or Yagami is. (I've seen speculation that it's actually not a legit Japanese surname at all, and that it's simply a play on "daimyo" but I'm not Japanese and can't say with any degree of authority.) And a lot of actors don't research their characters beforehand for whatever reason. 

Edited September 2, 2017 by galax-arena

[JBC344]

2 hours ago, galax-arena said:

Eh, while that's of course possible, it's also possible that he wasn't aware that the character was supposed to be of Asian heritage. The character's last name is Daimio, which isn't exactly a popular Japanese surname that would be immediately recognizable to non-Japanese people the way Watanabe or Suzuki or Yagami is. (I've seen speculation that it's actually not a legit Japanese surname at all, and that it's simply a play on "daimyo" but I'm not Japanese and can't say with any degree of authority.) And a lot of actors don't research their characters beforehand for whatever reason. 

I see your point. I would imagine that sense Hellboy is based on a popular graphic novel/comic he would of googled the character at some point before officially signing on.

My overall point though is how important education is and also being willing to talk and receive everyone's point of view. So that a situation like Ed's is even possible and it doesn't become a situation of one side being called "racist" and the other incredibly defensive on a decision that was made by people behind the scenes. 

[Irlandesa]

3 hours ago, JBC344 said:

I would imagine that sense Hellboy is based on a popular graphic novel/comic he would of googled the character at some point before officially signing on.

Maybe.  But I do know a lot of actors who will take a role based on a book or some other medium but not watch the "original" because they want to create the character based on what the script and director would like him/her to do.  So he might have read the script, which was clearly not written for an Asian, decided to do it and then was introduced to the controversy once the news hit.

[JBC344]

2 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

Maybe.  But I do know a lot of actors who will take a role based on a book or some other medium but not watch the "original" because they want to create the character based on what the script and director would like him/her to do.  So he might have read the script, which was clearly not written for an Asian, decided to do it and then was introduced to the controversy once the news hit.

Possibly, I was just considering Ed's history in playing another comic book character that the first thing he would do is google said character. At least to make sure it wasn't to similar to what he did in Deadpool. 

[DollEyes]

Another on the Ed Skrein Love Train. Quitting the Hellboy reboot because he didn't want to play a whitewashed Asian character was very classy on his part. Hollywood has gone to that well way too many times & Skrein's taking a stand, putting his career & reputation on the line in the process, is true courage on his part.

As for why Skrein allegedly didn't research the role first, ITA with those who said that he wanted to put his own spin on it.  

  Of course, there are the haters on Twitter giving Skrein shit on his decision. One troll suggested that Bellboy should be played by a real demon. News flash, fool: demons aren't a race; Asians are. Another asshole bitched about Black actors playing originally White characters like Nick Fury & Domino in Marvel films. I don't hear Stan Lee, aka "Mr Marvel," complaining. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter when Skrein quit; it matters that he did.

Edited September 6, 2017 by DollEyes

[Trini]

1 hour ago, DollEyes said:

As for why Skrein allegedly didn't research the role first, ITA with those who said that he wanted to put his own spin on it.  

I'm not an actor, but he's not A-list where the roles come to him, so I imagine he auditions for a bunch of roles and doesn't research every single one (deeply, if at all), and probably goes by the casting descriptions.

[HunterHunted]

2 hours ago, DollEyes said:

Another on the Ed Skrein Love Train. Quitting the Hellboy reboot because he didn't want to play a whitewashed Asian character was very classy on his part. Hollywood has gone to that well way too many times & Skrein's taking a stand, putting his career & reputation on the line in the process, is true courage on his part.

As for why Skrein allegedly didn't research the role first, ITA with those who said that he wanted to put his own spin on it.  

 Of course, there are the haters on Twitter giving Skrein shit on his decision. One troll suggested that Hellboy should be played by a real demon. News flash, fool: demons aren't a race; Asians are. Another asshole bitched about Black actors playing originally White characters like Nick Fury & Domino in Marvel films. I don't hear Stan Lee, aka "Mr Marvel," complaining. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter when Skrein quit; it matters that he did.

They need to get over that because Nick Fury has been Black and looked like Sam Jackson in the Marvel Ultimates Universe since 2002. This is long before Marvel had planned on making movies. In fact, the last time Nick Fury appeared as a White character in animation was 2003. Iron Man came out in 2008. Marvel didn't have to use Ultimate Nick Fury. They sure as shit didn't use the Ultimate version of Iron Man or Miles Morales.

Perhaps they drew Ultimate Nick Fury to resemble Sam Jackson because they were hoping that if they ever made a movie they could cast him. However, that didn't work out for Wanted whose protagonists were drawn to resemble Eminem and Halle Berry, but we're played by James McAvoy and Angelina Jolie in the movie.

Domino is a character that is sort of incidentally Asian. She was the product of a government weapons program to create the perfect soldier. She's raised by the government, a cult, and a scientist all in secret. She's not really raised as an Asian American woman. I don't ever recall her having a story that had anything to do with Asia, Asians, or Asian culture. She is involved in a couple of stories in Japan, but that's because it was dumb Wolverine nonsense. But nothing about her race informs her personality, actions, or behavior. 

In all of these articles about white-washing, I'm shocked at how little derision there is in the press about Emma Stone playing Allison Ng in Aloha, a character that is described as 1/4 Hawaiian, 1/4 Chinese, and half White in the script. Ed Skrein may not have known about his character, but Emma Stone sure did. Girl needs to be dragged forever about Aloha.

[HunterHunted]

On 9/2/2017 at 6:57 PM, Irlandesa said:

Maybe.  But I do know a lot of actors who will take a role based on a book or some other medium but not watch the "original" because they want to create the character based on what the script and director would like him/her to do.  So he might have read the script, which was clearly not written for an Asian, decided to do it and then was introduced to the controversy once the news hit.

As convoluted and retconned as comics can be, you would do yourself a great disservice if you started googling their back stories. Olivia Munn played Psylocke in X-Men: Age of Apocalypse. Psylocke was originally a White British mutant with precognitive and telepathic powers. The character eventually had her mind placed in the body of a Japanese female ninja known as Kwannon, gaining many of Kwannon's martial arts skills and elements of her personality. There were a bunch of other weird twists in between. With comics more than any other adapted source, it's probably best to stick to the script. Delving into their confused and convoluted histories are a quick way to ruin a performance.

[BetterButter]

Disney's Live-Action 'Aladdin' Casts Billy Magnussen as New Character

[Spartan Girl]

I can't be too annoyed that there's one white guy. And it will probably be a minor role -- one of Jamine's jilted suitors, I imagine.

[dusang]

Or a new animal sidekick.

[Spartan Girl]

Will Smith just posted the first "cast selfie" from Aladdin

[Silver Raven]

10 hours ago, BetterButter said:

Disney's Live-Action 'Aladdin' Casts Billy Magnussen as New Character

I've been a fan of Billy's since his As The World Turn days, and was glad to see him doing well on Broadway.  A little skeptical of this pale skinned blond guy in Aladdin, but I'll wait and see.

Edited September 6, 2017 by Silver Raven

[Jazzy24]

3 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

I've been a fan of Billy's since his As The World Turn days, and was glad to see him doing well on Broadway.  A little skeptical of this pale skinned blond guy in Aladdin, but I'll wait and see.

Maybe he's a prince that traveled halfway around the world just to try to win Jasmine's hand in marriage. 

Anyways I hope the Director and writers have continued what the other directors of Disney's live action have done and written in Jasmine's and Aladdin's mothers. So hopefully we get some female casting news on that like yesterday.  

[GHScorpiosRule]

14 hours ago, BetterButter said:

Disney's Live-Action 'Aladdin' Casts Billy Magnussen as New Character

Why?

11 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

I can't be too annoyed that there's one white guy. And it will probably be a minor role -- one of Jamine's jilted suitors, I imagine.

I can, and I am. Yeah, yeah, movie's not even done yet or been released, blah, blah, blah.

[methodwriter85]

37 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Why?

I can, and I am. Yeah, yeah, movie's not even done yet or been released, blah, blah, blah.

I wonder if it will be like that Empire parody that SNL did:

Maybe they'll try to make him look ethnic?

4 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

I've been a fan of Billy's since his As The World Turn days, and was glad to see him doing well on Broadway.  A little skeptical of this pale skinned blond guy in Aladdin, but I'll wait and see.

He won me over as an adorably dumb frat guy in Damsels in Distress.

Edited September 6, 2017 by methodwriter85

[xaxat]

Flash Boys author says Hollywood won't adapt his book with an Asian lead

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Lewis spoke Saturday at the National Book Festival in Washington, D.C., where he told Washington Post writer Joel Achenbach that despite past Hollywood interest, a potential Flash Boys movie is unlikely to get off the ground because his main character, real-life IEX CEO Brad Katsuyama, is of Asian descent.

“Right now it’s close to dead,” Lewis told the audience. “The problem was revealed in the Sony hack. There were emails back and forth about how impossible it was to make a movie with an Asian lead. The problem was Brad Katsuyama. They’ve gotten to the point where they’re nervous about making an Asian guy a white guy. Decades ago, they weren’t. They would have just done that. But they don’t think there’s a well-enough known Asian male actor. Which I think is crazy.”

Three of Michael Lewis' books have been adapted to the big screen. Collectively they have earned thirteen Oscar nominations with two wins.

But this book? "Sorry Michael. Can't touch this one."

[twoods]

If they are casting jilted ex boyfriends or Aladdin's best friend, can we get Avan Jogia please? I would love to see him on the big screen. 

If they are casting jilted ex boyfriends or Aladdin's best friend, can we get Avan Jogia please? I would love to see him on the big screen. Or any other hot brown guy. Come on casting directors of Aladdin, you have a chance to fill this movie with good looking Indian or Middle Eastern people- make it happen. 

[Scarlett45]

22 hours ago, twoods said:

If they are casting jilted ex boyfriends or Aladdin's best friend, can we get Avan Jogia please? I would love to see him on the big screen. 

If they are casting jilted ex boyfriends or Aladdin's best friend, can we get Avan Jogia please? I would love to see him on the big screen. Or any other hot brown guy. Come on casting directors of Aladdin, you have a chance to fill this movie with good looking Indian or Middle Eastern people- make it happen. 

Yes please make Avan happen! I hadn't thought of him in a while, but he's old enough now where I don't feel Pervy for thinking he's hot. 

[angora]

On Hellboy/Ed Skrein, I agree that the studios deserve a huge amount of the culpability when it comes to whitewashing, but I think actors have a lot of power to to help or hurt in this situation.  After Skrein stepped down, Lionsgate announced that they were going to recast Ed Daimio more appropriately (granted, it doesn't count until they actually do it, but I want to believe they at least recognize what a shitstorm they'll be in if they go through all this only to cast a white actor AGAIN.)  Studios can keep deciding they want to whitewash PoC roles and they can keep trying to do that, but the more white actors - especially big-name actors - who turn down these roles, the less attractive the practice is going to be for them.  Not that it would change overnight, of course; I'm sure they'd keep looking until they find white actors too in need of work to feel they can turn it down.  But eventually, if white actors continue to stand with PoC, 1) the studios will realize that casting a PoC isn't a bigger gamble than a white unknown in a role that's supposed to be a PoC anyway, and 2) the white A-listers will send a message down the ladder that taking these roles isn't the way to get ahead, and even those white actors more in need of work/exposure will be less willing to accept them.  Actors can't force a studio to change its mind, but if they refuse to take part in the system, that studio will have a lot fewer options for doing so.

[Raja]

The problem with the discussion on a Marvel Comics adaptation is that Marvel Comics have a recent history of racially and gender flipping their large cast of surviving characters. When you say a character is suppose to be X, you have to back up and say artist A from 2010-2015 made that character X  but then artist B who took over the book in 2016 made that character a Y.

[ChelseaNH]

On 9/6/2017 at 8:37 PM, xaxat said:

But they don’t think there’s a well-enough known Asian male actor.

Maybe they could make one well-enough known.

Although Daniel Dae Kim does immediately come to mind...

Edited September 8, 2017 by ChelseaNH