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biakbiak

Damn Tiny Eyes that’s cold sleeping with your friend’s fiancé.

Bort
Bort

I was giving serious side eye to the guy in the beginning of the episode who decided to go ahead and propose to his girlfriend right after someone got flattened by a car in the street. 

AmandaPanda
AmandaPanda

I love this show already. I love that they're going full-on trope-y goodness from the very beginning. I don't need every show I watch to be the greatest show on TV. Sometimes, I just need a show that

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raven

One thing I learned from the "Save the Expanse" campaign was - watch live and DVR.  All of those numbers count. 

If you can, even leave your spare TV (if you have one) tuned to the show if no one's watching; do the same even if you're going out and setting your DVR anyway.

If people connected with the show are asking you to tweet with certain tags, then do it!  It means they are watching.

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phalange

phalange

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Line of the night goes either to Frankie for "Standish, your girlfriend sucks" or Standish for "Consider yourself dumped."

I can't believe they got me rooting for Susan and Ray, but Susan was so worried for him and even Jai ships them! Damn it. And of course Will knew the whole time and is happy for them because he's a genuinely good friend. 

I'm glad Will got to see Prague without his gun (and of course Frankie has hers!). Sooo close to a kiss. That's just mean! And the cliffhanger. Standish! I did my part by live tweeting; hopefully ABC really does reconsider. 

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WendyCR72

WendyCR72

11 minutes ago, phalange said:

I can't believe they got me rooting for Susan and Will

Assuming you meant "Susan and Ray" here?  😉 ETA: LOVED Standish's "Consider yourself dumped." Not banking on it, but I hope the hints at a cancellation reversal are true.

Oh, yeah...and I always loved the song, "Holding Out For A Hero". The Czech version was cool!

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mxc90

mxc90

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Paul didn't get a moment of mourning after his gruesome death. The team was back to jokes in no time.

Lauren Cohan must be thinking: "Damn! Another scene of who is the bad guy going to pick, kill and I have to watch in horror. Yay!". 

Why did Standish hold on to the info of Tina killing Emma? They all knew she sucked. Holding this back wouldn't change their opinion!

Ollerman just happened to know where Standish was going to walk that night. The man just doesn't know when to leave town.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

1 hour ago, phalange said:

Line of the night goes either to Frankie for "Standish, your girlfriend sucks" or Standish for "Consider yourself dumped."

[Standish spins around in the chair, shoots fake girlfriend/heartless terrorist] "Consider yourself dumped" was the best line of the series. 
Too little, too late.

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tennisgurl

tennisgurl

I hate that this might be the last episode, Frankie and Will havnt even kissed and been forced to deal with the fall out yet! I did my part live tweeting during the show and I used the link on the top of the page to ask Netflix to pick it up, I really hope that the rumors of it getting another chance are true.

Way to go Standish! "Consider yourself dumped." Poor guy, finds out his girlfriend is a traitor (and has a creepy relationship with her boss/boyfriend), sees a guy die, is almost killed, and how now been attacked with no resolution! Damn it ABC, dont play us like that!

Of course Will figured out what was going on with Ray and Susan already and is cool with it, he is just THAT nice of a guy. "Sleeping with Ray is punishment enough". I have not been a big Ray/Susan fan, but I admit they got me in a few feels this week, with how much Susan was worried about him and her frantically telling him how she felt before he almost died. Even Jai is shipping them!

We get one last awesome foreign language cover, of Holding Out For A Hero, for the road! At least, as of now. I mean, if this show ends, what will happen to my Spotify playlist?!

Glad that Will got to finally see Prague without a gun, and that Frankie still brought hers along. They might have changed each other, but not that much. We even get a cute moment and an almost kiss with nice scenery in the background. 

I really do think this show could find an audience, and could get even better, if someone just gives it a chance. 

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AnimeMania

AnimeMania

Poor guy who got his teeth knocked out, he finally met the love of his life, and he gets killed shortly afterwards. At least he got to kill somebody's Grandmother before he went.

I was hoping they would kill Ollerman and have Will's wife (IRL) escape to be the big bad next season. Standish could have severely injured Tina maybe physically through shooting and scarring her face up as she escapes by jumping through a window. This will give Standish some closure while still allowing Will and opportunity to get his revenge. This would also allow Will to keep his IRL wife around if Whiskey Cavalier got renewed for another season. I thought Tina was a way more interesting villain than Ollerman.

I almost thought we got away without a cliffhanger.

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Madge

Madge

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Frankie shot out the window and that allowed Ollerman to escape. If she had not done that, he would not have had any way out. Wondering what her motivation is in all this. He could have had six different escape plans but this could be a good twist. 

It cracked me up when Will told Susan he knew about her and Ray because he's a spy. He didn't know about his ex and Ray or about Tina but this he knew all about.

I really like this show. Hope it can come back somewhere.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

18 minutes ago, Madge said:

Frankie shot out the window and that allowed Ollerman to escape. If she had not done that, he would not have had any way out. Wondering what her motivation is in all this. He could have had six different escape plans but this could be a good twist. 

I saw Ollerman escaping as soon as she shot the window "warning shot," but it didn't occur to me that she did it on purpose. But, yeah. He probably is holding her grandma hostage or something.

Loandbehold

Loandbehold

13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Oh, yeah...and I always loved the song, "Holding Out For A Hero". The Czech version was cool!

Yep, another really nice foreign cover. If the show remains canceled, I'm going to miss this most.

12 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

Of course Will figured out what was going on with Ray and Susan already and is cool with it, he is just THAT nice of a guy. "Sleeping with Ray is punishment enough".

Love that Will's taking some lessons from Frankie. While still being a good friend, it was a very nice burn.

Standish is still alive. And, next season (if there is one) will have him getting back on the horse and meeting a lovely woman who it turns out is the new henchwoman for cyber!Ollerman.*

*That's right. Ollerman has seeded cyber versions of himself (or possibly clones) throughout the world to take over and complete his mission for world domination. Either that, or he's hiding somewhere super secret and his cyber-clones are going to be killed one-by-one.

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blackwing

blackwing

Really hoping for an un-cancellation!  That'd be fantastic news.

I agree that it would have been better if Tina had survived (and be the big bad in a hypothetical second season).  Annoying that Ollerman keeps surviving.  Reminds me of Damien Dahrk for a while on "Arrow", he was indestructible and unkillable.

IF the show happens to get brought back, whether on ABC or Netflix, I could see them keeping Marika Dominczyk... she would naturally return as Tina's identical twin sister who has always been a CIA operative, and she would work with the team to take down Ollerman and the Trust.

It was funny that we have been commenting on how nobody ever walks into the bar in New York, and then finally at episode 13, two senior citizen Trust agents did just that.  Why weren't the doors ever locked?  Seems like more people should be wandering in.

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Gothish520

Gothish520

2 minutes ago, blackwing said:

Really hoping for an un-cancellation!  That'd be fantastic news.

I agree that it would have been better if Tina had survived (and be the big bad in a hypothetical second season).  Annoying that Ollerman keeps surviving.  Reminds me of Damien Dahrk for a while on "Arrow", he was indestructible and unkillable.

IF the show happens to get brought back, whether on ABC or Netflix, I could see them keeping Marika Dominczyk... she would naturally return as Tina's identical twin sister who has always been a CIA operative, and she would work with the team to take down Ollerman and the Trust.

It was funny that we have been commenting on how nobody ever walks into the bar in New York, and then finally at episode 13, two senior citizen Trust agents did just that.  Why weren't the doors ever locked?  Seems like more people should be wandering in.

They should definitely have been locking the door!

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Anela

Anela

3 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

ABC now confirms to TV Line it is looking at the "feasibility" of Season 2 of Whiskey Cavalier.

LMAO. Don't want their show to make money for somebody else, huh? Happy for those of you who watched every week. I've been recording it on the DVR, since I got a new one, but I'll make sure to load it on their website, as I was doing when the old one didn't work. 

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Camera One

Camera One

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The finale was alright but not really as enjoyable as the last two episodes... unfortunately, it didn't make me yearn for another episode.  I hope ABC reconsiders or another network picks it up.  I heard it was the top show for DVR watching within a week or something.

I can't stand Ollerman, so it was more of an irritation that he popped up (alive) in the final moments.  It was obvious when he jumped out the window that the no body = not dead axiom might apply.  

It was also very obvious who the redshirt was going to be.  

The Tina reveal wasn't very satisfying, and neither was people finding out about Ray and Susan.  I did enjoy Standish surprising Tina at the meeting, though it was ridiculously implausible.  

The cliffhanger was also uninspired.  How long could a "Save Standish!" storyline last?  

I would like to watch a show with the two senior citizen agents who shot up the bar.

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Jacks-Son

Jacks-Son

9 minutes ago, Camera One said:

I would like to watch a show with the two senior citizen agents who shot up the bar.

You mean the ones who couldn’t shoot for shit?  Why have an automatic weapon if you can’t even shoot? I didn’t want to rate this crap too poorly, but you chose the right word, it was uninspired.

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Camera One

Camera One

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3 minutes ago, Jacks-Son said:

You mean the ones who couldn’t shoot for shit?  Why have an automatic weapon if you can’t even shoot? I didn’t want to rate this crap too poorly, but you chose the right word, it was uninspired.

And why the hell did they show up twice?  It's not like Ollerman didn't already know that was their headquarters since Tina was walking in and out like it was her second home.  I was already expecting the elderly couple to be revealed as enemy agents the first time they wandered into the bar.  That was how predictable this episode was.

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Loandbehold

Loandbehold

1 hour ago, Jacks-Son said:

You mean the ones who couldn’t shoot for shit?  Why have an automatic weapon if you can’t even shoot? I didn’t want to rate this crap too poorly, but you chose the right word, it was uninspired.

They weren't supposed to hit any of the group. Ollerman wanted them to get the case from the Russian/German/Whozitz minister. They were the distraction so Tina and Ollerman could get the drop on them. 

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Jacks-Son

Jacks-Son

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23 minutes ago, Loandbehold said:

They weren't supposed to hit any of the group. Ollerman wanted them to get the case from the Russian/German/Whozitz minister. They were the distraction so Tina and Ollerman could get the drop on them. 

Thanks for correcting my mistake.  If they intended to miss with automatic weapons, and they did, does that make them good shots?  They sure looked like they were shooting over the team's heads.

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Putting the apostrophe in its proper place.
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Mellowyellow

Mellowyellow

That was a good episode of what has been a really enjoyable show with a fantastic cast.

I was totally on board the Susan and Ray train! I think they are adorable. This entire group just works perfectly for me! Frankie and Will, Susan and Ray, Standish and Jai are the standout pairing but really it's so enjoyable no matter how they mix and match the character pairings and interactions.

Best moment of the episode and possibly series was Standish, all dressed up snazzy and putting a bullet through Tina.

I was so sad that it was cancelled I stayed away from this board so I wouldn't get depressed but now happy to see it may get a chance at renewal! *hoping really hard for another season*

Does anyone know WHY it was cancelled? How come CW shows can get 0.2 and be on for years?

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Camera One

Camera One

2 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:

Does anyone know WHY it was cancelled? How come CW shows can get 0.2 and be on for years?

It was cancelled due to low ratings, but apparently ABC is taking another look at the feasibility.

This article sort of explains part of why CW shows can get low ratings:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillbarr/2016/01/11/the-cw-arrow-flash-legends-of-tomorrow-jane-the-virgin-supernatural/#5e2dfe774fe9

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kickingnames

kickingnames

So, having watched the finale three (four?) times now —

 I was NOT on board with Ray and Susan. But ugh... they made me like Ray. Really, Josh Hopkins made me like Ray. Serious Ray, confident Ray, resolute Ray — I’m there for all of that. It’s OTT goofy Ray I’m not a fan of. So I’m pretty much Jai in this episode — initially grossed out but now rooting for them to make it work. And I loved that Will seems to have learned a little from the whole Gigi fiasco and recognized what was going on with Susan before she finally came clean, and is cool with his friends.

I really liked this episode. I expected a cliffhanger at the end (mainstay of shows like these), so it didn’t bother me too much. If the show doesn’t get a second season, I can just pretend the episode ended on the Will/Frankie near kiss.

But I really hope it gets picked up — I really like all the main characters. And now that Will and Ray are back on good terms, I want to see a little more of them being spies together. And Frankie having to put with Ray, since she’s the one likely to maintain her “not a fan of Ray” attitude, at least publicly (when he’s not in danger of dying), so that will be fun. (Can you tell I kind of love Ray now?)

tennisgurl

tennisgurl

This just seems cruel at this point. Dont jerk the cast, crew, and fans around like this if you have no real desire to undo the cancellation ABC!

Honestly, is it any surprise that people dont want to give new shows a try anymore? You start a new show, get invested in it, and then it gets instantly cancelled. Then the networks say that no one watched, because no one wanted to fall in love with a show that could get canned at any second, and the vicious cycle continues. Why wont the networks just give shows a chance to grow?! Especially as they try to compete with stream. This sucks. 

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Netfoot

Netfoot

35 minutes ago, MerBearHou said:

I can’t believe it’s only ratings.

It's money.

Whatever the show costs to make, the investors will require a return.  They will want their money back, and some gravy too.  And not just any old amount of gravy.  They will have a particular rate of return they want to see, and if they don't think they will get it -- or if they think they will get more gravy investing that money elsewhere -- the show will not be renewed.

Ratings are only a metric they use to try to predict the likely return.

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HighHopes

HighHopes

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On 5/24/2019 at 7:39 PM, Netfoot said:

It's money.

Whatever the show costs to make, the investors will require a return.  They will want their money back, and some gravy too.  And not just any old amount of gravy.  They will have a particular rate of return they want to see, and if they don't think they will get it -- or if they think they will get more gravy investing that money elsewhere -- the show will not be renewed.

Ratings are only a metric they use to try to predict the likely return.

I saw talk on Twitter that it came down to international sales. ABC wanted a share of them, WBTV said no, so it was cancelled the first time. Then they went back to the table with the same request/denial which of course lead to the same conclusion. 

I am just smad that ABC even commented on the possibility of renewing it if they probably knew it wouldn't happen. Why give the fans (and more importantly, the cast and crew) any hope if nothing had changed? 
 

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michelec

michelec

42 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

This just seems cruel at this point. Dont jerk the cast, crew, and fans around like this if you have no real desire to undo the cancellation ABC!

Honestly, is it any surprise that people dont want to give new shows a try anymore? You start a new show, get invested in it, and then it gets instantly cancelled. Then the networks say that no one watched, because no one wanted to fall in love with a show that could get canned at any second, and the vicious cycle continues. Why wont the networks just give shows a chance to grow?! Especially as they try to compete with stream. This sucks. 

Delurking to say ICAM. Prior to the WC premiere the only broadcast network show I still watched was How to Get Away with Murder (and even then I didn't start until it was renewed for S2). But the premise of WC was too good to resist so I thought I'd take a chance. And once again I got burned, which drove me away from the big 5 in the first place.

I've learned my lesson for good this time. Going forward I'm just sticking with cable, PBS, and streaming.

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Jacks-Son

Jacks-Son

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2 hours ago, Netfoot said:

It's money.

Whatever the show costs to make, the investors will require a return.  They will want their money back, and some gravy too.  And not just any old amount of gravy.  They will have a particular rate of return they want to see, and if they don't think they will get it -- or if they think they will get more gravy investing that money elsewhere -- the show will not be renewed.

Ratings are only a metric they use to try to predict the likely return.

It's always money. That's what selfish people think about first.  Instead of how can I help?  However, they DO film on site, so I can see ABC asking for a piece of that pie.  They’re bringing jobs, tourists, advertisement from the wonderful scenery. I don’t begrudge ABC for asking. However, they should have worked it out.  I’m sure the countries involved would like some recognition from Hollywood as a nice shooting spot.  Maybe they offered and ABC said it’s not enough?

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

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On 5/24/2019 at 9:27 AM, Camera One said:

The Trust was undeveloped and boring anyway.

I just realized "The Trust" sounds an awful lot like "THRUSH" from The Man From U.N.C.L.E., and, from Wikipedia:

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The original series never divulged who or what THRUSH represented, nor was it ever used as an acronym.


  
  

Oh. Now I see it's really cancelled. 
If I unfollow this thread again, will it get re-un-canelled?
  

The one thing I will really miss about this show is that Lauren Cohan made a believable badass super spy rather than like so many other supermodels in heels with machine guns. 

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WendyCR72

WendyCR72

16 minutes ago, Jacks-Son said:

She was a super model???  Don't see it.  Anyway, Cobie Smulders will do nicely as a replacement.

Have fun with the new show. I mean that sincerely. But I'm not taking anymore chances. Whiskey Cavalier was one of the very few network shows I have liked in ages. So I refuse to invest in yet another show so ABC can yank it at a whim.

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Jacks-Son

Jacks-Son

Silver lining in your cloud.  I've watched hundreds of shows come and go, and I just enjoy them while they last.  Every show eventually gets cancelled, I can't let that eventuality diminish my enjoyment of it.  If anything, I can always snark away.  I had a blast during "Under the Dome" 's run. Or "Flashforward".  Hell, even the worst of them are good for something, but the best of them, they're rare.  Those you enjoy while they last, you never know when the next one will come around.

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