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  1. It was even more rare that we were made to believe that she *could* have been redeemed if she had only gotten some slack from Snow. The "pull from the brink" moment was AFTER, not before the massacre.
  2. Fourth episode brings the male villain centric. I think that makes the show a lot more fun to watch, to have rootable, active heroes who succeed. The "twists" on this show are sometimes how the heroes outwit the villains; whereas the "twists" on the parent show are often how the villains have tricked the heroes. This was a major reason why I didn't like this episode all that much the first time. I hate redshirts dying. Knowing the outcome of this series, the way Amara acted just didn't seem like the same person who would have been Cyrus's mother, no matter how desperate she was. As you said, why would she be relishing in the demise of others, even if she was hoping to turn back time. I don't remember if we later find out that two people were needed to do the Curse, since she certainly didn't need to take on Jafar as a protegé. The whole arrangement was very icky considering they probably had a mother/son relationship to start with (it would be like if Regina and Adult Henry became a couple). I still hated Jafar and didn't enjoy him. They should have cast a kid who looked a bit more shady. I didn't find the backstory all that believable. Given how ruthless Jafar is, he would have used Lizard to force Alice to make a second wish. Having said that, I think I might have liked this episode more this time. I liked that they slowly showed that the Red Queen did care about Will. I think they could have cut her gleeful smile when Jafar was torturing Alice, though. That was a clever origin story for Jafar's serpent staff. I like Cyrus's voiceover way more than the horrible ones on the parent show. It seemed like Will realm-travelled a lot (though I'm not sure how... stealing one of the many Last Magic Beans™?). He was in Oz before he was in Wonderland, where he first met Robin Hood (that occurred in flashbacks of "Heart of Gold", a real crowd favorite among us, LOL). He was getting some sort of elixir to heal his broken heart from his sister who died falling through the ice into a lake and drowned... was his sister the other Anastasia? Maybe Will found his way back to Oz before the first Curse and waited it out there inside Zelena's bubble?
  3. I've fallen behind on this show again. It seems the time jump meant a few things got skipped over. So they told Saanvi about the dire warning in the captain's journal, but she doesn't care. I guess no one else cares about her too much either. And now Ben has jumped onto Adrian's hypothesis and now thinks The Callings may not be a good force, because Cal's visions are so dark. Like literally dark looming figures. Speaking of which, if Cal is getting nightmares, yes, let's just shut the door to his bedroom. The dialogue is ridiculously random. Why was Cal talking about dim sum? I'm liking the bonds that TJ is making with the family, though. "Let him go", so now The Callings is protecting drug dealers. I really don't get it. So originally, in Cal's drawing from Season 1, the shadowy figure was singular, and he was in the background of the family. But then in his bedroom one night, one shadowy figure turned into three. And now they just represent three drug dealers. Ooooookay. If The Callings was so adamant about the drug dealers being free to make meth, why have Michaela cross paths with them? Shouldn't The Callings have persistently repeated the "Let him go" message throughout her entire investigation, so she would drop it? Weirdly, this was probably the first episode I actually liked or was interested in Zeke as a character. I actually wanted to see his conversation with his dad. So of course, they just cut away. Even one-off guest stars had more screentime with their family than Zeke did.
  4. I watched Season 3 over the last week, and I actually enjoyed it as campy as it was. I had stopped watching after Season 2 way back when, and I had noticed "Mistresses" was on the streaming service I joined, but I never bothered to catch up. But the series is leaving the streaming service at the end of this month, so I decided it's now or never. The main characters are seriously all lacking intelligence half of the time, so it was fun to visit this thread to read everyone's reactions after each episode. It has been so long that I couldn't remember the plotlines from Season 2 very well, and maybe because of that, I didn't miss Savi at all. Calista (and her friendship with Joss) grew on me, so I felt a bit bad for her at the end, though she really screwed Joss over. The police detectives on this show are just horrible. Joss' decision to visit Calista's house at the end to investigate was idiotic, and I didn't feel that satisfied by how this murder mystery ended. I was reading this interview about how they cut scenes because they didn't want to make the murderer too obvious, but we hardly even knew Wilson the Assistant, so that really reduced any impact of their reveal. I thought it was weird how much screentime they gave the lawyer guy, and the whole bit about Harry being suspicious of him went nowhere, so I wonder if they had planned something else but changed their minds. I mostly started watching this show because I liked Yujin Kim from "Lost". Her storyline this season was pretty bad. I thought Vivian was creepy and Alec was so stoic that he had zero chemistry. But I guess I still enjoyed watching Karen and her friendship with April and Joss. She has good comedic chops that she rarely got to display on "Lost" (heck, she hardly got to do anything on "Lost" in the last season and a half). The worst part of April's storyline was that bratty daughter Lucy. Marc grew on me too. He did have a boyish charm about him and his earnestness was cute, but he really seemed like a little brother to April. It was interesting they tried to bring Harry more into the fold by making him become friends with Marc. Though it was a bit icky how Harry let Marc have a one-night stand in his bed and he wanted to know the details. I didn't feel much chemistry between Harry and Ari the agent. Her hairstyle reminded me of the woman in the TV show "Providence". I never watched it but her frizzy hair was quite distinctive in all the TV commercials. Anyway, I'll watch Season 4 soon. I ended up watching 2-3 episodes of Season 3 at a time.
  5. Which is as it should be. Season 7 was practically plagiarizing themselves, to reset the show with essentially the same premise but different characters. With "Wonderland", they were actually trying to tell a different story. Hence, you can't draw direct parallels very easily.
  6. This is the only reference I can find: There was nothing more fun than seeing him revert to being a thief again.
  7. I totally agree with your assessment. The interview was from Season 3 when they were promoting the "Wonderland" spinoff, but they never backed off from the timeline. I vaguely remember them answering a question on Twitter or some interview. That's the problem with them; they're not willing to put in any extra thought to adjust, even when it makes sense.
  8. I suspect that's what they truly think about the "traditional" Disney princesses compared their strong kickass female protagonists. So in essence, they never would have seriously considered what a thoroughly "good" princess might be like (by their definition, they're weak, boring and a total joke). Your idea with her using diplomacy and animal-talking skills is great, since they failed to do that with Snow, uh I mean Mary Margaret. There are several parks (which are actually forests) within the city, but the entire city is surrounded by wilderness, and a lot of filming happens on the mountain trails that are quite close by. Of course, they all look the same because it's the same temperate rainforest with mostly conifers. Maybe it's on a set that's used by multiple productions. There isn't really such a place in public. They did do a better job with Wonderland, than the Oz forest or the Neverland forest.
  9. This is what Eddy said: I like your explanation better, that Wonderland took place post-Season 4. As you said, there is nothing on the show itself that said the pilot starts with the wraith happens. I think Will could have been without a heart and still have feelings. Graham did. They were very inconsistent with that concept. Cora removing her heart was a big deal in the flashback of "The Miller's Daughter", and that was around the time they came up with Wonderland and Will losing his heart. For old time sake, the interview quoted above is the same one where Eddy said his biggest regret about Season 2 was the taser: https://www.etonline.com/tv/133446_Once_Upon_A_Time_Season_2_Finale_Spoilers
  10. Henry said there was a German Snow White and a French Snow White, etc. So there could potentially be a Council of 100 Snow Whites. I wonder how the other 99 Evil Queens felt about Regina becoming the Queen of Everything. I suppose most of them actually did get pushed off a cliff or executed.
  11. It is Regina, so her actual quote was, "I can't wait to see what's in store for me next". And then hastily added "Well, for everyone". I love your idea for the next scene!
  12. Episode 3 I agree with your thoughts on this episode. On the surface, it's one of those episodes where they Find The Super Useful Magical Object that no one has ever heard of, but is subsequently never used again. But it was still a well crafted episode. There were some good character moments for Will. Watching it after Season 4, you see why he dug up the picture on the beach. His decision to not give the caterpillar the forget me not showed him trying to do the right thing. So did Alice inspire him to do that, or was he thinking of that sanctimonious Robin Hood from years gone by? If Will had recently seen Robin in Storybrooke, it actually would have made that connection more meaningful. Will's feelings about lost love also allowed him to connect to the Grendel. I liked how the episode brought up the moral consequences of giving the magical rope to the caterpillar, as Alice said, putting the hurt on others, in order to save Cyrus. That was almost always ignored on the parent show. The twists were good as well, from Cyrus tricking them to pick the Bandersnatch, to the Anastasia flashback reveal, to Alice "using her wishes" - the sharp edges - to untie herself from the rope. The concept of the Underland where the Caterpillar was clever, though for a moment, I thought of Underbrooke. Grendel and his house/previous appearance seemed like it came out of Fictional Victorian Land. That was a weird choice considering that isn't even the time era of the Beowulf story. Grendel looked more like The Hunchback of Notre Dame. It was pretty cruel of Anastasia to turn him into a monster, though. Speaking of Hunchback, the Rose Window in Maleficent's castle reminded me of Notre Dame. I'm glad Alice found out about the Rabbit's betrayal three episodes in. It is funny how Robin Hood got a more bearable centric on the spinoff show. So was this post-losing Marian? He reprimanded Will for going after magic, yet he broke into the Dark One's castle to save Marian with magic. As you said, Robin was probably more watchable in this one because he wasn't being a total hypocrite.
  13. I was looking at some of the other screenshots from that montage. So this is pulling back from that castle which was in the foreground in the other shot, so this would be further from Storybrooke. What town/castle is the building with the green roofs? It looks like Arendelle, but the climate should be extremely different from Agrabah. Did Agrabah have a bridge leading to it before? So Regina got rid of the desert? Then, there's Skull Rock. Where's the rest of Neverland? Why is the Beanstalk so close to Fictional Victorian London? Is the foreground the port town where the Jolly Roger liked to dock? The land of Untold Stories have been compressed into a single blimp, or is that it in the foreground? And here, we have Pleasure Island on the other side of Fictional Victorian London. Shouldn't it technically be closer to King George's kingdom? So the Disenchanted Forest is all the way over here, then? Why did Alice's troll return? Is anyone dealing with its latest rampages? Plus Rapunzel's Tower has been rebuilt.
  14. Can you imagine being a peasant, and your farmland got compressed, or relocated to Oz? Seriously, Season 8 writes itself. Good Queen Regina, My Aunt Fanny.
  15. I haven't watched Episode 3, yet, but I was thinking about Will and how he really had no equivalent in Season 1. Comparing the parent show and Season 7, there was a clear formula occurring. The Wonderland spinoff had some equivalencies, but I think Will was a unique addition. Snow/Emma = Alice = Adult Henry (I guess he was also Charming minus charm) Charming = Cyrus = Jacinda (I guess she was also Snow too minus charm) Regina = Red Queen = Victoria (Red Queen was part Drizella too) Rumple = Jafar = Mother Gothel Henry = none (maybe White Rabbit as the cutesy addition) = Lucy I suppose if there had to be an equivalency, Will was most similar to the role of Hook for Season 3 onwards... he was the flawed quippy guy wanting/needing redemption. I guess the Season 7 equivalent would be Alice, who was quirky like Will, who was a bit more of a comic relief character. Tiana's role was too small and inconsequential to be compared to Will in the spinoff.
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