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  1. What confuses me is how the series could still remain decent for three more seasons after that before finally collapsing on itself.
  2. When it's put like that, the patterns really stand out. A&E probably believe this was a strength of the series because they considered these walking contradictions to be character depth and complexities. Yes, that was another huge problem, and as you said, it was pretty much annual or semi-annual. It's just such a lazy way to brainstorm for a show. It seemed like when the Writers discussed a centric, they jumped into the particulars taking for granted the basic outline that was set for that particular character (eg. Rumple faced a tough moral dilemma in the past and picks the "wrong" choice). They couldn't care less when they had to retcon like hell to make it work (eg. Oooh... Baelfire was a bloodthirsty brat all along and it was Rumple who gave him amnesia and made him good again but at Rumple's expense. Father of the year!). Jane said that in "Bleeding Through", they weren't interested in Leopold. Well, fair enough, but you still need to think about supporting character motivations/personalities and write a story that is consistent with previously written material (but why do so when A&E can declare that if you watch "The Stable Boy" REALLY carefully, you can tell Leopold knew Cora... give me a break).
  3. That would be an insult to the cartoon Snow too. If they made Snow hopeful that would be one thing, but as you said, she was defeatist and needed to be cheered up whenever things got bad. They kept flip-flopping her between "I'm Mary Margaret here!" and "I don't want to be MM anymore!" to the point you'd think SHE had split herself in two. I think out of all the characters, Snow was the most destroyed character. Second place was Henry, since he didn't have as far to fall. He was a smart, pretty well-defined kid in Season 1 who saw Regina for who she really was. He was the first casualty on the Writers' block by having him declare false equivalencies between what Regina did and what the "heroes" (Emma lying about his father and Snow defeating Cora) were doing. I would say third place was Belle, except I didn't find her that great even in "Skin Deep". She was hollow as a character from the start since a big part of Belle was her relationship with her father and they ignored that completely on this show right from the beginning (because this show values family relationship... right). I was afraid they would ruin Emma in 5A, but they actually didn't. She didn't do anything that was remotely evil in my books. Her ruination came in Season 6. It's not that she became unlikeable. She just became completely flat and devoid of any spark or personality. I'm not sure if they put enough energy into Charming to really destroy him, except as a casualty of the Snow character assassination. For their favorite character, the Writers ruined Regina as early as 2B, by having her kowtow to her mother and acting like she erased all her evil deeds by agreeing to sacrifice herself for Henry. Not to mention making Regina into a mass murderer, which was totally unnecessary. And every time they had the "heroes" make excuses for Regina or bend over backwards to accommodate her while Regina responded like an ingrate (oops, I mean sassy strong woman), they actually undermined Regina as a character. Meanwhile, Rumple was ruined beyond hope in 4A, less so with what he did to the heroes, but moreso because they had Belle constantly making excuses for his horrible behavior and then writing the story as if Rumple was actually good inside and deserved Belle's love. That disgusting unearned "romance" just made Rumple less and less bearable, especially when he told Belle he wouldn't change but continue to pursue her resulting in the gag-worthy "Up Someone's Back End" episode. I think the only character who wasn't ruined by the end was Hook, though not for lack of trying, what with revealing he killed his father and left his stepbrother an orphan, and then deciding he killed David's father. At least they had the character consistently accept responsibility for his actions and try to atone for his crimes. The mark of a bad show is by the end, you find you don't care about any of the characters anymore because they had lost all their core characteristics or had become unlikeable.
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    OUAT vs. Other Fairy Tales: Compare & Contrast

    I finally braved a theater full of kids and watched "Aladdin". Very specific spoilers abound below. Like the other live-action remakes, this movie doesn't come close to the original. But it wasn't as bad as I had read in reviews. A lot of the Youtube clips and songs seen out of context felt really weak, but they did work better within the context of the movie. In general, when a remake tries to copy scene-by-scene the original, it generally doesn't succeed and I found many instances of that in this movie. The first part of the movie was clunky, especially when characters said exact lines from the original movie. An example was when someone in the travelling royal entourage called Aladdin a street-rat at the beginning using the same line as the original. It fell flat, whereas in the original movie, you really felt for Aladdin. Even the musical sequence of "One Jump Ahead" felt weaker because it was like a bland replay of the original with a weird rockier version of the song. Overall, I think this movie was a little better than "Beauty and the Beast" (mainly because they changed and shifted things around a bit more) but in the same general ballpark. The characters were likeable enough that a live-action of the direct-to-video sequels might work considering they started off a lot more flawed. But heck, now that Disney is doing so many live-actions, I wish they'd consider a mash-up movie. What about a movie with the main characters from Aladdin, Cinderella, Mary Poppins, Christopher Robin and Beauty and the Beast? Now, THAT is how it could actually get interesting for once.
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    S06.E01: The Savior

    The whole prophesy thing has been done before on other shows, and it rarely turns out well, but I think it was done particularly badly on this show. On some shows, the characters might go out and learn more about the prophesy and there might be steps to avert it. But you already could predict that the Oracle would only give Emma bad news. I don't remember exactly but wasn't her information pretty much the same thing that Hyde says?
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    S06.E02: A Bitter Draught

    So Regina walks into the diner and tells the Untold Stories people that they ran away because they were afraid "whatever was in this book is going to play out." I thought the Author wrote what he or she observed. So why would there be un-played out stories in that book? And what was the Count of Monte Cristo's story in there anyway? It's clearly different than the actual novel's ending, where the Count is just fine. Didn't that storybook just tell the story of what happened before they went to the Land of Untold Stories? Knowing what's going to happen just made the story weaker. Though Regina's inspirational speech to a bunch of strangers wearing random costumes from a Halloween shop was just as bad. "Whatever's going to come next - we're going to face it... together!" I forgot the line with Emma telling Belle that she would not "wish Granny's mattresses on anyone" immediately after they gave rooms to the Untold Stories people. Are these Writers as insensitive and selfish as they make the characters seem?
  7. They were writing the show as if they were the target audience so that was appropriate.
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    S06.E01: The Savior

    They borrowed them from The Others on "Lost".
  9. Most ironic tweet from Adam in June 2019 Adam Horowitz @AdamHorowitzLA Never underestimate the audience. They are smarter than you think. 8:51 PM · Jun 12, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone
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    OUAT Series Rewatch!

    This would be fun. I would like our time in Land of Rewatch to last longer too. With "Lost", there were so many compilation clips that it was possible to do a rewatch with all the flashbacks of a particular character seen in order from childhood onwards.
  11. It is shoddy writing that they basically did a reset and ignored everything that happened in Season 5 to Emma and Hook with their Savior arc in 6A. Though in some ways, it would be hard to write an enjoyable storyline using the fallout of that storyline, whether it be Hook pushing Emma away or vice versa. We've already done the storyline of Hook feeling that he wasn't good enough, and ditto x 1000 to Emma and her WALLS™. By 6A, the Writers had basically written all the characters into corners with no escape or fast-forwarded or flip-flopped their development to the point where there was nothing left to squeeze out... sadly, even for characters and relationships that formerly had a lot of potential.
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    OUAT vs. Other Fairy Tales: Compare & Contrast

    Did anyone post their thoughts on "Mary Poppins Returns"? I just watched it on DVD. I thought it did a good job of capturing the spirit and style of the original. Because of that, the movie felt old fashioned. It started out well... I was glad the children weren't brats, so they didn't try to do a retread of the same plot. The first few songs seemed like they had a purpose. By the middle of the movie, though, it became episodic and none of the episodes or songs seemed to serve any real purpose in character or plot. I know the original movie was sort of similar, but with less memorable songs, it wasn't as successful. I haven't read the books for so long I don't know which stories they took from the books (the books are also very episodic though). The plot with the parents felt rather disconnected from these episodes with the children. Mary Poppins hardly interacted with Michael and Jane, so it was unclear what her purpose of returning even was. I guess it was instilling Hope™? Overall, though, the production values were good and the actors did a credible job throughout. I liked how there were some score refrains of the original movie whenever Michael had a moment with Mary Poppins. When Mary Poppins was singing about where the lost things go, I almost laughed imagining A&E incorporating The Land of Lost People and Things in Season 10B.
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    S06.E01: The Savior

    About The Oracle: I do find it funny how the actors try to bring depth or meaning to characters that was meant to have neither (even though this show was supposed to draw on all sorts of stories). Good on her for that. I thought the Oracle was an intriguing character.
  14. I was looking at the failure of the Untold Stories threat, and at the end of the day, it was basically a few people with a grudge against the main characters as per usual. Liam and Lady Tremaine just happened to come to a place where their supposed enemies lived. Did Hyde have time to look up and find the specific people who would have grudges to allow him to rule Storybrooke? He wouldn't have known The Evil Queen was in town, and she was the only reason Edmond Dantes attacked Snowing. Then, there was Jasmine and The Oracle who weren't threats. What was Hyde's endgame anyway? Did he not care about revenge against Rumple?
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    S06.E01: The Savior

    Maybe it crashed really deep into the forest, and it took an hour to hike there? They could have travelled their by magic but sometimes they seem to enjoy walking instead.
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