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  1. There was some disconnect, though, in that the show really seemed to be pushing the idea that Mary was as good or maybe even better as her sons. Realistically, her experience level would probably have put her somewhere between season 1 Sam and season 1 Dean--in other words, certainly a skilled hunter, but not someone going toe to toe with celestial and demonic beings on the regular. Though I suppose there's room for retconning that in the new series.
  2. Here's a thought: could the "frame narrative" of the show be set in Heaven? That would be consistent with narration from Dean, and it might be a way to make a memory-wipe scenario palatable. Have a first scene with Dean, John and Mary (the JDM/SS versions) in heaven, where maybe J&M have gotten or are getting some of their memories back. Or, at least, it becomes clear there are some discrepancies in memories, and Dean investigates. Still not great, necessarily, but at least then there's not the same sense of total waste and frustration, as some version of these characters do get their
  3. Sigh. I left these boards years ago over bitch/jerk, and I can't even get through a single post that has nothing at all to do with Sam or Dean without accusations of bias resurfacing. I don't care if Shakespeare were writing, producing, and starring in the series. It is a prequel about characters whose fates are known, as is the broad outline of their story. That makes me not super excited for it right off the bat. I guess it is possible that the show could work well if the showrunners simply ignore things in canon that they don't like, and tell the story of John finding out the tr
  4. Eh. I just don't see how this is going to work. I'm generally suspicious of prequels, because I do think that part of the enjoyment of a show is watching to see how everything turns out in the end. When you don't have that, it robs us of something significant. Sure, the journey is more important than the destination, and it can be interesting to see how everything came to be--but at the end of the day, knowing the fates of John and Mary cheapens the experience of watching them headline what I assume is intended as a multi-season serialized drama. And for John and Mary, show canon ha
  5. Oh, of course. Obviously Marina couldn't have done any of this on her own. But that would have been the obvious thing for her parents to do as well. They would have had as much motivation for covering things up as she would have. Ethically speaking, definitely the right thing to do. But this would have been risky to the point of insanity. That Colin was willing to do it--if indeed we believe he actually would have gone through with it, in the cold light of day--is not something any reasonable person would have anticipated. And I don't remember the exact dialogue, but I don't think
  6. For me, there's a difference between a complicated personality and total inconsistency. I could believe, for instance, that a man might sincerely love his wife and family, but also be having an affair. The latter is a betrayal of the former, but the two are not incompatible. Similarly, I do believe that Penelope really does care about Eloise and consider her a friend, despite the fact that some of the things she is writing would definitely and rightly be perceived as a betrayal of Eloise (or at least of her family). That's different from accepting that someone who has no idea how someone
  7. Marina was wrong, yes, but I think, in context, it would have taken almost heroic levels of integrity and self-sacrifice for her to have refused to lie, given the options as the show presented them. One weakness of the plot is that it absolutely ignores the presence of what seems to me the most logical and safest option. Marina should have returned home to the country, delivered her baby in private and used some of the money in her dowry to pay off a poor family to raise the kid. It wouldn't have been a foolproof solution, and it still might well have led to rumors of scandal that would h
  8. Right. I think the issue is that we can't have it both ways. Obviously there can be shades of grey, where someone isn't all good and all bad. But there's just too much distance between Penelope as a sweet, bubbly innocent and Penelope as a witty, sharp sophisticate for the second to exist without the first being a total sham. If you want to cheer for Pen/LW as an ambitious conniver who is outplaying everyone else in the social game, that's fine. But then acknowledge that she's doing rotten things to other people for her own gain, which she is, rather than trying to create a scenario where Pen
  9. The thing is, there wasn't actually any real news about Daphne to report, which means it is hard for me to see how LW's credibility would have suffered by not piling on with snark. It isn't like she would have been allowing herself to get scooped by another scandal sheet; as long as she kept writing entertaining stuff, I don't find it credible that the fact that she didn't happen to comment on non-news involving Daphne would have been enough to sink her. On the other hand, the fact that it was hurtful to Daphne is evident; there's a difference between there being a general sense that your star
  10. Daphne came pretty close to being forced into marriage with a brute, and Marina could have died in her attempts to induce an abortion. I'll grant you that it didn't honestly make a ton of sense that Anthony was pushing Daphne to marry Berbrook because she didn't have any other suitors at the ripe old age of 18 or 19, but even if the stakes would realistically have been pretty low, what Penelope did to Daphne is still shitty. That Penelope might be rightly frustrated about her own situation doesn't justify lashing out at others; that's like saying that it is totally fine to steal from peop
  11. If Pen thought there was any chance she was going to have to invoke the nuclear option and out Marina, she should have been a lot more direct with Colin than she was. I also fail to believe that someone who is capable of driving around making deliveries of her scandal-sheet under her parents' nose would have found it utterly impossible to get a message to her best friend's brother, who lived across the street, in a timely manner. But let's leave that aside. I can accept the betrayal of Marina, even with all its consequences and potential consequences, as within the bounds of forgivable fo
  12. For me, the question isn't whether or not it is sexual assault. The question is whether or not that's a terribly meaningful category given the time Daphne lives in. Taking a belt to a child for misbehavior is child abuse. It is and has always been child abuse; it just hasn't always been recognized as such. But if a father in Bridgerton whipped his eight or nine year old son, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to talk about how terrible and abusive the father was, because he would be acting in what he and most of is peers considered to be a responsible manner--one that was in fact in line wit
  13. I don't like Pen being LW for reasons of logic, more than for reasons of character (though I think it really trashes her character as well). Pen is a 17 year old society girl in her first season. Unless she's totally lying, she is innocent enough that she doesn't understand where babies come from. She slips up and asks her mother if she can "play" with her best friend. The writer of LW is a sophisticate comfortable with mild sexual innuendo and prone to witty aphorism. It just does not make sense for that prose to come from a sheltered teenager. That's aside from the stretch it would take f
  14. Coming late, but put me in the camp who thinks we can't apply 21st century standards here. Neither Daphne nor Simon would have any context for thinking of what she did as rape. I'm not a total moral relativist; here are certain things that any person of ordinary feeling should recognize as dead wrong. If Simon had overpowered Daphne on their wedding night while she sobbed and pleaded for him to stop, that would be horrific regardless of his living in a time where "marital rape" was not a crime and his entitlement to his wife's body would have been taken for granted. But what Daphne did i
  15. I don't think that suggests that it is Memorex heaven. Memorex or not, heaven is still magic, for lack of a better word. Presumably, most people who died in old age would want to return to a younger body, whereas I can see how even someone who died at Bobby's age would prefer to keep his appearance at the time of death. There's no reason everyone should either have to look like they did at death, or have to look like they did at age 25. Plus, practically speaking, the show had to have a Bobby who looked liked the Bobby we knew.
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