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    Once Upon A...SHOULDA HAPPENED THIS WAY!

    With the case of Graham, it was something that Emma and Henry would probably have thought about (unlike Hook's secret, which could very well have stayed buried for eternity). I mean, Henry outright believed that Regina killed Graham in Season 1 and Emma knew full well that Regina had a vault of hearts. I suppose Emma could have gone back and forth about whether Regina killed Graham or whether it was just a heart attack, but she never felt comfortable enough to ask Regina what really happened?
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    Once Upon A...SHOULDA HAPPENED THIS WAY!

    I have mixed feelings since if the show is going to go with the usual handwave, then it might be more damaging. The Graham thing was just so horrific that I can't see how Emma could still want to be Regina's BFF.
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    S05.E05: Dreamcatcher

  4. I couldn't find this thread, so recreated the old one. I guess this is for discussion of "Once Upon a Time" compared to the source material, and other adaptations such as films. -------------------- I just watched "Frozen" last night, mostly because of the season finale and to get a sense of what next season will entail. * Beware "Frozen" spoilers below... I thought the movie wasn't bad, but I also wasn't that impressed either. It wasn't really a traditional Disney animated film where there was a clear villain, until the reveal almost at the end of the film. Which is refreshing in a way but the first third of the film seemed to drag because of it with almost no forward momentum. When it was revealed that the Prince was actually evil, it came out of nowhere and it reminded me of "Once Upon a Time" and not in a good way (aka Tamara). I actually liked the Prince more than that ice breaker guy. The relationship between Anna and Elsa felt really undefined as well. So Elsa was shut up in the room all the time? Did she come out for dinner? She spent all those years and STILL couldn't control the freezing power? Even with gloves on? Why didn't she just wear gloves all the time? And what happened in the 3 years after the parents died, and Elsa became Queen? Who was the regent during this time? I can understand why Horowitz and Kitsis said they loved the movie, since it was a typical sob story for a misunderstood so-called villain, except in this case, Elsa wasn't really a villain except for sending that giant evil snowman to chase her sister. But she was just crying in the castle, so maybe she forgot she sent that thing which pretty much could have killed Anna by throwing her off a cliff?
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    OUAT vs. Other Fairy Tales: Compare & Contrast

    That was basically all I was asking for the last three and a half seasons. Just one episode.
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    OUAT vs. Other Fairy Tales: Compare & Contrast

    I am thinking back, and I think we had lost all hope that anything like this would ever happen. I mean, we still had HOPE, or we wouldn't have still kept watching, but this was asking for too much.
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    OUAT vs. Other Fairy Tales: Compare & Contrast

    I don't know if "Game of Thrones" quality has declined over the years, but I guess a good series finale or final season is where the Writers are able to recognize some of the problems and to bring back the best aspects of the show from its early days. A&E weren't able to do that at all in Season 6. We didn't get to see Emma and Mary Margaret bonding again, which was a big appeal of the first half of the first season, at least. They even doubled down on the spotlight on The Evil Queen and giving Rumple the love that he didn't deserve. Nothing in "The Final Battle" was remotely satisfying.
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    OUAT vs. Other Fairy Tales: Compare & Contrast

    "Game of Thrones" is so popular that I decided to look at the Season 7 episode titles from "Game of Thrones" and determine what they would be about if it were "Once Upon a Time" Season 8. I don't watch "Game of Thrones" so I have no idea what those episodes were actually about. Episode 1: Dragonstone - Lily enlists Henry and Jacinda's help to find her long-lost father Zorro. They realize to find him, a new hero will need to pull the Disenchanted Sword from the Disenchanted Stone, and Henry really wants to be that Hero™. Episode 2: Stormborn - In flashbacks, we learn that Wish Hook was born during a storm and his mother was Mother Gothel, who's also Zorro's mother. A reborn Mother Gothel, along with identical sisters Mother Mothel and Mother Frothel, arrive in the amalgamated Storybrooke-AllTheRealms-HyperionHeights. Episode 3: The Queen's Justice - In flashbacks, we learn that Regina was mentored by Judge Claude Frollo and she was all set to become a Judge until she realized she had to fight against the sexism of the Courts. We find out Cora sabotaged her promising career since she made a deal with Frollo, who turns out to be Zorro's father. Episode 4: The Spoils of War - Tiana fights her greatest battle yet, against the Huns. In Hyperion Heights, a rash of food poisoning is blamed on the spoilage of beignets. Can Sabine keep her business license? Episode 5: Eastwatch - We finally see a flashback where Zelena is 6 months pregnant with Robyn and meets The Wicked Witch of the East, who was dethroned by Glinda and her bosom sisters. Unfortunately, Zelena blindly trusts East, who betrays her and turns into a dragon, and she's Zorro's sister, but she's thankfully defeated by Alice, Whook's daughter, who's 40-years-old in this episode. Believe us, the timeline totally works. Episode 6: Beyond the Wall - Emma makes a guest appearance and it's all about how she got Beyond the WALL™. It's not really Emma, just a random blond lady since we couldn't get the original actress back. She's from a third realm, the Unenchanted Forest. Episode 7: The Dragon and the Wolf - Red makes a guest appearance and goes on an adventure with Dorothy, Merida, Lily and Pocahontas. This episode has nothing to do with anything else in this season.
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    Selina Kyle: Purrrfect casting or a Cat-tastrophy?

    It's interesting because this was written 2 years ago, but I guess we have our answer now. They just don't reconcile her to the antiheroine she'll become. Or they'll do it all in a single episode this week. Or the entire transformation was because of Bruce abandoning her in the second-to-last episode. Overall, they didn't do a good job with that for any of the characters in the series, beyond the first season or so. I don't feel that the character is all that different from the way she was by the end of Season 1 or 2.
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    Spoilers and Spoiled Speculation

    It is odd, but that could possibly make sense. The majority of the incarnations of Catwoman has been sexualized. And on this show, look at the track record with the aged-up Poison Ivy. It seemed like they were trying to move towards a rift between Bruce and Selena this season and Selena's resurrection could have explained how she could have become Catwoman but in the last couple of episodes, Bruce and Selena were back in sync again. The Writers should have written something that would have fit what the actress wanted to play. No one wants to see a recast in the final episode. If David Mazouz wasn't going to play Adult Bruce, then I'm not sure what the point would be. Maybe he just added extra bulk to his Batsuit to simulate muscles. If they're going to CGI his face onto a man's body, I just hope it doesn't look too ridiculous.
  11. So what does A&E have up their sleeves this time?
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    OUAT vs. Other Fairy Tales: Compare & Contrast

    Disney's "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" experiences a surge in streaming after fire. I wish the stage musical adaptation had been able to reach Broadway.
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    S05.E11: They Did What?

    Yes. I was trying to figure out what Bane added to the season or Jim's development. Basically nothing. What's the point of the two of them having a backstory when it made zero difference? They could have substituted Bane's role with any other villain or even an anonymous second-in-command. When characters could be switched in and out with no repercussion, then the story is just generic.
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    S05.E11: They Did What?

    I'm sad to say none of the scenes in this episode moved me at all, not even from the character combos I liked the most (or I guess I should say the character combos I used to like the most). Jim and Harvey, Jim and Bruce, Bruce and Alfred... the final scenes should have been moving, but they all left me cold. I used to really want to see Bruce's journey and that was practically the only thing that interested me for a long time, but I don't know if it's the writing or the acting but this final season, Bruce has become as wooden as everyone else. The scene with Selena in Wayne Towers should have been moving but it simply wasn't. As some said above, I feel that the actual character motivation stuff was tacked on at the end, only because a transition was needed to the future we already know. Penguin and Riddler will turn back into nemeses for the GCPD and Batman, so they have a speech about feeling unappreciated. Bruce needs to go away for training to become Batman and there needs to be a rift with Selena, so out of the blue in this episode, he feels guilty and finally feels the need to leave Gotham and abandons Selena. Is Harvey retiring? They had the entire final season to work with and they barely touched on any of the human aspects of any of the characters. At this point, they're all just action figures shooting at each other and they've lost all humanity. As for the big climax, Bane was boring and Nyssa was the same lame-o Black Fairy she played as the parachuted-in final villain of "Once Upon a Time", complete with babynapping and gloating monologues. And seriously, the army guys (who I assumed were mind-controlled) finally realize that they're killing civilians and fellow law-enforcement and the overpowered Bane doesn't blast everyone away? It's hard to join in the kumbaya if it's so unbelievable. Meanwhile, Alfred, one of the key supporting characters, spends 90% of the final episode injured off-screen. Why would Bruce give the letter addressed to Selena to Harper of all people? I mean, can they at least write a story that flows naturally? Overall, this episode was decent as another weekly episode but it just wasn't satisfying as a series ender. I remember being so disappointed when I heard this final season would only have 12 episodes, but now I realize with sadness that it just didn't matter. Hopefully, next week, they can bring back some of the spark one last time.
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    OUAT vs. Other Fairy Tales: Compare & Contrast

    Wouldn't it be cool if the Tramp killed Lady's grandfather but it's all good because Lady is also not a true hero since she failed to keep a secret which got Rat's first love (the Siamese cats' sister) to be killed by the Siamese cats' mother who disapproved of the inter-species relationship and tried to kill Rat but killed her daughter instead.
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    S05.E06: The Bear And The Bow

    I wonder if the Writers' Room sat down to watch "Brave" together. I mean, if you're writing for a show like this, that would have made sense. Watch these movies they're adapting as a team and then discuss and brainstorm the movie's characters, and how they might connect with the show's characters. Or maybe it went like this... A&E: So... time to dredge out a new Disney character to bring onto the show but we've already used most of them. Writer 1: Pocahontas? The Hunchback of Notre Dame? A&E: B-o-r-i-n-g. Remember, we need to be dark but not bleak. Frozen was such a success for us, so I think we should do Brave. Now, what does everyone remember from that movie? Writer 2: There was a redhead. Writer 3: There was a bear, I think. Or a wolf. Writer 1: The movie was also called "Brave" so there's that. A&E: I think we have enough to work with!
  17. A&E are usually bored with the goody-two shoe characters, so I do think they got bored of writing for Robin. Heck, they hardly even know what to do with Snowing. It seemed like they couldn't use Robin Hood like they did Belle, who was basically a prop for Rumple. I'm surprised they didn't get tired of writing that merry-go-around of dupe-and-forgive (oops, I meant epic love story for the ages). Maybe it was easier to use Belle because at least the actors had some chemistry, though personally their scenes had left me cold by Rumple's betrayal in Season 4. The other thing was Regina herself was becoming a better person, and she didn't need Robin to keep her on that path. He served zero purpose.
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    S05.E05: Dreamcatcher

    Ah, thanks for the reminder that Arthur showed them the tree. I didn't rewatch that episode. Those missing scenes you inferred, with Emma realizing something was wrong with her parents, finding dreamcatchers to look up the history of Camelot, etc. Those scenes would have been more interesting (and satisfying) than some of the stuff we did see. They would have shown Emma being active, a hero we could cheer on as she made intelligent decisions and realizations. And yet time and time again, the Writers choose to skip the deductions for the sake of surprising the audience.
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    S05.E06: The Bear And The Bow

    From EW interview before 5A: In the article, A&E had to debunk theories that Merida was Rumple's mother or Merida was the daughter of Robin and Zelena. LOL. Right. So by family dynamic or "the Charming family", they are actually referring to Regina. Because they're sure as hell not talking about Emma and her parents, so in this case, he really shouldn't be saying they are focusing it "back on that family dynamic again". It might not be in the first five, but it might be! This is the sixth episode so I guess not. But they're "definitely" going to do it this season so I can't wait.
  20. It's interesting re-reading some of the old posts from Season 5 and by the fifth episode, many were tired of how the story was dragging its feet. It took five episodes for the main characters to get to Merlin, and then it took a break for the sixth with The Merida Hour (regularly scheduled programming will resume next week). If these pacing and planning problems were happening in a half-season arc, who thought it was a good idea for A&E to do a full-season arc for Season 6, which didn't even have a goal. At least in 5A, the point was for Emma to get rid of the Dark One-ness, and to find Merlin. In Season 6, it was direction-less from the start.
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    S05.E06: The Bear And The Bow

    How many episodes have they had where Belle's centric gets combined with another Disney princess' centric? In this case, it was hard to stomach either of them, so the episode was even more of a drag. This half-season reinforced that they no longer had any story left for Rumple or Belle. Their constant up and down had become tiresome, irritating, unconvincing, insulting and tedious.
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    S05.E06: The Bear And The Bow

    I wouldn't rewatch this if Merida had an arrow to my head.
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    S05.E05: Dreamcatcher

    That's a good point. The episode started with Emma just standing with the dreamcatcher, standing in front of the very tree Merlin was trapped in. Did she look at the memory once, and then walk around looking for the tree, or what? How did Emma happen upon the dreamcatcher showing Snowing being sanded by King Arthur? Did Arthur capture their memories using one by somehow wielding dark magic?
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    S05.E05: Dreamcatcher

    I thought Henry wanted to learn to sword fight because Violet's father didn't approve of him. Regina and Emma's "just be yourself" advice doesn't really help with that at all. It was clear Violet didn't mind that Henry wasn't a traditional Camelot knight-in-training. That must have happened. Emma wants a foolproof plan so she leaves Regina some time to recollect herself, while she went off and took a step to becoming the new Cora. Or Regina needed some time to whip up the rest of the ingredients to make an antidote for something she had never ever done before, so Emma had some time to get to Violet. Did Apparition Merlin never tell The Apprentice that he was tree-d using a spell with his tears and it would be *that* easy to free him? Or maybe instead of "Don't touch the sword", Usher Merlin should just have said "To free me from the tree, get the tears of lost love from someone post-break-up, and it doesn't matter who, even teenagers who met the day before!" I felt the same way as I wrote in my original post... I refuse to believe that Emma at that moment would have taken Violet's heart. There needed to be more of an explanation or trigger for why she decided to cross another moral line... for example, maybe if the frozen Snowing were in danger if Merlin wasn't found immediately or something. Knowing these Writers, they wrote the twist "What if Emma was JUST like Cora!" and focused on making sure we were surprised as the number one priority.
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