S08.E20: Drama’s for Nerds Part 1

[druzy]

All the girls head to LA to film specials and the reunion.

Kailyn and Briana finally come face to face.

Chelsea and Jenelle choose sides.

Leah is caught in the middle.

[Kazu]

Quote

All the girls head to LA to film specials and the reunion.

Kailyn and Briana finally come face to face.

Chelsea and Jenelle choose sides.

Leah is caught in the middle.

All the girls head to LA to film specials and the reunion or else face the wrath of not fulfilling their contracts.

Kanal and Spread Them Cheeks Briana finally come face to face. Well, more like Briana's face meets Kanal's fake big ol' titties because she is shorter than Hulk.

Chelsea watches out for the kids while Jenelle stirs up drama and sides with team Briana. Two hos in a pod. 

Leah is caught in the middle. Looking a lot like a deer in a deer cam image. She knows a lot about deer cams:

Edited May 12, 2018 by Kazu
Forgot the bolding

[druzy]

Thanks @Kazu for keeping it real! These girls are no shrinking violets- that's for sure. 

[ReadMeLattice]

Nooooo not another week of the "Leah is unnecessarily involved in the Kail/Bri triangle" thing. NOOOOO!

[Kazu]

5 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

Nooooo not another week of the "Leah is unnecessarily involved in the Kail/Bri triangle" thing. NOOOOO!

That should be the title of the episode.

6 minutes ago, druzy said:

Thanks @Kazu for keeping it real! These girls are no shrinking violets- that's for sure. 

THAT should be the new show title. Forget "Teen Mom".

[druzy]

6 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

Nooooo not another week of the "Leah is unnecessarily involved in the Kail/Bri triangle" thing. NOOOOO!

Unfortunately, that's probably Leah's storyline for the season so buckle up! ?

[FairyDusted]

Noooooooooooo! This is the thing now that they are mingling all over. Leah isn't so bright. She will roll with the majority.  

[BitterApple]

Chelsea and Jenelle choose sides? What the hell is this, a middle school catfight?

This episode description reads like the back of a Sweet Valley Twins novel. 

 

Edited May 12, 2018 by BitterApple

[FlowerofCarnage]

http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/90bdgi/teen-mom-2-sneak-peek-kailyn-wants-a-separate-room

You weren't worried about Soapy not having his vaccinations when you hopped on a plane with him to LA. Lol. 

[BitterApple]

He doesn't have his vaccinations and she brought him on an airplane?!! God, what a stupid fucking bitch. What good is having a private room gonna do now when the kid already spent five hours inhaling recycled germs? Not to mention, California's had several whooping cough outbreaks in recent years.

Edited May 12, 2018 by BitterApple

[MaddyMaeboxerbabe]

Dang kail’s voice...she orders people around and treats everyone as her private help.  Most of these girls have way too big of egos.   

[LBS]

Whoa...  who does she think she is?  That is crazy diva behavior!  I’d feel sorry for J.C and Larry but since they edit out the abuse* to Jenelle’s kids, I don’t care.

 

*not confirmed.  Just my opinion that those kids are being abused 

[Mkay]

2 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Chelsea and Jenelle choose sides? What the hell is this, a middle school catfight?

This episode description reads like the back of a Sweet Valley Twins novel. 

 

Bahahahahahaha Memories. I read every Sweet Valley Book.  So funny. 

1 hour ago, FlowerofCarnage said:

http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/90bdgi/teen-mom-2-sneak-peek-kailyn-wants-a-separate-room

You weren't worried about Soapy not having his vaccinations when you hopped on a plane with him to LA. Lol. 

Exactly. 

[guilfoyleatpp]

I thought Kailyn didn't vaccinate her kids ever and that's why they all went to private school?

[SheTalksShit]

I'm excited to see this infamous balloon-popping incident. Everything else, IDK if I'm gonna watch or not, I've lost some interest in the show after watching these girls's diva behavior and even though David sucks, I don't like that they fired him just because he said something offensive on Twitter, that's ridiculous - this show is supposed to be about these girls's lives and the other people in it - SO's, kids, etc. and David is her husband, so he's very much a part of her life. To not film him just because of some shit he said on Twitter is soooo stupid. I'm against people who play dirty like that, tbh. 

[Kazu]

4 minutes ago, SheTalksShit said:

I'm excited to see this infamous balloon-popping incident. Everything else, IDK if I'm gonna watch or not, I've lost some interest in the show after watching these girls's diva behavior and even though David sucks, I don't like that they fired him just because he said something offensive on Twitter, that's ridiculous - this show is supposed to be about these girls's lives and the other people in it - SO's, kids, etc. and David is her husband, so he's very much a part of her life. To not film him just because of some shit he said on Twitter is soooo stupid. I'm against people who play dirty like that, tbh. 

Posting "shit" is not comparable to posting homophobic slurs and referring to gay and transgender people as “abominations." It is despicable and worthy of repercussions. If an employee of any company were to comment or post such horrible things about ANY group of people while using slurs, they can't hide behind the freedom of speech. They face the consequences. When an employer feels that an employees actions or words are foul and vile and reflect badly on the company, they have every right to dismiss them.

What transpired is, David refused to apologize for his slurs. MTV wanted him to make amends. If he didn't, he left them no choice but to get rid of him especially after sponsors were removing themselves from MTV and Viacom. MTV & Viacom could not afford to lose sponsors as that is their bread and butter. That is why they tried the apology route, but David refused. That is his right. And it is MTVs right to fire him. Case closed.

[Kazu]

8 hours ago, BitterApple said:

He doesn't have his vaccinations and she brought him on an airplane?!! God, what a stupid fucking bitch. What good is having a private room gonna do now when the kid already spent five hours inhaling recycled germs? Not to mention, California's had several whooping cough outbreaks in recent years.

 

She also took him to Disneyland which has had issues regarding measles outbreak. Nor did she care about bringing random dicks and hos around her boys.

Edited May 13, 2018 by Kazu

[Witchz]

39 minutes ago, Kazu said:

Posting "shit" is not comparable to posting homophobic slurs and referring to gay and transgender people as “abominations." It is despicable and worthy of repercussions. If an employee of any company were to comment or post such horrible things about ANY group of people while using slurs, they can't hide behind the freedom of speech. They face the consequences. When an employer feels that an employees actions or words are foul and vile and reflect badly on the company, they have every right to dismiss them.

What transpired is, David refused to apologize for his slurs. MTV wanted him to make amends. If he didn't, he left them no choice but to get rid of him especially after sponsors were removing themselves from MTV and Viacom. MTV & Viacom could not afford to lose sponsors as that is their bread and butter. That is why they tried the apology route, but David refused. That is his right. And it is MTVs right to fire him. Case closed.

Yes but I agree with SheTalksShit- and the reason why is that while other companies will hold a person responsible for what they say they hold them responsible for what they do while at work. Example - saying homophobic slurs to another employee at work and or a customer etc.  As for what they do on their social media accounts? Not so much is done about it most of the time. Everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it is igorant or goes against the norm. Just like he is well within his right to tell his children whatever he wants regarding that matter and everyone else is within their rights to say and teach their children that it is not acceptable to think and or talk like he does.  

Everybody knows that MTV does not agree with his statements or behavior as well as the companies that took abuse for advertising during this show. The way it was handled was just more bad behavior - pushing one belief on others or else just like a bully would do. Two wrongs dont make a right- ever. 

[CaliforniaLove]

1 hour ago, SheTalksShit said:

I'm excited to see this infamous balloon-popping incident. Everything else, IDK if I'm gonna watch or not, I've lost some interest in the show after watching these girls's diva behavior and even though David sucks, I don't like that they fired him just because he said something offensive on Twitter, that's ridiculous - this show is supposed to be about these girls's lives and the other people in it - SO's, kids, etc. and David is her husband, so he's very much a part of her life. To not film him just because of some shit he said on Twitter is soooo stupid. I'm against people who play dirty like that, tbh. 

No words. 

[SheTalksShit]

I don’t like what David said at all but I am adult enough to separate my personal beliefs from the principal behind the matter and I am also adult enough to realize that people have different opinions. This is America, we have all different types of people and opinions, are we really  saying somebody shouldn’t have a job just bc we don’t agree w/what they say? It’s just weird, to me - I could understand not filming him anymore if he was just a minor cast member of the show, but he’s Jenelle’s husband and a big part of the show and her story, so it kinda defeats the whole purpose of this being a reality show when you take him out of it bc he is a big part of Jenelle’s reality. 

I don’t believe in fucking with somebody’s livelihood just bc what they say offends me, I don’t think that’s right, bc I’d hate it if somebody did that to me. 

50 minutes ago, Witchz said:

Yes but I agree with SheTalksShit- and the reason why is that while other companies will hold a person responsible for what they say they hold them responsible for what they do while at work. Example - saying homophobic slurs to another employee at work and or a customer etc.  As for what they do on their social media accounts? Not so much is done about it most of the time. Everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it is igorant or goes against the norm. Just like he is well within his right to tell his children whatever he wants regarding that matter and everyone else is within their rights to say and teach their children that it is not acceptable to think and or talk like he does.  

Everybody knows that MTV does not agree with his statements or behavior as well as the companies that took abuse for advertising during this show. The way it was handled was just more bad behavior - pushing one belief on others or else just like a bully would do. Two wrongs dont make a right- ever. 

Thank you. 

Edited May 13, 2018 by SheTalksShit

[Calm81]

6 hours ago, SheTalksShit said:

I don’t like what David said at all but I am adult enough to separate my personal beliefs from the principal behind the matter and I am also adult enough to realize that people have different opinions. This is America, we have all different types of people and opinions, are we really  saying somebody shouldn’t have a job just bc we don’t agree w/what they say? It’s just weird, to me - I could understand not filming him anymore if he was just a minor cast member of the show, but he’s Jenelle’s husband and a big part of the show and her story, so it kinda defeats the whole purpose of this being a reality show when you take him out of it bc he is a big part of Jenelle’s reality. 

I don’t believe in fucking with somebody’s livelihood just bc what they say offends me, I don’t think that’s right, bc I’d hate it if somebody did that to me. 

Thank you. 

David’s livelihood is the LAST thing I’m worried about when he’s an unapologetic homophobe that feels it’s okay to celebrate hate. He can have his own personal beliefs and opinions but he’s a public figure whether we like it or not and many eyes and ears read and hear his views. I wouldn’t want some 14 year old boy or girl that already feels lonely about who they choose to love reading David’s tweets about gays being an abomination for loving who they want to love. Fuck that!! 

And this show is about teen mothers, not new soul mates and how they feel about guns and homosexuality - so it has no relation to the job he was hired for.

And since we are big on “I’m adult enough” we can agree that the way David acts is childish and nothing adult about it. He’s scary and his cast mates don’t feel safe around him ...MTV has a right to fire him. I wouldn’t want my employer keep a colleague around that spews hatred on his social media then shows up for the company meeting fake smiling to his gay co-worker. 

[DangerousMinds]

The only thing MTV did wrong here was not firing Jenelle at the same time, IMO.

[leighroda]

My personal opinion is that social media is an extension of their workplace, so I would argue that it was done “at his workplace” (quotes because I hate referring what he does as working, not to be snarky to y’all). If it was a first offense I could see a warning being given (although what he said was disgusting and not tolerable in my opinion, but I get the whole freedom of speech piece of it) but he doubled down and became belligerent, if he was concerned with his livelihood he had plenty of chances to just shut up... even if he didn’t apologize, so if he’s not concerned about his livelihood why should I be? 

[guilfoyleatpp]

Here's my thing...and I don't want to belabor this point. What @Leighroda said. If he was concerned about his livelihood, he can STFU and apologize. But nooooo...everyone doubles down. 

If it's me and it's my job on the line? I'm apologizing and not arguing. 

Fortunately, I work for a non-profit that is very much in alignment with my personal beliefs and morals. I was just talking with some co-workers about how this is the only place I've ever worked where nothing about our mission or our processes rubs me wrong. It's so fucking awesome. I can't believe how lucky I am. 

ANYWAY...sorry. I'm into gratitude right now.

I absolutely want to know if someone is a homophobic/sexist/bigoted a-hole before I patronize their business. It's my money. It's my time. I want to leverage it for the most good. 

Oh damn, I just made an excellent argument for why I shouldn't be watching TM2. 

But they fired David, at least. #mitigated

[SPLAIN]

David, like many people, fail to understand what freedom of speech actually means. They think they are allowed to say what they want and to hell with whoever it offends. One can give their opinion on any topic you wish. You can tell the world you are a Nazi sympathizer, a racist, or you are homophobic. What our amendment for freedom of speech protects you from is being arrested for your words. It does not protect you from losing your job, it does not protect you from harm, it does not protect you from the backlash that will likely be thrown your way. If one is going to post on a PUBLIC FORUM their views about any particular group, they better be prepared to face the fallout that comes with it.  It is almost hysterical to think adult people think it is okay to post such views and that they aren't going to suffer the consequences. Growing up, if some kid ever called out someone using a slur, chances are their ass would have been beaten. That would have been the consequence. If they used a cuss word in class, their ass was grass. They would have faced the principal and then whatever punishment their parents would dole out at home. Life is all about consequences.

The public took their concerns to the advertisers. In turn, those advertisers took the initiative to remove themselves from the entity known as MTV because they didn't want their brand to be associated with someone who held such views. Far too many advertisers are not aware what is actually shown on these shows,. They are in the dark about what these people are putting out there on social media. They are informed when consumers bring it to their attention and they are told by these consumers their companies will be boycotted. Up until this point, MTV had not fired any other cast members due to their words or actions being the direct cause of jeopardizing sponsorship for the show.

My children have jobs that have made it clear that their social media pages are an extension of themselves. If they post anything that their companies feel is within their guidelines of what they consider inappropriate and offensive (hate speech, for example), they can lose their jobs.  Knowing that, if they do something that causes them to lose their job, that is on them. It is their consequence and they can point the finger at themselves. It is the times we live in and if people don't know that by now, they will when reality hits them hard. Plenty of people in this country have lost their jobs due to their postings on their social media pages. David is no different.

Slurs are more than just words that people do not like.

Edited May 14, 2018 by SPLAIN

[leighroda]

1 hour ago, SPLAIN said:

David, like many people, fail to understand what freedom of speech actually means. They think they are allowed to say what they want and to hell with whoever it offends. One can give their opinion on any topic you wish. You can tell the world you are a Nazi sympathizer, a racist, or you are homophobic. What our amendment for freedom of speech protects you from is being arrested for your words. It does not protect you from losing your job, it does not protect you from harm, it does not protect you from the backlash that will likely be thrown your way.

I agree and I actually meant to say this and forgot... at the end of the day his comments had consequences and it looks like Jenelle isn’t that far behind him.

[monicageller]

On 5/13/2018 at 7:41 AM, BitterApple said:

Chelsea and Jenelle choose sides? What the hell is this, a middle school catfight?

This episode description reads like the back of a Sweet Valley Twins novel. 

 

Best reference ever! Chelsea= Elizabeth (boring), Jenelle= Jessica (sociopath), Leah= Todd (dim, just wants to save whales/Kwhale).

[monagatuna]

On 5/13/2018 at 12:49 AM, SheTalksShit said:

I don’t like what David said at all but I am adult enough to separate my personal beliefs from the principal behind the matter and I am also adult enough to realize that people have different opinions. This is America, we have all different types of people and opinions, are we really  saying somebody shouldn’t have a job just bc we don’t agree w/what they say? It’s just weird, to me - I could understand not filming him anymore if he was just a minor cast member of the show, but he’s Jenelle’s husband and a big part of the show and her story, so it kinda defeats the whole purpose of this being a reality show when you take him out of it bc he is a big part of Jenelle’s reality. 

I don’t believe in fucking with somebody’s livelihood just bc what they say offends me, I don’t think that’s right, bc I’d hate it if somebody did that to me. 

 

 

In many parts of our great country, LGBT individuals do fear for their livelihoods because of simply their existence, so I have no problem with a little tit-for-tat. In a world where people still fear for their lives because they love someone of the same gender or are trans, I don't think it's too much for MTV to ask David to keep his grimy fingers off his keyboard when he wants to express his grimy thoughts.

 

Edit: apologies, I just saw the warning above. I'll keep it about the show from here on out.

Edited May 14, 2018 by monagatuna

[BitterApple]

9 hours ago, monicageller said:

Best reference ever! Chelsea= Elizabeth (boring), Jenelle= Jessica (sociopath), Leah= Todd (dim, just wants to save whales/Kwhale).

Lulz! Yep! And Kail would be a compilation of all the unattractive/dumpy/poor/unpopular characters Elizabeth took on as her personal charity cases or Jessica terrorized with fake offers of Unicorn Club membership. 

[Kazu]

On 5/12/2018 at 1:13 PM, druzy said:

Unfortunately, that's probably Leah's storyline for the season so buckle up! ?

I know she isn't at fault for what TPTB decide to air (just like Chelsea), but certainly there is more going on in her life. She keeps posting how "looooooonnnnnng" her days are.

[ReadMeLattice]

I used to work for a mainstream Christian company that produced curriculum for Christian families/churches. I'm not a Christian or religious at all, but I'm open-minded enough to work for a company that doesn't 100% fit my beliefs. I kept my mouth shut about my personal differences. Still, I was dating a girl at the time, and it would have been illegal for the company to fire me for that, as it's not related to the job itself.

That's the difference. I think David's issue wasn't just his political stance or personal life, but his outright threats of violence and use of universally recognized slurs. They also likely were tired of dealing with him at MTV events, frankly, and it was the last straw. It's not like he simply announced who he voted for or his religious views or who he was dating and then was fired...this is a lot different. He targeted specific groups of people that are recognized minorities. You can state your beliefs but you can't actually target specific groups of other people. There are boundaries and he crossed them.

Edited May 14, 2018 by Lm2162

[Kazu]

@Lm2162 well said. 

We all know the reason behind his removal. It is pretty obvious.

Edited May 14, 2018 by Kazu

[VioletNevermind]

Kail in those super-short black shorts when she was leaving to go to the studio . . . Lawd, honey.  No, no, no.  

Edited May 15, 2018 by SuzyLee
Forgot to mention her tattooed upper inner thighs. *shudder*

[guilfoyleatpp]

I’m only 12 minutes in and I have to run the bath for the boy, but the delicious...is it irony...in Jenelle talking about Doris supervising Kaiser at the reunion. 

Golly gee willikers. Could they be any fucking less self aware? 

Maybe it’s all a giant joke on the audience and this was planned? Re-enacted?

 

also, Kailyn thinks Briana “isn’t a good person.” Yikes. I don’t know where to start with that. 

[Brooklynista]

How the hell is Leah so skinny.? Damn! I cannot even mask my jealousy.

[Emkat]

I CAN'T with Briana in that Misfits shirt.  

I will eat my hat if she knows anything about them at all.

[Brooklynista]

If Kail knows her baby is an unvaccinated disease carrier that needs to be secluded, why did she bring him and put the other babies at risk? 

Edited May 15, 2018 by Brooklynista

[VioletNevermind]

Holy shit, Catelynn’s weight has ballooned.  I knew from the OG reunion that she’d gained a good bit of weight, but just to see her walking around in those gold lamé pants and the way-way-way-too-small black shirt was visually jarring.  Poor girl.  She’s way too young to be that out of control.  I think all of these girls need a reality check.  If they think they have real problems that the rest of the commoners have, they’re kidding themselves.  

[Emkat]

Hahahaha there's the balloon popping!!!

[TexasGal]

Ugh David, the spotted oaf.  Big man, popping balloons because they won’t give you more beer.

What the heck was Leah collecting on the table when she was talking to Briana?

Edited May 15, 2018 by TexasGal

[guilfoyleatpp]

Briana’s eye makeup looks fucking awesome! Seriously. 

But these girls aren’t skilled enough for the level of calculated, surgically precise drama darts Briana can bring. Dayum. 

[CaliforniaLove]

So now we know why the coven is always together...safety in numbers! And LEAVE LEAH ALONE!!

That David is something else, huh? "Get over here if you had a baby when you were 14!". All class & charm...his wife too! 

[guilfoyleatpp]

Kailyn doesn’t seem too scared of Brittany. Hmmm. 

[Linny]

So many unintentional comedic gems in this one, I laughed out loud several times. My highlights:

--Jenelle calling out Kail's perpetual bad attitude (not that Jenelle has any room to talk, but she ain't wrong, either.)

--Leah claiming loyalty to Kail because Kail came to Leah's wedding, then admitting her wedding didn't mean shit.

--Gracie immediately excusing herself to go to bed when Leah began rehashing the Briana/Javi drama.

--Larry's sarcastic "well this is fun" while managing Kail's demands. You just know he asks himself everyday just how the fuck he came to be in charge of wrangling these over-inflated egos.

--Brittany calling out how fucking thirsty Javi is, because YES. Hitting up Briana in her hotel room as she's feeding her infant because you want her to come out with you, Javi, really??

--Roxanne, proving a stopped clock is right twice a day, rightfully pointing out Kail's rudeness at sharing a dressing room with Briana. Eat shit, Kail, and get over yourself.

Honestly, these girls may be masters at petty bickering and hostile attitudes, but I prefer this dynamic rather than the touchy-feely sisterhood of the TM OG cast. The OG girls always seem too varnished to be real, but the TM2 girls are fully aware that they are separate cast members of a tv show, nothing more. And I think a lot of animosity is driven by Briana's addition to the show, because that move made it clear that any of these girls are expendable and replaceable. These girls are fighting not just for dominance in the clique but for survival on the show, where they all want to be the biggest star with the biggest piece of the pie.

[woodscommaelle]

On 5/12/2018 at 4:15 PM, MaddyMaeboxerbabe said:

Most of these girls have way big asses.

Fixed your post.

Edited May 15, 2018 by woodscommaelle

[FlowerofCarnage]

Can Hulk stop bitching about Soapy not having his vaccinations when she willing had him sitting on a flying petri dish for 5 hours. And I don't believe for one second that Soapy cried for an hour so she just had to leave.  Kail conspired with Bone to find a  legitimate  reason for Kail to get out of filming that NYE special.

You sure you want it with the Coven, Kail? Looks like they were about to form Racket Voltron and vanquish  your  very Robeast-looking ass. Lol 

I have to say, I enjoy seeing Javi and Briana stir up drama for a storyline and Kail feeding into it.  Oh, and Kail, you aren't a good person  either and you really aren't any better than Briana.

David+alcohol +small space packed with people = disaster. I see why the bar cut him off.  

Forget the drama at the reunion! What about all the drama he is exposed to on Land,  Jenelle?

Edited May 15, 2018 by FlowerofCarnage

[eskimo]

Briana sucks so bad.  I just really hate her. 

[jumper sage]

On 5/12/2018 at 5:41 PM, BitterApple said:

Chelsea and Jenelle choose sides? What the hell is this, a middle school catfight?

This episode description reads like the back of a Sweet Valley Twins novel. 

 

OMG!  10 points for literature from the days of yore.

9 minutes ago, FlowerofCarnage said:

Kail conspired with Bone to find a  legitimate  reason for Kail to get out of filming that NYE special.

NYE?  New Years Eve?  Why am I thinking of Ross and Monica doing the Dick Clark special and having it filmed on another day?  Oh sooooo good then.

I liked this special.  I didn't think I would but I found it well put together.

Shout outs to Randy, Jo, Barb and the OG gang.

[leighroda]

Can I just say I’m here for this Jenelle/Briana alliance (it’s currently going on mostly on twitter, not so much the show) because when it blows up, and it WILL blow up, it is not going to go down quietly, and as long as the kids aren’t involved I’m gonna have popcorn ready.

[ClassyCourtHeels]

The look on the guy's face behind the cameraman after David went stabby on the balloons was hilarious. 

 

Also love how all the cast absolutely loves Barb and she loves them. Besides her swamp daughter. Probably also plays a huge part in her resentment towards Barb. 

Edited May 15, 2018 by ClassyCourtHeels