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ShellyB
ShellyB

Thanks for your kind words. The cut was surprising, to say the least. I’m not going to battle screen names with no personal connections to DCC on a message board. Dayton is a beautiful girl and talent

Kate2006
Kate2006

Tara showed so much class and grace when she said she was not going to say goodbye because she was planning on going to the games to watch her former team mates. Now THAT is someone you want on your t

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sugarplum

Looks to me just like the locker room pictures we see every year. She’s standing in her locker, her family jumps in a picture with her. I see nothing scandalous about it. Every year girls post picture

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SimplePleasures

SimplePleasures

58 minutes ago, scorpio1031 said:

Dear Mr and Mrs Kalina - if all of this is true, please send your daughter to an out of state college.  Let her do what she wants.  Let her eat what she wants.  Let her make friends who don't give a flying fig about the DCC.  Let her discover other interests.  Let her realize that she has to fight for what she wants amongst all the other pretty girls, all the other talented dancers.  Let her find herself.

Yours truly,

Someone who needs to find a life:/

Other than a few stipper pole comments, I've not had much to say one way or the other about Victoria.  But my really super keen, laser-focused, never-has-it-let-me-down, woman's intuition is telling me Victoria sabotaged her chances intentionally.  All her life she's been groomed to the DCC life and now that she's entering young adulthood, she's realizing it's not what she wants but yet is afraid to stand up for herself short of what we watched with the weight gain and lying.  I suspect Victoria is getting fit for Victoria.  I don't think she'll try out again.

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MTTFan

MTTFan

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17 minutes ago, SmpIsimon said:

Apparently the fact that VK is featured so heavily and is used in almost all the CMT social media promos has gone to TK’s head, making her think her little girl might be worthy of more than just being a DCC.  SMH

Ahhh another Kris Kardashian in the making.  Does she know that a sex tape, sex change, and a murder trial was what brought the family infamy?

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TexasBorn

TexasBorn

12 minutes ago, SimplePleasures said:

Other than a few stipper pole comments, I've not had much to say one way or the other about Victoria.  But my really super keen, laser-focused, never-has-it-let-me-down, woman's intuition is telling me Victoria sabotaged her chances intentionally.  All her life she's been groomed to the DCC life and now that she's entering young adulthood, she's realizing it's not what she wants but yet is afraid to stand up for herself short of what we watched with the weight gain and lying.  I suspect Victoria is getting fit for Victoria.  I don't think she'll try out again.

Let us all hold our virtual hands and pray to the almighty g that this will come to fruition ... Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya ...

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SmpIsimon

SmpIsimon

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19 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

Why didn't she go?

Because in Texas, being a DCC is considered the best thing a woman can do with her life, including going to college. You’ll recall that VK opted to attend the local community college so as not to interfere with her path to becoming a DCC. It’s a shame parents there don’t push education harder when it comes to their daughters. 

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Pebbles116

Pebbles116

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15 minutes ago, SmpIsimon said:

Because in Texas, being a DCC is considered the best thing a woman can do with her life, including going to college. You’ll recall that VK opted to attend the local community college so as not to interfere with her path to becoming a DCC. It’s a shame parents there don’t push education harder when it comes to their daughters. 

As a university professor in Dallas, I feel this is 100% inaccurate. This might be true for people who want to pursue the arts like dance as a profession (i.e. Dayton and VK), but the statement that "being a DCC is considered the best thing a woman can do with her life, including going to college" is completely false for the majority of people, especially women.

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ShellyB

ShellyB

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10 minutes ago, Pebbles116 said:

As a university professor in Dallas, I feel this is 100% inaccurate. This might be true for people who want to pursue the arts like dance as a profession (i.e. Dayton and VK), but the statement that "being a DCC is considered the best thing a woman can do with her life, including going to college" is completely false for the majority of people, especially women.

You are spot on. Dayton is majoring in journalism and has a year left of school. We’ve supported dancing as long as she got a degree. Victoria is technically a sophomore in college, due to credits earned in high school. Her oldest brother graduated from UT and her other brother is in college, so I would imagine her parents expect all three kids to earn a degree. 

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MTTFan

MTTFan

2 minutes ago, ShellyB said:

You are spot on. Dayton is majoring in journalism and has a year left of school. We’ve supported dancing as long as she got a degree. Victoria is technically a sophomore in college due to credits earned in high school. Her oldest brother graduated from UT and her other brother is in college, so I would imagine her parents are expect all three kids to earn a degree. 

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Live the dream, but have a backup plan.  Excellent advice.

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ladybug525

ladybug525

7 hours ago, MyFavShows said:

And I really don’t think advice on eating more salads and rice cakes from a woman who’s weighed 90 pounds her entire life is the magic bullet for helping an 18 year old girl who’s struggling w/ her weight for possibly the first time in her life.  Is she even a nutritionist?   “I’m thin and you’re not, so you need to eat like me” is not some earthshattering advice, and it might not even work.  At least Jay has credentials w/ what he does.

i highly doubt that jinelles advice is to eat rice cakes. she may not be a nutritionist but she is very outspoken about her love for healthy foods, fresh veggies and healthy fats. she has said she treats food as fuel for her body and i guarantee she knows very well how to eat properly to sustain energy during long practices and 4 hour games without unnecessary added calories or chemicals. i think she would be a great asset on the road to a healthy lifestyle and kelli and judy know that too which is why they asked her to help Victoria. As much as kelli loves v.k. i dont think for a second she would put her in less than capable hands when it comes to whatever she thinks it would help Victoria become a dcc. If v.k. had put 100% effort into letting jinelle guide her i think she would have had favorable results. 

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Tuxcat

Tuxcat

28 minutes ago, ladybug525 said:

i highly doubt that jinelles advice is to eat rice cakes. she may not be a nutritionist but she is very outspoken about her love for healthy foods, fresh veggies and healthy fats. she has said she treats food as fuel for her body and i guarantee she knows very well how to eat properly to sustain energy during long practices and 4 hour games without unnecessary added calories or chemicals. i think she would be a great asset on the road to a healthy lifestyle and kelli and judy know that too which is why they asked her to help Victoria. As much as kelli loves v.k. i dont think for a second she would put her in less than capable hands when it comes to whatever she thinks it would help Victoria become a dcc. If v.k. had put 100% effort into letting jinelle guide her i think she would have had favorable results. 

The science behind why some people have weight problems vs. others is light years ahead of what is out in the public domain. Even medical practitioners are still treating these issues as a will power problem. People have both genetic and biological reasons for being overweight and very often cannot simply just change their habits with the guidance from someone who says "eat clean, eat fresh veggies." It is not that simple and it is not a one size fits all in terms of treatment.  VK likely crash dieted to get ready for auditions but her set point weight was higher and her body reverted. Extremely common. The battle will be lifelong and will need constant vigilant monitoring from a variety of angles. A skinny bird on her shoulder who does not have the understanding for what it means to battle and change biology, will not be helpful. In fact it likely made the shame of this process even worse. The social stigma, as evidenced even on this forum, is so unnecessary.  Years ago, people were blamed for getting cancer too.

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UnicornSparkles

UnicornSparkles

12 hours ago, MyFavShows said:

Dayton’s memory issues when they made that group of them dance that combo by themselves and w/ no mirror totally convinced me that she needed cut.  She was clueless and was even trying to look to the side of her to figure out what to do.  That would be very risky for them to put someone like that on the squad.    It’s a way bigger problem that someone having bad technique or not being powerful.  A dancer not knowing the dance and trying to watch others is the worst in a live performance - it’s actually even worse than making mistakes as long as there is confidence and performance quality behind the mistakes.

Plus they had just run the dance in their bigger group where she had the mirror - so it’s not like it was a combo they hadn’t done for weeks - the first run should have been enough for her to remember the sequence.  I know Malena was messing up too, but she hasn’t had as much training and she still wasn’t trying to watch others as bad.

I know no one wants to hear this, but Dayton’s belly looked kind of puffy in that scene as well.  I know VK is worse, but it’s not like Dayton has washboard abs either...

Problem with this theory is editing.  Nobody knows what order the events took place in.  For example, the group they showed Dayton in could have been a quick run through.  Then they moved around the order of events.  Also how many times have girls had memory issues or trouble picking up choreo and were given extra chances?  The answer is many!

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UnicornSparkles

UnicornSparkles

11 hours ago, MyFavShows said:

Those two examples - Grace and Liz - were both given lots of time and resources (Jay, etc.) to get the weight off.   So they deserved the time but VK doesn’t? 

I'm confused by your thought process of VK deserving more time but not Dayton.  I know we all are entitled to our opinions, and maybe I'm the one seeing things jaded.  However, on what planet is VK more DCC ready than Dayton?  Weight is a glaringly obvious issue.  Nobody wants to see a jiggly cheerleader.

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UnicornSparkles

UnicornSparkles

9 hours ago, scorpio1031 said:

Totally off topic here - Kim Kardashian was doing her mom's makeup on the show.  She asked her what she wanted and her mom said "perfect skin and nude lip" so maybe it's the trend.  I myself love eye makeup so I tend to do up my eyes and just wear lip balm.  Even though my grandmother always told me to carry my "lipstick and my powder" :)

I agree, I love makeup and I go with my eyes done and a bare lip because otherwise it is too much.  As far as acceptable makeup for the day time, I wear eyeliner and mascara, my shadow choices are lighter than something for evening.  For context, I work in a professional business office where a suit is my daily attire.

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ladybug525

ladybug525

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52 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:
1 hour ago, ladybug525 said:

 

The science behind why some people have weight problems vs. others is light years ahead of what is out in the public domain. Even medical practitioners are still treating these issues as a will power problem. People have both genetic and biological reasons for being overweight and very often cannot simply just change their habits with the guidance from someone who says "eat clean, eat fresh veggies." It is not that simple and it is not a one size fits all in terms of treatment.  VK likely crash dieted to get ready for auditions but her set point weight was higher and her body reverted. Extremely common. The battle will be lifelong and will need constant vigilant monitoring from a variety of angles. A skinny bird on her shoulder who does not have the understanding for what it means to battle and change biology, will not be helpful. In fact it likely made the shame of this process even worse. The social stigma, as evidenced even on this forum, is so unnecessary.  Years ago, people were blamed for getting cancer too.

yeah i understand all that. but my point was not aimed toward whether or not victoria can lose the weight, i was responding to the debate people were having over whether jinelle was qualified enough to try to help Victoria or if having jinelle help her was not doing enough toward helping her. so i was pointing out that in general, for anybody needing guidance toward healthier habits jinelle was a good choice for advice and guidance on that subject, and that kelli having jinelle help victoria was real effort into trying to get v.k. into shape.

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rose711

rose711

1 hour ago, Stee said:

Imagine if Victoria tried out in Season 6. Imagine if Cassie had called out Victoria on her lies and bs instead of Taylor.  Now THAT would be a legacy season!!!

I never understood that scene or interaction. That’s the only time they’ve shown girls criticizing others in front of the team and Judy and Kelli. I thought it was created for drama in the show.

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PrincessLeia

PrincessLeia

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7 hours ago, SmpIsimon said:

Because in Texas, being a DCC is considered the best thing a woman can do with her life, including going to college. You’ll recall that VK opted to attend the local community college so as not to interfere with her path to becoming a DCC. It’s a shame parents there don’t push education harder when it comes to their daughters. 

 

Sorry, but this just isn’t true. Just because two girls may have decided to forego college or a specific college to be a DCC doesn’t mean this is how all or most parents in Texas feel. Most parents do push education... in fact we talk about college even when our kids are in elementary school. We pay thousands of dollars a year for our kids to go to private school so they can get a better education. Or we move so our kids can go to the best public schools. No one ever mentions their hopes and dreams that their daughter becomes a DCC. ?

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PrincessLeia

PrincessLeia

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19 minutes ago, ShellyB said:

If your talking about D & V....you’re incorrect. Dayton is a year way from earning her degree and Victoria is a sophmore. 

I’m talking about @SmpIsimon‘s assumptions.... I have no idea what Victoria and Dayton are doing college wise, or if they turned down offers to TCU and Arizona. That poster is assuming they gave up those colleges for DCC, my comment was about the bold quote that all parents in Texas don’t stress education on their daughters bc we all want them to be DCC.

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ShellyB

ShellyB

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1 hour ago, PrincessLeia said:

I’m talking about @SmpIsimon‘s assumptions.... I have no idea what Victoria and Dayton are doing college wise, or if they turned down offers to TCU and Arizona. That poster is assuming they gave up those colleges for DCC, my comment was about the bold quote that all parents in Texas don’t stress education on their daughters bc we all want them to be DCC.

 

Thanks for clarifying. Not all kids are cut out for college/or can afford it but, I feel that most parents push for higher ed...who doesn’t want want their kids to do more, see more than they did? I’d love for all 3 of mine to have Masters and beyond, 2 out of 3 will most likely do so. And...you know what they say about assuming??

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MyFavShows

MyFavShows

6 hours ago, UnicornSparkles said:

I'm confused by your thought process of VK deserving more time but not Dayton.  I know we all are entitled to our opinions, and maybe I'm the one seeing things jaded.  However, on what planet is VK more DCC ready than Dayton?  Weight is a glaringly obvious issue.  Nobody wants to see a jiggly cheerleader.

Dayton wasn’t cut for weight - those were all people who they liked for the squad but only had weight to lose.

More time isn’t going to give Dayton the ability to remember choreography w/o watching others (what she was cut for) - especially for someone who has danced their whole life - maybe if they only did those 11 dances and it was just a case of remembering them, but not when they have a lot more new dances to learn on top of those 11.

If they felt Dayton looked heavy and that was her only issue, then of course she should have been given more time.  They’ve never said anything about her weight on the show. 

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ShellyB

ShellyB

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53 minutes ago, SmpIsimon said:

I acknowledged in my post that VK went to college, just a local community college. 

Yes, you did, but you also answered a question about not going to Arizona. You stated that “in Texas, being a DCC is considered the best thing a girl can do with her life, including going to college”...and “it’s a shame parents there don’t push education harder when it comes to their daughters.” Huge assumption.

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MyFavShows

MyFavShows

6 hours ago, UnicornSparkles said:

Problem with this theory is editing.  Nobody knows what order the events took place in.  For example, the group they showed Dayton in could have been a quick run through.  Then they moved around the order of events.  Also how many times have girls had memory issues or trouble picking up choreo and were given extra chances?  The answer is many!

It seemed clear that they were doing exactly what Kelli and Judy had said - “do the dance again facing away from the mirror”.    Dancing not facing the mirror is something most studios do when it’s getting close to performance time to make sure the dancers aren’t relying on the mirror to watch others and do the correct moves - it’s a true test of how well they know it and how it will look on stage.

I don’t think they’d do a run through away from the mirror and then perform it facing the mirror.    It would be like going on stage to do a run through, and then coming off stage to do it full out in the hall.

I just do not think that part was edited.  

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tinabee1967

tinabee1967

1 minute ago, ShellyB said:

Yes, you did, but you also answered a question about not going to Arizona. You alluded to the fact that “in Texas, being a DCC is considered the best thing a girl can do with her life, including going to college”...and “it’s a shame parents there don’t push education harder when it comes to their daughters.” Huge 

53 minutes ago, SmpIsimon said:

I acknowledged in my post that VK went to college, just a local community college. 

 

Nothing wrong with community colleges. There are many very fine ones available that can springboard students to successful careers. The stigma surrounding them needs to GO.

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SmpIsimon

SmpIsimon

7 minutes ago, ShellyB said:

Yes, you did, but you also answered a question about not going to Arizona. You stated that “in Texas, being a DCC is considered the best thing a girl can do with her life, including going to college”...and “it’s a shame parents there don’t push education harder when it comes to their daughters.” Huge assumption.

Where did Dayton choose to go over Arizona?

MyFavShows

MyFavShows

5 minutes ago, tinabee1967 said:

If anything, it was said that Dayton looked great during her uniform fitting. Her body size seemed to stay pretty stable during the time she was on the show.

If you watch the Nick Flores footage, her belly looked puffy.   At uniform fittings it was flatter.  They didn’t call her out for it though, so don’t think it was why she was cut.

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ShellyB

ShellyB

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6 hours ago, tinabee1967 said:

Nothing wrong with community colleges. There are many very fine ones available that can springboard students to successful careers. The stigma surrounding them needs to GO.

And several around DFW have direct relationship, automatic acceptance and scholarships to SMU, DBU and TCU. Sometimes it’s financial and just makes sense to get basics out of the way at 1/3 of the cost. 

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MyFavShows

MyFavShows

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7 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

The science behind why some people have weight problems vs. others is light years ahead of what is out in the public domain. Even medical practitioners are still treating these issues as a will power problem. People have both genetic and biological reasons for being overweight and very often cannot simply just change their habits with the guidance from someone who says "eat clean, eat fresh veggies." It is not that simple and it is not a one size fits all in terms of treatment.  VK likely crash dieted to get ready for auditions but her set point weight was higher and her body reverted. Extremely common. The battle will be lifelong and will need constant vigilant monitoring from a variety of angles. A skinny bird on her shoulder who does not have the understanding for what it means to battle and change biology, will not be helpful. In fact it likely made the shame of this process even worse. The social stigma, as evidenced even on this forum, is so unnecessary.  Years ago, people were blamed for getting cancer too.

I agree.  Probably half that room can have as many milkshakes and burgers as they want and still look perfect for the uniform.   It’s her genetics.

I watched that scene w/ her and Jinelle in the office again and I almost wonder if VK felt embarrassed/humiliated to be sitting there being told about her weight next to this totally skinny tiny lady looking down on her.   At least give her someone with a similar body type to mentor her.  Brooke Sorenson or someone like that would be a lot more appropriate.

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SmpIsimon

SmpIsimon

Just now, ShellyB said:

Not sure why that would matter to you. What really matters is that she’s been in school and will finish when she returns. 

It just seemed relevant to your point that I’d mistakenly assumed she gave up a great opportunity at Arizona (which is a great school) for something inferior near home.

Regardless, I apologize if I offended you  

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MyFavShows

MyFavShows

4 hours ago, LisaWl7TR said:

So VK lied to Kelly but it seems she plans to try out again.  I don't think any other TCC would not be invited back after lying to Kelly. 

I’m sure lots of girls have lied to Kelli and Judy about minor things and been invited back.  I’m sure like w/ anything, it’s the degree, magnitude and consequences of the lie that matter most.

For example, when Kristen and Dayton were late to makeovers, and they said they were pulled over by the cops.  What if one of them really wasn’t pulled over, but just was late for usual lateness reasons?   Do you think Kelli would ban them forever for lying over that?   I don’t.  Not if she thought they killed it at auditions and would be a great squad member.

ShellyB

ShellyB

1 minute ago, SmpIsimon said:

It just seemed relevant to your point that I’d mistakenly assumed she gave up a great opportunity at Arizona (which is a great school) for something inferior near home.

Regardless, I apologize if I offended you  

Well, she only walked away from AZ because of the cost...not DCC, it wasn’t on her mind at the time. Her college fund would have been depleted in 1 year and we would still be adding to the pot. 

I’m offended at the assumption that the girls forgo an education for DCC. Probably very true 15+ years ago. But the last few years, a majority of the team has either been currently attending or had already graduated. This year is the most degreed squad yet. Only a couple are still working towards degrees. 

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SmpIsimon

SmpIsimon

3 minutes ago, MyFavShows said:

I’m sure lots of girls have lied to Kelli and Judy about minor things and been invited back.  I’m sure like w/ anything, it’s the degree, magnitude and consequences of the lie that matter most.

For example, when Kristen and Dayton were late to makeovers, and they said they were pulled over by the cops.  What if one of them really wasn’t pulled over, but just was late for usual lateness reasons?   Do you think Kelli would ban them forever for lying over that?   I don’t.  Not if she thought they killed it at auditions and would be a great squad member.

Big difference.  It's one thing to lie to cover up something you did that was wrong (i.e., being late), it's an entirely different thing to lie to cover up your failure to do something that would have been good (more specifically, something that was necessary to stay in training camp -- like "go see these folks to help you").  The first is bad, but kinda understandable; the second shows a level of immaturity and entitlement that is hard to fathom (to me at least).

1 minute ago, ShellyB said:

Well, she only walked away from AZ because of the cost...not DCC, it wasn’t on her mind at the time. Her college fund would have been depleted in 1 year and we would still be adding to the pot. 

I’m offended at the assumption that the girls forgo an education for DCC. Probably very true 15+ years ago. But the last few years, a majority of the team has either been currently attending or had already graduated. This year is the most degreed squad yet. Only a couple are still working towards degrees. 

You're right, and I apologize.  I have lived in the South and I saw a number of intelligent young women give up on good colleges or other good opportunities to pursue things like dance, modeling, pageants, etc.  But I'm sure you're right that things have changed and, in any event, it's none of my business.  I apologize again.

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Hummingbird24

Hummingbird24

On 9/20/2018 at 10:12 PM, pizzaandcatsrlife said:

Kelli’s bitchery was at a 10 tonight with Tara. 

 

I loved it 

She was very bitchy to Tara. Tara did look pretty bad, but she also looked hot and sweaty as well. 

 Victoria's hair always looks like a tangled mess and she doesn't say shit to her.

I felt like there was an undercurrent of something else Kelli was pissed about.

also, I noticed when they were dancing at the nursing home, Vic was dancing directly in front of whoever was in the 2nd row instead of windowing. She really doesn't have spatial awareness to have been dancing her whole life.

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Tuxcat

Tuxcat

Just throwing this out there regarding editing. I've been re- watching all the earlier seasons. By week 5 most of the TCC are still a mess and forgetting choreo and looking awkward. Judy is yelling at all of them frequently. So the fact that Dayton could have overcome the memory mistakes is valid. It was only week 5 when she was cut.

Maybe I don't understand the reason for making early cuts. They kept saying "we have to cut someone." Why do they have to cut at week 5 If they all have potential. 

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bigskygirl

bigskygirl

There is a big difference in my opinion about saying I was pulled over by law enforcement for a tail light being out or speeding and saying I have a thyroid condition leading to a weight gain and refusing to seek help from a former DCC Kelli ask you to seek help from and saying you went and saw the Cowboys doctor when obviously you did not especially when Kelli sat up the appointment and the doctor took time from his very busy schedule to see you in the first place. And poor Victoria had to be in the same room with Jinelle because Jinelle is petite. Should Judy be in the same room since she looks absolutely amazing and fit at the age of 60. Heck take her out of the room when Shelly walks in too because she looks amazing also, and do not let her sit next to the veterans and TC Candidates who are petite and tiny because it is unfair and might hurt her feelings.

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