S10.E06: Grief and Relief

[KungFuBunny]

5 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Sonja let’s be real you DO NOT HAVE a housekeeper lol 

I see a new set of people suing Sonja in her future.

How is she going to swindle them into putting the money up front for the renovations?

[Mindthinkr]

I hope Dorinda has a secret supply of booze for her trip. If she goes into DT’s then Bethenny is going to have a bigger issue than all the people needing relief. She’s a liability. 

[JD5166]

Oh boy, I may quit drinking, I feel like I might be like this (which isn’t why I refuse to go out with new co-workers). 

[Keywestclubkid]

The land of delusion that Sonja lives in most people need pills to achieve good god lol

[farmgal4]

An alcoholic always tries to justify their drinking, or at least I did.

[nexxie]

Dorinda does seem to have a serious drinking problem.

[QuinnM]

14 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Bethenny should have pulled her aside right then and there and told her to get a handle on i

Yah, no, this isn’t Bethenny’s problem.  Dorinda should stop being a drunk.  Everyone around her isn’t the problem.  Dorinda is the problem.  She is a drunk.  Stop it people.  Drunks are the problem.  They are drunks because that is what they choose not because Bethenny didn’t handle it right.

[nexxie]

Intense talk - but good.

Edited May 10, 2018 by nexxie

[Neurochick]

2 minutes ago, JD5166 said:

Oh boy, I may quit drinking, I feel like I might be like this (which isn’t why I refuse to go out with new co-workers). 

Dorinda's making every excuse in the world now.  She can't admit that maybe she has a problem with alcohol.  If a person changes like Dorinda did when they drink, then maybe they shouldn't drink.  I think Dorinda really misses her husband and maybe she's drinking so much because she hasn't been able to accept that loss.

[ryebread]

Dorinda, dear:  comparing grief is so...nineteen-eighty last episode.

[noveltylibrary]

It was good to see Dorinda spill her guts.  I hope life gets happier for her.

[whydoievencare]

2 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Intense talk - but good.

I thought so too.  I also thought Bethenny was direct with Dorinda but kind.

[QuinnM]

Ohhhhh, fascinating.  I see a whole new angle to the ‘you’re always so aggressive’ remark from Carole.  This is why I don’t trust those pre-season teasers.

[Neurochick]

I wonder if the real reason Bethenny had to take Dorinda to Puerto Rico, even though Dorinda acted like a crazy, mean drunk, is because the "storyline" was that Bethenny had to take one of the housewives to Puerto Rico.  She should have taken Carole.

[KungFuBunny]

5 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

Yah, no, this isn’t Bethenny’s problem.  Dorinda should stop being a drunk.  Everyone around her isn’t the problem.  Dorinda is the problem.  She is a drunk.  Stop it people.  Drunks are the problem.  They are drunks because that is what they choose not because Bethenny didn’t handle it right.

I didn't say it was Bethenny's problem. Bethenny has seen this spiral downward on many occasions.

She knew where this would go - to avoid ruining her meeting with her partners, she could have pulled Dorinda aside and said I think you had too much to drink, why don;t you go up to your room and order room service. I'll talk to you in the morning.

[Keywestclubkid]

13 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

I see a new set of people suing Sonja in her future.

How is she going to swindle them into putting the money up front for the renovations?

Is she really having The girls help her paint her place in the preview? How broke is this woman really 

[pieinmyeye]

50 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

That was an unusual request to get your eggs done two ways but not have them touching Carole. 

Not to mention her asking how they could be cooked! There are only so many ways of cooking a damn egg!

58 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

I’m in my pjs.  Anyone want to meet me in a restaurant?  I wanna order 7 eggs made 7 different ways.

And I bet you don’t want any of them to touch.

[QuinnM]

25 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Bethenny should have pulled her aside right then and there and told her to get a handle on it.

I’m saying I disagree with this.  Bethenny has no responsibility to do anything.  If Bethenny wants she can just walk away and let Dorinda drink herself to death.  This is not Bethenny’s problem.  She should have put Dorinda on a plane back to NYC.  But unfortunately she cares.  So she’s trying .  And she is doing a better job than most of us would do under similar circumstances.  That is how I know that her mother is a drunk.  Bethenny has practice in this.  And douche bag that Jason was, he was not a a drunk.  So the only person that she learned how to handle a drunk from, is her mother.

[Gem 10]

Sonja should consentrate on cleaning up her house instead of worrying about lunches with the girls.  Flirting with the gay photographer was gross.  Who acts like that?   Dorinda unraveling in Puerto Rico was bad. Money can't buy you class and happiness, that's for sure.  To me, Carole is still annoying.  She has something to say about everyone, and then laughs.  I give Bethenny credit for telling Dorinda she's a drunk.  She says it like it is.  Carole is really pissed that she wasn't asked to go to Puerto Rico.  That's a real chop on her.  

[retiredviewer]

Sonja Morgan is out of her mind.That is all.

[archer1267]

57 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

I noticed that even if Sonja’s elevator is inspected every year, she still took the realtor up the stairs! 

And I noticed that she didn't say *who* inspected it. "I have it inspected" could consist of Sonja taking it for a ride without incident. 

Wasn't she stockpiling Wesson cooking oil in her basement a few seasons ago? Maybe that could be a housewarming present for new tenants.

[ryebread]

8 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

I wonder if the real reason Bethenny had to take Dorinda to Puerto Rico, even though Dorinda acted like a crazy, mean drunk, is because the "storyline" was that Bethenny had to take one of the housewives to Puerto Rico.  She should have taken Carole.

Had they still been friends, Carole would be the logical choice.  Although, if it was required Beth take someone, Lu seems capable.  She's strong and doesn't seem to mind getting her hands dirty. Plus, she's got a nursing background which I imagine might've been helpful.

[FairyDusted]

Great point @ryebread! Lu would have been perfect. First she needs to give Victoria a brush.

[KungFuBunny]

3 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

Great point @ryebread! Lu would have been perfect. First she needs to give Victoria a brush.

A paper bag would suffice

[Gem 10]

4 minutes ago, archer1267 said:

And I noticed that she didn't say *who* inspected it. "I have it inspected" could consist of Sonja taking it for a ride without incident. 

Wasn't she stockpiling Wesson cooking oil in her basement a few seasons ago? Maybe that could be a housewarming present for new tenants.

Is Sonja dirt poor or what?  Her house needs work here and there.  Why hasn't she done it?  There's probably dog hair and crap all over the place .. And she has a housekeeper?  Can you imagine if she didn't?  All she wants to do is get dressed and go out and entertain those guys in her house and pretend that she's still important.

[Jezebel97]

48 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

God, look at Dorinda, she's disgusting.  She's sitting there slurring her words and embarrassing herself.  She's a mean, nasty drunk IMO.  WTF is wrong with Dorinda?  Oh, I know, she's a drunk, and she just embarrassed herself in front of everybody.  Someone should play her this video so she can see how she acts when she's drunk.

Slurinda has seasons of film of her being a sloppy nasty drunk, I doubt this makes any difference

She's still with John & still a messy drunk

I know Bethenny will get shit for how she handled It & her talking heads but frankly it had to be said

[TexasGal]

37 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

' You're a drunk'. Truth Bethenny. 

Ok - can’t argue with the facts there but it cracked me up that she was so crazy Bethenny - “Don’’t get your fur up because I’m going to be nice...blahblah...I cut you slack because you’re a drunk.”  I mean, for Bethenny I guess that was nice.

Carole and the eggs.  Yeesh.

[enchantingmonkey]

It sounded like Bethenny had been drinking with Dorinda before they went to dinner, so I have a feeling she knew exactly what she was doing by bringing Dorinda with her.  Bethenny knows how this game is played.  And, their discussion on the plane felt so honest and real that I actually forgot I was watching a bunch of producer-manipulated antics.   

[farmgal4]

1 hour ago, Mindthinkr said:

That was an unusual request to get your eggs done two ways but not have them touching Carole. 

That was some weird shit right there.

[Gem 10]

11 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

A paper bag would suffice

I guess she looks like the Count.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, Mindthinkr said:

I noticed that even if Sonja’s elevator is inspected every year, she still took the realtor up the stairs! 

Inspected doesn't mean that it is working though and she never said it works! LOL

50 minutes ago, WhoaWhoKnew said:

Are we sure she's only drunk?

Didn't we find out at a reunion that she's a drug user, too?

What a fucking nightmare she is.

Here's my problem, Bethenny knew all of this about Dorinda, Bethenny was the first one to allege that Dorinda/John use coke/get high, so why did she ask her to come on this trip? 

27 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

I wonder if the real reason Bethenny had to take Dorinda to Puerto Rico, even though Dorinda acted like a crazy, mean drunk, is because the "storyline" was that Bethenny had to take one of the housewives to Puerto Rico.  She should have taken Carole.

I'm sure that Bethenny had to take at least 1 HW with her for production to film her/her Partners relief trip but why did she pick someone that she knows is a nasty drunk, that she has accused of doing illegal drugs before and then sit in her room (followed by the hotel bar) drinking with her before introducing her to the rest of the B Strong relief team? WHY?

[Bronzedog]

27 minutes ago, pieinmyeye said:

Not to mention her asking how they could be cooked! There are only so many ways of cooking a damn egg!

And I bet you don’t want any of them to touch.

Oh, God no!  No egg on egg!  Egg on egg = egg!  Ewww!

[Gem 10]

8 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

That was some weird shit right there.

She should have had a pile of home fries too to fill out those cheeks .. And bacon too.

[absolutelyido]

16 minutes ago, Gem 10 said:

Sonja should consentrate on cleaning up her house instead of worrying about lunches with the girls.  Flirting with the gay photographer was gross.  Who acts like that?   Dorinda unraveling in Puerto Rico was bad. Money can't buy you class and happiness, that's for sure.  To me, Carole is still annoying.  She has something to say about everyone, and then laughs.  I give Bethenny credit for telling Dorinda she's a drunk.  She says it like it is.  Carole is really pissed that she wasn't asked to go to Puerto Rico.  That's a real chop on her.  

Sonja was gross with the photographer. How was her behavior towards a professional there to do his job in anyway appropriate? Yet you could tell Sonja thought she was being oh so cute and flirty. No. She was behaving exactly like the 'me too' stories you hear of men in power making sexually suggestive comments that mortify the women who just want to do their jobs. Just imagine how that scene would play if Sonja were a man, and the photographer was a woman. I was disgusted by her behavior. 

41 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

' You're a drunk'. Truth Bethenny. 

Speaking of mortifying behavior, I could barely watch drunk Dorinda because I was so embarrassed for her and for Bethenny. I can understand why Bethenny said she was afraid of Dorinda. Can you imagine bringing a friend to dinner and have her behave like that? I'd be afraid to ever invite her anywhere again.

I have a lot of respect for Bethenny, both for what she had done in Puerto Rico and for how she handled Dorinda. Bethenny was a good friend to Dorinda in that scene. She told Dorinda what she needed to hear in a respectful way. 

[BusyOctober]

Oh for the love of Gawd!  Carole, SHUT UP about fuckin’ Adam!  (and fucking Adam).  All of the descriptives and labels about what the stupid relationship is and what it isn’t are exhausting and phony.  You had some fun, you got very close then needed space.  Then you were each other’s booty call.  Now that he found a new person to date, Carole feels she should break up with him. Um, I think Adam already pulled that trigger when he asked another woman out. Carole is the only one who believes the BS she is trying to sell anyway. She was never one of my favorites in this franchise but now I feel stabby when Carole speaks.  And WTF with the stupid eggs?  She thinks she is so chill, but she is definitely high maintenance.  Like Mount Everest high- high maintenance.

What the hell happened to Ramona’s hair in that manicure scene?  She looked like she woke up on a bench at the bus terminal.  Where was the cute bob from last week’s TH?

Luann’s convo with Victoria...UGH. “When I married Tom, we were traveling all the time!” & a few minutes later- “We were arguing all the time...” You were married for a nanosecond!  How much traveling and arguing were squeezed into an 8 week marriage?

Dorinda...oh my.  I am sad and embarrassed for you.  Dorinda has been my favorite since her first season, despite some of her drunken slur fests.  But, oh Dorinda, you didn’t make it nice in Miami.  Bethenny should have seen Dorinda’s condition before even walking into the restaurant and shut that shit down fast.  I wouldn’t have let her sit at the table and make a fool of herself and my work in front of all those people.  I wish Dorinda would see a therapist.

I can’t even with Sonja...you can’t go from delusional hoarder to UES townhouse proprietor in a week.  She should have hired 1-800-GOTJUNK first, then a contractor, then a professional stager.  Her Gray Gardens is a nightmare of a property with a multitude of structural and cosmetic repairs necessary before anyone would move in there!  It may have a desirable address, but she would be lucky to rent that heap and be able to make money from it.  Anyone paying what the rent must be in that neighborhood would expect working utilities, a working elevator, no peeling plaster. And definitely no clearly visible dog shit on the terrace. 

[enchantingmonkey]

11 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I'm sure that Bethenny had to take at least 1 HW with her for production to film her/her Partners relief trip but why did she pick someone that she knows is a nasty drunk, that she has accused of doing illegal drugs before and then sit in her room (followed by the hotel bar) drinking with her before introducing her to the rest of the B Strong relief team? WHY?

Because we're on TV!  

xoxo, 

Erika Jayne

[mbaywife123]

Good grief, Carole and the how many ways can an egg be prepared was made of pure stupid. The look on Tinsleys face was priceless.

The talk between Beth and Doris on the plane was very well done.

LuAnn and Victoria...ehh whatever.

Wish my crazy noodle Ramona had had a little more screen time if for nothing more than her slaughtering the English language and misusing common euphemisms.

We all know SonJa doesn't have a housekeeper and nary a mention any "interns" this season. Also 32k a month for a rental WTH!

[KungFuBunny]

11 minutes ago, enchantingmonkey said:

It sounded like Bethenny had been drinking with Dorinda before they went to dinner, so I have a feeling she knew exactly what she was doing by bringing Dorinda with her.  Bethenny knows how this game is played.  And, their discussion on the plane felt so honest and real that I actually forgot I was watching a bunch of producer-manipulated antics.   

Exactly!

She said they drank wine in their room and spoke about Dennis and Richard. She said they then went to the bar and had more wine. In her TH, she said I think Dorinda started before we drank in the room.

Bethenny isn't responsible for how Dorinda acts..but after hearing the slurring while greeting her partners and having witnessed Dorinda at the Halloween party and in Mexico...I would have said can you excuse us for a moment? And then said something to Dorinda in the hallway/bathroom area - anything...you're slurring, please don't embarrass me or yourself, do you want to skip dinner, you're past tipsy, even OMG you're drunk

[HunterHunted]

Dorinda and Sonja both have this inability to move beyond their trauma. Sonja is delusional and clearly misses the trappings of her old life. Dorinda is angry at losing her life with Richard that she drunkenly lashes out at everyone. Plus she's built this placeholder life with John because she doesn't want to move beyond Richard.

[FairyDusted]

And both drink like fish.

[WireWrap]

14 minutes ago, absolutelyido said:

Sonja was gross with the photographer. How was her behavior towards a professional there to do his job in anyway appropriate? Yet you could tell Sonja thought she was being oh so cute and flirty. No. She was behaving exactly like the 'me too' stories you hear of men in power making sexually suggestive comments that mortify the women who just want to do their jobs. Just imagine how that scene would play if Sonja were a man, and the photographer was a woman. I was disgusted by her behavior. 

Speaking of mortifying behavior, I could barely watch drunk Dorinda because I was so embarrassed for her and for Bethenny. I can understand why Bethenny said she was afraid of Dorinda. Can you imagine bringing a friend to dinner and have her behave like that? I'd be afraid to ever invite her anywhere again.

I have a lot of respect for Bethenny, both for what she had done in Puerto Rico and for how she handled Dorinda. Bethenny was a good friend to Dorinda in that scene. She told Dorinda what she needed to hear in a respectful way. 

The Real Estate Broker looked disgusted by Sonja's behavior!

10 minutes ago, enchantingmonkey said:

Because we're on TV!  

xoxo, 

Erika Jayne

She would have been better off taking Ramona or Sonja than Dorinda. She would have gotten the laughs she needed with a dash of drama but not the disturbing drunk behavior like she did with Dorinda.

[enchantingmonkey]

6 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

And then said something to Dorinda in the hallway/bathroom area - anything...you're slurring, please don't embarrass me or yourself, do you want to skip dinner, you're past tipsy, even OMG you're drunk

Wasn't Bethenny so concerned about Ramona embarrassing her in front of the "Important People" during the Tequila Trip last season, yet she drags Drunk Dorinda along with her to dinner with these people?  I smell a conspiracy!  

 

3 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

She would have been better off taking Ramona or Sonja than Dorinda. She would have gotten the laughs she needed with a dash of drama but not the disturbing drunk behavior like she did with Dorinda.

The curious thing is that she knows Dorinda is capable of this type of behavior....and she brought her, regardless.  

[nexxie]

11 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Exactly!

She said they drank wine in their room and spoke about Dennis and Richard. She said they then went to the bar and had more wine. In her TH, she said I think Dorinda started before we drank in the room.

Bethenny isn't responsible for how Dorinda acts..but after hearing the slurring while greeting her partners and having witnessed Dorinda at the Halloween party and in Mexico...I would have said can you excuse us for a moment? And then said something to Dorinda in the hallway/bathroom area - anything...you're slurring, please don't embarrass me or yourself, do you want to skip dinner, you're past tipsy, even OMG you're drunk

If there were no cameras, Bethenny might have done that - but she probably figured it would be good tv and she’d come out looking good herself.

[WireWrap]

Just now, enchantingmonkey said:

Wasn't Bethenny so concerned about Ramona embarrassing her in front of the "Important People" during the Tequila Trip last season, yet she drags Drunk Dorinda along with her to dinner with these people?  I smell a conspiracy!  

 

The curious thing is that she knows Dorinda is capable of this type of behavior....and she brought her, regardless.  

EXACTLY! Which is why I am asking WHY she asked Dorinda! LOL

[AttackTurtle]

I love my wine, but I’ve never been in Dorinda’s condition.  I had to change the channel during the dinner scene because it made me too uncomfortable. I suspect that booze plays a big role in her relationship with John.  She just made me sad tonight.

Carole was uncomfortable eating in Chinatown and the egg ordering was weird and not cute in a Meg Ryan - When Harry Met Sally way. Regardless of her reporter past, she doesn’t seem comfortable outside her comfort zone.....so maybe not taking her to Hurricane ravaged PR was a good call?

[enchantingmonkey]

2 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

EXACTLY! Which is why I am asking WHY she asked Dorinda! LOL

Erika Jayne answered your question up-thread. LOL!  

[KungFuBunny]

16 minutes ago, mbaywife123 said:

Good grief, Carole and the how many ways can an egg be prepared was made of pure stupid. The look on Tinsleys face was priceless.

The talk between Beth and Doris on the plane was very well done.

LuAnn and Victoria...ehh whatever.

Wish my crazy noodle Ramona had had a little more screen time if for nothing more than her slaughtering the English language and misusing common euphemisms.

We all know SonJa doesn't have a housekeeper and nary a mention any "interns" this season. Also 32k a month for a rental WTH!

Ramona's on WWHL - she couldn't say inebriated.

She pronounced it IN NAH BRAIDED

[mbaywife123]

1 minute ago, KungFuBunny said:

Ramona's on WWHL - she couldn't say inebriated.

She pronounced it IN NAH BRAIDED

Just saw this as well, loved it when Andy called it out.

Gotta love that crazy noodle,

[enchantingmonkey]

10 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Ramona's on WWHL - she couldn't say inebriate.

Does! Ramona! Remember? was hilarious!  

[movingtargetgal]

24 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

Dorinda and Sonja both have this inability to move beyond their trauma. Sonja is delusional and clearly misses the trappings of her old life. Dorinda is angry at losing her life with Richard that she drunkenly lashes out at everyone. Plus she's built this placeholder life with John because she doesn't want to move beyond Richard.

 

21 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

And both drink like fish.

If you add in Luann and some of the other housewifes from all the different cities, Bravo's next hit series could be Real Housewives of Rehab.