S07.E00: Teen Mom OG Finale Special: Check-Up with Dr. Drew – Part One

[snarts]

Dr Drew is a hack and completely unqualified to provide parenting/relationship advice to these clowns, especially since it's apparent he doesn't watch the show. That said, drug addiction is his speciality. He is well versed and is consistent in his approach to treatment. So Mack trying to come at him defending Ryan's (lack of) treatment was hilarious. Just because methadone & alcohol have supplanted opiates as Ryan's current high doesn't mean he's sober.  Far from it. Why anyone would think he should have unfettered access to Bentley at point is insane. Dude can't even carry on a conversation without nodding off or his eyes glazing over. He shouldn't be driving anywhere. 

Edited April 18, 2018 by snarts

[Isthisok]

We could literally play random clips of Frasier reruns on that stage and the end result would be more useful than Dr Drew.

[Mothra]

God do I hate Dr. Pinsky. If you want to be my friend, call yourself Drew.  "Dr, Drew" is what little kids call the babysitter or something.  You will not infantilize me you good-looking pile of smug.

Catelynn needs a kick in the ass, and Tyler is afraid to administer it.   Would've been nice if Pinsky had helped out, but no, he's friends with all the girls and doesn't want any hurt feelings.  She needs to be told that one stay at the spa is enough for this year, and she now has to have outpatient therapy, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD.

Reluctantly Team Maci because who in hell could be on Rhine and Mack's side?  Rhine is totally using.  Artie Lange told us that addicts lie about everything, so, your honor I rest my case.

Amber makes me want to puke in a plastic bag.  Does anyone else imagine sex with that man?  I find it invading my thoughts not in a lustful manner but as sweet jebus how could anyone?  It's not just that he's big, he's just so awful.

Taylor is hot but he needs a Brazilian on his face.

Gary and Christina forever!

[CaliforniaLove]

1 hour ago, Mothra said:

Amber makes me want to puke in a plastic bag.  Does anyone else imagine sex with that man?  I find it invading my thoughts not in a lustful manner but as sweet jebus how could anyone?  It's not just that he's big, he's just so awful.

*Yeeeeeeeah, like, I totally agreeee *lamprey pucker* *lamprey pucker*. Maaaaan, Gary is like, laaaaame *lamprey pucker* *lamprey pucker*."

He turns my stomach...just like Amber's last succubus.

[Calm81]

19 hours ago, A-Lo said:

I know you're right, Ghoulina.  I guess I'm just so incensed at the thought of Cate leaving that poor crying child behind again so she could "attack" her trauma (apparently trauma can only be attacked in a spa-like setting, across the country from your home and family) that I see red and can't think straight on that topic.

Look at the body language in this picture.  Mack is angled toward him, gazing directly at him.  Ryan is angled slightly away from her, arms firmly crossed over his chest, no eye contact with her.  If I were in Mack's shoes and my husband treated me like this...on national television, no less...I would not want to attach myself to him for the next 18 years by having a child with him.  It's downright humiliating!

And they’re newlyweds! 

He hates her.

[ginger90]

This episode:

[Mr. Miner]

8 hours ago, CaliforniaLove said:

He turns my stomach...just like Amber's last succubus.

Apparently, gross disgusting pieces of shit are attracted to each other. Who in their right fucking mind would want to get with Amber?

[Brooklynista]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Minor said:

Apparently, gross disgusting pieces of shit are attracted to each other. Who in their right fucking mind would want to get with Amber?

Well water seeks it's own level.  Even sewer water. 

[mamadrama]

I can't even stand to listen to NuMatt's voice. It's so condescending and anal sounding. Just weird. 

[FairyDusted]

What a Gawd awful show. Worse than usual actually. Farrah gets a one on one. It was pretty funny that Maci said they were not allowed in areas if Farrah was there. WTF?! She really does think she's queen B. Nope.  Then this.....Anal sounding! BWAHHHHHHHH! I'm buying lunch today MamaD!

2 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

I can't even stand to listen to NuMatt's voice. It's so condescending and anal sounding. Just weird.

Edited April 18, 2018 by FairyDusted

[Brooklynista]

1 minute ago, FairyDusted said:

What a Gawd awful show. Worse than usual actually. Farrah gets a one on one. It was pretty funny that Maci said they were not allowed in areas if Farrah was there. WTF?! She really does think she's queen B. Nope.

Let's not forget Amber tried to attack Farrah with the other girls cheering her on.  I wouldn't want to be around any of them either. 

[FairyDusted]

@Brooklynista Good point. I just can't see Cate really attacking anyone. Far too lazy. and Maci ain't doing shit without backup. But yeah, I wouldn't want to be around any of them. 

[Brooklynista]

And of course Drew didn't mention that when he was asking them if they felt better onstage without Farrah   being there. 

[AirQuotes]

On ‎4‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 10:52 PM, LotusFlower said:

I have a feeling he meant that the therapists he talked to all said he needed to stop filming (for the good of his sobriety). That’s why Mackenzie said “they told him he had to quit his job.”  First of all - job!!  He sits on a couch, pets his dog, and nods off a few days a year, and that’s his job!  God forbid he get a real one.  Secondly, Mackenzie would leave him in a heartbeat if he quit the show.  She wants to be a star!  And have a fairytale wedding just like the other moms!  Sorry, Mac.  You got what you got.

This was my take on it also.  It isn't that therapists are refusing him because of the show; they are telling him that participation in this farce of a show is unhealthy for him.  None of these fame whores want to stop suckling at the toxic MTV tit though.

I find it absurd for an M.D. to film with Ryan and sit there pretending he isn't detoxing or tweaking or whatever is happening.  Clearly, he is either on something or coming down from something.  He is bug eyed, twitchy and bloated!  Maybe Dr. Drew did whip out his flashlight and do a pupil check and MTV edited that out.

[FairyDusted]

I thought I heard suboxin (Spelling) My doctor said she didn't like using it because it can be abused somehow I guess. No idea if that's true or not. I took myself off after they(opiates) did nothing for the pain yet my body needed them to function. Not fun at all. Better than the induced coma in Mexico I considered.

Edited April 18, 2018 by FairyDusted

[RoxieRambles]

The drugs definately took a toll on him....

[FairyDusted]

He was still a jerk but I liked looking at him cuz he reminded me of Mark on Roseanne. RIP Glenn!

[RoxieRambles]

Mac? Really? He is such a catch, I must marry him and have his spawn ?

[Calm81]

Two alcoholics calling out someone else’s drinking is so friggin’ laughable. I’m not one to defend Mack and Ryan but Maci and Taylor calling them out for lying about drinking was pathetic to watch knowing that Saint bud light Maci was heavily drinking WHILE PREGNANT!!!!! 

I did like the outfit Maci was wearing but she needs to fire the hair stylist that gave her the same hair style Kailyn has been sporting at every single after show/reunion the past few years. 

I love how Amber said “we were talking for a while then he came for a visit” her time reference is so messed up ...she got pregnant with him sooooo soon after MBC so where does the “talking for a while” mean? Is long term in TM land a few days?? Because if I’m telling someone “yeah , he and I have been talking for a while...” means a minimum of like 3-6 months lol. She wasn’t talking to him long enough for that to make sense with the conception of Malibu James. ? 

[Calm81]

21 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

 

Amber is seriously one of thinnest looking 8 months pregnant women I've ever seen, especially for someone who wasn't in shape when got pregnant and who carries a lot of weight in her face anyway. 

My co-worker is 8 months pregnant, was in great shape (thin/athletic) when got pregnant, still does kickboxing cardio several days per week, and even she has started to "look pregnant in her face" at this point.  I'm about to call shenanigans....or drug use.  

I wonder if it was only $120k since #TeenMomMath rules call for adding months/years to the length of relationships but likely also call for subtracting large amounts of money off of the total that "soulmates" have pilfered from you...

And how do you not miss $120k being gone from your accounts? That's more than my husband & I make in a year and the price of some fairly decent homes in many areas of my state and her state as well! I can't. (And yes, our cost of living/home prices are crazy low here, but so are many of our salaries.)  I have two graduate degrees and am lucky to have a full-time job (many people I graduated with do not).  It would take me several years of putting 100% of my take-home paycheck (which would never even be possible in the real world because bills) to get $120k stored away in my account.  Yet Amber can't even check her bank account from her phone while she lays in bed or be bothered to exert some energy to break up with Matt before he spent that much of her money.

And see above: I'm starting to believe the conspiracy that Matt is the baby's dad and Amber's already had the kid may be true.  That's crazy, right? It's more likely she just somehow magically manages to be slimmer in her neck/face while 8 mo pregnant than she's been for years non-pregnant, right? Or it's drugs? 

 

When I was pregnant with my two girls (I exercised throughout) I looked heavily pregnant but when I was pregnant with my son I did NOT look pregnant until the month of delivery.

I actually got into an argument with another pregnant chic that kept telling me I was lying about how many weeks I was pregnant - like I would have something to gain for lying about my due date?

This lady was a customer so she knew NOTHING about my life but was jealous that she got LARGE and she was 3 weeks behind me in the pregnancy. I carried really tiny with my son and didn’t really “pop” until 7 months but even then I just looked bloated lol. I don’t know Ambers story, though, drugs? Lying about the pregnancy? Lol, but it is strange how she’s losing weight the further along she gets. 

I remember Amber showing a lot when she was pregnant with Leah, so maybe she carries boys like I do? ? That was my favorite pregnancy....took me days to get back into my old clothes..with my girls it took MONTHS of exercise lol. They really DO steal their moms beauty.

Edited April 18, 2018 by Calm81

[A-Lo]

2 hours ago, RoxieRambles said:

Mac? Really? He is such a catch, I must marry him and have his spawn ?

I started to wonder why she'd post such a hideous picture but then realized that this is what she's working with all the time.  So if she wants to post a pic with her loving husband, this is what we're destined to get.  Too funny!

Edited April 18, 2018 by A-Lo

[TresGatos]

14 hours ago, snarts said:

That said, drug addiction is his speciality. He is well versed and is consistent in his approach to treatment.

Maybe he needs a different specialty?
 

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Dr. Drew Pinsky says he has no plans to go forward with another season of Celebrity Rehab because he's "tired of taking all the heat" following the deaths of five former cast members.

"It's very stressful and very intense for me," Pinsky said in a recent radio interview with Zach Sang and the Gang (via Today.com). "To have people questioning my motives and taking aim at me because people get sick and die because they have a life-threatening disease, and I take the blame? Rodney King has a heart attack and I take blame for that?"

He added: "I don't have plans to do that again. I'm tired of taking all the heat. It's just ridiculous."

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dr-drew-no-more-celebrity-451576

So when the cast of Teen Mom starts dropping like flies don't blame Dr. Drew!

[kicksave]

17 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Looking at fat Ryan we know Mac 's pregnant.l. He's gaining all the weight!

Dr Drew can't push to hard with these losers.  They March right off the stage.  No doctor can keep them there.

They are the stars!!!  

Hit them in the pocket book!

I would be curious to know how much $$$  teen mom pulls in for the network.  If it's a lot then that's why these druggies are coddled!

Their already down one.  Farrah the porn star!.

 

I read a story yesterday with pics no less about Farrah having Sophia record on her phone Farrah's butt implant procedure she had recently. This woman is unbelievable. 

Edited April 18, 2018 by kicksave

[StatisticalOutlier]

21 hours ago, MerryMary said:

I love how Macyi dots her I's with a circle. 

I can't believe I hadn't noticed that.  It makes my day.  Especially spelling the drug as "heroine" with a circle over the "i."

 

14 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

15 hours ago, A-Lo said:

Do you remember when Mac first came on the scene and we all liked her and thought she was good for Ryan because she was almost like his babysitter?  And she and Ryan had a very nice, agreeable dinner with Maci and Taylor and the two women shared their experiences of being teen moms?  How in the world did we go from that Mac to this Mac who seems to ooze venom from her pores when she feels threatened in any way?

I'll take a stab at it.  MTV made her a star and now she's full of herself!  Or...this is the role MTV has given her to play!

It's so easy to forget how much manipulation is involved with these shows.  Thinking along the lines of "They can't show it if you didn't do it" ignores what editors can do.  And don't forget  who MTV's customers are.  It's not the "talent" and it's not the viewers.  It's the advertisers.  I keep that running in the back of my head whenever I watch this shit.

 

2 hours ago, AirQuotes said:

This was my take on it also.  It isn't that therapists are refusing him because of the show; they are telling him that participation in this farce of a show is unhealthy for him.  None of these fame whores want to stop suckling at the toxic MTV tit though.

I know AA is supposed to be anonymous, and I know people keep pretty tight lips in places like Los Angeles, but I've wondered about areas where the likes of Rhine would be a celebrity.

And are therapists refusing to see him because he's on the show, or are they seeing him and telling him he shouldn't be on the show, and since he won't not be on the show he doesn't go back?

I wondered if they can actually refuse to see him based on that, and still don't know because the first thing I found when searching for info was about a law in Tennessee that allows mental health professionals to refuse to treat patients based on religious objections or personal beliefs and I decided to stop thinking about it entirely.

 

29 minutes ago, A-Lo said:

I started to wonder why she'd post such a hideous picture but then realized that this is what she's working will all the time.  So if she wants to post a pic with her loving husband, this is what we're destined to get.  Too funny!

It looks to me like they're in an airplane and Ryan's asleep.  Pretty much everybody looks like that when they're asleep when sitting up in an airplane.

Not to say that he's not nodding out, of course.  But it's less certain to me than when he's driving a car.

[Kazu]

3 hours ago, mamadrama said:

I can't even stand to listen to NuMatt's voice. It's so condescending and anal sounding. Just weird. 

It is suitable considering his mouth and eye area both resemble a rectum.

Ryan (back in the day) resembles Adam Ant:

 

[Mothra]

3 hours ago, AirQuotes said:

It isn't that therapists are refusing him because of the show; they are telling him that participation in this farce of a show is unhealthy for him.  None of these fame whores want to stop suckling at the toxic MTV tit though.

Can you imagine how fast Mack would hit the road if Rhinovirus were to leave the show?  Like to save his life and help him get off drugs?  I don't think even his parents would encourage him to do that.  Just think--these three people who we have to assume love him and want him to be sober and have a happy, successful life (well, two of them probably do) would rather see him continue to stay high--even to the point of his addiction being on national display--than give up that MTV paycheck and being on TV  I don't think it's only the money; they're *stars*.  You really have to pity him.  Not only is he a slave to drugs, but the people who should be helping him prefer getting paid.  The only person I see being even remotely worried about him is Maci, and if Bentley weren't involved, she probably wouldn't care what happened to him, either.  Although her check is not dependent on his being on the show, maybe she does have a little soft spot for him and worry about him, but that's just guessing.

[Kazu]

Maci's check is not dependent upon Ryan's participation, but her appearance on the show is the only reason Ryan is even on the show. Without her, Ryan has no "job". 

[BlancheDevoreaux]

38 minutes ago, TresGatos said:

Maybe he needs a different specialty?
 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dr-drew-no-more-celebrity-451576

So when the cast of Teen Mom starts dropping like flies don't blame Dr. Drew!

It's really distrubing, when you think about it, how many people on Teen Mom have struggled with substance abuse.  There are 8 total girls (I still refuse to acknowledge Brianna on TM2 and don't watch her segments so can't comment on her part of the group) and of those 8, Jenelle, Leah, Amber, and Catelynn have all admitted to an addiction with Maci looking like the likely has one to alcohol herself. Has Kailyn struggled?  For some reason I think she has but can't remember anything specific.  Then, when you add in Ryan, Adam, and Tyler, you have very few girls on this show who have not had an addiction or a partner who suffers.  Is Farrah the only one who hasn't experienced addiction or a partner with an addiction?  And even she has admitted to using cocaine.  It just seems like, in a country where something like 8% of the population suffers from substance abuse and addiction, Teen Mom has more than its fair share.  Dr. Drew should be embarrassed to be associated with it considering he is supposed to specialize in just that.

7 minutes ago, Kazu said:

Maci's check is not dependent upon Ryan's participation, but her appearance on the show is the only reason Ryan is even on the show. Without her, Ryan has no "job". 

But without Ryan, she will likely fall into the same "problem" that Chelsea has.  That is, she will be seen as boring.  Not that I think there is anything wrong with that.  Chelsea is easily my favorite of all of the girls because she managed to get her stuff together and isn't a drain on society.

[poeticlicensed]

15 minutes ago, Mothra said:

It isn't that therapists are refusing him because of the show; they are telling him that participation in this farce of a show is unhealthy for him.  None of these fame whores want to stop suckling at the toxic MTV tit though.

Or is he telling them that MTV wants to film and they are refusing? Which is BS because the only therapy sessions I have seen on this show involve Tyler, Cate and a copier room. I think that when (or if) he has even gotten as far as talking to a therapist, they are telling him that he must follow their treatment plan to the letter. If that means no filming, then no filming. I honestly think he hasn't even contacted a therapist at all and he is BSing . Gawd, Hollywood has more therapists and counselors per square mile than anywhere else. They are there because celebs use their services. I don't think any celeb has had any trouble finding a doctor. Ryan is full of it. 

[Kazu]

18 minutes ago, BlancheDevoreaux said:

IBut without Ryan, she will likely fall into the same "problem" that Chelsea has.  That is, she will be seen as boring.  Not that I think there is anything wrong with that.  Chelsea is easily my favorite of all of the girls because she managed to get her stuff together and isn't a drain on society.

Maci IS boring. Her story lines are mainly scripted or made-up.

[Mothra]

46 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

Or is he telling them that MTV wants to film and they are refusing? Which is BS because the only therapy sessions I have seen on this show involve Tyler, Cate and a copier room. I think that when (or if) he has even gotten as far as talking to a therapist, they are telling him that he must follow their treatment plan to the letter. If that means no filming, then no filming. I honestly think he hasn't even contacted a therapist at all and he is BSing . Gawd, Hollywood has more therapists and counselors per square mile than anywhere else. They are there because celebs use their services. I don't think any celeb has had any trouble finding a doctor. Ryan is full of it. 

Totally agree.

I didn't say what you quote me as saying.  Those immortal  words are Airquotes', which I quoted.  There may be a bug around here someplace.

[gunderda]

On 4/16/2018 at 8:56 PM, FreetheGirlses said:

Did Larry just say, "Get him, girl" when it was suggested that Maci go out on the couch with Ryan? Maci has Ryan's number and Ryan knows it...and I say that as someone who is NOT a Maci apologist. 

He did! And it was amazing! lol 

On 4/16/2018 at 11:49 PM, Kazu said:

Why did Maci tell Drew that she thinks Ryan is "doing well" in response to his question about how she thinks Ryan is doing? She recently filed a restraining order against Ryan. He is not doing well. He is threatening her and her husband.

I really think she was trying to not say anything TOO negative but Dr Drew was obviously trying to get her to talk shit about Ryan.  If she would have said he's not doing well that would have set Ryan and Mac off even more, possibly even Jen and Larry with them saying it's none of her business to report how Ryan is doing. So I believe she went the safe route and said "I believe he's doing well".  It's super obviously that's not what she wanted to say though.

[ReadMeLattice]

On 4/16/2018 at 6:23 PM, JocelynCavanaugh said:

I’m sorry but I just don’t feel bad for Cateynn any more. She may have a legitimate mental illness but I can’t take all her sniveling and snot slurping while she feels sorry for herself and refuses to take real action to improve her life. I totally understand that real depression can come across this way, but it doesn’t make it any less frustrating to watch when it’s someone I don’t really know or like. 

Yeah, I agree. Depression definitely made me unlikable and unattractive (as it does to most people, I would wager), and I only let a select few people see me go through it for that reason. I get that she's on TV and I'm not, so it's part of her "job" I guess...but it's hard in general to watch someone go through, and then when it's someone as lazy and ugh as Catelynn, it's difficult to watch without judging. I do appreciate the effects of long-term childhood trauma, but watching someone inflict it on their own kid in turn is...f*cked.

And I DO judge because every time she talks about herself, I think of how bitchy she is towards Theresa.

[druzy]

1 hour ago, Kazu said:

Maci IS boring. Her story lines are mainly scripted or made-up.

And to make matters worse she's a slow talker! 

[MaggieG]

You guys have pretty much said it all, I just wanted to chime and say that Cate's shoes were ridiculous.

[missbonnie]

I really, really wish that someone that works for MTV would tell Catelyn that her hair looks like shit that color and pass that note along to Amber when she does it as well. What is it with this bright red bullshit? Farrah can keep hers though because it fits her ugly personality.

[AirQuotes]

2 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I know AA is supposed to be anonymous, and I know people keep pretty tight lips in places like Los Angeles, but I've wondered about areas where the likes of Rhine would be a celebrity.

And are therapists refusing to see him because he's on the show, or are they seeing him and telling him he shouldn't be on the show, and since he won't not be on the show he doesn't go back?

I wondered if they can actually refuse to see him based on that, and still don't know because the first thing I found when searching for info was about a law in Tennessee that allows mental health professionals to refuse to treat patients based on religious objections or personal beliefs and I decided to stop thinking about it entirely.

 

1 hour ago, poeticlicensed said:

Or is he telling them that MTV wants to film and they are refusing? Which is BS because the only therapy sessions I have seen on this show involve Tyler, Cate and a copier room. I think that when (or if) he has even gotten as far as talking to a therapist, they are telling him that he must follow their treatment plan to the letter. If that means no filming, then no filming. I honestly think he hasn't even contacted a therapist at all and he is BSing . Gawd, Hollywood has more therapists and counselors per square mile than anywhere else. They are there because celebs use their services. I don't think any celeb has had any trouble finding a doctor. Ryan is full of it. 

When I was in nursing school many years ago, part of the psych rotation was finding an AA meeting and going to sit in on it.  Our instructors gave us a letter that we had to take with us explaining to the meeting director why we were there and they had to sign it proving we went.  I was very uncomfortable with it, and I felt like it was inappropriate.  I felt like it really violated the anonymity and trust of the people who were there for the intended purpose.   

It could be a combo of therapists telling Ryan the show isn't healthy for him and he needs to stop filming and/or MTV wants to film his therapy sessions and the therapists are refusing (rightfully so).  Since this is Mack Truck, and Ryan giving us the information and it is being filtered through MTV, then who knows what the truth is.  My theory seems most logical though.  Could you imagine being a therapist trying to talk some sense into either one of those attention whore dolts?

But it is possible therapists in his area don't want to touch him with a 10 foot pole!  Now that I think about it, I would probably refuse taking him on as a client.  Reality TV is a slippery slope that I would stay away from also; especially if it was dealing with the mental health of a really mentally unhealthy reality star.  Reality tv is its own weird genre that crosses too many lines. 

[StatisticalOutlier]

48 minutes ago, gunderda said:

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Did Larry just say, "Get him, girl" when it was suggested that Maci go out on the couch with Ryan? Maci has Ryan's number and Ryan knows it...and I say that as someone who is NOT a Maci apologist. 

He did! And it was amazing! lol

I thought so too, at first, but I think I've changed my mind.

Why is it Maci's job to "get him"?  She's not his father, or his mother, or even a relative.  She barely even "knows" him any more, and (finally!!) wouldn't have anything to do with him if it weren't for Bentley.

It would be in Bentley's best interest if Ryan isn't a drug addict, but that's the only dog Maci has in that fight.  On the other side, it would be in Bentley's and Jen's and Larry's best interest if Ryan isn't a drug addict.  They have much more skin in the game, especially since Maci could cut them off completely from Bentley if she wanted to.  They need to do something, not rely on Maci to do it.

Never mind Mackenzie, who's fixing to have a baby with that drug addict, but that is completely none of Maci's concern and I think Mackenzie's a lost cause anyway.

 

45 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

I do appreciate the effects of long-term childhood trauma, but watching someone inflict it on their own kid in turn is...f*cked.

But you know it happens all the time.  You'd think, for example, that someone who was abused as a child would be the last person on the planet to abuse a child, but it's often the opposite.

Normally, we don't have to witness it.  But I'm not sure that makes it better.

[AirQuotes]

I don't know why I'm so hung up on this Ryan and therapists refusing him, but I am. lol

I think therapists could legit be turning him away.  He is a known heroin addict on a reality tv show.  Think of the potential liability.  That's a biggie.  Better to refuse him and not get mixed up rather than deal with your name being dragged through the med if he over-doses.   There is documented proof of everyone around him being in denial and placing blame on everyone but Ryan.

I think its the heroin addiction and reality tv participation that is the toxic cocktail scaring away therapists.

[UniqueHandle]

On 4/16/2018 at 8:29 PM, woodscommaelle said:

Catelynn looks like a My Little Pony doll. 

That's how she gets Nova to play with her.

[ghoulina]

23 hours ago, Kokapetl said:

Did the pillow come with the shirt?

LOL! I didn't notice that at first, but that is too funny. 

On a serious note, Larry's body language couldn't be more obvious. He's completely over Ryan's shit. On the show, this season, he actually looked like more of a delusional enabler than Jenn. I wonder if he watched it and realized that Ryan was still "high high ya both high"?

18 hours ago, A-Lo said:

Do you remember when Mac first came on the scene and we all liked her and thought she was good for Ryan because she was almost like his babysitter?  And she and Ryan had a very nice, agreeable dinner with Maci and Taylor and the two women shared their experiences of being teen moms?  How in the world did we go from that Mac to this Mac who seems to ooze venom from her pores when she feels threatened in any way?

I never really liked her, but I didn't think she had the agenda that she clearly does. I was flat out convinced she was an older home-health aid, hired by his parents because the drug addict couldn't be trusted to be left alone. Boy was I wrong!

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

2 hours ago, Kazu said:

 

This was Ryan's pretty-boy-version-James Dean-Luke Perry-wanna-be* phase. (No lie, I dig it, but pre-drugs Ryan is my "type" physically.)   

*obviously, he was never James Dean-Luke Perry smokin', but I think he was hot.  

 

5 hours ago, FairyDusted said:

He was still a jerk but I liked looking at him cuz he reminded me of Mark on Roseanne. RIP Glenn!

He does look like a taller Mark. :)    (I always thought Mark was so handsome when I was a kid/teen watching that show! Like I said, I have a type, LOL.)

Edited April 18, 2018 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[ghoulina]

6 hours ago, AirQuotes said:

This was my take on it also.  It isn't that therapists are refusing him because of the show; they are telling him that participation in this farce of a show is unhealthy for him.  None of these fame whores want to stop suckling at the toxic MTV tit though.

I feel like Rhine actually might quit if not for Mack. Mack was the one who brought up that therapists suggest he quit MTV, but she said it like it was some noble profession - "They want him to quit his JOB." As if!

Here's a thought  - they could downscale, live within their means, and SHE could work while he gets really and truly clean. That's what a good, supportive wife would do anyhow. Instead she's more interested in getting knocked up by heroin sperm so she can latch onto MTV forever. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

I just went and googled some old pics of Ryan...ya'll it make me sad that this once beautiful (IMO) young man has done this to himself & ruined his good looks in less than a decade.  Yeah, I know looks aren't everything, but that was really the only thing Ryan had going for him.  (And as someone who is into his physical type, it's just....Le sigh.)

 

Edited April 18, 2018 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[JocelynCavanaugh]

5 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

This was Ryan's pretty-boy-version-James Dean-Luke Perry-wanna-be* phase. (No lie, I dig it, but pre-drugs Ryan is my "type" physically.)   

*obviously, he was never James Dean-Luke Perry smokin', but I think he was hot.  

 

I’m just gonna go ahead and say it: Luke Perry in his prime was even hotter than James Dean. DYLAN + KELLY 4EVA BRENDA SUX DONT @  ME!!!

Ryan in his prime was not bad looking, but he only had the sour part of the bad boy act down, not the mysterious, brooding part that makes girls end friendships and run off to Paris and eventually declare I CHOOSE ME!

While age gaps in mature relationships aren’t a big deal, I’ll always side-eye the seemingly attractive adult male who dates high school girls. Were ladies Ryan’s own age too smart to fall for his nonsense? How did he end up with teenage Maci? She was cute enough and always styled herself well but why couldn’t Ryan get a girl without a curfew? And one who used birth control responsibly?! Now he’s with the even-younger Mackenzie — it’s easy to forget her chronological age since she looks like a 40-year-old Lady Antebellum Fan Club President. 

[guilfoyleatpp]

I'm wondering now if that whole "therapists won't treat him" line is 100% bullshit. I've been equivocating to myself about how much of it could be true, as lots of times there is some grain of truth in a story like that...but now I'm wondering if they've done anything to try to get any kind of care.

It seems that any sort of therapist wouldn't require a person to quit their only means of employment before getting treatment. It's not as if Ryan was only ever getting his drugs from the crew or only did them when the crew was around. It seems like ending the relationship could be a goal once he and the therapist realize how detrimental it is to his sobriety, but staying employed doesn't seem like a non-starter for getting treatment. 

[Kazu]

2 hours ago, gunderda said:

He did! And it was amazing! lol 

I really think she was trying to not say anything TOO negative but Dr Drew was obviously trying to get her to talk shit about Ryan.  If she would have said he's not doing well that would have set Ryan and Mac off even more, possibly even Jen and Larry with them saying it's none of her business to report how Ryan is doing. So I believe she went the safe route and said "I believe he's doing well".  It's super obviously that's not what she wanted to say though.

Maci had no problem discussing the issue on the After Show special with Nessa. She even discussed the filing of the restraining order. She had a lot more to say to Nessa than this reunion show. That is why I questioned her saying Ryan is "doing well" because clearly he is not according to her own words and actions.

Maci has nothing to do with this situation other than secure the safety and welfare of Bentley and the rest of her family from Ryan's threats. His drug problem is not her problem to fix. I questioned why she waited to file the restraining order, but I am glad she did. I hope she doesn't change her mind or give in to any requests by the Enabling Edwards.

57 minutes ago, JocelynCavanaugh said:

 How did he end up with teenage Maci? She was cute enough and always styled herself well but why couldn’t Ryan get a girl without a curfew? And one who used birth control responsibly?!

I think they had a lot in common - drinking beer. Aside from the motorbikes and other related sports, Maci was, and still is, a party girl. She seemed to run in certain circles where guys like Ryan were likely seeking girls who were willing partners in more ways than one.

@AirQuotes I agree with you on the therapy topic. I think it could be a bit of all that you mentioned. There are therapists who take their jobs seriously and don't want to play up for any cameras. I have an acquaintance who is a therapist. She once told me she would question any therapist who conducted work on camera for public consumption. Ryan is likely being told everything from no cameras in his life to trying to get back into the work force where there was structure and responsibility. For sure he is being told he needs to have accountability and that means no more alcohol, continued drug-testing, weekly therapy sessions, and all that is required in order to begin a sober and clean life. They likely told him to make a decision and to return when he is ready.

Teen Mom is detrimental to the children on the show, at least the kids who are being exposed to abuse, neglect, drug use, and DV. It can also be detrimental to any adult who has drug and/or alcohol issues. The therapists are likely aware of the show and see it as MTV is purely exploiting the addicts on the show. We have watched how it plays a part in Amber, Jenelle, Adumb, and now Ryan's addiction problems. 

It sounds like Ryan and Mack are twisting what they were told into something else. I will not take their word on anything.

Edited April 18, 2018 by Kazu

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

32 minutes ago, JocelynCavanaugh said:

 

While age gaps in mature relationships aren’t a big deal, I’ll always side-eye the seemingly attractive adult male who dates high school girls. Were ladies Ryan’s own age too smart to fall for his nonsense?

Yes.

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And one who used birth control responsibly?! Now he’s with the even-younger Mackenzie — it’s easy to forget her chronological age since she looks like a 40-year-old Lady Antebellum Fan Club President. 

I needed this laugh today.  OMG. Thank you.

[Mr. Miner]

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Luke Perry and James Dean made me think of this.

[lampwick]

I’m no therapist, but I don’t think it’s rocket science to say that he needs to quit the show if he’s serious about getting sober.  It’s not like he’s on top chef or some home improvement show; he’s on a show that is based on a real life cautionary tale.  His addiction is good for ratings.  This is a show that rewards bad behavior period.  How on earth is he supposed to get out from having sold his soul to heroin when he has also sold his soul to MTV?   So yeah, it’s not “quit your job” it’s “remove yourself from an environment that enables and encourages trainwrecks.”  Then we can get started on getting you healthy.