S08.E02: Diva Las Vegas

[MatildaMoody]

I'm intrigued by all of these motives being ascribed to Ericka's behavior. For me, she is very much like Kelly B. from New York. She says things that halts conversations or sucks the air out of the room because she doesn't know how to interact with a group of people who aren't fawning over her. She's fine if she is having a one on one conversation, because she can find a way to bring it back to her and her life, like in her first season when she "opened up" to the other new girl. Or, when she and Kyle went to Greece, and Kyle was so in awe of Ericka's show and entourage, that Ericka allowed Kyle to talk about herself before whisking her off for something SHE was comfortable with - taking sexy photos after letting her entourage dress them up. Or, any of her scenes where it was just her and her ultimate fangirl, Eileen. 

Put her in a situation where she has to interact with multiple people, like when Lisa V. Dorit, PK, and Ken were joking about Lisa V's age, and she is lost. Even though they were all having a good laugh over the jokes about Lisa being old, Ericka is suddenly humorless and complaining about Dorit and PK being mean. When Dorit tries to move past the awkwardness by suggesting that Ericka didn't get the British humor, Ericka makes it more awkward by saying Dorit is from Connecticut, as though that had anything whatsoever to do with the conversation, or what Dorit actually said.  Or, when Lisa V, was joking about Kyle's panty lines and tried to include Ericka, and instead of playing along, Ericka stops the conversation by saying that she's not wearing panties (and I firmly believe that even if she had been wearing panties, she would have made that comment anyway to stop the conversation and bring the focus back to her). 

The reason this all reminds me of Kelly is because, like Kelly, I don't think that Ericka is aware that this is how she interacts with groups of people (women in particular). Her comments about how the other lawyers' wives dislike her and how she has never had any close female friendships lead me to believe she does this a lot and has no idea that it is the reason for her issues with other women in general. 

I accept that all of the women who do these shows are narcissists, and I'm grateful for the entertainment, but there are certain types of narcissist that are entertaining, like Lisa V., Kyle, Camille in her heyday, and rarely LisaR. But, there are special cases like Kelly, and Ericka, where it's more than simple narcissism, it's also a complete inability to interact when they are not the sole focus of attention. Or, the way they completely misread the room when they are called upon to interact in that type of social situation. 

And with all that said, I don't dislike Ericka. I just keep waiting for her to be a real human being and show us something about her life that isn't completely scripted. With the possible exception of Yolanda, we've seen some semblance of reality from all of the women except Ericka (I don't count Teddi because she is only 2 episodes in). Even Ericka's visit home with her mom was less about us seeing an aspect of Ericka's life and more about Ericka trotting out her mom (Tamra Barney-style) to prove a point about her upbringing. 

Edited December 30, 2017 by MatildaMoody

[hoodooznoodooz]

28 minutes ago, MatildaMoody said:

I'm intrigued by all of these motives being ascribed to Ericka's behavior. For me, she is very much like Kelly B. from New York. She says things that halts conversations or sucks the air out of the room because she doesn't know how to interact with a group of people who aren't fawning over her. She's fine if she is having a one on one conversation, because she can find a way to bring it back to her and her life, like in her first season when she "opened up" to the other new girl. Or, when she and Kyle went to Greece, and Kyle was so in awe of Ericka's show and entourage, that Ericka allowed Kyle to talk about herself before whisking her off for something SHE was comfortable with - taking sexy photos after letting her entourage dress them up. Or, any of her scenes where it was just her and her ultimate fangirl, Eileen. 

Put her in a situation where she has to interact with multiple people, like when Lisa V. Dorit, PK, and Ken were joking about Lisa V's age, and she is lost. Even though they were all having a good laugh over the jokes about Lisa being old, Ericka is suddenly humorless and complaining about Dorit and PK being mean. When Dorit tries to move past the awkwardness by suggesting that Ericka didn't get the British humor, Ericka makes it more awkward by saying Dorit is from Connecticut, as though that had anything whatsoever to do with the conversation, or what Dorit actually said.  Or, when Lisa V, was joking about Kyle's panty lines and tried to include Ericka, and instead of playing along, Ericka stops the conversation by saying that she's not wearing panties (and I firmly believe that even if she had been wearing panties, she would have made that comment anyway to stop the conversation and bring the focus back to her). 

The reason this all reminds me of Kelly is because, like Kelly, I don't think that Ericka is aware that this is how she interacts with groups of people (women in particular). Her comments about how the other lawyers' wives dislike her and how she has never had any close female friendships lead me to believe she does this a lot and has no idea that it is the reason for her issues with other women in general. 

I accept that all of the women who do these shows are narcissists, and I'm grateful for the entertainment, but there are certain types of narcissist that are entertaining, like Lisa V., Kyle, Camille in her heyday, and rarely LisaR. But, there are special cases like Kelly, and Ericka, where it's more than simple narcissism, it's also a complete inability to interact when they are not the sole focus of attention. Or, the way they completely misread the room when they are called upon to interact in that type of social situation. 

And with all that said, I don't dislike Ericka. I just keep waiting for her to be a real human being and show us something about her life that isn't completely scripted. With the possible exception of Yolanda, we've seen some semblance of reality from all of the women except Ericka (I don't count Teddi because she is only 2 episodes in). Even Ericka's visit home with her mom was less about us seeing an aspect of Ericka's life and more about Ericka trotting out her mom to prove a point about her upbringing. 

You're right! Erika and Kelly Bensimon are a LOT alike. Erika might be just a tiny bit less dumb. 

[MatildaMoody]

22 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

You're right! Erika and Kelly Bensimon are a LOT alike. Erika might be just a tiny bit less dumb. 

I figure she has to be less dumb since she was able to come up with this elaborate persona. I'm just waiting for her to show us something real that proves it. 

Edited December 30, 2017 by MatildaMoody

[ITALIA]

4 hours ago, lezlers said:

I'm part of a facebook gossip group and someone actually texted with Teddy's assistant about the accountability and posted screen shots.  She charges $300 for 2 weeks.  You have to agree to one hour of cardio a day and text her proof.  You  have to follow her meal plan exactly and send her pictures of everything you eat and when.  If you mess up in ANY WAY (like, miss one workout or eat one thing off plan) that's it. She cuts you off and keeps the money.  She said THAT'S how she keeps people accountable.

WHAT a joke.

[Chit Chat]

1 hour ago, MatildaMoody said:

And with all that said, I don't dislike Ericka. I just keep waiting for her to be a real human being and show us something about her life that isn't completely scripted.

I like her too, and I think she would be a good friend to have, but I don't understand the constant need to be in character every time she goes out.  Just be yourself!  

[ButterQueen]

Adrienne - shortest return in history.  ??  I hardly knew ya!!  ?????

Camille - looks pretty, but adds absolutely nothing.

Lisar - she is a snake.  She looks great in a bathing suit though.  Her daughter is a brat.

Dorit - annoying, but harmless.

Erika - bitch, please!  Find your personality & some humor.

Teddi - I like her so far.

Kyle - we got the memo, you're rich....yay!  Now work on your self-confidence. 

LisaV - I love you....but who the hell packed your suitcase?!?!  

Both episodes so far have bored me.  ?

[heatherchandler]

7 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

Adrienne - shortest return in history.  ??  I hardly knew ya!!  ?????

Camille - looks pretty, but adds absolutely nothing.

Lisar - she is a snake.  She looks great in a bathing suit though.  Her daughter is a brat.

Dorit - annoying, but harmless.

Erika - bitch, please!  Find your personality & some humor.

Teddi - I like her so far.

Kyle - we got the memo, you're rich....yay!  Now work on your self-confidence. 

LisaV - I love you....but who the hell packed your suitcase?!?!  

Both episodes so far have bored me.  ?

I agree with everything except Lisar looking good in a bathing suit.  She looks like my 8 year old son!  

[Baltimore Betty]

14 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

I agree with everything except Lisar looking good in a bathing suit.  She looks like my 8 year old son!  

She is what my mother would have called "snake hipped," no curves.

[MatildaMoody]

1 hour ago, ChitChat said:

I like her too, and I think she would be a good friend to have, but I don't understand the constant need to be in character every time she goes out.  Just be yourself!  

I'm  still not sure yet if I like her, I just don't dislike her. She hasn't really given me anything to go on. I'm also not sure if she would be a good friend, since her history on the show doesn't really show that. I mean look at how she turned on Eileen for simply trying to calm down the attack on Dorit, by saying "It's not like she killed your kid." And even after that, she only "made up" with Eileen to make sure she was still going to be allowed to do her scene on Eileen's soap. So, I'm still on the fence about her. IF she were to show us something genuine, I might be able to form an opinion about whether or not I like her. But, I am leaning towards "no" when it comes to whether or not I think she would be a good friend. 

Edited December 30, 2017 by MatildaMoody

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, MatildaMoody said:

I'm  still not sure yet if I like her, I just don't dislike her. She hasn't really given me anything to go on. I'm also not sure if she would be a good friend, since her history on the show doesn't really show that. I mean look at how she turned on Eileen for simply trying to calm down the attack on Dorit, by saying "It's not like she killed your kid." And even after that, she only "made up" with Eileen to make sure she was still going to be allowed to do her scene on Eileen's soap. So, I'm still on the fence about her. IF she were to show us something genuine, I might be able to form an opinion about whether or not I like her. But, I am leaning towards "no" when it comes to whether or not I think she would be a good friend. 

I don't believe genuine and Erika are compatible terms.  Since her introduction it has been the idea she is some great puzzle we are suppose to put together.  It is not that difficult to solve-she has a boatload of money and eventually it brought her fame or maybe just notoriety.  RHOBH is primarily a female audience and Erika's claim to fame is her gay  club patronage following so the idea we alternate between Erika Jayne and Erika Girardi just isn't working.  I can appreciate Erika Jayne is using Bravo to capitalize on her faux persona but where is Erika Girardi step grandma and most likely step grandma to Tom's previous family.  I don;t find her family dynamic all that interesting and we visited her childhood last year and her concern for the son she left behind oh so many years ago.  The elephant in the room is no one ever inquires about Erika's decision to leave her child on the east coast while she pursued a dream that really didn't happen for 15 years.  No RHOBH or even friend of has ever gotten such a pass.  Instead we get this level of sincerity from Erika Jayne:  

  Always the most outrageous.  There is no depth-just bitterness because Erika can do no wrong.  She is essentially the ultimate opportunist and I hope Bravo doesn't think we need to see more of her family relationships she abandoned so long ago.  It is not really a puzzle.  I believe it was super RH fan Heather McDonald who said Erika is a tough guest because essentially there is no there in Erika.  ( I believe Heather actually said she was missing a humor chip.)  Erika bombed on DWTS because she was not able to connect to the audience.  I don't think any of the other women hold her in high regard it is just Andy believes she is some sort of it girl.  Maybe in his shallow world but I don;t think she will ever be anything more than what we have seen.  Her well planned breakdown to introduce her son and her husband in the Hong Kong drama was pretty sad and pretty much a non sequitur.  Erika's worse nightmare will be the day Tom retires and no longer gets a huge cut of the plaintiff payouts.  

[Higgins]

These women must have deformed their feet from decades of torturous shoe wearing. 

Teddi should have said, "I didn't really know my dad either. He was pursuing his dream and we were geographically separated. Kind of like you and your son, Erika Jane. What was it like for him?

"When you live for yourself, you know it's hard on everyone." John Mellencamp, "Big Daddy of them all"

Edited December 30, 2017 by Higgins

[Chit Chat]

9 hours ago, MatildaMoody said:

I'm also not sure if she would be a good friend, since her history on the show doesn't really show that.

I don't think she's betrayed anyone's confidence (correct me if I'm wrong, I can't remember every single conversation!)  I think in that respect, she might be a good friend - at least with the other women.  I don't know what she tells her Glam squad though! I don't think there are many secrets that are safe with any of the housewives.   

[hoodooznoodooz]

15 hours ago, MatildaMoody said:

I'm intrigued by all of these motives being ascribed to Ericka's behavior. For me, she is very much like Kelly B. from New York. She says things that halts conversations or sucks the air out of the room because she doesn't know how to interact with a group of people who aren't fawning over her. She's fine if she is having a one on one conversation, because she can find a way to bring it back to her and her life, like in her first season when she "opened up" to the other new girl. Or, when she and Kyle went to Greece, and Kyle was so in awe of Ericka's show and entourage, that Ericka allowed Kyle to talk about herself before whisking her off for something SHE was comfortable with - taking sexy photos after letting her entourage dress them up. Or, any of her scenes where it was just her and her ultimate fangirl, Eileen. 

Put her in a situation where she has to interact with multiple people, like when Lisa V. Dorit, PK, and Ken were joking about Lisa V's age, and she is lost. Even though they were all having a good laugh over the jokes about Lisa being old, Ericka is suddenly humorless and complaining about Dorit and PK being mean. When Dorit tries to move past the awkwardness by suggesting that Ericka didn't get the British humor, Ericka makes it more awkward by saying Dorit is from Connecticut, as though that had anything whatsoever to do with the conversation, or what Dorit actually said.  Or, when Lisa V, was joking about Kyle's panty lines and tried to include Ericka, and instead of playing along, Ericka stops the conversation by saying that she's not wearing panties (and I firmly believe that even if she had been wearing panties, she would have made that comment anyway to stop the conversation and bring the focus back to her). 

The reason this all reminds me of Kelly is because, like Kelly, I don't think that Ericka is aware that this is how she interacts with groups of people (women in particular). Her comments about how the other lawyers' wives dislike her and how she has never had any close female friendships lead me to believe she does this a lot and has no idea that it is the reason for her issues with other women in general. 

I accept that all of the women who do these shows are narcissists, and I'm grateful for the entertainment, but there are certain types of narcissist that are entertaining, like Lisa V., Kyle, Camille in her heyday, and rarely LisaR. But, there are special cases like Kelly, and Ericka, where it's more than simple narcissism, it's also a complete inability to interact when they are not the sole focus of attention. Or, the way they completely misread the room when they are called upon to interact in that type of social situation. 

And with all that said, I don't dislike Ericka. I just keep waiting for her to be a real human being and show us something about her life that isn't completely scripted. With the possible exception of Yolanda, we've seen some semblance of reality from all of the women except Ericka (I don't count Teddi because she is only 2 episodes in). Even Ericka's visit home with her mom was less about us seeing an aspect of Ericka's life and more about Ericka trotting out her mom (Tamra Barney-style) to prove a point about her upbringing. 

Again, this is a really fantastic analysis.

 I agree with everything you wrote, especially the bolded.

 I do believe that Kelly seems to experience more joy in her life than Erika does. It may be simply a matter of "ignorance is bliss," but Kelly seems to actually like and enjoy her daughters. When Kelly laughs, she actually seems to be having fun. (Even if it's stupid fun.)

When we see Erika with Tom, whom she has declared on camera she "loves," I still don't see genuine joy or affection. She looks so stiff. On the rare occasions that she touches him or he touches her, she seems hyper-aware that this contact might affect her makeup, hair, outfit or his suit.

Even with the glam squad, she doesn't seem so much happy and to be having fun, as to be trying to seem "cool" and she seems a little less guarded, because these guys are never going to criticize her, since she could so easily terminate them and hire a fresh group of sycophants.

Also, on a shallow note, at her peak, I think, without makeup, Kelly was prettier and more naturally sexy than Erika (disregarding Kelly's wonky implants and linebacker shoulders).

Edited December 30, 2017 by hoodooznoodooz

[HunterHunted]

11 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Again, this is a really fantastic analysis.

 I agree with everything you wrote, especially the bolded.

 I do believe that Kelly seems to experience more joy in her life than Erika does. It may be simply a matter of "ignorance is bliss," but Kelly seems to actually like and enjoy her daughters. When Kelly laughs, she actually seems to be having fun. (Even if it's stupid fun.)

When we see Erika with Tom, whom she has declared on camera she "loves," I still don't see genuine joy or affection. She looks so stiff. On the rare occasions that she touches him or he touches her, she seems hyper-aware that this contact might affect her makeup, hair, outfit or his suit.

Even with the glam squad, she doesn't seem so much happy and to be having fun, as to be trying to seem "cool" and she seems a little less guarded, because these guys are never going to criticize her, since she could so easily terminate them and hire a fresh group of sycophants.

Also, on a shallow note, at her peak, I think, without makeup, Kelly was prettier and more naturally sexy than Erika (disregarding Kelly's wonky implants and linebacker shoulders).

I suspect Kelly seems happier because she's achieved more of what she actually wanted. She modeled. She was a wife and mother. She wrote. Erika is a collection of dreams deferred. She wanted to be an actress/performer. She had to wait 20 years to achieve any success on that front. She left her child to achieve a professional success that didn't happen. The biggest problem with Erika as a reality TV personality is that she refuses to open herself up to her castmates and the audience. Her inability to show any vulnerability makes it hard to identify with her. I think she only began to understand that mistake last season.

Edited December 31, 2017 by HunterHunted

[TurtlePower]

4 hours ago, ChitChat said:

I don't think she's betrayed anyone's confidence (correct me if I'm wrong, I can't remember every single conversation!)  I think in that respect, she might be a good friend - at least with the other women.  I don't know what she tells her Glam squad though! I don't think there are many secrets that are safe with any of the housewives.   

I'm not sure she's capable of being a real friend--she's too into herself. Not betraying anyone is a plus, but people like Erika seem to think being her friend is some kind of honor. She uses the I-don't-trust-you-yet schtick as a means of making the person wait for Her Highness's generous approval of being good enough to be in the Erika Club. If Erika was being real, I might have empathy for her. 

That said, it's gotta be hard for any replacement on this show to find their place in this group. So surreal. 

[NeverLate]

15 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

I agree with everything except Lisar looking good in a bathing suit.  She looks like my 8 year old son!  

She's so scrawny! 

[Happy Camper]

Erika's TH bits are  horrible. The gawdy pink lipstick, the awful dress, and also the ugly black dress with the uglier tacky crown.

Honestly, I don't know how Mikey can get away with that. It's really a shame because she is such a beautiful woman. When she wears less makeup her skin glows and she could be stunning, with a different stylist.

[TattleTeeny]

I like looking at her crazy garb. Probably a huge waste of time and energy, but kind of fun. I dig the Disney villain getup, haha! Don't go by me though; I'd celebrate Halloween once a month if I could (...I mean, I guess I could if I wanted?).

Edited December 30, 2017 by TattleTeeny

[AttackTurtle]

I stand by my original opinion that Erika was rude to Teddi.  I just watched the scene again and her whole attitude and demeanor was straight up bitchy.  Vanderpump is a shit stirrer, but she does try to get to know everyone on the show.  

While some of the comments about Erika leaving her son may seem a little harsh, the fact that none of the woman have called her out on it is why I prefer NY to BH.  No way would the NY girls have let Erika have her breakdown on Eileen last year over her “son” and not called her out for leaving that same son behind when he was a toddler.   They also hash their crap out...often hilariously and then move on to something else.

Edited December 30, 2017 by AttackTurtle

[AttackTurtle]

4 hours ago, NeverLate said:

She's so scrawny! 

Lisa R.  does not look healthy.  Kyle has always stood out to me as the prettiest/most natural looking of this bunch.   

[WireWrap]

30 minutes ago, AttackTurtle said:

I stand by my original opinion that Erika was rude to Teddi.  I just watched the scene again and her whole attitude and demeanor was straight up bitchy.  Vanderpump is a shit stirrer, but she does try to get to know everyone on the show.  

While some of the comments about Erika leaving her son may seem a little harsh, the fact that none of the woman have called her out on it is why I prefer NY to BH.  No way would the NY girls have let Erika have her breakdown on Eileen last year over her “son” and not called her out for leaving that same son behind when he was a toddler.   They also hash their crap out...often hilariously and then move on to something else.

Not quite, the NY HWs let Bethenny get away with a lot off camera and never bring it up on camera, like her dating an accused rapist. Some of the BH HWs have tried to allow each other to keep things private unless that HW bring it up themselves, especially when it involves family members/kids no matter their age. 

Edited December 30, 2017 by WireWrap

[lunastartron]

I don't really agree with the premise that Erika has never betrayed any confidences but has herself been the victim of such duplicity. If those points of departure refer to her first season, Kathryn and Erika behaved pretty identically in two important instances. 

Kathryn reported the pejorative commentary from Erika about LVP to LVP*, with whom she was transparently closer, after Erika made no stipulations whatsoever that her opinions were private. 

Likewise, Erika recounted the negative chatter and speculation among the other women about Yolanda to Yolanda, with whom she had more of a substantive connection. 

However, only Erika lied about it when confronted. 

To be clear, I don't think either Kathryn or Erika behaved really objectionably in those instances. If you're talking shit to someone about their friend, you should be able to add 2 and 2 and expect what you're saying to be repeated. 

Erika just desperately wanted to position herself as the victim in that LVP situation. Which is amusing since she leveraged it to get in Kathryn's physical space at a charity event of all places and to scream "cunt" unironically (but she's all about empowering women when she's not hurling misogynistic epithets!) at her. 

*Her "sniper from the side" and "don't get caught in her web" insults were also rich in the context of her view that others have to "earn" HER friendship since she apparently doesn't apply that same standard to herself. Why is anyone going to want to pander to her rudeness (because disparaging others one has just met is not just having a wall up) when she's evidently free to put them down? 

[zoeysmom]

53 minutes ago, AttackTurtle said:

I stand by my original opinion that Erika was rude to Teddi.  I just watched the scene again and her whole attitude and demeanor was straight up bitchy.  Vanderpump is a shit stirrer, but she does try to get to know everyone on the show.  

While some of the comments about Erika leaving her son may seem a little harsh, the fact that none of the woman have called her out on it is why I prefer NY to BH.  No way would the NY girls have let Erika have her breakdown on Eileen last year over her “son” and not called her out for leaving that same son behind when he was a toddler.   They also hash their crap out...often hilariously and then move on to something else.

RHoNY leave some kid bits on the floor.  I believe at some point it is up to Erika, to stop taking the effing bows for being a great mother, and fill in the missing pieces of her puzzle.  Enough of the "poor me I was raised by a single mom" nonsense and let's go deep with why Erika-even after marrying big bucks left her child on the east coast.  Of course no one could comment because they would be accused of picking on Erika.  

One of many things that bothered me about Erika last year is when Rinna was telling her tale of meeting up with Gigi in an elevator, and Erika proclaimed, "it is all Yolanda," of course Rinna chimed in.  Mohamed played a huge role in raising the children.  That was just plain mean spirited.  They failed to get a rise out of LVP but she was seething.  

[AttackTurtle]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

Not quite, the NY HWs let Bethenny get away with a lot off camera and never bring it up on camera, like her dating an accused rapist. Some of the BH HWs have tried to allow each other to keep things private unless that HW bring it up themselves, especially when it involves family members/kids no matter their age. 

I’m a long time Bethany fan and I think the ladies know full well she’s capable of defending herself.  And it’s not like Bethany hasn’t faced  criticism.  Ramona in particular has been extremely harsh to Bethany.  Heather, crazy Kelly, Jill, have all taken shots at Bethany...far worse than anything Erika has ever faced (and Panty gate was Beyond stupid).  Bethany dated an “accused” rapist.    I’ve known and represented “accused” rapists, whom were in fact innocent.  Regardless I don’t see the hypocracy with Bethany as I do do Erika.

 

Erika made a huge deal out of an off the cuff comment from Eileen.  Her son is a grown adult.  Erika chose to make him a subject of discussion.  Once that happened, I’d have had a hard time keeping my mouth shut.  But again, I just can’t wrap my head around the idea of leaving my toddler 3,000 miles away.

Edited December 30, 2017 by AttackTurtle

[ITALIA]

20 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I don't believe genuine and Erika are compatible terms.  Since her introduction it has been the idea she is some great puzzle we are suppose to put together.  It is not that difficult to solve-she has a boatload of money and eventually it brought her fame or maybe just notoriety.  RHOBH is primarily a female audience and Erika's claim to fame is her gay  club patronage following so the idea we alternate between Erika Jayne and Erika Girardi just isn't working.  I can appreciate Erika Jayne is using Bravo to capitalize on her faux persona but where is Erika Girardi step grandma and most likely step grandma to Tom's previous family.  I don;t find her family dynamic all that interesting and we visited her childhood last year and her concern for the son she left behind oh so many years ago.  The elephant in the room is no one ever inquires about Erika's decision to leave her child on the east coast while she pursued a dream that really didn't happen for 15 years.  No RHOBH or even friend of has ever gotten such a pass.  Instead we get this level of sincerity from Erika Jayne:  

  Always the most outrageous.  There is no depth-just bitterness because Erika can do no wrong.  She is essentially the ultimate opportunist and I hope Bravo doesn't think we need to see more of her family relationships she abandoned so long ago.  It is not really a puzzle.  I believe it was super RH fan Heather McDonald who said Erika is a tough guest because essentially there is no there in Erika.  ( I believe Heather actually said she was missing a humor chip.)  Erika bombed on DWTS because she was not able to connect to the audience.  I don't think any of the other women hold her in high regard it is just Andy believes she is some sort of it girl.  Maybe in his shallow world but I don;t think she will ever be anything more than what we have seen.  Her well planned breakdown to introduce her son and her husband in the Hong Kong drama was pretty sad and pretty much a non sequitur.  Erika's worse nightmare will be the day Tom retires and no longer gets a huge cut of the plaintiff payouts.  

NOTE to EriCka - You look like a TRASHY hooker. Nice fake tits, gold digger. Did your ugly, old man Tom the d bag buy them for you?

[film noire]

On 12/26/2017 at 9:04 PM, KungFuBunny said:

OMG Adrienne looked just like Joan Rivers

In the grave? ; )

Edited December 31, 2017 by film noire

[Sweet-tea]

On 12/27/2017 at 8:58 PM, WireWrap said:

Rinna repeated her coke accusation at the reunion, so alcohol was not the cause of her nasty comment.

I didn't say alcohol was the cause, because no one knows what caused her to say it but Rinna. I said she looked drunk and her filter seemed compromised. She may very well have been thinking about them doing coke, and alcohol could have loosened her lips. It seemed to kind of come out of the blue as sometimes happens when people are drunk. Not excusing her comments but pointing out that much of the spiteful, nasty remarks seem to come when the women are drinking. As for the reunion, the cat was already out of the bag. 

Edited December 31, 2017 by Sweet-tea

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, Sweet-tea said:

I didn't say alcohol was the cause. I said she looked drunk and her filter was compromised. She may very well have been thinking about them doing coke, and alcohol could have loosened her lips. It seemed to kind of come out of the blue as sometimes happens when people are drunk. As for the reunion, the cat was already out of the bag. 

I don't think she was drunk when she said it in HC either. Rinna has this habit of spewing lies sober, she doesn't need alcohol to do it, never has. Like telling Eden that "Kim was near death", she was stone cold sober when she said it, the same with Munchausen/Yolanda. She says these things, lies, against someone when she is trying to cuddle up to/impress someone that dislikes the person she attacks. Rinna was trying to get Eden on her side when she talked shite about Kim/Kyle, she was trying to impress Lisa/Kyle when she went after Yolanda, she was slithering up to Erika when she did the coke accusation against Dorit/PK. This is part of Rinna's MO, attach herself to a power HW like a leach attaches to it's host. LOL

[Anne Thrax]

On 12/26/2017 at 6:45 PM, WhoaWhoKnew said:

I'm not feeling Teddi's ~I'm too mature for this~ attitude. 

 I got the same feeling.  Like she's applauding herself for being so much more humble than the others -- just a humble everyday girl with a world famous dad but wants people to know how unaffected she is by it.  Seems like they live high for people who have to work for their money at fairly nebulous careers.  She almost goes so far as to poor-mouth, but then she catches herself and changes it to her choice.  No wonder in her TH she admits she's intimidated by Erika (to be fair, she is the youngest HW on the show and seems not all that worldly).

[zoeysmom]

2 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

I didn't say alcohol was the cause, because no one knows what caused her to say it but Rinna. I said she looked drunk and her filter seemed compromised. She may very well have been thinking about them doing coke, and alcohol could have loosened her lips. It seemed to kind of come out of the blue as sometimes happens when people are drunk. Not excusing her comments but pointing out that much of the spiteful, nasty remarks seem to come when the women are drinking. As for the reunion, the cat was already out of the bag. 

This is what Rinna does-she makes these earth shattering statements and then later seeks to back them up because she is all about the truth-well her truth anyway.  Rinna at the Reunion upped the ante on the cocaine allegations.  It was interesting to me that PK let the air out of her balloon when he stated not only was he not using cocaine that night but had never used it in his life.

When Rinna and Dorit were having their chat on the Ferris wheel, Rinna tried to make it sound as if Dorit (and PK) and hurt her so deeply with a few minor comments about her which were responsive to her words which were fairly devastating during the season.  I believe Dorit was talking about what went down at the Reunion-not Hong Kong.  So it wasn't really a rehash.  I really didn't think  Dorit needed to own anything.  Or make a mutual apology.  PK was very polite to Rinna at the Reunion and in fact called out her phoniness about the night of the party where she alleged cocaine was being used.  I am kind of tired of Rinna blowing stuff out her over inflated lips, others reacting and then her trivializing her behavior.  If she is in conflict with Kim it always goes back to what Kim implied about Harry, with Dorit it was the comment she did not make but Rinna demands she own-Dorit never said Rinna had a problem with Xanax.  To me, if you are going to hold someone accountable, you should probably make sure the person said the words-not what you want them to say to excuse your own behavior.

[TattleTeeny]

4 hours ago, ITALIA said:

NOTE to EriCka - You look like a TRASHY hooker. Nice fake tits, gold digger. Did your ugly, old man Tom the d bag buy them for you?

Fake boobs?! A wealthy husband paying for something for his wife?! Well, now I've heard everything. 

 

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It could be the beer, but I laughed way too hard at this.

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[mbaywife123]

Good grief, Adrienne has arrived at the Fancy Feast (TM) face territory.

I wish Erika would just pat her magic puss button and vanish off our tv screens.

[TurtlePower]

11 hours ago, Anne Thrax said:

 I got the same feeling.  Like she's applauding herself for being so much more humble than the others -- just a humble everyday girl with a world famous dad but wants people to know how unaffected she is by it.  Seems like they live high for people who have to work for their money at fairly nebulous careers.  She almost goes so far as to poor-mouth, but then she catches herself and changes it to her choice.  No wonder in her TH she admits she's intimidated by Erika (to be fair, she is the youngest HW on the show and seems not all that worldly).

Teddi's life really isn't too far off from the others, seems pretty privileged to me, I just think she wants to appreciate things and not take it for granted. Still, I cringed when she found herself admittedly "trying too hard" to warm up to Erika. F-that! Erika is intimidating on purpose, she enjoys making people feel uneasy around her. Teddi's got Erika beat in the physique and personality department; she should let Erika come to her. And if Erika doesn't, oh well. 

I can see Erika being catty either way. Either Teddi will try too hard, or not hard enough. 

[Wings]

33 minutes ago, TurtlePower said:

Teddi's life really isn't too far off from the others, seems pretty privileged to me, I just think she wants to appreciate things and not take it for granted. Still, I cringed when she found herself admittedly "trying too hard" to warm up to Erika. F-that! Erika is intimidating on purpose, she enjoys making people feel uneasy around her. Teddi's got Erika beat in the physique and personality department; she should let Erika come to her. And if Erika doesn't, oh well. 

I can see Erika being catty either way. Either Teddi will try too hard, or not hard enough. 

Just let Erika be.  It seems she enjoys people trying to gain her friendship as she watches them squirm.  The entire cast tolerates her only because she is there.  No friendships exist.  

Teddi, let the others discover who you are, no need to tell them you are humble.  If you are then it will show up.  

[Anne Thrax]

On 12/28/2017 at 1:27 AM, AttackTurtle said:

I’m not an Erika fan and she was downright rude to Teddi.  I think Erika may be a tad jealous of the new girl.  Her dad was a huge deal back in his heyday.  Teddi, if to be believed didn’t live off his dime (although the name couldn’t hurt).  Her dad dates Meg Ryan and is genuinely respected for his contributions to Farm Aid.  Erika had to marry a guy decades older than her to get the funding for her “music”.  I was pissed when Erika cut Teddi off because I wanted to hear more about Teddi’s upbringing.

John Mellencamp definitely got around in his early years.  He had one daughter with his first wife.  From the looks of the stats, Teddi's mother was p.g. with her when he split with wife number 1, and married Teddi's mom a little more than a month before Teddi was born.  Four years later they had another daughter.  Her parents divorced when she was 8 years old.  He married again when Teddi was 11, and had two more kids (boys) with his third wife, with whom he had his longest marriage (18 years).

For Teddi's first marriage in 2006, she had a lavish wedding (11 bridesmaids, 11 groomsmen) on her father's sprawling lakeside property in Indiana. It didn't last long -- she filed for divorce in 2009.  The divorce became final in 2010, and in 2011, she and Edwin (her current husband) were married at a destination wedding in Paris while her father was on tour there.  Edwin was born in Colombia and his parents moved to Huntington Park when he was a toddler.  He has a young daughter - some sites say from a previous marriage; others "a previous relationship".  She looks to be about 7 years old -- which makes the 2011 marriage look like it was right on the heels of that kid's birth.

WTF Factor: Teddi is not certified as a fitness instructor or nutritionist.

Edited December 31, 2017 by Anne Thrax

[Anne Thrax]

On 12/27/2017 at 4:28 PM, ChitChat said:

Some of the best and funniest posts come from the typos we all make, and the subsequent reply posts.  I'm so glad that we can all come here and have a few laughs - even at our own expense sometimes.  Thanks for being a good sport about the pugs!  It certainly produced some creative gifs!

They all seemed rather chummy considering how catty they were to each other the last time we saw them (reunion.)  I wonder if they made amends off camera.  I'm sure the good feelings won't last though.  They never do.  

I wondered about that myself while watching this episode -- it made me think Bravo producers sat them all down and gave them a lecture on how the new season is going to proceed.  Instead of all the backbiting and feuding, which the fans have made clear they're getting tired of, they were all to do their best to become pals and get along (maybe in hopes of gaining back some of the lost viewers?).  The 180 sure seems odd.

[ladle]

Does Adrienne's excessively swollen face cause her pain?  Why was Dorit dressed like a cult follower?  Why was Lisa V. dressed in two separate Edwardian school marm outfits?  How does Lisa R.'s upper lip seemingly defy gravity?  How does someone as seemingly quiet and boring as Teddi get cast on a reality show?   
 

So many questions...

[zoeysmom]

5 minutes ago, Anne Thrax said:

John Mellencamp definitely got around in his early years.  He had one daughter with his first wife.  From the looks of the stats, Teddi's mother was p.g. with her when he split with wife number 1, and married Teddi's mom a little more than a month before Teddi was born.  Four years later they had another daughter.  Her parents divorced when she was 8 years old.  He married again when Teddi was 11, and had two more kids (boys) with his third wife, with whom he had his longest marriage (18 years).

For Teddi's first marriage in 2006, she had a lavish wedding (11 bridesmaids, 11 groomsmen) on her father's sprawling lakeside property in Indiana. It didn't last long -- she filed for divorce in 2009.  The divorce became final in 2010, and in 2011, she and Edwin (her current husband) were married at a destination wedding in Paris while her father was on tour there.  Edwin was born in Colombia and his parents moved to Huntington Park when he was a toddler.  He has a young daughter - some sites say from a previous marriage; others "a previous relationship".  She looks to be about 7 years old -- which makes the 2011 marriage look like it was right on the heels on that kid's birth.

WTF Factor: Teddi is not certified as a fitness instructor or nutritionist.

Thanks for the bio on JCM.  I just remember hearing when JCM became a grandpa at 37 years of age.  He likes the ladies.  

Teddi is apparently certified in texting reminders.  Accountability reminders for a mere non-refundable $300.00 a week (or is it two weeks?).  I wonder how many clients she has?  When I read the clients had to certify they worked out all I could think of was Pumps from Sweet Home Oklahoma putting her Fit-Bit around her dog's neck and throwing the tennis ball.

5 minutes ago, Anne Thrax said:

I wondered about that myself while watching this episode -- it made me think Bravo producers sat them all down and gave them a lecture on how the new season is going to proceed.  Instead of all the backbiting and feuding, which the fans have made clear they're getting tired of, they were all to do their best to become pals and get along (maybe in hopes of gaining back some of the lost viewers?).  The 180 sure seems odd.

Obviously Rinna must have gotten the word, judging by Harry's encounter with Kyle.  I also noticed there was a little bit of snubbery from Kyle and LVP regarding not attending Erika's DWTS four/five performances.  Oh oops our schedules were booked.  So there was definitely a get in line ladies-Eileen is out moment.  There is a reason Rinna is doing the I am going to be the nicest kindest person ever.  Rinna overplayed and Bravo wants Boy George more than Harry "Ham it up" Hamlin.  This show was never designed to have a soloist.  Erika is wise she knows she has to dial it back.  At the Reunion she did extend an olive branch after much over the top behavior to Dorit and PK.  Smart lady.  

[itsadryheat]

On 12/28/2017 at 9:32 AM, psychoticstate said:

Regardless, her kids do seem like snotty little brats.

Done with them when we first met during their trip to Lisa's stomping grounds in Oregon first season(?). 

Lisa is driving around showing the little jerks where she grew up and one or both started in on slamming the locals.

Good job Rinna & Hamlin. Chips off the old blocks.

[WhoaWhoKnew]

2 minutes ago, itsadryheat said:

 

Lisa is driving around showing the little jerks where she grew up and one or both started in on slamming the locals.

I would have been so offended if my kids stuck their noses up at where I was from and my family still lived. Rinna seemed to think it was SEW adorbs!!!1 though.

[Hockey Addict]

Wow, we're already a couple episodes in and I haven't found anything twitter rant worthy yet. However, Dorit? If you're going o confront someone, don't do it in a farris wheel type ride in mid air. The ground level is safer for that kind of thing.

[renatae]

The outfits! It's as though there had been a charity benefit wherein all the privileged are asked to take clothes from a discount house trash bag and wear them for a day. Or else high fashion has hit a new low. I had to re-watch The Devil Wears Prada in order to cleanse the sight from my brain. Except for some of those hideous outfits Emily wears.

[Maharincess]

21 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I don't think she was drunk when she said it in HC either. Rinna has this habit of spewing lies sober, she doesn't need alcohol to do it, never has. Like telling Eden that "Kim was near death", she was stone cold sober when she said it, the same with Munchausen/Yolanda. She says these things, lies, against someone when she is trying to cuddle up to/impress someone that dislikes the person she attacks. Rinna was trying to get Eden on her side when she talked shite about Kim/Kyle, she was trying to impress Lisa/Kyle when she went after Yolanda, she was slithering up to Erika when she did the coke accusation against Dorit/PK. This is part of Rinna's MO, attach herself to a power HW like a leach attaches to it's host. LOL

What is HC? I usually ask what these things mean but this time I Googled instead and all I got was "horse cock" and I knew that couldn't be right. I miss words. 

[WireWrap]

1 minute ago, Maharincess said:

What is HC? I usually ask what these things mean but this time I Googled instead and all I got was "horse cock" and I knew that couldn't be right. I miss words. 

LOL! Hong Kong, I meant to type HK, not HC! My bad, sorry!

[Maharincess]

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8 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

LOL! Hong Kong, I meant to type HK, not HC! My bad, sorry!

I knew horse cock wasn't right!!  Lol. 

[Wings]

5 hours ago, Anne Thrax said:

I wondered about that myself while watching this episode -- it made me think Bravo producers sat them all down and gave them a lecture on how the new season is going to proceed.  Instead of all the backbiting and feuding, which the fans have made clear they're getting tired of, they were all to do their best to become pals and get along (maybe in hopes of gaining back some of the lost viewers?).  The 180 sure seems odd.

I think Bravo did have a chat with them but not about being pals.  They probably asked them to leave the issues of past seasons behind; no more beating those dead horses.  I am pretty sure Bravo wants them to have conflict!  New conflict. 

I love your user name!  

[ITALIA]

6 hours ago, ladle said:

Does Adrienne's excessively swollen face cause her pain?  Why was Dorit dressed like a cult follower?  Why was Lisa V. dressed in two separate Edwardian school marm outfits?  How does Lisa R.'s upper lip seemingly defy gravity?  How does someone as seemingly quiet and boring as Teddi get cast on a reality show?   
 

So many questions...

I'll add one more. Why is EriCa on the show? She's a TOTAL narcissistic beyotch and has NOTHING to offer.

[grisgris]

My favorite moment when Kyle showed her old picture from JCM days and then cut to her TH and she cheerfully chirpped, "Nothing's changed." (When the nose job was so obvious.) I know she specifically mentioned her eyebrows, hair and makeup, but it was still funny because the difference was so noticeable. (Actually, her present day eyebrows, hair and makeup all looked different from the photo, but whatever ... she says ... )
 

[ITALIA]

7 hours ago, Anne Thrax said:

John Mellencamp definitely got around in his early years.  He had one daughter with his first wife.  From the looks of the stats, Teddi's mother was p.g. with her when he split with wife number 1, and married Teddi's mom a little more than a month before Teddi was born.  Four years later they had another daughter.  Her parents divorced when she was 8 years old.  He married again when Teddi was 11, and had two more kids (boys) with his third wife, with whom he had his longest marriage (18 years).

For Teddi's first marriage in 2006, she had a lavish wedding (11 bridesmaids, 11 groomsmen) on her father's sprawling lakeside property in Indiana. It didn't last long -- she filed for divorce in 2009.  The divorce became final in 2010, and in 2011, she and Edwin (her current husband) were married at a destination wedding in Paris while her father was on tour there.  Edwin was born in Colombia and his parents moved to Huntington Park when he was a toddler.  He has a young daughter - some sites say from a previous marriage; others "a previous relationship".  She looks to be about 7 years old -- which makes the 2011 marriage look like it was right on the heels of that kid's birth.

WTF Factor: Teddi is not certified as a fitness instructor or nutritionist.

JM sounds like a TYPICAL rock star d bag. So Teddi had an over-the-top wedding that ending in divorce. LMAO - NOT surprising. The fact that people pay Teddi, who is uncertified in anything related to diet or exercise, is beyond ignorant. Her only claim to fame is that JM is her father - YAWN!!!

[Rubyslippahz]

12 hours ago, Anne Thrax said:

John Mellencamp definitely got around in his early years.  He had one daughter with his first wife.  From the looks of the stats, Teddi's mother was p.g. with her when he split with wife number 1, and married Teddi's mom a little more than a month before Teddi was born.  Four years later they had another daughter.  Her parents divorced when she was 8 years old.  He married again when Teddi was 11, and had two more kids (boys) with his third wife, with whom he had his longest marriage (18 years).

For Teddi's first marriage in 2006, she had a lavish wedding (11 bridesmaids, 11 groomsmen) on her father's sprawling lakeside property in Indiana. It didn't last long -- she filed for divorce in 2009.  The divorce became final in 2010, and in 2011, she and Edwin (her current husband) were married at a destination wedding in Paris while her father was on tour there.  Edwin was born in Colombia and his parents moved to Huntington Park when he was a toddler.  He has a young daughter - some sites say from a previous marriage; others "a previous relationship".  She looks to be about 7 years old -- which makes the 2011 marriage look like it was right on the heels of that kid's birth.

WTF Factor: Teddi is not certified as a fitness instructor or nutritionist.

My understanding is Mellencamp maybe dumped his first wife for Teddis mom Victoria... Not sure the timing between when he divorced Victoria and got with his third wife supermodel Elaine Irwin.   It appears from those first wedding pics of Teddi that she is or was close with Elaine.  

Teddis younger sister Justice owns a hair salon in Hilton Head.   

It would be awesome if Mellencamp started appearing on RH because he is so notoriously cranky and crabby.   I want to see him bitch people out and then play a little 'Cherry Bomb' on his guitar.