S07.E04: SYSTEM OVERLOAD 2017.12.11

[druzy]

Maci wants Ryan to pass a drug test before he can see Bentley. Farrah travels abroad for work and leaves Sophia in Michael’s care. Catelynn and Tyler launch their kids clothing line but run into issues. Amber and Matt try to save their relationship.

[VioletNevermind]

Leah is a truly lovely girl, inside and out.  Her earnest, open, trusting little face melts my cold heart to a puddle of goo every time.  Amber, get your shit together, drop the dead weight (Matt!), and parent your daughter!

[Brooklynista]

Does Farrah own the whole strip mall?? She went from door to door to door checking on real businesses with real staff. While Tyler nurses a website that crashes after 2 visitors. And those were just lookey loos.

Go head girl! Thats why they hate you.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Brooklynista

[guilfoyleatpp]

Rhiiiinnne wants to be a daddy now? What brought this on?

[druzy]

C&T are pathetic lottery winners who are losing it all. They can't sleep because they are nervous about a website launch which markets a total of 6 outfits. How in the world will they pack and ship everything? Stupid fools. 

Cate didn't go to the stables because the website crashed! Now they were cyber attacked! Call the FBI! 

Edited December 12, 2017 by druzy

[Brooklynista]

And now Mackenzie is glued to Ryan's arm in every scene. Way to go Mackenzie! She is definitely the winner in the hanger-on glow up.

[LilaFowler]

Heroin!!!!??? Wow. Holy shit. I always thought it was pills but clearly I underestimated Ryan.

Farrah is always bawling.

[poeticlicensed]

Debra and her hair and hats! Need I say more?

[guilfoyleatpp]

Is it editing or is Farrah way more of a normal fucking person without Deb in the picture?

Jesus God, Larry. How fucking bad was it that being able to understand what Rhiiine is saying on the phone is a great thing?

[Mr. Miner]

The C&T scenes are Emmy worthy...JFC MTV!

Edited December 12, 2017 by Mr. Minor

[Caracoa1]

When are we ever going to see Catelynn get her fat ass on her horse and go for a ride?......being as how she's a big-time equestrian an all!  She wanted that damn horse and now she doesn't even come on the weekends to spend time with her.... She'll lose interest quickly and soon the horse will be back on the market.

[UGAmp]

I need a gif of Befuddled Tyler during his conversation with Catelynn as the website crashed. I don’t know if I’ve ever laughed so hard at this show. He was just SILENT (and you know that’s a feat itself) since she said something supportive but in a really hostile tone and he didn’t know how to respond. 

Leah is the sweetest. Bentley is also the sweetest. And Sophia was pretty cute hiding the note in Farrah’s suitcase. But the number of times they had to talk about how she wouldn’t play hide and seek while Farrah was gone was TOO MANY. There’s a story there. 

Catelynn you’ve been on TV too long to be pulling some of the faces you did tonight. Yikes...

Edited December 12, 2017 by UGAmp

[poeticlicensed]

Ryan didn't sound exactly confident confident about passing drug screens. 

[ClassyCourtHeels]

All I can think is holy shit Ryan’s house is tight as hell.

 

How the hell does he afford that with his extracurriculars (he’s clearly still using)?

Edited December 12, 2017 by ClassyCourtHeels

[guilfoyleatpp]

57 minutes ago, druzy said:

Cate didn't go to the stables because the website crashed! Now they were cyber attacked! Call the FBI! 

Did anyone else think when Tyler started talking about the call he got saying their website was attacked that he was going to go on and tell a story about how he paid the person on the phone hundreds of dollars to fix it like one of those scams?

 

I mean, I guess he did essentially do that, but I thought it would end up with the phone person taking control of his computer and holding it hostage.

Edited December 12, 2017 by guilfoyleatpp

[WhosThatGirl]

Farrah was normal. Again.

All the stuff with Ryan is actually kind of sad. 

Cate and Tyler are having panic attacks because they’ve put all their money into clothing designs for kids with a crashing website. Also Cate is good at packing clothes! 

Amber.. ugh. Poor Leah.

[Linny]

I hated Ryan's comment about Maci "never helping him in any sort of way" when it comes to Bentley. No, dude, it's not Maci's job to cater to you and make your fatherhood easier. You want to be a parent, fucking pull your own weight. Prove you're drug free, prove you can provide a stable environment, prove you can be trusted behind the wheel of a car, prove you're reliable and can commit to being a constant presence in Bentley's life. These aren't impossible hoops to jump through set up by Mean Old Maci, this is bare minimum Parenting 101.

Also, that huge pause that lingered after Ryan's attorney asked about him passing drug screenings was very telling, IMO. I think he's struggling more than he's letting on, which is completely understandable, but it makes me wish even more that he'd wait until he's more settled into sobriety before starting a custody war.

Real talk, what the hell is wrong with Debra? She says she doesn't want to look old, but there's a difference between maintaining a youthful vitality and walking around with two feet of ratty extensions while wearing an outfit rejected from Kylie Jenner's closet. She seems really fragile, too, both emotionally and mentally. I don't blame Farrah for leaving Sophia with Michael instead of Debra, I don't think I'd trust her to watch a goldfish, much less a child.

I visited Cate and Tyler's website but checked out the moment I saw a fringed tank top for a toddler. I don't know who the market is for these ugly, uninspired clothes but it's definitely not me.

Leah is such a genuinely kind, sweet kid. I hope Gary can continue to foster those traits as she ages, because I worry about Amber's influence. Her obnoxious bragging about being single and her newfound attention from men shows me exactly where her priorities lie, and it's not with Leah.

[druzy]

9 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

Ryan didn't sound exactly confident confident about passing drug screens. 

Ryan's eyes didn't look exactly confident about passing drug screens. 

[beesknees]

It is hard being parents of a drug addict.  I do feel sorry for Larry and Jen.  You worry about your kids non stop.  It is never ending.  Having said that, Maci is doing the right thing.  Ryan has to earn trust back.  It's not a given.  Cate and Tyler and that website.  OY.  Try to pull up anything "tierra reign" (or whatever the hell it's called) and nothing loads.  During Christmas time ....  Huh.

Sophia looks like the unhappiest kid on the planet.  Glitter marijuana leaf indeed.  I wish Farrah didn't think she had to do porn.  Debra's shiny, plastic face, horrible extensions, and that 1960's mod-hat.  Yeah, uh, about that .... Her male friend out-of-nowhere needs to say something to her.

Edited December 12, 2017 by beesknees

[WhosThatGirl]

I’ve looked at all the girls- tm2 includes- fashion websites and yeah.. they’re all.. nothing spectacular. Anyways.

The stuff with Ryan and Maci doesn’t make me like anyone there. I dislike Maci, I dislike ryan, I dislike Maxkienzine, etc.

The stuff with Farrah makes me sad for her. The scene where she started to cry in the restaurant was sad. Debra refuses to acknowledge that she hurt Farrah and I’ve said t before, I think Farrah jumped the gun by calling the police and causing it to be something it didn’t need to be but Debra refuses to even believe she has problems in her behavior. I don’t quite understand how they could have a relationship when Debra refuses to believe her faults as well. 

[LilaFowler]

23 minutes ago, UGAmp said:

I need a gif of Befuddled Tyler during his conversation with Catelynn as the website crashed. I don’t know if I’ve ever laughed so hard at this show. He was just SILENT (and you know that’s a feat itself) since she said something supportive but in a really hostile tone and he didn’t know how to respond. 

I need a gif of Cate saying, "I don't even know what that means!" after he told her the error message. Hilarious.

[pheebs]

Sweet baby jeebus - was there a competition to be the most ridiculous looking person on television tonight?

See: DebzOG's expounding on not looking stupid while wearing a spangled newsboy cap some 85-year-old lady sitting on the penny slots at some dumpy casino would be wearing. Cue Alanis Morrisette.

Ambuh's going full-on Ethel Mertz with that whatever it was wrapped around her head.

Farrah - that "dumpsuit" looked a hot mess. Your ass is waaay too big for that.

Maci's ratty, off kilter bun resembled a dog poop plopped on her head. Also, she was channeling the worst waitress at the worst truck stop in Abalama. Alabama.

Mack's micro-expression that flickered across her face as Rhiiine proclaimed his drug-free status was priceless. Homegirl has no pokerface whatso evs.

Cate is a ratchet mess. Love the polyester poncho. Again with the senior-citizen casino gear.

Why, why, why... do they all look ready for support hose and those fold-up plastic rain scarves?

Wasn't DebzOG's new bestie "Matt," a hoot? He was really throwing some side-eye shade!

[Maire]

So within a week of shipping off to Boot Camp Amber was seeing a guy (presumably the current baby daddy). But it's ok because he is certified on twitter! 

[Chris Knight]

Tyler watching his 6-outfit site crash was ridiculous. He's so dumb, envisioning himself as some kind of mogul. The website crashes so they decide to go out for a drive, of course.

What business could Farrah possibly be conducting overseas ?

Debra, your hair is too long and ratty. She should look for style tips from Jen. Jen's hair is cute and age appropriate,  and she dresses ok.

I liked Larry's speech about how they ? Ryan and will always be there for him. Sadly, I think rehab usually takes a few tries before progress is made.

[GreatKazu]

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The stuff with Ryan and Maci doesn’t make me like anyone there. I dislike Maci, I dislike ryan, I dislike Maxkienzine, etc.

I am with you @WhosThatGirl

Sure Ryan needs to gain trust with people, but Maci knew since 2012 Ryan had a drug issue. He went to rehab  five years ago for Christ's sake! She did nothing to protect her child. Only now that Ryan put his drug addiction out there (via driving while under the influence on camera) did Maci step up and start putting on the appearance that she needs to hold Ryan accountable and she will protect her child. It keeps her from having to answer about the previous five years of her enabling Ryan and not putting him on check with the courts. She had her own selfish needs to keep things on the down low such as keeping Jen and Larry as her babysitters. As for Larry and Jen, yeah, being parents of a drug addict has to be one of the hardest things to deal with, however, they stood around enabling him, coddling him, and being the replacements for Ryan when he couldn't do his fatherly duties. And now, it seems they continue to enable him. They are where they are at right now because they didn't put the kibosh on Ryan long ago. 

Edited December 12, 2017 by GreatKazu

[snarts]

Per Ryan's call with the attorney, they've never been to court and he has no set visitation with Bentley. Maci has 100% legal & physical custody, what more could she have done to protect Bentley? 

I'm sorry, but i have a hard time thinking Maci should've known the extent of Ryan's drug issues when his own family & girlfriend allowed him to be filmed on a tv show. Heck, i gasped when he said heroin. Now she's doing what she can to further protect Bentley and she's still getting flack?

[Marley]

How does Ryan afford a house like that ? I thought he was in some crap apartment.

Tyler and Catelynn make me laugh. They really do think very high of themselves. Tyler trying to say he joked on the phone about being a reality star - im sure he was totally serious on the phone lol.

Ryan is a joke. Step up and figure it out if you wanna spend time with your son.

[GreatKazu]

29 minutes ago, snarts said:

Per Ryan's call with the attorney, they've never been to court and he has no set visitation with Bentley. Maci has 100% legal & physical custody, what more could she have done to protect Bentley? 

I'm sorry, but i have a hard time thinking Maci should've known the extent of Ryan's drug issues when his own family & girlfriend allowed him to be filmed on a tv show. Heck, i gasped when he said heroin. Now she's doing what she can to further protect Bentley and she's still getting flack?

Maci went to mediation regarding child support when Ryan wasn't paying. She sat with the attorney and balked at Ryan being allowed one extra day of visitation. It may have only gone to mediation, but there was some sort of visitation in place. Someone posted the info just last week when that was brought up. 

What Maci could have done is gone to court and requested no visitation take place unless it was SUPERVISED visitation and court-ordered drug testing. If he pissed dirty, he answers to the court and any visitation is denied. 

Edited December 12, 2017 by GreatKazu

[FlowerofCarnage]

I sympathize with Jenn and Larry in regards to confronting Ryan about his drug problem. What could they really do since they legally can't force him to get help? 

[GreatKazu]

Just now, FlowerofCarnage said:

I sympathize with Jenn and Larry in regards to confronting Ryan about his drug problem. What could they really do since they legally can't force him to get help? 

No one can force anyone into treatment. But they could have stopped the enabling long ago. It isn't an easy thing to do, but that is the one thing family and others are told when dealing with an addict. In fact, Maci was told just that when she talked to the specialist on the phone last season. 

[LilaFowler]

I'm sure someone else is paying for his sweet little abode just like the last time he was thrown out of his parents house. He doesn't have any money himself. I highly doubt Mackenzie does.

[GreatKazu]

Just now, LilaFowler said:

I'm sure someone else is paying for his sweet little abode just like the last time he was thrown out of his parents house. He doesn't have any money himself. I highly doubt Mackenzie does.

Exactly. The enabling continues.

[ClassyCourtHeels]

55 minutes ago, LilaFowler said:

I'm sure someone else is paying for his sweet little abode just like the last time he was thrown out of his parents house. He doesn't have any money himself. I highly doubt Mackenzie does.

Do Ryan’s folks really have that kind of money? I always thought they had a decent amount but nothing too extravagant.

 

I guess the property could be a vacation home they own if they paid off their primary home. I can’t imagine they’d spend the kind of money to buy or rent that place for Ryan. It looked like an amazing piece of property. Probably my favorite I’ve seen in this franchise. I was legitimately jealous. And they already have a pretty nice home. Why not have him live there? Mac may play a role in their thoughts I guess but if they’re paying for that it has to be a small fortune.

Edited December 12, 2017 by ClassyCourtHeels

[mamadrama]

Ryan's house COULD be a rental. Some of these people pay lots of money each month to lease cars so I could see it happening. Many of these celebrities go out to LA and "buy" over-the-top mansions when, in actuality, they're renting them. Chattanooga prices aren't terrible. He could be paying $2,000-3,000 per month and his TM money would cover it. However, it won't cover it for long. None of these people are good with money but the ones who have reasonable homes (Maci, for one, even though I don't like to give her credit) are smarter about it. 

In an attempt to look "uppa class", my aunt rented a mansion in a nearby town a few years ago. It cost $1.2 million to buy but it had been on the market for so long that they rented it out. No way could she get approved for a mortgage for it or even put down a down-payment but she could afford the rent at $2,200 a month (she went in with another family member). 

[guilfoyleatpp]

When they kept showing Jeni's red eyes and blinking back tears reactions to Larry's monologue, it reminded me of William Hurt's reaction shots in "Broadcast News."

 

And then I remember how we all understood that was horrifying for Holly Hunter's character, and how far we've gone downhill from there.

Edited December 12, 2017 by guilfoyleatpp

[LotusFlower]

Did you notice Larry talked about Ryan’s “thirty” days in rehab?  Oh boy, still in denial.  It was 21 days, and he left early.  Plus, he certainly sounded defensive about whether he and Jen knew about Ryan’s addiction.  I’m sure they got a lot of flak for their enabling.  

[LilaFowler]

Yeah I guess I just assume that Ryan's house is a rental. He wasn't living there before all this, was he? Then he and Mack had their stoned, hurry up wedding and he goes to rehab. There's a child involved (Mack's) so I could see Jen and Larry and possibly Mack's parents splitting rent on something that was move in ready with all that was going on. I don't think they own it.

[SPLAIN]

3 hours ago, Mr. Minor said:

The C&T scenes are Emmy worthy...JFC MTV!

More like the Razzies.

Cate is so playing up for the cameras, it is nauseating. I noticed she has been quickly glancing at the camera during her talking scenes.

Amber and that head scarf.

 

2 hours ago, snarts said:

Per Ryan's call with the attorney, they've never been to court and he has no set visitation with Bentley. Maci has 100% legal & physical custody, what more could she have done to protect Bentley? 

I'm sorry, but i have a hard time thinking Maci should've known the extent of Ryan's drug issues when his own family & girlfriend allowed him to be filmed on a tv show. Heck, i gasped when he said heroin. Now she's doing what she can to further protect Bentley and she's still getting flack?

The Edwards and Mack allowed Ryan to film this tv show? Ryan is not a minor. He is an adult. A druggie, but nonetheless, he is an adult. I have no clue what that has to do with St. Maci of Bud Light and what her duties are as a parent to the child she shares with Ryan.  IMO the first time Maci was aware there was a drug problem is when she should have gotten her ass in gear. Not sit around and wait to see to what extent his drug problem is. If someone is doing illegal drugs, that is a problem.

As for court, Maci did take Ryan to court when he failed to pay child support. I believe he had missed two payments. During the process, a visitation schedule was set up, but I don't believe it was signed by a judge. It was an informal visitation. I recall Maci was quite upset at Ryan being given an additional day to his schedule. All of this happened during the time Maci was living with Kyle King. http://starcasm.net/archives/66239

22 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

Did you notice Larry talked about Ryan’s “thirty” days in rehab?  Oh boy, still in denial.  It was 21 days, and he left early.  Plus, he certainly sounded defensive about whether he and Jen knew about Ryan’s addiction.  I’m sure they got a lot of flak for their enabling.  

I sure did. That is why Maci is acting as if she was in the dark because she doesn't want the same flak coming her way. Ryan's ex, Dalis, revealed in an interview about his rehab stint in 2012, a story Jen denied. Jen and Larry were trying to cover up his problem as they were in major denial. They still are. Ryan has no chance with all of these enablers in his life. He is not about to walk away from them either.

Edited December 12, 2017 by SPLAIN

[athousandclowns]

Know so very little about drug and addictions but you don't come home from rehab (no real after care) and he tells the friend it's sorta tough going through the withdrawals but it hadn't been too bad yet. WTH ?  I thought you went through days or horrendous withdrawal in rehab  for several days often helped with drugs under medical assistance. 

His eyes are wide open not half massed like before , and good for dad for being able to understand him because I can't! 

Love the clothes descriptions. 

[LotusFlower]

16 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

I sure did. That is why Maci is acting as if she was in the dark because she doesn't want the same flak coming her way. Ryan's ex, Dalis, revealed in an interview about his rehab stint in 2012, a story Jen denied. Jen and Larry were trying to cover up his problem as they were in major denial. They still are. Ryan has no chance with all of these enablers in his life. He is not about to walk away from them either.

Yup.  And it’s heroin.  That’s the hardest drug to get over, and one with the highest relapse rate.  Bad news for Ryan.  The phone call with the lawyer was also a bad sign.  Ryan seems to think that simply because he’s a father, the judge will automatically grant him visitation.  When the lawyer mentioned showing the judge a clean drug screen, that was one long, uncomfortable moment of silence...

[SPLAIN]

1 minute ago, LotusFlower said:

Yup.  And it’s heroin.  That’s the hardest drug to get over, and one with the highest relapse rate.  Bad news for Ryan.  The phone call with the lawyer was also a bad sign.  Ryan seems to think that simply because he’s a father, the judge will automatically grant him visitation.  When the lawyer mentioned showing the judge a clean drug screen, that was one long, uncomfortable moment of silence...

Definitely bad news.

It seems obvious that call to the lawyer was all Mack's idea. Ryan never cared enough to want to visit with Bentley. The times he did bring up visitation, it was more than likely at the behest of his parents. So many scenes over the seasons where we heard Larry tell Ryan to go to court and finalize the visitation order, but Ryan declined. Now with Mack in the picture, she is the one prodding Ryan to step-up and make that call.

[Caseysgirl]

Boy,Michael's wife has learned the secret to handling Farrah ( kiss her ass) and it works! It has to be nicer for Sophia that all that screaming and swearing that goes on when Debra and Farrah get together isn't going on now.  Unfortunately, I doubt that Sophia has a chance of being well adjusted.   She moves around so much that she hasn't really made any friends, her mother is frequently gone, her grandmother is nuts and all they do is give this child THINGS. Wait til she just puberty!

[mamadrama]

3 hours ago, athousandclowns said:

Know so very little about drug and addictions but you don't come home from rehab (no real after care) and he tells the friend it's sorta tough going through the withdrawals but it hadn't been too bad yet. WTH ?  I thought you went through days or horrendous withdrawal in rehab  for several days often helped with drugs under medical assistance. 

 

The first week of withdrawals are bad. Since he was in a medical facility then I am assuming they helped him out with some xanax or valium. I've been through withdrawal a few times (never from heroin but withdrawal from benzos or even high levels of oxycodone are comparable). I did it cold turkey 3 times and then had to pay a visit to the ER for the forth. It's fucking awful. 

If he had medical care then he's right, the withdrawals probably weren't that bad. Once I got help for it, it was fine. However, there's another part that people rarely talk about: PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrome). This occurs several weeks (and even months)after quitting. And it can be hell. Although the first few days are bad with the diarrhea, body aches, racing heart, dizziness, vomiting, restless leg syndrome, headaches, depression, and anxiety, PAWS is its own kind of hell. 

[ginger90]

Drug testing Ryan for visitation is good, but how quickly do results come back? 

[mamadrama]

15 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Drug testing Ryan for visitation is good, but how quickly do results come back? 

You can get same day ones. As a chronic pain patient, I have random ones all the time. For certain tests, they know within the hour. 

[ginger90]

10 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

You can get same day ones. As a chronic pain patient, I have random ones all the time. For certain tests, they know within the hour. 

Interesting, thanks.

[shannew]

9 hours ago, Brooklynista said:

Does Farrah own the whole strip mall?? She went from door to door to door checking on real businesses with real staff. While Tyler nurses a website that crashes after 2 visitors. And those were just lookey loos.

Go head girl! Thats why they hate you.

You cannot hate on Farrah grind.     While the other teen moms sitting around on their couches/beds griping and complaining about nonsense.   Are my favorite trying to start a instant family.  She's getting her hustle on sitting herself up for success after the Teen Mom franchise ends.    Oh! I almost forgot trying to starting a home business clothing lines.

[ghoulina]

I love Farrah acts like it's this super big deal for her to go out of town. "Are you going to miss mommy?" Bitch, you're hardly ever there! I think Sophia would have a harder time adjusting to Michael's girlfriend leaving than she would you leaving the country for 3 weeks. And then she takes the kid out to get a pedicure and Sophia gets bored after awhile. Farrah's like, "Too bad! I'm trying to enjoy myself!" I know she isn't as horrible as she used to be, but I still see Sophia as just another accessory to her. 

And her packing! My word, that was atrocious. She has to call Michael in to sort it out for her. Someone get that girl some packing cubes. 

 

I'm still trying to understand why the stupid Nova Reign site was down for an entire day. Too much traffic? Cyber attacks? I just have a hard time believing they were getting THAT many orders. What kind of server were they using? The one in their grandma's basement? Now they're selling shit for 50% off and I bet there's cobwebs growing on that website. 

Cate really barked at Nova when she was trying to pack those boxes, didn't she? How about setting her up with a child friendly activity while you guys pretend to act like important business tycoons? Oh, and I see you're already fucking up and neglecting Callie. Figures. 

 

It made me sad to hear Leah talking about wishing she could just go to the park again with her mom. Why couldn't that shit happen with Matt around??? There's no excuse. Amber always puts that kid last, and Leah doesn't deserve that. I'm so glad she has Gary and Kristina. 

No, her daughter is missing her, has expressed it several times lately, and she's off to do ANOTHER reality show - the premise of which is a relationship that was already dead in the water!!! Oh, but it's cool, because she met the next loser while doing the show! Oh, and did y'all hear, "He's Twitter verified!" Score. 

Then she comes back and is all, "This is my life, single with dogs". Who does she think she's fooling??? 

 

I really don't feel that badly for Ryan, that Maci is withholding custody. This is why he should have had a formal custody arrangement in place. He's had YEARS to set that up, so visitation would be set in stone. He never did. So now it IS totally her prerogative as to whether Bentley visits or not. He made his bed. And she's offering to PAY for the drug test. If it were me, and I was clean, I'd do it. I don't think he's clean. Not 100%. Both he and Mack looked shifty as hell when the lawyer stated that he would need to pass tests for the court as well. 

Should Maci have done something like this years ago? Maybe. Probably. I'm not entirely convinced she knew EXACTLY how bad the situation was. He finally admitted to doing heroin, but I don't think he was on heroin for YEARS. I think this is something that progressively worse. And, at the end of the day, I'm just glad someone's looking out for Bentley NOW. 

Interesting that Larry said his triggers were Bentley and Jen, specifically Jen crying. That's a lot to put on your mom. So now is everyone blaming Jen for Ryan using? And I thought MACI was his trigger?

[FlowerofCarnage]

MacKenzie just urks my soul because she knew damn well he was using. Unless snorting was his method of choice, how can she as a women who lives with him and been intimate with him not see any track marks on his body? He left every morning to go somewhere  that wasn't a job, school, etc? You never questioned where he was going? 

[ghoulina]

11 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

Rhiiiinnne wants to be a daddy now? What brought this on?

Mackenzie and her need for air time. 

 

10 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

Is it editing or is Farrah way more of a normal fucking person without Deb in the picture?

I think Farrah's got a host of her own issues, but she and Deb definitely have a very toxic relationship and bring out the worst in each other. I think Michael has just learned to shut up and kiss her ass, and that's why they get along. 

 

9 hours ago, snarts said:

'm sorry, but i have a hard time thinking Maci should've known the extent of Ryan's drug issues when his own family & girlfriend allowed him to be filmed on a tv show. Heck, i gasped when he said heroin. Now she's doing what she can to further protect Bentley and she's still getting flack?

Maci isn't perfect. But I really don't think she knew how bad it was. I don't think it was this bad in 2012. We've been watching him on the show over the years, and it was really only these past few years that it has seemed pretty bad, especially last season. And, honestly, she was usually just taking him to see his grandparents - Ryan was never around! And when he was, they all just hung together. As much as Mimi Jen coddles Ryan, I don't think she'd let anything bad happen to Ryan. The issue here, for me, is Mackenzie. Now they're getting their own place and wanting to have Bentley just the two of them. And neither can be trusted. Ryan hasn't recovered, and Mack is the one who let that dude drive while nodding off into a heroin coma!!!! She never once told him to pull over, offered to drive, anything. THAT'S what's scary. 

I think Ryan started on pills, likely after his car wreck. And it progressed from there. I think he went to rehab once and it looked like he was fine. It was hidden pretty well until it got so bad that it couldn't be hidden any more. I think she's doing the right thing NOW, and that's what matters.