S08.E15: Love You, Mean It

[TimeToCancelTM]

2 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

I'm sure she was settin' to!

????

God i love this forum!!! 

[Mkay]

If I were Nathan I'd be beating the snot out of David.  He wod never, ever lay another hand on my child. Jace probably told Barbara about these beatings and that is why it's stipulated that only Jenelle and Barbara can decoupling Jace.  

 

According to those court documents we know know where pick up and drop offs happen. I think it's time to meet up at that store and wait for UBT and Jenelle to make an appearance.  ?

Edited October 10, 2017 by Mkay

[LotusFlower]

Janelle isn't going anywhere.  It's Amber all over again.  Threaten to quit 'till MTV caves to her demands, then back to filming.  The "I may quit" post was just a PR strategy to deflect what happened on last night's show.

[jadecorleone]

If if she did quit, with how they spend money, they would be begging to come back within 3 days tops. 

[SPLAIN]

11 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Agree. It can't be described. Thanks @nikita for posting the summary. 

My husband pointed this out and I had to share. I am crying. I am angry. I want to seriously beat the shit out of Jenelle and UBT for putting fear into this poor child. MY heart is fucking breaking. Look at Kaiser's face as UBT approaches him...FUCKING BASTARD!!1

 

I have to point out that I had a hard time sleeping last night because this image was burned in my memory. It won't leave my mind. I am crying as I type this out. I am horrified at seeing those angelic eyes as they peer at the devil that is coming towards him. How many times has Kaiser seen this kind of rage towards him? I have watched how this prick has taken out his rage on this innocent and defenseless child while this same child's mother just sat there and allowed it to happen. No motherly instincts at all. That twat sits back and watches her child being grabbed, tossed, and treated like he is a thrift store doll ready to be banished to the trash. How many times has he been spanked, hit, slapped, cursed at, had things thrown at him? How many tears did this child shed because all he wanted was to be hugged or loved? How many times were his tears ignored? How many times was he locked outside with the other kids while the adults who are supposed to care for him were too lazy, tired, high, passed out, or were in the middle of mutual combat inside the house? I am not watching a mother who finds herself in an abusive situation and wanting to leave, but due to fear and threats she remains. This is a person who is equally guilty of  domestic violence. Usually, children can run to one parent in a DV situation and seek protection from the abuser. These children are fucked. They can't run to either adult in the home. Jace has the benefit of having Barb and only living with Jenelle part-time. Kaiser as well. Endtable and Maryssa are there all the time. Who can they run to?

I mentioned this story on a TMOG thread. I posted a story about some kids who live in my neighborhood. They are living with a relative after the murder of their mother due to domestic violence. The youngest is a year younger than Kaiser. When I see that precious little boy, I always hug him. When his siblings take him out to the small market near our home, they pass by and he always waves at me when I am outside watering my lawn or tending to something. There was a time when that precious little boy wouldn't smile. He witnessed abuse. He was also abused. It pains me that they lost their mother, but I am happy that those kids are no longer having to be abused by their so-called father. They are in therapy now. I visit them from time to time. I have allowed those kids to come and spend time with my dog. My dog loves children. I have taken treats or pizza to them on occasion and those kids have given me love. The smile on their faces when I come through their front door is priceless. I see the youngest and when he runs to me to hug me, it is the best feeling in the world. Last night, I saw Kaiser's face and I was balling like a baby. I want to be able to hold him like I do this little boy. Sadly, I can't.  I feel like something needs to be done for these children. I hate feeling so helpless. Damn you, Jenelle and David. I seriously hate you both and I hope Doris is successful in her custody case. I am sorry, Kaiser for all you are suffering at the hands of these two evil people. I am sorry I can't be there for you.

Edited October 10, 2017 by SPLAIN

[FlowerofCarnage]

Of course they love the money and know their current lifestyle will cease to exist without it. Can't buy top quality weed if you don't have the money; can't pay Dustin and the female lawyer whose name escapes me at this moment to work their legal magic without money and I doubt they work pro bono. 

[Sprockets]

56 minutes ago, AirQuotes said:

She can dish it out to Barb but cowers under the glare of The Neanderthal.

Jenelle is the abuser and the abused.  That would interest me more if the kids and pets were not in the line of fire.  

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Poor Kaiser and Endtable. They are both young enough to still that perspective adoptive parents would be falling all over themselves to adopt them. I wish BrandonAndTheresa would come take them away, or at least take Endtable and drop Kaiser off to Grandma Doris. No wonder Jace doesn't want to go over there. Poor Maryssa. She has seen some sh*t. All those kids are going to have PTSD. 

Something bad is going to happen on The Land. Mark my word. Probably to a child or Jenelle. But I also wouldn't put it past David (with Jenelle as an accomplice during or after) killing a producer, Barb, or Doris, either. If I was a producer, I sure as hell wouldn't say anything to David to his face. (But I'd excuse myself to Jenelle's bathroom and dial 911.) 

Even if CPS had been called to the scene of the Save the Date photo shoot and witnessed what happened first hand, I still doubt that would be enough to get the kids taken away. Sadly, you have to almost kill your kids before CPS takes them. They're underfunded, under-resourced, and overworked. Sad but true - I definitely think what's going on qualifies as awful abuse...but I don't think CPS could really act on that when kids are being burned with irons by their parents or routinely sexually abused. Kaiser screaming "Feed me!" is heartbreaking but CPS has to worry about the kids that are extremely underweight because their parents are intentionally literally starving them. It's so very sad.

My son is a few months younger than Kaiser and he'd never yell or say "Feed me!" What an odd thing. My son would say "I'm hungry" or "I want dinner" or "I want food." Never "feed me." Sounds like poor Kai has often heard Jenelle's scream "Feed him" at David when Kai is crying.  

How old is Maryssa? She is such a beautiful girl but so tragically (and understandably) beautifully sad. 

ETA: I had a dream last nigh that I had another baby, a girl. (I have a boy and a girl, and that's all I'm having - by choice - as I had my Fallopian tubes removed). Waking up from that dream, all I could think of was poor Ensley, who is a few months younger than my little girl. I'd gladly take Ensley if no one else would. Poor baby.

Edited October 10, 2017 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[badhaggis]

That picture of Kaiser is haunting. Those poor children. My heart hurts for them. Fuck you Jenelle and UBT. 

[Birdee]

I think that whole “David’s THE Land of Horrors” segment might have been the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. I was watching last night and I was crying loud enough to wake up Mr. Birdee. I’m not sure I can keep watching this show in good conscience.

Poor little Kaiser’s face when they yelled at him for touching the camera—if I ever (even accidentally) hurt my daughter like that, I’d probably break down. And I won’t even let myself begin to imagine how those kids are handled when the cameras aren’t around. If my husband EVER handled my daughter like that (not that he would), he wouldn’t be seeing either of us again until the court made me. I hope to God, Granny Doris gets custody of Kaiser and I wouldn’t feel the least bit bad if Nathan tracked down David and beat him until he was unrecognizable. And producers? You’re terrible people and I hope you can sleep well at night when David finally kills one of those kids. At least you got some good drama on film, right?

Also:

Brianna, focus on your sick baby and not her soon-to-be-deadbeat dad. Sick babies are scary and you have more than enough to worry about.

Leah (and Corey), good for you on stepping up and hopefully moving forward on getting Gracie help. And yea for Ali using her wheelchair.

Kail, I really wish Javi hadn’t given in and you would have been stuck in Delaware instated of on vacation number 25 for the year. And Lux is STILL a stupid name.

Chelsea: You could probably just wait 6 months until Adam ODs and you won’t have to fight him over the name change.

Edited October 10, 2017 by Birdee

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

12 hours ago, salvame said:

She is about the age where all the people in her family having the same last name is important. I knew a family who had several children before they married. One of the kids was excited by them all getting cards in the mail and "reading" the addresses: Susie Smith, Jamie Smith, Sarah Smith, Daddy Smith, Mommy Smith... no? Mommy Jones? Why? Kids that age desperately want to be part of a family. 

Thank goodness it's likely that everyone in Aubree's primary residence/any future siblings who reside there will likely all have the DeBoer last name, then (assuming Aubree's name ends up being hyphenated, etc.)

Can you imagine how it will feel for the kids at Kail's or Jenelle's home when all the many siblings all have different last names (and we know Kail and Jenelle aren't stopping reproducing now)? 

Edited October 10, 2017 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Straycat80]

I agree with the posts about Grandma Doris and/or Nathan stepping in to get Kaiser away from Jenelle and UBT but what's the story with Maryssa's mother? Where is she in this? Why is she allowing her daughter to live/spend time in this toxic, abusive situation? 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

14 hours ago, dabronx said:

Seeing Kaiser treated like that I think it'll be a miracle if Nathan isn't arrested for harming/trying to harm UBT.  I'm not trying to imply he's better or has the moral high ground I'm just saying even though he doesn't want to actually raise his kid we're talking about a guy who

1.  does seem to care for his child in some capacity (a child that looks very very much like him)

2. apparently has a TBI

3. has anger issues

4. potentially abuses steroids and/or other drugs

5. has military training so he's literally been taught how to go after people with bare hands, knife, and guns

Has anyone checked out his twitter feed tonight? Can you post anything form it?

Except:

1) That would require Nathan being sober enough to drive from SC to where Jenelle lives in NC; and

2) Nathan is crazy violent and scary BUT I'm pretty sure he's the kind of violent, scary dude who only takes it out on women (who are smaller than him). I'm not sure we've ever heard of Nathan getting violent with a guy his own size or bigger (like UBT). Don't get me wrong, I think sober Nathan could take UBT down (but I'd worry guns would come into the equation), but Nathan likes to reserve his anger for strangling women (as UBT does as well). 

[BitterApple]

9 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

I agree with the posts about Grandma Doris and/or Nathan stepping in to get Kaiser away from Jenelle and UBT but what's the story with Maryssa's mother? Where is she in this? Why is she allowing her daughter to live/spend time in this toxic, abusive situation? 

Maryssa's mother is a train wreck herself. She lost custody to her parents, and then Maryssa went to live with Dave after having issues in their household. I don't know if the maternal grandparents are older or have health issues or what, but if Dave was the better option than the mother, I can only imagine what a shit show she must be.

Edited October 10, 2017 by BitterApple

[TimeToCancelTM]

7 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

I agree with the posts about Grandma Doris and/or Nathan stepping in to get Kaiser away from Jenelle and UBT but what's the story with Maryssa's mother? Where is she in this? Why is she allowing her daughter to live/spend time in this toxic, abusive situation? 

Ive asked myself the same thing!! Where is this woman?? And why does someone like david have custody of her?

[MissMel]

I don't trust the editors any more than I trust Jenelle or UncleID.  I think it's also possible that Kaiser said "help me".  He had his hand on that car and he's not big enough to get it to the top.  Jace had it at the top at one point but when Kaiser said "feed me" or whatever, Jace was in the background and looked back.  It could have been "help me" or "feed me" or "push me" or one of several other things.

The abuse and Kaiser's crying is real.  I'm not convinced the words that the editors captioned are, though.  I can also easily believe when Kaiser hit Jace in the back and told him to shut up, he could have easily added "quit crying" too.  I'm sure that scenario happens often to Kaiser.  Those words were clear and familiar to that poor toddler.  Jenelle and UncleID are lowlife pieces of shit for playing photo shoot time and ignoring (and getting pissed off) about the children's needs in their lives.  These two are disgusting.

[ghoulina]

2 hours ago, gotta watch said:

I don't see why Jenelle and MTV can't come to some sort of agreement. They would like to keep her on b/c ratings, & we all know she wants to stay b/c money. But things aren't well in the Eason household. Make Jenelle and David have some intense individual counseling, marriage counseling and have Supernanny come and help them with the kiddos, discipline and a routine. It *could* be a win-win. No guarantees obviously, but I would watch to see some improvements! The episode last night was just bone chilling and wrong on so many levels.

If Jenelle hasn't improved by now, she never will. I think she's a sociopath and she's never going to change. David is evil to the core, abuses women  and children. The only improvement would be if they both died and those poor children were finally released from their clutches. 

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, badhaggis said:

That picture of Kaiser is haunting. Those poor children. My heart hurts for them. Fuck you Jenelle and UBT. 

I really can't stand to look at it. It's interesting that so many had rough nights last night. I watched RH of Dallas AND Teen Mum after this, but I still couldn't get Jenelle's awful scenes out of my mind. 

[Birdee]

47 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

I really can't stand to look at it. It's interesting that so many had rough nights last night. I watched RH of Dallas AND Teen Mum after this, but I still couldn't get Jenelle's awful scenes out of my mind. 

It's interesting and it's also sad. Sad that people who will never meet Kaiser shed tears over his treatment and are genuinely concerned for his life/well-being and his own damn mother was taking pictures and screaming the f-bomb at the poor little chub.  

[Sprockets]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

If Jenelle hasn't improved by now, she never will. I think she's a sociopath and she's never going to change

I agree she isn't going to change.  I think the drugs killed what few brain cells she had to begin with, and now it's a constant whining victim party.  Despite being handed the money to do whatever she wants in life, she still takes in psychotic strays, ignores and neglects her children, and does nothing constructive, day to day.  I think she is deeply miserable.  

We're all afraid because we see the reality and the very real possibility for tragedy if nothing changes.  How could this possibly end well?  And there is nothing we can do, is there?  

Edited October 10, 2017 by Sprockets

[LisLis]

The real issue with jeanelle is that she and most of those girls are so carried away hair and makeup, social media, look at me, me me me that their kids are just props.  American girls today put too much effort in superficial things.  I don't even know what Chelsea actually looks like, I would love to see her fresh faced someday.  

Get over yourself Kail, you are not a superhero for pushing out 3 kids and going to school, you never have to leave for work and that school was not an excellent school, anyone could pass those classes you took.  And BTW you push people out of your life.  You are not the Queen you think you are.  And having baby daddies is not a qualification for anything but bad choices.

Brianna, dear girl, who the hell would want to spend a week in your home with your mother hovering over you spouting out all their expectations at you.  You have all the help you need!  You just want a man to cater to you.  Maybe a man wants privacy and alone time then he would step up but at this rate Luis sees nothing thrilling about catering to your ass and answering to your mother.  You need to create an environment where he sees himself fitting in dumb girl.  Being with you does not mean he's there to hand you pillows, you want emotional support?  Then cut out the peanut gallery by-standers.  

Leah, oh my lord!  Pushing out babies does not make you at natural at inspiring others.  There is absolutely nothing you can say that's resonates any natural gift of public speaking.  You are too figity, and your thoughts are everywhere.  You have nothing new to say except what you can read in any teenaged magazine.  Do you have a lesson that no one else has ever thought of?  I didn't think so.  Unless you want to teach others how to get by feeding your kids the crappiest list of unhealthy foods.  Your life is messy and you are not at a place that is above others.  I think you are just hocking your kids to cash in.

Edited October 10, 2017 by LisLis

[Racj82]

Jace is now telling truth in jest. I didn't miss you - just kidding. No he's not.

I now truly see how awful David is. I thought he was shit buy used to think all the domestic abuse talk was over the top. Not anymore. No, I don't wish this on Jenelle. She awful too but I don't wish that on anyone. Especially with kids around. 

The coven is so fucking annoying. They had one glimmer of logic when the sister said last week he probably left because everyone embarrassed him on tv. Ya think? But, that went right over their heads. Talk to the man with out shitting on him for five seconds. Damn.

[CofCinci]

13 minutes ago, LisLis said:

Brianna, dear girl, who the hell would want to spend a week in your home with your mother hovering over you spouting out all their expectations at you.  You have all the help you need!  You just want a man to cater to you.  Maybe a man wants privacy and alone time then he would step up but at this rate Luis sees nothing thrilling about catering to your ass and answering to your mother.  You need to create an environment where he sees himself fitting in dumb girl.  Being with you does not mean he's there to hand you pillows, you want emotional support?  Then cut out the peanut gallery by-standers.  

Where was Luis even supposed to sleep? Nova is in bed with Briana. The other members of the Coven are in the respective hole/lairs. Did they expect him to sleep on the sofa - to be interrupted by the family and their guests?

[Birdee]

9 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Where was Luis even supposed to sleep? Nova is in bed with Briana. The other members of the Coven are in the respective hole/lairs. Did they expect him to sleep on the sofa - to be interrupted by the family and their guests?

Yes, because he's a man and men suck. He needs to be inconvenienced at every turn and always be accessible so random people he barely knows can berate him for not stepping up to the plate. 

[evilmindatwork]

36 minutes ago, LisLis said:

The real issue with jeanelle is that she and most of those girls are so carried away hair and makeup, social media, look at me, me me me that their kids are just props.  American girls today put too much effort in superficial things.  I don't even know what Chelsea actually looks like, I would love to see her fresh faced someday.  

Watching them a pose and preen for their pictures while Jace and Kaiser ran around sunburned and hungry was absolutely disgusting. I don't agree however that Jenelle is remotely comparable to the other girls. Her level of delusion and vanity is pathological and absolutely sinister. Jenelle is going to be taking a selfie while David drops one of those kids out of a window, it's seriously terrifying to think about how detached she is from her children and her environment. Kail, Leah, Chelsea, and Briana are also very flawed but, for the most part, they are loving mothers. Their level of self obsession isn't comparable to Jenelle's. I've worked in child protection court (Illinois) and I feel like what we are seeing play out with Kaiser & Ensley is not so much an 'American' society thing but a cycle of abuse that recurs over multiple generations in families. I feel like David was probably raised similarly. I'm not sure about Barbara, who seems to be attentive and competent, but she's talked about how Jenelle's dad was abusive so there were probably similar things happening with at least one parent when Jenelle was a baby/ toddler. 

 

It's really sad to see those kids so neglected. My brother has a 3 month old and we are all picking that baby up and talking to him and carrying him around and cuddling him.  he's never in a room by himself or lying alone in a cot. It's baffling to me to see how nobody interacts with Kaiser and Ensley.

Edited October 10, 2017 by evilmindatwork

[Sprockets]

9 hours ago, CofCinci said:

One can only speculate the horrors that happened in the household the night before the wedding. 

Or pretty much any night.  Or morning or afternoon.  

[poopchute]

Jenelle makes getting married look like the worst torture on earth. I’ve never seen someone so miserable taking engagement photos. I did engagement photos and was laughing the whole time. It was fun. It’s supposed to be fun. Not screaming and ordering people around and being frustrated with your children and looking angry. And now she has been married for two weeks but has posted dozens of angry rants online.  Does she think is normal? I cannot imagine being so angry and so focused on online strangers in the period immediately following my wedding.

[Sprockets]

1 minute ago, poopchute said:

I cannot imagine being so angry and so focused on online strangers in the period immediately following my wedding

She is absolutely miserable.  She's been living a "perfect family" lie she created, and the "happily ever after" moment was supposed to be the wedding.  After which - immediately after which - UBT decompensated and stopped trying even a little bit, because that's what his type does.  Jenelle is horrified.  

Everything is going downhill fast for her from now on, and she knows it, which is why she's screaming at everyone.  I don't really care, except for the children and pets caught in the crossfire.  

[chrissybk]

I enjoy the drama, it entertains me. But I have to draw the line and child abuse and endangerment.

So, here you go guys!  Let's see how fast we can get past 1000. Maybe MTV will pay attention to the viewers. 

Remove David and Janelle From Teen Mom 2 Cast

Edited October 10, 2017 by chrissybk
spelling error :)

[mrsh]

Jenelleis is a complete sociopath. It is only a matter of time before a murder occurs on The Land, and I pray that the kids are not harmed when it happens. I have no pity for Jenelle, she is not a victim in an abusive relationship, she is as much an abuser as UBT is and the only victims are those poor kids. I've said it before and I'll  say it again with no remorse, the best thing for Jace and The Roll  would be if Jenelle died. Only then will they be free from that monster and her revolving door of soulmates.

Kail is a raging bitch and I wish Javi had not dropped the child support case and her vacation had been ruined.

Chelsea is boring but it makes me happy to see Aubree and Watson being so loved and cherished. Chelsea really hit the jackpot with Cole. Leah...meh

[DangerousMinds]

19 hours ago, CofCinci said:

The Producers got right into their van.  With other men on the series, they would have continued to film/annoy.  They know that David is violent and unpredictable.  Putting themselves at risk for a filmed fight just wasn't worth it for them that day.

They need to drop these 2 sociopaths from the show immediately.

19 hours ago, mscav said:

Is it wrong that I don't care that David obviously beat the shit out of Jenelle? I fear for the kids and wouldn't want anything bad to happen to them, and I don't condone abuse at all, but Jenelle is such a vile horrible person that her kids best chance may be with her missing on the land and UBT in jail for life. Otherwise they are in for a life of abuse from UBT and neglect from her. Even if she were to get away from David she would just find someone just as bad if not worse.

I do not care either.

[GreatKazu]

Leah's talk with Gracie was way better than any speech she gave to those strangers. 

[chrissybk]

4 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

They need to drop these 2 sociopaths from the show immediately.

I do not care either.

I don't care about Janelle either tbh, but as long as she is with David those kids are in even more danger. At least with Jace and The Roll, there is Barb and Nathan's mom to keep an eye on that bitch Janelle. Poor Endtable is fully in the clutches of Janelle and David. There is nobody to save her. :(  

If MTV fires them both, there is hope that David will disappear when those MTV checks do. Which could save Jace and The Roll but still leaves little Endtable as either a victim of kidnapping by her father or consistent neglect by her mother and the dick she jumps on next.  

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/remove-david-and-janelle-from-teen-mom-2-cast

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, Birdee said:

It's interesting and it's also sad. Sad that people who will never meet Kaiser shed tears over his treatment and are genuinely concerned for his life/well-being and his own damn mother was taking pictures and screaming the f-bomb at the poor little chub.  

She doesn't care about him or any of her other kids the way total strangers do. She sees her kids as possessions and pawns. 

Edited October 10, 2017 by GreatKazu

[Sprockets]

1 minute ago, chrissybk said:

. . .still leaves little Endtable as either a victim of kidnapping by her father or consistent neglect by her mother and the dick she jumps on next.  

If this show has taught us anything, it's that we don't have to choose.  

[druzy]

Sorry if this was posted. I'm not sure where it belongs

[GreatKazu]

9 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I really can't stand to look at it. It's interesting that so many had rough nights last night. I watched RH of Dallas AND Teen Mum after this, but I still couldn't get Jenelle's awful scenes out of my mind. 

I tuned in to the Dodger game. It was hard to enjoy because I was thinking of Kaiser's well-being. I know the children are all sacrificial lambs in this situation, but I can't help but feel Kaiser gets the worst of it simply because he is Nathan's child. Right now, they are all in the middle of this child custody issue regarding Kaiser. It is likely a topic that Jenelle or David brings up on a daily basis. Add in the gasoline from last night's episode, I am sure it just created an inferno for those kids. I have no fucks to give if UBT took it out on Jenelle. It is terrible and horrible, but whatever. I don't care. Jenelle is also an abuser. They both need to have their children taken from them. My fear and concerns lies with only those kids who have no say-so in that situation. Jenelle could do something about it, but she won't. She won't even protect her kids from the harm David inflicts upon them directly or indirectly. She is also likely physically harming Kaiser. She won't lay a hand on David's kids. She can't hit Jace because he will tell his therapist and Barb. Kaiser has been the punching bag for those fucking cunts. 

I am sorry the image has brought many to tears. Maybe I should have hidden it and let you all choose whether you want to see it or not. My husband caught his face and had me pause the DVR. It went by so fast, I didn't even catch the look on his face. What makes it even worse is seeing how the producer is just too focused on the damn camera. 

Edited October 11, 2017 by GreatKazu
Kaiser not Nathan has been a punching bag.

[chrissybk]

6 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

Why the fuck were they all up in the middle of the night.

My son is 19 now and when he was born I was 21 but still lived at home with my mom and brother. I remember waking up with my son in the middle of the night to feed and change him and it was quiet and peaceful. I held him and fed him and talked to him softly. If it was around 6am and we were up, my mom would knock on my door and give my son a kiss as she was leaving for work. 

We never used it as a bash the baby's father session. I guess because everyone in the house had a job to wake up and get to, we didn't have as much time for that. These ladies need to get a damn life and show Nova and now Stella, something different or they will be full fledged, brainwashed members of the coven sitting there at 4am, still all together and still single, bashing Nova and Stella's one night stands/baby daddy's in about 15 years. 

The whole situation with the coven is just strange. Nova sees and hears everything including her mother crying 17 times each day. Brianna is still talking about adoption in front of Nova even now that Stella is here.  Ole boy Luis ain't never get to show us the full potential of his deadbeatness because the coven wouldn't even give him a chance. 

[DangerousMinds]

7 hours ago, CaliforniaLove said:

To all the Southern & Northern California folks on here, I hope everyone is safe from the fires!!

I'm on the side of thinking it's fine for Aubree's name to be hyphenated. Chelsea seems like a "Maci" type meaning, how many f-ing "M's" & "The McKinneys!!!" signs does she have all over their house? I know I've spotted one giant "D" on Chelsea's wall, so besides just the general feeling of maybe feeling a little left out, if Aubree constantly has "D's", and "The DeBoer's" picture frames shoved in her face, all the more reason to have the name (plus she obviously loves Cole to death).  

Or Chelsea could stop with shoving this stuff in her face? 

[BitterApple]

9 minutes ago, chrissybk said:

The whole situation with the coven is just strange. Nova sees and hears everything including her mother crying 17 times each day. Brianna is still talking about adoption in front of Nova even now that Stella is here.  Ole boy Luis ain't never get to show us the full potential of his deadbeatness because the coven wouldn't even give him a chance. 

Yeah, count me in with those who don't understand why Luis going back to his apartment warranted an all-night man bashing session. IMO, it actually made sense for Luis to come back during the day when Brittney and Roxanne are presumably at work and the house is less crowded. Briana already said she didn't feel comfortable with him being there 24/7, so what's the problem? 

Just now, DangerousMinds said:

Or Chelsea could stop with shoving this stuff in her face? 

In the scene where Cole was on the couch, I noticed Aubree couldn't even remember what Chelsea was talking about until Chelsea pushed, prodded and dropped hints about the name change. Then it was like a lightbulb went off and Aubree remembered her lines. I know Chelsea is a fan favorite, and I truly believe Cole is a great guy, but I also think a lot of Aubree's feelings towards him are driven by her desire to please Chelsea. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

1 hour ago, LisLis said:

Get over yourself Kail, you are not a superhero for pushing out 3 kids and going to school, you never have to leave for work and that school was not an excellent school, anyone could pass those classes you took.  And BTW you push people out of your life.  You are not the Queen you think you are.  And having baby daddies is not a qualification for anything but bad choices.

Well......maybe not Leah.....

[chrissybk]

1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

18 minutes ago, chrissybk said:

The whole situation with the coven is just strange. Nova sees and hears everything including her mother crying 17 times each day. Brianna is still talking about adoption in front of Nova even now that Stella is here.  Ole boy Luis ain't never get to show us the full potential of his deadbeatness because the coven wouldn't even give him a chance. 

Yeah, count me in with those who don't understand why Luis going back to his apartment warranted an all-night man bashing session. IMO, it actually made sense for Luis to come back during the day when Brittney and Roxanne are presumably at work and the house is less crowded. Briana already said she didn't feel comfortable with him being there 24/7, so what's the problem? 

I don't know how Brittney and Roxanne have time to work when they are busy raising Brianna's kids and man bashing all the time. Sheesh, they are truly exhausting!! Imagine being around all of them in person? I thought Luis coming over during the day made perfect sense. Since the coven holds overnight meetings, Brianna could get some rest while Luis is there during the day. That way she can be well rested to watch her sister feed and rock Stella to sleep while they hold their nightly meeting. But, I bet she wouldn't rest while Luis is there anyway because if she did the man might actually be able to form a bond with Stella and that would completely ruin the coven's entire campaign, so she would stay awake and suck every single, possible bit of joy out of the room. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

5 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

In the scene where Cole was on the couch, I noticed Aubree couldn't even remember what Chelsea was talking about until Chelsea pushed, prodded and dropped hints about the name change. Then it was like a lightbulb went off and Aubree remembered her lines. I know Chelsea is a fan favorite, and I truly believe Cole is a great guy, but I also think a lot of Aubree's feelings towards him are driven by her desire to please Chelsea. 

I wonder if this is really more of a storyline for MTV than anything else. What else does Chelsea have going on to talk about besides living her relativity normal upper-middle class "basic" life? (Totally not saying basic in a negative way. All these other chicks could benefit from a dose of "basic" at this point.)

[chrissybk]

4 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

I agree with the posts about Grandma Doris and/or Nathan stepping in to get Kaiser away from Jenelle and UBT but what's the story with Maryssa's mother? Where is she in this? Why is she allowing her daughter to live/spend time in this toxic, abusive situation? 

David Eason Wins Full Custody of Daughter Maryssa

Editing to add that at least it is temporary primary custody. Hopefully that changes really soon. 

Edited October 10, 2017 by chrissybk

[Sprockets]

48 minutes ago, chrissybk said:

Nova sees and hears everything including her mother crying 17 times each day.

Nova has the same look on her face as David's daughter - Marissa?  Frozen, fearful, powerless.  

28 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Well......maybe not Leah.....

Leah couldn't even find the school.  

[GreatKazu]

3 hours ago, LisLis said:

Get over yourself Kail, you are not a superhero for pushing out 3 kids and going to school, you never have to leave for work and that school was not an excellent school, anyone could pass those classes you took.  And BTW you push people out of your life.  You are not the Queen you think you are.  And having baby daddies is not a qualification for anything but bad choices.

Kail couldn't pass them either. She didn't fulfill her credits and was told she was barely passing her classes with the "D" grades she received. 

Edited October 11, 2017 by GreatKazu

[ReadMeLattice]

5 hours ago, SPLAIN said:

These children are fucked. They can't run to either adult in the home. Jace has the benefit of having Barb and only living with Jenelle part-time. Kaiser as well. Endtable and Maryssa are there all the time. Who can they run to?

This is true, at least Jace has Barb and Kaiser has Doris. Maryssa and Ensley might be the worst off of all of them. :(

Edited October 10, 2017 by Lm2162

[Scarlett45]

Just now, Lm2162 said:

This is true, at least Jace has Barb and Kaiser has Doris. Does Maryssa spend no time with her mother? If not, Ensley might be the worst off of all of them. :(

I don't know what Maryssa's home life was like with her maternal grand parents but maybe she can seek some refuge in those memories. It's an awful situation for the kids. 

[ReadMeLattice]

4 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Except:

1) That would require Nathan being sober enough to drive from SC to where Jenelle lives in NC; and

2) Nathan is crazy violent and scary BUT I'm pretty sure he's the kind of violent, scary dude who only takes it out on women (who are smaller than him). I'm not sure we've ever heard of Nathan getting violent with a guy his own size or bigger (like UBT). Don't get me wrong, I think sober Nathan could take UBT down (but I'd worry guns would come into the equation), but Nathan likes to reserve his anger for strangling women (as UBT does as well). 

That's because under the glitter and spray tan, he's nothing but a coward.  He would never risk losing a fight.

That's the scariest part of all of this. Maryssa's mom has no custody of her daughter and Nathan has no custody of either of his children. SO WHAT WE ARE SEEING WAS THE COURT'S ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT BETTER. As in, there are 5 adults who made Maryssa, Kaiser, and Nathan's daughter....and Jenelle and David were the least obviously/provably dangerous out of the 5. And I'm pretty sure what we saw was horror film-worthy. These. Children. Have. No. Hope.

Edited October 10, 2017 by Lm2162

[GreatKazu]

Jace has been hitting others including Barb.

Maryssa has been hitting Jace.

Kaiser is hitting Jace and telling him "Shut up!"

Three children with three different situations and fathers, but one common denominator: Jenelle