S08.E09: Playing Family Picnic

[CofCinci]

Why do they take Ali to Dr. Tsao? Her parents don't give a shit about what he tells them about her condition.  They willfully disregard his advice.  Concurrent to the filming, the kid is running bases because hashtag prayer works!  We are going to watch little Ali start to decline rapidly and that makes me very uncomfortable. Paired with psychopath David Eason, this once guilty pleasure of a series is becoming scarily real. 

[druzy]

2 hours ago, Mkay said:

You know that poor Jace has seen one of David's freak outs like we all witnessed at night.  As a child, that crap is terrifying. I don't blame him one bit for not wanting David to be around. I haven't read any outcome on David's case today. 

@CaliforniaLove posted this in Jenelle's thread

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Welp, looks like Dustin has still got it! One year of unsupervised probation & no jail time. Drat!

[Sprockets]

19 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Ali start to decline rapidly and that makes me very uncomfortable.

Ali's MD will probably progress at its own rate no matter what.  It has seemed to me in the past that one or both parents are in denial and are not following doctor's orders, but no one, including the doctor, knows what course her disease will take.  I hope the other children are getting the attention they need.  Gracie has shown some signs of acting out, which may or may not be normal behavior.  

[ReadMeLattice]

1 hour ago, Sprockets said:

In all seriousness, she's a former drug addict, and many former addicts find normal life very boring.  If you can call a life with David and Barbara in it boring.  She needs to identify that tendency and develop ways of coping, of distracting herself.  Or she could just go on whining and acting like a child.  

That's very true. She needs more stimulation and needs to find ways to do that in a healthy manner. 

I've actually found life with a newborn "boring" at times, though I adore her and never run out of tasks to complete. If you just do the basics (changing diapers, feeding, sleeping, bathing) the routine can seem boring at least to me even if it's tiring, so I found lists of ways to stimulate newborns and activate their brains and I have fun experimenting with ways to interact with her and make her laugh or look curious before I have to go back to work. It struck me watching Ensley, who seemed pretty young in the episode, that Jenelle will never go beyond "the basics" with her, essentially keeping her alive until the next Instagram shoot. Jenelle doesn't seem interested in doing anything but keeping her kids alive to dress up for photos. She could easily find parents' groups, baby classes, activities for Kaiser or, I don't know, a JOB if she's that bored. 

34 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Why do they take Ali to Dr. Tsao? Her parents don't give a shit about what he tells them about her condition.  They willfully disregard his advice.  Concurrent to the filming, the kid is running bases because hashtag prayer works!  We are going to watch little Ali start to decline rapidly and that makes me very uncomfortable. Paired with psychopath David Eason, this once guilty pleasure of a series is becoming scarily real. 

I don't get why they take her either except to find things to try to prove wrong. It don't make no sense. 

[Maharincess]

I'm so happy that I don't watch this shit anymore. Just reading about what Jenelle and that Neanderthal are doing to Barb is making my blood boil.  I hope karma hits Jenelle so hard and I hope it's captured on film. That is an episode I would watch. My parents were neglectful alcoholics,  my older brothers were the favored children and I pretty much raised myself. Watching them beat the hell out of each other was a weekly occurrence for me, if the other wasn't around for them to smack around, I got the pleasure of being their victim. I was pretty much forgotten. I learned to cook at age 12 and bought food with my babysitting money and cooked it myself, there's a lot more that happened but I'll spare you. All that said, I still would never treat my mother the way this bitch treats Barb. I would also have to bitch slap anybody else who tried to speak badly to or about her. I don't believe in heaven and hell but I do believe in karma and I hope she hits Jenelle square in the face. 

I hate Jenelle and can't stand Karl so I just can't watch anymore. Briana doesn't bother me as much as she does some people and I don't mind watching her because at least there's nothing like Jenelle in her scenes. I like Chelsea but that's not enough to make me want to watch. I found out last week that I'm going to be a grandma for the 3rd time so I also can't watch what Ali is going through. 

You guys are all stronger than I am to keep watching it. My blood pressure steadily rises after the opening credits and by the end, my head is about to explode. 

[GreatKazu]

Doesn't Ali have a case worker? There was one at one time when Cory was taking Leah to court for more custody. She was there at the doctor visits at one time as well. 

1 hour ago, Sprockets said:

Ali's MD will probably progress at its own rate no matter what.  It has seemed to me in the past that one or both parents are in denial and are not following doctor's orders, but no one, including the doctor, knows what course her disease will take.  I hope the other children are getting the attention they need.  Gracie has shown some signs of acting out, which may or may not be normal behavior.  

The doctor specifically said, approximately two years ago, Ali needed to be in her chair and not be doing a lot of walking or activities that require her to be out of her chair as that takes a toll on her muscles. He said this after being told Ali was falling down a lot. He was going by the information Ali's parents gave him. That is how he determines what course of action he believes is in Ali's best interest on top of what he, as a specialist, feels what lies ahead for Ali, to a certain degree. He seems to have been correct in his assessment. 

Edited September 6, 2017 by GreatKazu

[BitterApple]

Dr. Tsao didn't look too happy when Leah mentioned how Ali continuously falls. I guess he's given up on the power wheelchair lecture considering neither Cory nor Leah has ever followed his advice in regards to it before. 

Edited September 6, 2017 by BitterApple

[nikita]

1 hour ago, Lm2162 said:

It struck me watching Ensley, who seemed pretty young in the episode, that Jenelle will never go beyond "the basics" with her, essentially keeping her alive until the next Instagram shoot. Jenelle doesn't seem interested in doing anything but keeping her kids alive to dress up for photos. She could easily find parents' groups, baby classes, activities for Kaiser or, I don't know, a JOB if she's that bored.

And after she talks about how crappy of a mother she thinks Barb was, you'd think she'd want to do so much more for her kids.

6 hours ago, Lm2162 said:

Jenelle's "this is reality, bitch" made me want to smack her. And if Jace feels uncomfortable around David, why the fuck doesn't she care enough to even ask him why?!?! I mean I know she doesn't actually care, but I'd think she'd know to at least pretend.

 

Especially after her *very telling* admission that she makes an effort not to look insane when being filmed because she "learned the hard way."

[AmyFarrahFowler]

14 hours ago, eskimo said:

I can just imagine the next time David gets Jace alone... he grabs a fistful of Jace's shirt, pulls him in face-to-face, and in a quiet but extremely threatening tone- speaking through his clenched teeth- tells him to never make him look bad on TV again.  Or else. 

God, I really can envision that. It's been my worst fear for all of those kids except Ensley and it will be turned on her the minute she can speak for herself.

It's obvious that the guy has no self control and neither does Jenelle.

[Teddybear]

Not to be nitpicky but I wish they taught Ali to open her mouth when they gave her that albuterol inhaler.  It's no good when her lips are sealed! (which they were).  I have asthma so that bugged me.  

Chelsea and her sister look NOTHING alike.  

[AmyFarrahFowler]

2 hours ago, nikita said:

And after she talks about how crappy of a mother she thinks Barb was, you'd think she'd want to do so much more for her kids.

Especially after her *very telling* admission that she makes an effort not to look insane when being filmed because she "learned the hard way."

They were having a picnic while UBT took pics! In Jenelle's mind she's being the ultimate Mommy and must have it documented for Social Media.

[GreatKazu]

13 hours ago, Teddybear said:

 

Chelsea and her sister look NOTHING alike.  

There are some resemblances among the four of them, one in particular: http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/chelsea-houska-sisters-137558

What exactly does UBT plan to do with his video of Jenelle calling her mother a bitch on the phone? Run to Jenelle's attorney with the footage? Share it on SnapChat? Go to Dr. Phil? It only makes Jenelle look like the insane bitch that she is all the time. 

Edited September 6, 2017 by GreatKazu
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[WhosThatGirl]

26 minutes ago, AmyFarrahFowler said:

They were having a picnic while UBT took pics! In Jenelle's mind she's being the ultimate Mommy and must have it documented for Social Media.

This! Like I said in my post, you can live your life and not take pictures every second (although I'm kind of guilty of documenting my animals on my Instagram myself but my cats and dog are adorable ;) ) but still..

it was funny how Janelle said "and David is going take picture while we have a picnic" I cheered when Barb said "playing family picnic " that's what Janelle was doing. Either for her social media image or for something to prove to court to be "a great mother" I don't know.

[StatisticalOutlier]

16 hours ago, AirQuotes said:

The coven rented a house to throw it in.  In the Disney World area vacation rentals are everywhere but they aren't free so there was that expense.  Then all the food and stupid decorations.  (Two of the coven were arguing over how to properly spray paint a big wooden S.) 

At first, I thought they were doing the spray painting inside the house they'd rented, but maybe it was outside on the patio?  Still...spray painting is not a very responsible thing to do on someone else's property.

 

15 hours ago, ghoulina said:

This is a good point. Barb knows they're going to blame her anyway, she should have just taken the bullet for Jace.

Barb take a bullet for Jace?  She won't even make sure he's not around when she and Jenelle are fighting. 

 

3 hours ago, nikita said:

And after she talks about how crappy of a mother she thinks Barb was, you'd think she'd want to do so much more for her kids.

Especially after her *very telling* admission that she makes an effort not to look insane when being filmed because she "learned the hard way."

I caught that part about learning the hard way, too. 

But as for thinking Jenelle would use Barb's failings as a mother to propel Jenelle to be a better mother?  Sadly, it doesn't always work that way.  You'd think that people who were abused as children would be the last ones to do it as adults, but it's often just the opposite.

[Sprockets]

8 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

 

The doctor specifically said, approximately two years ago, Ali needed to be in her chair and not be doing a lot of walking or activities that require her to be out of her chair as that takes a toll on her muscles. He said this after being told Ali was falling down a lot. He was going by the information Ali's parents gave him. That is how he determines what course of action he believes is in Ali's best interest on top of what he, as a specialist, feels what lies ahead for Ali, to a certain degree. He seems to have been correct in his assessment. 

 

Yes, I know what he said.  And I also know muscular dystrophy.  It progresses at its own rate regardless of muscle use, activity level, etc.  The problem as I see it is that Ali is falling down a lot, and she has been for a while.  I would be most concerned about injury from that.  She should at least be wearing a helmet at all times.  Leah and Corey love her, but I think they need to be more responsible.  

[Mkay]

 I know it's not a new pic to us but just a reminder. 

[ReadMeLattice]

Unfortunately even though I have a baby, I don't know much about them, lol. Ensley's head looks a little like how my baby's looked right when she was born (like a cone), which went down in no more than a day to become round. Is that what you guys mean by a "flat head?" Why would it stick around like that rather than resolving after birth?

[AirQuotes]

44 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

Unfortunately even though I have a baby, I don't know much about them, lol. Ensley's head looks a little like how my baby's looked right when she was born (like a cone), which went down in no more than a day to become round. Is that what you guys mean by a "flat head?" Why would it stick around like that rather than resolving after birth?

Babies can also develop a flat head from being in their crib too much on their back.  Would any of us be shocked to find out for certain that Jen-yell and David the Neanderthal leave poor little Ensley in her crib to rot between feedings...until MTV shows up to film.  Then they are loving, attentive parents.

As Barb said "Playing family picnic."  That was her best line ever.

[toodywoody]

I loved how Jenelle was all super calm until Barb said Playing Family Picnic and then couldn't follow her own damn advise. I swear.

[Mr. Miner]

She knows her lowlife scumbag daughter likes to pose as a mother in a happy family. Fucking poser bitch!

[VioletNevermind]

12 hours ago, Lm2162 said:

I've actually found life with a newborn "boring" at times, though I adore her and never run out of tasks to complete. If you just do the basics (changing diapers, feeding, sleeping, bathing) the routine can seem boring at least to me even if it's tiring, so I found lists of ways to stimulate newborns and activate their brains and I have fun experimenting with ways to interact with her and make her laugh or look curious before I have to go back to work. It struck me watching Ensley, who seemed pretty young in the episode, that Jenelle will never go beyond "the basics" with her, essentially keeping her alive until the next Instagram shoot. Jenelle doesn't seem interested in doing anything but keeping her kids alive to dress up for photos. She could easily find parents' groups, baby classes, activities for Kaiser or, I don't know, a JOB if she's that bored. 

Perfectly stated.  Women like Jenelle are drawn to "look-at-me-and-my-perfectly-orchestrated-life!" apps like Instagram like a moth to a flame.  I'm glad Barb has her number and didn't force Jace to participate in her jive family picnic/photo shoot.  As for that picture above with the chalkboard, did Jenelle's #GoodVibesOnly include calling the woman who raised her and is raising one of her children because she was too strung out on drugs to do it a bitch?  

(Technically off-topic, but still relevant: You sound like a great mom!)

Edited September 6, 2017 by SuzyLee

[gunderda]

22 hours ago, snarts said:

Janelle lives for that anger.  She's one of those women who feel loved when getting a rise out of man.  She purposely does shit that like to get a reaction and she thrives on the drama.  I feel terrible for all her children.

She totally baited him! Asking if he wanted to lay the sod while he was apparently trying to prep for the sod (i'm assuming) and then when he doesn't want to lay sod she throws a fit because she wants to do something like go to a beach.   Because I guess if David is too busy to lay sod then he can obviously pick up and go to the beach lol   If he didn't want any work with the yard then why couldn't she go somewhere with the kids by herself? (but we know that's too hard for her)

 

17 hours ago, Lm2162 said:

At least Briana has a job. Girl makes shitty decisions and is annoying but she's working while heavily pregnant while most of these girls think maternity leave is a lifetime. 

Briana has a job because she wasn't able to grab onto this series like the original girls.  Best believe if she was on as long as the other girls,  the 3 of them would all probably not have jobs and they would probably all be living together, but in a larger house!

16 hours ago, Abmis said:

I admire Ali's determination.  How did the wheelchair get to the doctor's office?  Leah and Ali walked in but Ali was in it when they left.  Did I miss something?

I assumed maybe Leah went to get it while Ali was doing tests or one of the production crew probably brought it up. That thing is oddly massive though do to the separate controller on the back.

2 hours ago, Sprockets said:

Yes, I know what he said.  And I also know muscular dystrophy.  It progresses at its own rate regardless of muscle use, activity level, etc.  The problem as I see it is that Ali is falling down a lot, and she has been for a while.  I would be most concerned about injury from that.  She should at least be wearing a helmet at all times.  Leah and Corey love her, but I think they need to be more responsible.  

Watching her walk makes me cringe.... I always think those little legs are going to snap in half!

[GreatKazu]

4 hours ago, Sprockets said:

Yes, I know what he said.  And I also know muscular dystrophy.  It progresses at its own rate regardless of muscle use, activity level, etc.  The problem as I see it is that Ali is falling down a lot, and she has been for a while.  I would be most concerned about injury from that.  She should at least be wearing a helmet at all times.  Leah and Corey love her, but I think they need to be more responsible.  

Ali's form of MD is extremely rare. I believe a specialist like Dr. Tsao when he says Ali's activities should have been curtailed to decrease the chance of her condition becoming worse. No doubt her condition will get worse, but if there is a chance, even a slight one, to slow down that process, there was no reason in the world to go against that advice, particularly when both parents expressed concern about her falling down. That is why he advised Leah and Cory to make sure Ali is wearing her helmet and knee pads. We see Ali with her knee pads for the most part, but not the helmet. I assume Ali uses the helmet as often as she is using the chair which seems to be rarely. Why do these people  bother with the doctor if they are going to ignore the top specialist's orders? 

A family member of mine had MS. I remember the doctors advising this family member to be in a motorized chair ASAP so that he could become accustomed to it and make it part of his daily life even though he was still able to walk. I cringe at the thought of what would have happened had he continued to walk instead of using his chair. That was also one of the things Dr. Tsao wanted for Ali. As each day progressed without her using that chair, it was one more day that she wasn't becoming accustomed to it as her daily routine. Her chair and helmet should have been part of her daily routine from the day Dr. Tsao ordered them. Just like Ali puts on her shoes everyday, her chair and helmet should be part of that routine. 

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Watching her walk makes me cringe.... I always think those little legs are going to snap in half!

Me too. I also worry she will fall and hit her head. 

[BitterApple]

I think Leah and Cory are victims of that backward mentality where no ding-dang fancy doctor is gonna tell them what's best for their child. The fact that so many of the family's social media posts are pictures of Ali playing softball with the accompanying hashtags #powerofprayer and #Godisgood, indicates that they're ignorant of the reality that science trumps faith in this case. I'm not trying to discredit anyone's beliefs, but you can pray while following a doctor's instructions. It doesn't have to be either/or.

Edited September 6, 2017 by BitterApple

[leighroda]

This will probably be an unpopular opinion... but I don't really blame Barb for saying Jace didn't want to be around David... she can say she doesn't want Jace around David until she's blue in the face and it won't make one difference to Jenelle, in fact Jenelle would probably be with David more (although that is not physically possible) just to spite Barb. If Barb told Jenelle that Jace didn't want it, my guess is that her hope was that if Jenelle isn't going to care about Barb's feelings that maybe she would have a shred of co cern for Jace, unfortunately Jenelle had no concern for anyone else so that doesn't work. Maybe there are better ways Barb could have gone about it, maybe it should be done in the form of a formal court order, but I think Jenelle needs to hear that Jace himself doesn't want to be around , David.

[Moogen]

5 hours ago, Lm2162 said:

Unfortunately even though I have a baby, I don't know much about them, lol. Ensley's head looks a little like how my baby's looked right when she was born (like a cone), which went down in no more than a day to become round. Is that what you guys mean by a "flat head?" Why would it stick around like that rather than resolving after birth?

It's called bracycephaly - and as a poster above noted it's caused by baby being placed too long and too frequently on their backs in cribs, swings, etc etc, and no or too little tummy time. In short, it can basically be caused or exacerbated by lazy mothers like PBnJenelly. The back of the skull is flattened which in turn pushes the sides of the skull forward resulting in a bulging head like poor Endtable is rocking. 

Endtable seems to have a pretty severe case which is why it's strange that she's not been prescribed a helmet by a pediatrician- if you don't catch and correct the deformity soon enough it can cause permanent damage.  If only Jenelle could take some time out from milk bath and chalk board photo shoots documenting her delusional mother-child relationships the poor fucking baby might actually receive some medical attention for her flat head before it's too late. 

[Pepper Mostly]

5 hours ago, Mkay said:

 I know it's not a new pic to us but just a reminder. 

Dear god, "happy mother's day to me!" does she even hear herself? Its about your kids, you sow. She reminds me of a woman I worked with, who bought her own birthday card and had us all sign it.

[ReadMeLattice]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

Ali's form of MD is extremely rare. I believe a specialist like Dr. Tsao when he says Ali's activities should have been curtailed to decrease the chance of her condition becoming worse. No doubt her condition will get worse, but if there is a chance, even a slight one, to slow down that process, there was no reason in the world to go against that advice, particularly when both parents expressed concern about her falling down. That is why he advised Leah and Cory to make sure Ali is wearing her helmet and knee pads. We see Ali with her knee pads for the most part, but not the helmet. I assume Ali uses the helmet as often as she is using the chair which seems to be rarely. Why do these people  bother with the doctor if they are going to ignore the top specialist's orders? 

A family member of mine had MS. I remember the doctors advising this family member to be in a motorized chair ASAP so that he could become accustomed to it and make it part of his daily life even though he was still able to walk. I cringe at the thought of what would have happened had he continued to walk instead of using his chair. That was also one of the things Dr. Tsao wanted for Ali. As each day progressed without her using that chair, it was one more day that she wasn't becoming accustomed to it as her daily routine. Her chair and helmet should have been part of her daily routine from the day Dr. Tsao ordered them. Just like Ali puts on her shoes everyday, her chair and helmet should be part of that routine. 

Me too. I also worry she will fall and hit her head. 

It will also now be dramatic and upsetting when she does it, likely the result of an accident (though of course I hope she never has any sort of accident, but it seems inevitable given the falling and their refusal to do anything about it). For Ali it will most likely unfortunately be the equivalent of waiting until a deaf child falls down because they couldn't hear someone calling out to them to stop to give them a fucking hearing aid rather than just equipping them with a hearing aid to prevent such problems. It could have been just a part of her life and no big deal. Now it will be a sign of "failure" in her eyes and her parents'. If they believe in God and miracles, why not believe God sent them Dr. Tsao? 

Edited September 6, 2017 by Lm2162

[Miss Chevious]

Unfortunately, if Jace does express himself and says something Jenelle doesn't want to hear, she accuses him of being coached by Barb. So even if he speaks directly to her, there's a good chance his wishes will be ignored. I think he just keeps his true feelings mostly to himself because he's learned by now that Jenelle (and especially UBT) will jump on him for not being on the SwampLAND Express. 

[Sprockets]

5 minutes ago, Moogen said:

Endtable seems to have a pretty severe case which is why it's strange that she's not been prescribed a helmet by a pediatrician- if you don't catch and correct the deformity soon enough it can cause permanent damage.

I hope being seen on national TV increases her chances of being helped by professionals. . . .wait, now that I've typed this I realize the statement applies to most of the people on the show. . . .Hereis a photo of what could happen to Endtimes without treatment, god forbid. . .

[StatisticalOutlier]

30 minutes ago, leighroda said:

This will probably be an unpopular opinion... but I don't really blame Barb for saying Jace didn't want to be around David... she can say she doesn't want Jace around David until she's blue in the face and it won't make one difference to Jenelle, in fact Jenelle would probably be with David more (although that is not physically possible) just to spite Barb. If Barb told Jenelle that Jace didn't want it, my guess is that her hope was that if Jenelle isn't going to care about Barb's feelings that maybe she would have a shred of co cern for Jace, unfortunately Jenelle had no concern for anyone else so that doesn't work. Maybe there are better ways Barb could have gone about it, maybe it should be done in the form of a formal court order, but I think Jenelle needs to hear that Jace himself doesn't want to be around , David.

It's been pretty clear to everybody around here for years that Jenelle has no concern for anyone else than herself, so it's hard for me to cut Barb any slack on the basis of not realizing it herself. 

She's made this bed herself.  Instead of keeping Jace away from Jenelle, which would have been what's best for him (and acknowledging that even "best" in this situation is still pretty shitty), she's had him live in this in-between land, while telling Jenelle that when she gets her life together, she can have Jace.  Barbara seems incapable of just cutting things off, which is what she should have done a long time ago, if she really wanted only what's best for Jace.  But she's connected to Jenelle and can't give her up, and Jace suffers for it.

[ava111]

On 9/4/2017 at 11:24 PM, poeticlicensed said:

Because Javi gets health insurance and his mom watches Lincoln, kail shouldn't have to pay child support? Not the way it works, bitch. And in the previews it looks like Jo is planning on taking her to court also. Double teamed!

Didn't Kail had the same sweet arrangement when she was still married to Javi? Free childcare and insurance from his work. And she still bullied Joe to get bigger child support on Isaac. Hope Joe goes and files too. 

[MaggieG]

I feel like a broken record because I say this every week, but Jenelle and UBT are the worst. Watching UBT go nuts in the yard, dictating when Nathan can see Kaiser and just being creepy in general, I seriously fear for those kids. Kaiser especially. 

[ReadMeLattice]

Ah, ok, makes sense. I had a long labor and I know that's why my pediatrician said my baby's head was like that immediately after birth (being stuck in the birth canal for a while), but she doesn't look like that anymore. I was wondering what her head shape had to do with Jenelle's negligence. Given how she throws her kids in cribs without even bothering to see if they're calm first, I would imagine that's definitely the cause for Ensley.

Those kids have zero routine!! I can't imagine how stressful it would be to be one of them. Even Jenelle's best days are just so emotionally chaotic. There's no given time for anything, there's never just a snoozy slumbery day or an average meal time when they expect food. It's just constant, constant stress. 

Well, except sod laying. That has to be done right motherfucking NOW. 

[StatisticalOutlier]

Oh, and that chalkboard "Happy Mother's Day" thing?  I'm pretty sure when they showed them making it, it didn't have the "happy" on it, and it does look like it was added in later, given the symmetry of the rest of it.  I wonder what happened there.

I do have to admit that she takes nice pictures.  It's a shame it's the only thing she's good at.

[sandwoman]

I bet the reason Kaiser didn't have the head shaped problem is because for all his faults (and there are many!) Nathan was a very attentive and active carer for Kaiser when he was an infant. He held, he interacted with him. He <gasp> took him out of his crib. I am shocked that Ensley doesn't have a doctor prescribed helmet. I know babies with much less flat head that have been given helmets. I wonder if Jenelle takes off the helmet when the cameras are around or something. But that is being generous...

[Moogen]

2 minutes ago, sandwoman said:

I bet the reason Kaiser didn't have the head shaped problem is because for all his faults (and there are many!) Nathan was a very attentive and active carer for Kaiser when he was an infant. He held, he interacted with him. He <gasp> took him out of his crib. I am shocked that Ensley doesn't have a doctor prescribed helmet. I know babies with much less flat head that have been given helmets. I wonder if Jenelle takes off the helmet when the cameras are around or something. But that is being generous...

You're so right - I was wondering how Kaiser avoided it but of course it was Nathan who did the hard yards when Kaiser was a newborn.

Im shocked re: the helmet too but perhaps Jenyell has been a bit neglectful on pediatrician appointments? If she can't make it to the gym I'm guessing pediatrician falls in the too-hard basket and hence no one professional has checked the baby's deformity out. I can hear it now: "God dude! Kids doctors appointments are so boooring! I never get to have fun." 

[TexasGal]

25 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Oh, and that chalkboard "Happy Mother's Day" thing?  I'm pretty sure when they showed them making it, it didn't have the "happy" on it, and it does look like it was added in later, given the symmetry of the rest of it.  I wonder what happened there.

I do have to admit that she takes nice pictures.  It's a shame it's the only thing she's good at.

I was thinking the same - UBT must have had someone write the Mother's Day part or bought it with that on there.  I was thinking it was crazy what pretty handwriting he had and then he scratched the "happy" on it.

[GreatKazu]

Barb's "Playing family picnic" reminded me a bit of Amber's "Have a picnic life, bitch!" 

[TresGatos]

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Especially after her *very telling* admission that she makes an effort not to look insane when being filmed because she "learned the hard way."

This is her making an effort? Jeez Louise!

[CofCinci]

On 9/5/2017 at 11:41 AM, Sprockets said:

So true.  And how about that pile of dead sod?  The stuff doesn't wait until you're done hacking the dirt with a machete, you know.  

I misread the 'sod' as 'son.'

Poor Kaiser. 

[Sprockets]

47 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Poor Kaiser

Well, yes.  Poor Kaiser.  Look who his parents are.  And he is named after a roll.   I've also been worried about the suddeness of his tantrums, but hopefully that's a phase.  

1 hour ago, Miss Chevious said:

 

I think he just keeps his true feelings mostly to himself because he's learned by now that Jenelle (and especially UBT) will jump on him for not being on the SwampLAND Express. 

 

Poor kid.  If he's at all like Jenelle or Barb, he will never identify his true feelings.  Everytime he gets close to a genuine emotion, he'll lash out at whoever is closest.  This show REALLY is not suitable for children, especially the children who are on it.  

[ghoulina]

22 hours ago, RamonaSenomar said:

As is the streak of shows with Briana eating <BAER>.

The amount of styrofoam cups that family goes through.....

 

19 hours ago, SuzyLee said:

To Briana and the coven, that probably means he's not sleeping outside their place in his car every night in a state of cat-like readiness to assist with every diaper change.

Bahahaha, this made me laugh so hard. Because it's true. They don't want the baby daddies taking the girls to THEIR place. No, you must camp out at Coven Cave and be stared at and analyzed the entire time. 

[ghoulina]

13 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

What exactly does UBT plan to do with his video of Jenelle calling her mother a bitch on the phone? Run to Jenelle's attorney with the footage? Share it on SnapChat? Go to Dr. Phil? It only makes Jenelle look like the insane bitch that she is all the time. 

Those two are desperate. They keep repeating how scared BARB must be, because of the tape and the upcoming court date. They're the ones that are scared. 

 

7 hours ago, Mkay said:

I know it's not a new pic to us but just a reminder. 

Kaiser looks like he spotted some wholesome, happy family on the other side of the park that he wants to run away with. Ensley is looking down at the she-beast's hands like, "Why is this woman HOLDING me? I'm usually in my bouncy seat. Weird". 

[Moogen]

7 hours ago, Mkay said:

 I know it's not a new pic to us but just a reminder. 

Just realised she's written "David and THE KIDS" made the chalkboard. She's such a fucking liar/delusional. Jace wasn't around, Maryssa with her mother, and ok Kaiser (David) scratched 'i love you' onto it. Obviously Ensley had no part in it. So what "kids" exactly were in on this gift?! Now I'm totally convinced she wrote that letter purportedly from Maryssa.

[ClassyCourtHeels]

12 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Those two are desperate. They keep repeating how scared BARB must be, because of the tape and the upcoming court date. They're the ones that are scared. 

 

Kaiser looks like he spotted some wholesome, happy family on the other side of the park that he wants to run away with. Ensley is looking down at the she-beast's hands like, "Why is this woman HOLDING me? I'm usually in my bouncy seat. Weird". 

I'm absolutely living for the episode where Janelle gets her ass handed to her in court. 

 

You mean to tell me videos of me screaming bitch at my mother on the phone don't help my case?!?!?!?!?!? Maybe she thought it would since in her words from a few seasons ago, she knows all the judges. 

Edited September 6, 2017 by ClassyCourtHeels

[lezlers]

On ‎9‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 5:29 AM, ElderPrice said:

Dr Tsao looked so sad and wistful for a moment when he said "she's a cute little girl, and a smart girl." It's like he sees what's ahead for that poor child. Heartbreaking. 

And if Jenelle wants to go to the park with the kids, why can't she go to the park with the kids? Put them in the car and go and let that scary maniac flailing around with lawn tools wear himself out. Is she forbidden to leave his sight? LOVED Barb's "playing family picnic" remark. She hit a nerve and sent Jenelle over the edge. 

That's what I kept thinking.  I was unaware that Jenelle suffers from a condition that renders her unable to leave her home without David being attached to her.  I can't even imagine how my husband would react if he was working on something for the house and I was just sitting on the stoop bitching about being "bored, dude!"  I'd probably be getting a divorce right now. She did the same thing with picking up the keys to the rental.  Following David around because she wanted to pick up the keys when he was trying to move stuff and TELLING her to just go get them.  David is a total psycho but Jenelle is fucking exhaustingly codependent.  You're bored?  TAKE YOUR FUCKING KIDS AND GO SOMEWHERE THEN!  Gah.  I can't with her.

Edited September 6, 2017 by lezlers

[lezlers]

On ‎9‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 6:37 AM, fountain said:

I felt really bad for Jace when Barb told Jenelle about him not wanting David there.  To me that is a secret your kid shares with you and as the caregiver and adult need to take the information and then use it to say "I am not comfortable with Jace around David". Now Jace will be worrying about what David will be like the next time he sees him.  Poor kid like he doesn't have enough worries.

Yeah, I agree that was shitty of Barb.  Way to put poor Jace in the middle.  He's obviously already scared of the dude, now it's going to be even worse.  At least have the conversation when Jace isn't right there LISTENING.  Between those two, he really doesn't stand even a tiny bit of a chance.

[GreatKazu]

This is why Jace has a therapist. He needs to share his fears and concerns with HER. The therapist should then advise Barb on how to handle the situation. This is why Jace should have a mediator of some sort who can handle these types of issues when they occur because Jenelle and Barb cannot communicate. 

[Adiba]

22 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

This is why Jace has a therapist. He needs to share his fears and concerns with HER. The therapist should then advise Barb on how to handle the situation. This is why Jace should have a mediator of some sort who can handle these types of issues when they occur because Jenelle and Barb cannot communicate. 

I think Barb was in a no- win situation here. If she says something, she's putting Jace in the middle-- if she doesn't, she's not standing up for him. Likewise, if she takes the bullet for Jace, Jenelle won't listen anyway. I do believe a therapist or third party advocate for Jace would be helpful in relaying his feelings to Jenelle and to Barb. Poor kid.