The Lonely Js Club: James, Jackson & Johannah

[Cinnabon]

On 12/27/2021 at 6:04 PM, Tuxcat said:

Think maybe Michelle was talking to Kendra out back by the inflatable thing. Pretty sure I also saw baby Madyson. And on reddit there is a screen shot of someone who appears to be Josiah. No sightings of Anna, Austin (though Joy and kids were there) or Lauren. But it's possible that Jana was careful with her editing.

Has anyone told Jana the show is over for good? Go ahead and show Anna, unless you’re ashamed, Jana.

[Cinnabon]

Sorry, Jana, the public will not forget and your attempts to show a big, happy family are just comical. And how creepy is it that she continues to call full grown women and men “girls and boys?”

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/pictures/duggar-family-celebrates-christmas-after-josh-duggar-trial-photos/amp/

[Cinnabon]

And from People:

Jana Duggar Shares How Her Family Celebrated Christmas After Brother Josh's Child Porn Conviction
https://people.com/tv/duggar-family-celebrates-christmas-after-josh-duggar-conviction/?amp=true

Edited December 31, 2021 by Cinnabon

[Zella]

10 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

And from People:

Jana Duggar Shares How Her Family Celebrated Christmas After Brother Josh's Child Porn Conviction
https://people.com/tv/duggar-family-celebrates-christmas-after-josh-duggar-conviction/?amp=true

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but that headline is basically Exhibit A of why these people's careers as influencers are over. TLC was smart enough to see that and move on. But I don't think any of them are bright enough to grasp this yet. So, they'll keep trying these distraction posts that work on nobody and just keep attracting negative repetition of all the sordid details about Josh.

Edited December 31, 2021 by Zella

[merylinkid]

4 hours ago, Rootbeer said:

For people who claim to be so frugal, they waste so much.  'Buy used and save the difference' my eye!

With the gravy train ending, they might have to go back to this.   Although used water might not be ideal.  

[Cinnabon]

3 minutes ago, Zella said:

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but that headline is basically Exhibit A of why these people's careers as influencers are over. TLC was smart enough to see that and move on. But I don't think any of them are bright enough to grasp this yet. So, they'll keep trying these distraction posts that work on nobody and just keep attracting negative repetition of all the sordid details about Josh.

Ding! Ding! Ding! 
 

[Zella]

1 minute ago, Cinnabon said:

Ding! Ding! Ding! 
 

It's like some weird inverse of the Streisand Effect. The Duggar Effect? 

[sagittarius sue]

11 minutes ago, Zella said:

It's like some weird inverse of the Streisand Effect. The Duggar Effect? 

The Duggar Effect is related to the Dunning-Kruger Effect.  🤨

[quarks]

4 minutes ago, Zella said:

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but that headline is basically Exhibit A of why these people's careers as influencers are over. TLC was smart enough to see that and move on. But I don't think any of them are bright enough to grasp this yet. So, they'll keep trying these distraction posts that work on nobody and just keep attracting negative repetition of all the sordid details about Josh.

 

The thing is, they did recover from the 2015 scandals. Not completely - from all accounts they continued to be paid less per episode for Counting On than for 19 Kids and Counting, despite featuring more adults - but they did recover.

Which probably explains why they seem to think they can do so again. Post some videos showing that they are all perfectly happy to have Josh in jail and can certainly have a merry Xmas and plenty of cute babies/toddlers without him, let some time pass, and - hello, influencer return.

I'm less sure it's going to work this time, especially given the nature of this particular scandal. But none of this was the fault of the 18 younger kids, so. It might?

[GeeGolly]

I think maybe Jana and the rest of the Duggars are getting too much credit. Beyond a few FU internet posts, which these might be, they kind of seem oblivious to optics. And other than Jessa, I never really felt any of the Duggar SM presence was actually to promote their show. It always felt to me they were doing what everyone else was doing - just posting their lives on SM (with a few influencing attempts).

With that said, Joy is taking a one month break and Jill hasn't posted for a bit, so maybe the trial has a couple of them reevaluating. I kind of doubt it though.

 

[Albanyguy]

2 hours ago, quarks said:

The thing is, they did recover from the 2015 scandals. Not completely - from all accounts they continued to be paid less per episode for Counting On than for 19 Kids and Counting, despite featuring more adults - but they did recover.

Which probably explains why they seem to think they can do so again.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jim Bob is actively encouraging this kind of thinking.

Don't underestimate the extent to which they've been brainwashed to believe that Daddy is always right and that he can fix anything. That belief has been sorely tested by Josh's arrest and conviction and the cancellation of Counting On. Jim Bob must be working overtime to stamp out any seeds of doubt and keep them all in line. The easiest way to do that would be to assure them that the loss of their TV "ministry" is just a temporary setback and that they'll be back on the air very soon, if not with TLC, then with a different cable network. He may even be making vague allusions to "offers" that he's considering. In the meantime, they must all pull together, keep the faith and present a cheerful, united face to the world (and the best way to do this is by pretending that Josh no longer exists).

Edited December 31, 2021 by Albanyguy

[Zella]

2 hours ago, quarks said:

The thing is, they did recover from the 2015 scandals. Not completely - from all accounts they continued to be paid less per episode for Counting On than for 19 Kids and Counting, despite featuring more adults - but they did recover.

Which probably explains why they seem to think they can do so again. Post some videos showing that they are all perfectly happy to have Josh in jail and can certainly have a merry Xmas and plenty of cute babies/toddlers without him, let some time pass, and - hello, influencer return.

I'm less sure it's going to work this time, especially given the nature of this particular scandal. But none of this was the fault of the 18 younger kids, so. It might?

There's a huge difference between the third scandal and a first scandal and any scandal involving child pornography, IMO. I firmly believe TLC pulled the plug when they found out Josh intended to go to trial, and I don't blame them. 

The biggest problem is their billing as a wholesome family unit, which is the only reason they're famous. Good luck trying to convince anyone you're wholesome now after this and that Josh should just be discounted after years of beating the drum about how wholesome and godly and superior the family is.

Someone with better PR chops could pull it off maybe, but these are not those people. 

Edited December 31, 2021 by Zella

[quarks]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

 IMO TLC made the second show for money and optics, so they're not an option, and no one else in the TV industry has any interest in the Duggars.

Oh, Court TV and/or Netflix and/or another streaming service would happily pick up the Duggars if - and only if - the Duggars agreed to lean into the true crime angle.  That's a solid two hour Court TV special; Netflix could probably find someone able to direct/edit a five hour miniseries.

But, a) that's a one time event, not an ongoing show, and b) that seems to be opposite of what Jana, at least, seems to be trying to present in these videos: a wholesome Christian family that plays music together on Christmas and has lots of adorable toddlers and babies. 

It's even possible that Jana posted these videos in part to discourage any approaches from the true crime angle.

 

1 hour ago, Zella said:

There's a huge difference between the third scandal and a first scandal and any scandal involving child pornography, IMO. I firmly believe TLC pulled the plug when they found out Josh intended to go to trial, and I don't blame them. 

The biggest problem is their billing as a wholesome family unit, which is the only reason they're famous. Good luck trying to convince anyone you're wholesome now after this and that Josh should just be discounted after years of beating the drum about how wholesome and godly and superior the family is.

Someone with better PR chops could pull it off maybe, but these are not those people. 

Oh, 100%. To be fair, I think a few of them either do get the difference, or hang around with people who do. Jinger and Jeremy, for instance, hang out with plenty of D list Hollywood people and people desperate to become D list Hollywood people, so, yeah, they either know or they've been told. 

Jim Bob seems, how to put this, less aware.

1 hour ago, Albanyguy said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Jim Bob is actively encouraging this kind of thinking.

Don't underestimate the extent to which they've been brainwashed to believe that Daddy is always right and that he can fix anything. That belief has been sorely tested by Josh's arrest and conviction and the cancellation of Counting On. Jim Bob must be working overtime to stamp out any seeds of doubt and keep them all in line. The easiest way to do that would be to assure them that the loss of their TV "ministry" is just a temporary setback and that they'll be back on the air very soon, if not with TLC, then with a different cable network. He may even be making vague allusions to "offers" that he's considering. In the meantime, they must all pull together, keep the faith and present a cheerful, united face to the world (and the best way to do this is by pretending that Josh no longer exists).

Also, this.

Though I think it's at least possible that at least some of them are at least relieved, if not outright happy, that they won't have to hang out with Josh for at least a few years. So presenting that cheerful, united face might not be all that difficult. 

[Zella]

6 minutes ago, quarks said:

Oh, 100%. To be fair, I think a few of them either do get the difference, or hang around with people who do. Jinger and Jeremy, for instance, hang out with plenty of D list Hollywood people and people desperate to become D list Hollywood people, so, yeah, they either know or they've been told. 

Honestly, I think Jeremy and Jinger are some of the most inept at social media in the entire family, which is sort of impressive in how bad you have to be to win that sporting event.  

[emmawoodhouse]

49 minutes ago, Zella said:

Honestly, I think Jeremy and Jinger are some of the most inept at social media in the entire family, which is sort of impressive in how bad you have to be to win that sporting event.  

Jessa's pretty awful, what with her stupid #sayingsofnotspecialchildren.

[Zella]

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Jessa's pretty awful, what with her stupid #sayingsofnotspecialchildren.

She is, but I'll give her credit for at least being somewhat consistent in her persona. Jinger and Jeremy seem to trade out personas and interests as quickly as they do underwear, and none of them seem to actually match their intended audience. LOL 

[merylinkid]

5 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

The easiest way to do that would be to assure them that the loss of their TV "ministry" is just a temporary setback and that they'll be back on the air very soon, if not with TLC, then with a different cable network. He may even be making vague allusions to "offers" that he's considering.

Oh I can imagine a few networks that might be interested.   In presenting them as a "Good Christian Family who is being attacked for their faith."   Oh who knows they might just start streaming on their own and grifting for donations that way.   I shudder to think exactly how much they can actually bring in with that angle.

[emmawoodhouse]

Maybe the Magnolia Network will take them. Jana's wet dream! 😂

[BigBingerBro]

Just now, emmawoodhouse said:

Maybe the Magnolia Network will take them. Jana's wet dream! 😂

I am sure Jana has been trying to get Chip & Joanna's attention for years.   Remember how she tends to hang out at their store whenever she can?  Hopefully in light of the Duggar's bad publicity, they will stay far far away.

[ChiCricket]

On 12/29/2021 at 10:46 PM, beckie said:

Not sure why, but when I click on the link, I get only a sliver of the image or video. It's happened other times, too and  not sure why as it doesn't always happen. Has anyone else encountered this when clicking the links for Instagram?

Same thing was happening to me. I uninstalled Instagram and then reinstalled it, and it starting working properly again. I did notice other people in the reviews saying  that that's what helped them, so I tried it

. 

[beckie]

3 hours ago, ChiCricket said:

Same thing was happening to me. I uninstalled Instagram and then reinstalled it, and it starting working properly again. I did notice other people in the reviews saying  that that's what helped them, so I tried it

. 

Thanks! I'll try that.

[SMama]

12 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

I am sure Jana has been trying to get Chip & Joanna's attention for years.   Remember how she tends to hang out at their store whenever she can?  Hopefully in light of the Duggar's bad publicity, they will stay far far away.

She’s not the only one. Audrey and Jeremy Roloff made a pilgrimage to the Silos, their first book in hand, in case they happened to meet J&C. What is it about these absolute nobodies that makes them think actual celebrities will just go all fan girl on them?

[sagittarius sue]

13 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

I am sure Jana has been trying to get Chip & Joanna's attention for years.   Remember how she tends to hang out at their store whenever she can?  Hopefully in light of the Duggar's bad publicity, they will stay far far away.

In the recent past the Gaines dodged questions of their pastor's homophobic statements.  I'm sure they'd stay far away from any Duggars.

[GeeGolly]

The Gaines are of the same ilk and aren't all that special themselves. At least Kirk Cameron (ugh, yuck, gross) didn't shun the Duggars, pretending he is somehow better than them.

[Zella]

The Gaines are first and foremost businesspeople. I don't get their appeal, but they do have a lot of mainstream fans and seem to have a better grasp of how to make money and brand themselves than the Duggars do. One of my friends has made the pilgrimage to Waco, which really shocked me when she told me. So, I'm not surprised they happily avoid the Duggars like the blight out of self-protection to avoid having their social media and business partners/network spammed with people complaining about a Duggar connection. It's cowardly, but it's not a bad idea. 

Kirk Cameron has a very different persona/audience/source of income and delights in being controversial, so it doesn't surprise me he had no problem meeting them. 

Edited January 1, 2022 by Zella

[BigBingerBro]

What's really sad is that if Jana had even an ounce of personality and parents that truly supported her ambitions, she most certainly could have created her own spin-off business and show with a home design premis.  Unfortunately her parents prefer to keep her stunted and the unfortunate happenings with her brother have totally squashed those dreams.  I wonder what she thinks her future holds now?

[Churchhoney]

59 minutes ago, SMama said:

She’s not the only one. Audrey and Jeremy Roloff made a pilgrimage to the Silos, their first book in hand, in case they happened to meet J&C. What is it about these absolute nobodies that makes them think actual celebrities will just go all fan girl on them?

Being a Z list celebrity and part of a family or religion or cult or all three that tells you you're one of the most special people in the universe -- and especially chosen by God to tell everybody else what to do -- tends to make you believe you're more like an E-list celebrity, apparently.  😁

Especially if you breathe only the air of a tiny, uneducated, ill-informed bubble. 

Edited January 1, 2022 by Churchhoney

[Churchhoney]

21 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

 I wonder what she thinks her future holds now?

My guess: One day at a time of aggressively portraying herself as a person with a supremely happy heart because Jesus. 

That's pretty much what she's always done once they beat her allegedly fairly vital original spirit out of her, I expect. It's just that now any and all tiny occasional  hopes or dreams that there could be a little change of some kind have probably been extinguished. 

I expect Jessa's life trajectory has been and will be pretty much the same as Jana's, just with the twist of having a husband and kids. But the twist is kind of minor in real substance, as far as I can tell, She too still dangles from the umbilical cord, even though, like Jana, she probably had some hopes and some potential to do otherwise, I think.. 

That's why, while I generally loathe both Jer and Der (not yet sure how I feel about Austin), I still think Jill and Jingle are lucky to have them, since their marriages have at least carried them a little way from ground zero. So they're not jjust perpetually rebreathing the exact same air. 

Edited January 2, 2022 by Churchhoney

[auntieminem]

Jana is on a PR blitz. Look at us, one big happy family and so many friends. She posted a story with NYE party  at the big house. Lots of people. I wonder if this is just a holiday thing or is she going to keep trying to show us how wonderful they are and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain bars.  

[Zella]

Just now, auntieminem said:

pay no attention to the man behind the curtain bars.  

Or her own recent legal woes. 

[FizzyPuff]

In Janas new year story it looks like Mechelle is holding Gracie? I couldn’t get a good screenshot but’s definitely her she was standing next to JB, Seems her missing back muscle has reappeared.  

Edited January 1, 2022 by FizzyPuff

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, Zella said:

The Gaines are first and foremost businesspeople. I don't get their appeal, but they do have a lot of mainstream fans and seem to have a better grasp of how to make money and brand themselves than the Duggars do. One of my friends has made the pilgrimage to Waco, which really shocked me when she told me. So, I'm not surprised they happily avoid the Duggars like the blight out of self-protection to avoid having their social media and business partners/network spammed with people complaining about a Duggar connection. It's cowardly, but it's not a bad idea. 

Kirk Cameron has a very different persona/audience/source of income and delights in being controversial, so it doesn't surprise me he had no problem meeting them. 

The Gaines (both of them) are also college educated. Jana, take note.

2 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

What's really sad is that if Jana had even an ounce of personality and parents that truly supported her ambitions, she most certainly could have created her own spin-off business and show with a home design premis.  Unfortunately her parents prefer to keep her stunted and the unfortunate happenings with her brother have totally squashed those dreams.  I wonder what she thinks her future holds now?

Even with the backing, Jana has no relevant education and isn’t particularly talented in home design, from what I’ve seen.

[Cinnabon]

34 minutes ago, auntieminem said:

Jana is on a PR blitz. Look at us, one big happy family and so many friends. She posted a story with NYE party  at the big house. Lots of people. I wonder if this is just a holiday thing or is she going to keep trying to show us how wonderful they are and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain bars.  

LOL that should impress people, especially when yesterday broke a record for the most Covid cases per day EVER. Yay for Duggar superspreader events!

[emmawoodhouse]

1 hour ago, auntieminem said:

Jana is on a PR blitz. Look at us, one big happy family and so many friends. She posted a story with NYE party  at the big house. Lots of people. I wonder if this is just a holiday thing or is she going to keep trying to show us how wonderful they are and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain bars.  

They Pray In the New Year annually. It's nothing new to see the crowd there on NYE. 

[Westiepeach]

12 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

They Pray In the New Year annually. It's nothing new to see the crowd there on NYE. 

Well, that didn’t work out too well for them last year now, did it?

[emmawoodhouse]

They had the pastor of their church there this year. Hedging their bets? 😁

[babyhouseman]

Somebody commented that the sober party with Duggar music must've been a lot of fun.

[Canadian Girl]

All I can see when I watch the holiday clips is SO. MUCH. LONG. HAIR. OVER THE FOOD. 

[Cinnabon]

4 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

They had the pastor of their church there this year. Hedging their bets? 😁

What church?

[emmawoodhouse]

5 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

What church?

Gospel Light Baptist.

[ginger90]

(Jana)

3 pictures:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CYO24MVFHu3/

[BigBingerBro]

Avoid McDonalds, drink more water and read the bible.   B O R I N G

[Minivanessa]

Just now, BigBingerBro said:

Avoid McDonalds, drink more water and read the bible.   B O R I N G

Thanks for taking one for the team!

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, Jeeves said:

Thanks for taking one for the team!

Yes, thank you! 🙂 I’m never going to click on their Instagram posts. 

[Madtown]

On 1/1/2022 at 12:51 PM, FizzyPuff said:

In Janas new year story it looks like Mechelle is holding Gracie? I couldn’t get a good screenshot but’s definitely her she was standing next to JB, Seems her missing back muscle has reappeared.  

Who is the little girl being held by the girl in pink?

[crazycatlady58]

2 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

Avoid McDonalds, drink more water and read the bible.   B O R I N G

Well if you avoid McDonald's and drink more water you may ba a little healthier. I personally do not find the Bible boring but I do understand that I may one of the few that feels this way.

[cmr2014]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

(Jana)

3 pictures:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CYO24MVFHu3/

This is just tremendously sad. She's 30+ years old and she wants to lay off fries and drink more water.

Oh, and here's a little commercial for a Bible app. She's going to try and read the Bible -- with guidance from an app -- over the course of a year. She's got no job and she doesn't go to school and she's going to try to get through a single book in a year.

[Cinnabon]

16 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

This is just tremendously sad. She's 30+ years old and she wants to lay off fries and drink more water.

Oh, and here's a little commercial for a Bible app. She's going to try and read the Bible -- with guidance from an app -- over the course of a year. She's got no job and she doesn't go to school and she's going to try to get through a single book in a year.

Too funny! And pathetic. Hopefully she concentrates on Jesus and the New Testament, something they all seem to be lacking knowledge of.

[scriggle]

1 hour ago, Madtown said:

Who is the little girl being held by the girl in pink?

I think that might be one of the M's, Meredith maybe?

[dargosmydaddy]

3 hours ago, scriggle said:

I think that might be one of the M's, Meredith maybe?

Definitely not Meredith, who is five. Possibly the right size to be Maryella, but doesn't really look like her. Judging by the number of guests at that party, it could be just about anyone (as in, probably not a Duggar).