The Lonely Js Club: James, Jackson & Johannah

[Churchhoney]

16 minutes ago, Nysha said:

I'm betting that they did exactly what they were taught in Alert. The current ultra-Christian fantasy of the end of the world chaos includes them showing up just in the nick of time, armed to the teeth with their God-given weapons, cloaked in the righteousness of their true Jesus, being superior and in charge while the incompetent foreign government, wrong-Jesus NGOs, and unsaved brown people worship at their feet in awe and wonder. There is nothing taught about being humble servants, following laws, or packing actual meals to eat so they don't rely on the limited available resources. Plus, the Bates and Duggars have been taught PR from all their filming.

Nailed it. ⭐

Edited September 18, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Barb23]

It's been a few days now but I still can't wrap my  head around the fact that they not only brought guns with them but are openly wearing them along with their Mayberry-type badges. And they are supposed to be a Christian organization.  I would really like to hear their explanations of things.

I'm not sure what I would think if I was a Bahamian person & saw this group coming to rescue me.  The openly worn guns would probably scare me to death.  But then I would probably lash out to Jana for wearing skirts & sandals. 

ETA:  I would also ask Abbie what the hell she was thinking when she decided she needed to be there.  Besides the Zika thing, what if something happened & she needed to go to a hospital?  

Edited September 18, 2019 by Barb23

[Ohiopirate02]

29 minutes ago, Barb23 said:

ETA:  I would also ask Abbie what the hell she was thinking when she decided she needed to be there.  Besides the Zika thing, what if something happened & she needed to go to a hospital?  

JD would drop everything, commandeer fuel and take Abby to Florida--God's will and all that.  If some brown people don't get the meals he was supposed to deliver to them, well they should understand.  

[wilsie]

So many times I use a sad emoji when an angry one would be better.

[madpsych78]

Believe it or not, I'd be curious as to what Derick thinks, particularly about the badges and the gun laws. I mean he would totally support them going over to the Bahamas on a mission-cation, but I wonder what he would think about the guys carrying out the law enforcement role on a place that is not their home turf. Especially in light of the training he has had so far in law school. 

[PradaKitty]

At this point I don’t think Derrick has had enough schoolin’ to weigh in on this subject. 

[DangerousMinds]

3 hours ago, Nysha said:

I'm betting that they did exactly what they were taught in Alert. The current ultra-Christian fantasy of the end of the world chaos includes them showing up just in the nick of time, armed to the teeth with their God-given weapons, cloaked in the righteousness of their true Jesus, being superior and in charge while the incompetent foreign government, wrong-Jesus NGOs, and unsaved brown people worship at their feet in awe and wonder. There is nothing taught about being humble servants, following laws, or packing actual meals to eat so they don't rely on the limited available resources. Plus, the Bates and Duggars have been taught PR from all their filming.

Did John David or the Bates go to Alert? 

[DangerousMinds]

2 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

JD would drop everything, commandeer fuel and take Abby to Florida--God's will and all that.  If some brown people don't get the meals he was supposed to deliver to them, well they should understand.  

Sure, he could do that, but it’s fine that the homeless Bahamians left with nothing aren’t even allowed to enter the US because they might be violent, bad people. 🥵🥵🥵

[galaxygirl76]

8 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Sure, he could do that, but it’s fine that the homeless Bahamians left with nothing aren’t even allowed to enter the US because they might be violent, bad people. 🥵🥵🥵

They obviously didn't pray hard enough to the right God, according to one of those Duggar/Bates children probably. 

[Nysha]

18 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Did John David or the Bates go to Alert? 

No, but they all went to the yearly Gothard summer camp where the boys and young men were split off to do Alert/Soldier of God activities while the girls cleaned, cooked, and babysat their younger siblings.

[Ohiopirate02]

21 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

Believe it or not, I'd be curious as to what Derick thinks, particularly about the badges and the gun laws. I mean he would totally support them going over to the Bahamas on a mission-cation, but I wonder what he would think about the guys carrying out the law enforcement role on a place that is not their home turf. Especially in light of the training he has had so far in law school. 

While Derick shares many of the same beliefs as the rest of the Duggars, I do think he would not be happy with the open carrying.  Derick would have had training that emphasized the importance of respecting the culture of whatever country they were working in.  Missionaries are supposed to come as Christians not as Americans.  I think Derick understands this difference in ways that the Duggars and Bates do not.  Derick has shown appreciation for different cultures especially the Nepalese while his in-laws look for the American chain restaurant in Mexico. 

[Natalie68]

16 hours ago, JoanArc said:

Looks like the State Department is aware

Probably won't amount to much, but we can hope.

I have sent notes to TLC about this.  Unless the LEARNING in their name means enabling people to LEARN about grifting.

14 hours ago, MsJamieDornan said:

Yes, I think that's it. All those phony donations to support themselves.

Ding, Ding, Ding!  

[Churchhoney]

35 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

I have sent notes to TLC about this.  Unless the LEARNING in their name means enabling people to LEARN about grifting.

Thank you for your excellent effort! 

I'm not hopeful about any outcome. But I'm glad folks are trying. 

The network got the name The Learning Channel after its initial private owners bought it from HEW and NASA maybe 40 years ago or so.

But, as we've seen to our horror (well, my horror, at least), by the 90s and accelerating like mad in all the years since, the owners of cable channels were deciding that engaging anyone's brains on their networks was a waste because IT DIDN"T BRING ENOUGH BUCKS!!

So the owners switched the name to TLC. And hoped everybody would forget about learning. And since most people really really really really really want to forget about learning 100 percent and all the time....so it came to pass. Well, almost. There are a few dozen of us left who are interested in actual learning, I guess. 

So -- as TLC would say -- Who cares if the Duggars grift! Their Babeez are soooo cute. And they have WEDDINGS!!!! And we love to snark at their clothing but then say, Awwwww.-- Jim Bob loves eeez kidzzzzz! Awwww. And we LOVE guns. Especially when they're carried by fine, handsome CHRISTIAN BOY!!!. (who lie about the guns in their donation pitches!!!)

So I'm pretty sure they're going to support the grifters, since they know most people who watch don't actually care to learn anything about the Duggars (or anything else) anyway. 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Churchhoney

[laurakaye]

On 9/17/2019 at 5:02 AM, GeeGolly said:

Abby was probably flown in to be an accountability partner for Jana. They must not have thought through how to keep a brother at Jana's side and still be able to 'help', nor how it must have looked having Jana there with a bunch of guys. Laura must have come to be Abby's accountability partner on the plane. Plus, Jana must have needed help packing them all up to return home.

I can't even begin to wrap my head around why Jana or Abby or anyone would need a freaking accountability partner in the midst of devastation where people are homeless and searching for their loved ones.  And yet - pregnant Abby must be flown in to keep an eye on Jana, lest she find some time to sneak away and - do what, even?  Show her knees to a local?  What's Jana going to do that requires someone to "account" for her?  If it's a bad look for Jana to be unchaperoned while she supposedly tries to help people stay alive, then Jana and Abby and Laura should've all just stayed home and painted wooden signs or remodeled Michelle's walk-in closet or something.  This entire thing - guns, handcuffs, badges, perfectly applied eye makeup and Instagrammable moments of "look at us, we're HELPING" is truly nauseating.  I don't post a ton here but I do read and I can only hope this little escapade by the Duggars attracts enough controversy that it shuts them right down.

/whew rant

Edited September 18, 2019 by laurakaye

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, laurakaye said:

/whew rant

Excellent rant.

(And I know a thing or two about rants. 😀 )

Edited September 18, 2019 by Churchhoney

[wilsie]

@laurakaye and @Churchhoney   Rant:   verb:  speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way.

"she was still ranting on about the unfairness of it all"  

Sounds good to me.

[EVS]

I still want to hear their explanation for not allowing a 70 year old woman to come into their “headquarters” and out of the heat. I don’t think Jesus would approve. They would probably just deny it ever happened. 

[mythoughtis]

44 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

can't even begin to wrap my head around why Jana or Abby or anyone would need a freaking accountability partner in the midst of devastation

Not only what you said... but Laura was there. And  possibly a Bates female. So Jana had an accountability partner. Laura seems to serve that purpose on domestic trips so why not this one? 

[doodlebug]

6 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

Not only what you said... but Laura was there. And  possibly a Bates female. So Jana had an accountability partner. Laura seems to serve that purpose on domestic trips so why not this one? 

They need accountability partners cuz they're in a ferrin' country with brown people who we know are likely to attack any white wimmin they see,

In other words, they're ignorant racists, which is probably also why they felt it necessary to wear firearms.  Law of the jungle and all that.

[Sew Sumi]

2 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Did John David or the Bates go to Alert? 

No.

[Temperance]

I've been disappointed that even FJ has been slow to realize what's going on here. If even the fellow Duggar snarkers can't be convinced there's something hinky with the coincidentally named charity, badge and gun story, donations, etc., no wonder the media is sleeping on it. 

[galaxygirl76]

29 minutes ago, EVS said:

I still want to hear their explanation for not allowing a 70 year old woman to come into their “headquarters” and out of the heat. I don’t think Jesus would approve. They would probably just deny it ever happened. 

They did what?!? This is the first time I heard about this but I'm pretty high on cold medicine right now so I may have read this before. 

[EVS]

1 minute ago, galaxygirl76 said:

They did what?!? This is the first time I heard about this but I'm pretty high on cold medicine right now so I may have read this before. 

It was in the original post by the storm chaser who ousted them. It was mentioned right before the part about the “oriental” who got physical with someone who wanted to use the bathroom in the Duggar hangout. I’ll try to find the post. 

[crazy8s]

33 minutes ago, EVS said:

I still want to hear their explanation for not allowing a 70 year old woman to come into their “headquarters” and out of the heat. I don’t think Jesus would approve. They would probably just deny it ever happened. 

they would just claim haters are making stuff up - that is their excuse all day, every day.

[EVS]

On 9/16/2019 at 3:37 PM, ginger90 said:

From above:

It’s in the second paragraph. 

[rue721]

Of course they wouldn’t let her in, they’re “good Christians,” not good Samaritans 🙄

[EVS]

2 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

they would just claim haters are making stuff up - that is their excuse all day, every day.

I agree. They conveniently forget that Jesus also didn’t like liars. 

[mythoughtis]

4 minutes ago, EVS said:

It was in the original post by the storm chaser who ousted them. It was mentioned right before the part about the “oriental” who got physical with someone who wanted to use the bathroom in the Duggar hangout. I’ll try to find the post. 

Has anyone discovered the identity of the person the  storm chaser was clumsily and incorrectly trying to describe? 

[doodlebug]

4 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

Has anyone discovered the identity of the person the  storm chaser was clumsily and incorrectly trying to describe? 

Just that he was affiliated with Samaritan's Purse, another fundie charity.

[Natalie68]

59 minutes ago, EVS said:

I still want to hear their explanation for not allowing a 70 year old woman to come into their “headquarters” and out of the heat. I don’t think Jesus would approve. They would probably just deny it ever happened. 

She was showing her knees?

[Tasya]

To play devil's advocate (surprise!) is this guy really the only one that saw them behaving badly? Also, sorry but anyone who refers to someone as an "Oriental" is not the best source for me. 

[Natalie68]

29 minutes ago, Tasya said:

To play devil's advocate (surprise!) is this guy really the only one that saw them behaving badly? Also, sorry but anyone who refers to someone as an "Oriental" is not the best source for me. 

Not sure.  There are pics of them with guns/badges (didn't SEE the cuffs) so at least that is not made up.  While I find his use of that word abhorrent, I find there are a lot of people that use incorrect terms so while that may make them ignorant it doesn't make their facts <of the story> wrong..  

Edited September 18, 2019 by Natalie68
added for clarity

[Tasya]

The guns and badges is bad, but he's accusing them of a lot more than playing keystone cop. Also, calling someone an "Oriental" is not an incorrect term. It's racism. For instance if the Duggars referred to someone using the same word, what would the reaction be? 

[Natalie68]

14 minutes ago, Tasya said:

The guns and badges is bad, but he's accusing them of a lot more than playing keystone cop. Also, calling someone an "Oriental" is not an incorrect term. It's racism. For instance if the Duggars referred to someone using the same word, what would the reaction be? 

I would also find it abhorrent if the Duggars did it.  There is a huge swath of people in this country that do not use correct terms that are considered racist.  I suspect this dude has a lot of the same views as they do.  It is an uneducated term and yes it should not be used.  However, his use of it does not mean that the Duggars were acting as they should.  I am not going to get into a whataboutism discussion.  This story is about a lot more than an uneducated rube using racist speech.  Yes he is accusing them of a lot.  All people want is for it to be investigated.  If untrue, he owes the Duggars an apology.

[Sew Sumi]

31 minutes ago, Tasya said:

The guns and badges is bad, but he's accusing them of a lot more than playing keystone cop. Also, calling someone an "Oriental" is not an incorrect term. It's racism. For instance if the Duggars referred to someone using the same word, what would the reaction be? 

The two are not mutually exclusive. One can be a racist and make accusations, many of which we've seen to be true.

[JoanArc]

1 minute ago, Sew Sumi said:

The two are not mutually exclusive. One can be a racist and make accusations, many of which we've seen to be true.

Thank you!

The fact that this hasn't taken off in the media yet, but every instagram of a Duggar bowel movement gets 10 stories, tells me it won't. I hope I'm wrong.

[Temperance]

If anything it seems more likely to be true that's not some liberal type who's mad, but someone who probably shares a lot of the same beliefs. Those religious types tend to cover for each other; for example, a lot of people defending either Josh or JB and Michelle over how they handled Josh. 

I didn't know that term is a slur, and merely not the correct term. I will be careful not to use it in the future. 

[Sew Sumi]

Yes, now "Oriental" refers to inanimate objects like furniture. The preferred term for people is "Asian." 

And I agree that this guy probably holds a lot of the same beliefs as the Duggars, but what he saw happening on the ground transcended any commonalities.

[Ohiopirate02]

While Medi Corps Corps has not posted any pictures of them wearing guns, one did show a guy with handcuffs on his belt.  I will admit that I did not notice until after this story broke. 

As to calling an Asian person oriental, some people of a certain age have words like that ingrained in their vocabulary.   My mother is one of them.  I have tried to correct her, but it does no good.  

[Sew Sumi]

My MIL is 87, and as racist and xenophobic as can be. But she's been trained to use "Asian." Why? Her only grandchild is half Chinese. 

[louannems]

3 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

Has anyone discovered the identity of the person the  storm chaser was clumsily and incorrectly trying to describe? 

I wonder if the "Oriental" Asian man was the Duggars' sweet friend from Indonesia?  He's been on other missioncation trips with them.

[Sew Sumi]

I haven't seen Jonathan Hartono in any of their pictures, including group shots.

[Churchhoney]

49 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Yes, now "Oriental" refers to inanimate objects like furniture. The preferred term for people is "Asian." 

And I agree that this guy probably holds a lot of the same beliefs as the Duggars, but what he saw happening on the ground transcended any commonalities.

As you may remember, at the beginning of his posts about this, he mentioned that when he first saw them and realized who they were, he was pleased they were there. He said he'd liked them. But then things they did began to disturb him......

Doesn't prove anything, of course. ... But he's certainly not me, for example. 

Edited September 19, 2019 by Churchhoney

[ginger90]

3 pictures:

[cmr2014]

It's interesting that they "got x working" is a reoccurring theme. It's possible that they do possess some of the mechanical skills that they brag about so often. They might have actually been helpful if they had gotten vehicles and ACs working for the actual NGO workers and for the people in the community. If they had done that, though, they wouldn't have had time to parade around with their guns and badges, order people around, and take endless pictures of themselves "working."

They also would have been stuck in place and not had the opportunity to travel around and loot  requisition items that might have some value.

[ginger90]

2 videos:

[GeeGolly]

3 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

2 videos:

No mention of the wealthy Bates or Duggars donating anything significant.

[GeeGolly]

6 hours ago, mynextmistake said:

Do we know that’s why Abbie went on the trip, or is that just speculation? Abbie is a formally trained, licensed nurse. She’s probably the only Duggar/Bates who could actually provide practical assistance to the citizens of a devastated country. I assumed that was why she went, not because Jana needed an accountability partner. I could be wrong, but it’s nice to think that there was at least one actual helper riding in the clown car with the rest of these doofuses.

As for Zika, it’s not endemic to Bermuda. There have been 5 cases of it there in the last 4 years, all imported. There were 218 cases of it in Florida in 2016 alone, but I doubt anyone would have an issue with Abbie traveling there. 

Abby travelling as an accountability partner is pure speculation. She did only come for the last 6 days, so if the Duggars thought her nursing background would be helpful, they waited over a week to bring her to the Bahamas.

The Bahamas Zika risk was downgraded in 2019 and there's little risk at this time. I don't know how the risk spreads or increases, but heat and moisture are a prime breeding ground for mosquitoes. And the islands are basically a hot swampy mess of debris with standing water. I'm guessing it's possible the storm may make the island more risky for Zika now or in the near future.

Edited September 19, 2019 by GeeGolly

[doodlebug]

6 hours ago, mynextmistake said:

Do we know that’s why Abbie went on the trip, or is that just speculation? Abbie is a formally trained, licensed nurse. She’s probably the only Duggar/Bates who could actually provide practical assistance to the citizens of a devastated country. I assumed that was why she went, not because Jana needed an accountability partner. I could be wrong, but it’s nice to think that there was at least one actual helper riding in the clown car with the rest of these doofuses.

As for Zika, it’s not endemic to Bermuda. There have been 5 cases of it there in the last 4 years, all imported. There were 218 cases of it in Florida in 2016 alone, but I doubt anyone would have an issue with Abbie traveling there. 

Actually, I would.  There is no reason for a pregnant woman to travel to areas where Zika has been found except in unusual circumstances and I have advised pregnant women against vacationing in Florida.

There are also a lot of other reasons why a pregnant woman should avoid travel to places where there may be issues with sanitation, clean water and other basic necessities.  What if she had a newborn?  Would it be ok to take the baby down there?  The Duggars are all about protecting the unborn unless their own self-interest is at stake.  There are ample medical personnel with proper training and experience dealing with the medical needs after natural disasters.  Abbie had nothing special to offer and she should've stayed home.  I presume the show will get a lot of mileage out of her presence and tell us how brave and strong she is to be there.  Bullshit.

We've seen absolutely no evidence that Abbie is doing anything resembling nursing in the Bahamas.  We've seen her posing at the airport with the rest of them.  We've seen her sitting in air conditioned comfort eating Chik Fil A.  There is no nursing being done in those places.  Abbie is an LPN whose only work experience is in a nursing facility.  She hasn't worked in an ER, an Urgent Care or anyplace else where she'd have much experience with first aid.  I expect she has done virtually no nursing down there.  The Bahamian government has NEVER requested random LPN's to travel down there with random non-professional groups and help out.  She didn't go down there to be a nurse and she shouldn't have gone at all.

Edited September 19, 2019 by doodlebug

[Jynnan tonnix]

12 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

My MIL is 87, and as racist and xenophobic as can be. But she's been trained to use "Asian." Why? Her only grandchild is half Chinese. 

My mother is 85 and doesn't have a racist bone in her body, but she can't get used to saying "Asian". Her thinking is that "Oriental" is a useful adjective, since people from, say, India or certain parts of Russia are Asian, but have quite different facial features as, say, the Chinese or Japanese. And lumping all those different features under "Asian", then, when describing someone whose background you might not know, having to  resort of something like, "well, he might be Chinese. Or Japanese, or something...maybe Korean, I'm not sure", is much clumsier than having a word like "Oriental" available to use. I'm not sure I disagree with her, as it is hard for me to tell at a glance which of those countries someone's ancestry lies.