Season 2 Discussion

[DangerousMinds]

1 hour ago, Desert Rat said:

This is a great point. If Mo can't get health insurance and goes on Medicaid, does Danielle have to reimburse the government for any medical care Mo receives under Medicaid?  Ouch!  

Now I get why Danielle was pushing so hard for an annulment and deportation. 

I wonder how many of these idiots consider the potential long-tern financial ramifications for sponsoring someone coming into this country. My guess is near zero. Danielle didn't. She seems completely blindsided.

I thought the same thing. I used to rub my children's arms that way to keep them settled and quiet in church or other public settings.  Weird to do that to a spouse. 

He is not eligible for Medicaid.

[LeeluDallas]

On 9/4/2017 at 4:58 PM, Nowhere said:

They made fun of her looks, laughed at her and called her a liar when they found out Jorge was her first, accused her of going to a "gold digger's academy", called her a bitch, wouldn't let her respond or defend herself, etc. I think that's bullying. Even if we are all thinking these things, they don't need to be said. It wasn't just that they asked questions. They were pretty vicious. 

I'd just like to say that I've seen a TON of ppl posting on here about Jorge, Chantal, Anfisa, Loren or Paola this whole season - with the same 'bullying' talk that you accuse the 'mean girls' of having. You cannot say they were bullies if all they are doing is repeating whats ALL OVER these threads...  its absolutely 'pot calling kettle'  

PLUS Anfisa readily admits she exchanges sex for money and gifts - (Prostitute). 

She also admits (and we have seen on screen) that she screams and demands, stops Jorge from talking to his family, and hits Jorge - (Bitch)

And she admits she wants to marry wealthy men only! - (Golddigger)

She kinda admits to some other glamour procedures and to Botox (which makes her easy target for ppl to lust after her OR to be turned off by the plastic) 

This is a forum where everyone observes and usually criticizes the characters on TV - and you're mad that those girls, did the same thing, most here do every week? Hahaha  come on...  lets be a bit more aware of our own stone throwing.  My opinion of Anfisa does not go up bc she is proud of being a shitty person. Loren and Pao could have had more tact and not been so arrogant (bc they are no prize) -  but they were asking the questions the host would never get to - and making comments I've seen repeated on this forum time and time again.  Just sayin...  glass houses 'n all that lol

[Desert Rat]

40 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

He is not eligible for Medicaid.

Why not?  In my state, as a green card holder, Mo is entitled to full Medicaid coverage if he meets the income limits.  He doesn't have a great work record, so once the TLC money runs dry, his income may drop below those limits.  

[LeeluDallas]

1 hour ago, SoshulMeedya said:

In a general sense, you are correct. We are all guilty.

But.

Context is also important. This is a snark site, very obviously so. If a cast member comes here to read, they can realistically expect to see some harsh things. 

Would I sit in a room with people I actually know and talk to them that way? No, I would not. I treat people respectfully even if I don't like them or agree with them.

When people pimp themselves out on tv, they open themselves up to public scrutiny. Whether it's fair or not, that is different from how we handle relationships in real life. (Hopefully)

I agree with that, and by all means understand that its not a nice thing to do in a polite society but this was not that, so I will apply context to this situation:

This was a 'Tell -All' - a public, face to face opportunity to get all of these dramatic self serving 'characters' a chance to voice their opinions and concerns regarding their experience and the experiences of their cast mates. Loren even said she was happy to have a chance to say these things to Anfisa and Jorge without hiding behind a keyboard - or Instagram post etc.

Do I feel she presented her issues in a calm collected and thoughtful manner?   Ummm that would be a big ol' hell no lol

The way she came across was not at all polite or considerate - however bullying is a stretch.

Like you say "When people pimp themselves out on TV, they put themselves up to public scrutiny" This includes Anfisa. She didn't seem to be all that bothered by it (maybe that's just all the Botox?) - considering she freely admits to all of the harsh criticism coming from the 'mean girls'. She was more upset about the whole hypocritical Jorge's sister was mean to me event. How is Jorge supposed to defend her? She says she 'loves' Jorge only when he can provide flashy stuff, vacations, and cosmetic surgery. And her body (and what she does with it) should be enough 'love' for Jorge, but only when the gravy train is chuffing along! If she wants to be this honest about her intentions then Lourde's has every right to be aghast and offended of her agenda. She was returning Anfisa's own bluntness and in turn Anfisa can't stand the heat bc she knows ,deep deep down, what she is doing isn't nice for a sister to watch happen to her brother (no matter how much anyone thinks he 'deserves it') If that was my brother I'd be fiercely protective and I'd also tell my brother he was a twat if he was acting like Jorge.

To me, Loren's approach only proves how upset she is by being associated with the train wreck that is J+A and M+D.

And lets not forget the added stress of being taped for 14 hours in a row and wound up to the max by Mohamed and his cold, con man reverse speech technique of never really answering a question and playing the victim; or Danyyeeels constant blubbering/whining.  I don't think the friendship with Pao is at all healthy tho. Pao has some serious issues and other than being a little spoiled and at most, annoying, Loren has potential to be a better person with a calm reasonable influence like Alexi. Pao is pretty much set in her ways... her. ways.

Edited September 7, 2017 by LeeluDallas
spelling: aghast... not a word I use often lol

[LeeluDallas]

3 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

He is not eligible for Medicaid.

I think you mean as in on her medicaid? Bc now they are divorced he maybe eligible but would have to meet income requirements and I believe held accountable for it on his own.. ? I maybe wrong. I usually confuse Medicaid and Medicare lol

[Bibi]

On ‎04‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 1:02 AM, Horrified said:

Why doesn't the host ask Pao why she doesn't get some other type of job?  Restaurant hostess, behind the cosmetics counter of the drugstore........you won't ever have a CAREER as a model.  Time to do something that will contribute to the household income without antagonizing your husband. 

Paola  needs to realize that she's not that young. Who starts a modeling "career" in their 30s?. What type of career could she actually achieve at her age and with her soooo classy looks, apart from showing her fake boobs off? What she wore on the show was not even a dress. Come on.

Russ needs to understand  that if she doesn't get so many jobs now, she won't find any when she stops showing her ass off. Cause she has nothing else to offer.

She is the worst of all. She used her husband as well cause she expected to be a famous model and to live her life in Miami. She had never been planning on living with Russ in Oklahoma. He too was a means to an end. This guy pisses me off cause when he met Paola, she already looked like that. And now you're telling her "no lingerie ". What did you expect??

At the end of the day, if most of them on this show are looking for their soulmate in other or poorer countries, it's because they have a hard time finding someone at home. Who wants to live with someone like Danielle? Or Loren who cries every 2minutes (when she's not yelling at anybody).

None of these relationships are detached. Everybody gets something so can Paola and Loren stop pretending to be perfect.

Paola's comment about gold digging academy  in Russia was really derogatory. If someone asked her the same question, it would be racist. Again, the host was sleeping...

[AZChristian]

10 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

He is not eligible for Medicaid.

There are a lot of people who are not "eligible" for government assistance of various types who manage to get it nonetheless.  Some are citizens, some are not.

[Drogo]

Just for fun... an uncanny "Mean Girls" comparison...

[Cini]

The couples are on the show voluntarily. For all we know, some of them are begging to be featured in more than one season.                                                                                                                                    Why do they want to be on a reality show? Money, "fame", future opportunities? I neither know nor care to be honest. Fact is they agree to show part of their lives to anybody who cares to watch. Some of them (Paola and Anfisa for example) go further and plaster their social media sites with photoshopped pics of their butts and boobs. Why? Presumably because they want the attention. If they can't handle the fact that not everybody applauds them, their motivations, their choices, they can easily return to obscurity. Stop being on the show, set your social media pages to private and in a month or two nobody will remember your name.

They don't need to read any forum where the show, and by extension the cast members, is discussed. I never comment on their social media pages, but others do and to accuse anybody who has a negative comment of bullying, or being jealous (ha!), is simply deflection.  Their "fame" is only due to people like us being momentarily interested in them. 

[Lily247]

On 9/6/2017 at 10:53 PM, magemaud said:

My theory is that Mo avoided having sex with Danielle until he found out that it would be harder for her to get an annulment if the marriage had been consummated, so he gritted his teeth and did it exactly ONCE while thinking of his Green Card

I was wondering about this. How could a couple in modern day America prove a marriage is consummated ? (Other than proof of children together). 

I was sure that no actual sex had gone on between Mo and Danielle, until Mo mentioned her "medical sexual problem" that I presume one could only find out from intercourse, or attempted intercourse. 

From what I have seen I dislike Mo a lot. The elephant in the room of course is: if he's not a fraud, and he came here 100% for Danielle, wouldnt he be on a plane back to Tunisia after his failed marriage ? But no - he wants to stay here in the US, since the economy in Tunisia is apparantly in the dumpster since the arab spring. The same with Anfisa - she claims to have left everything behind in Russia for Jorge, she seemingly has not much going on here in the US, and when the marriage failed, she chooses to stay in the US. I just cant stand the contempt these people seem to have for Americans after they clearly frauded their way to get here and nobody forced them to come. 

However Mo behaved with a lot of class and restraint while he was being yelled and verbally attacked unprovoked. He simply said "calm down calm down" and "please dont curse at me" and Pao claimed he was being disrespectful or something.

I am quite surprised that he agreed to do this show to begin with and didnt choose to quietly marry someone to get here, its apparantly not that hard. 

[LeeluDallas]

49 minutes ago, Matias130 said:

I was wondering about this. How could a couple in modern day America prove a marriage is consummated ? (Other than proof of children together). 

I was sure that no actual sex had gone on between Mo and Danielle, until Mo mentioned her "medical sexual problem" that I presume one could only find out from intercourse, or attempted intercourse. 

From what I have seen I dislike Mo a lot. The elephant in the room of course is: if he's not a fraud, and he came here 100% for Danielle, wouldnt he be on a plane back to Tunisia after his failed marriage ? But no - he wants to stay here in the US, since the economy in Tunisia is apparantly in the dumpster since the arab spring. The same with Anfisa - she claims to have left everything behind in Russia for Jorge, she seemingly has not much going on here in the US, and when the marriage failed, she chooses to stay in the US. I just cant stand the contempt these people seem to have for Americans after they clearly frauded their way to get here and nobody forced them to come. 

However Mo behaved with a lot of class and restraint while he was being yelled and verbally attacked unprovoked. He simply said "calm down calm down" and "please dont curse at me" and Pao claimed he was being disrespectful or something.

I am quite surprised that he agreed to do this show to begin with and didnt choose to quietly marry someone to get here, its apparantly not that hard. 

yes to all of this but class? I think it was more like cold contempt.

[Sprockets]

4 hours ago, Matias130 said:

. How could a couple in modern day America prove a marriage is consummated ? (Other than proof of children together). 

No one could ever prove it.  

[jennylauren123]

1 hour ago, Sprockets said:

No one could ever prove it.  

Videotape the act.

[Raja]

1 minute ago, jennylauren123 said:

Videotape the act.

Beat me to it. Although politically it would not fly. I could imagine the sex tape being part of the packet of evidence submitted among the few who dream of being a porn star.

[Sprockets]

2 hours ago, jennylauren123 said:

Videotape the act.

Would have to be extreme genital closeup in order to verify, and now I'm going to go throw up.  

[BXD]

On September 4, 2017 at 9:51 AM, mayvenne said:

The area where I disagree with most of you is that I thought (other than the talking over people) that Loren was great. I thought she was rightly calling out the ones who really went into this for a fake purpose.

I see this is an unpopular opinion to have, but I agree. I loved seeing Danielle and Mo and Jorge and Anfisa called out for their fraud. 

[Sprockets]

13 minutes ago, BXD said:

 

On 9/4/2017 at 9:51 AM, mayvenne said:

The area where I disagree with most of you is that I thought (other than the talking over people) that Loren was great. I thought she was rightly calling out the ones who really went into this for a fake purpose.

I see this is an unpopular opinion to have, but I agree. I loved seeing Danielle and Mo and Jorge and Anfisa called out for their fraud. 

 

I don't think any of them was defrauding anyone but each other, if they were.  At one point they wanted to be together, for whatever reason.  We cannot know those reasons or what really happened.  

As far as Loren speaking out, she had a right to state her opinion, but she was a shrill baboon while doing it.  Her body language, tone and volume were confrontational.  IMO she was the only one making herself look bad, as usual with her.  There are so many other way she could have stated her position - mature, calm, reasonable ways.  She chose to present herself as a Mean Girl.  

[Lily247]

11 hours ago, LeeluDallas said:

yes to all of this but class? I think it was more like cold contempt.

Ehh, could one really expect him to smile and debate back with a woman saying "F--- you"  for absoltely no reason than to bring attention to herself ? Cold contempt was probably the classiest route here. Im no fan of Mo or really any of these peeps except for Pedro and his English ... "nobody trust Pedro becau of YOU!" XD

8 hours ago, Sprockets said:

No one could ever prove it.  

Right .. which makes me wonder why Danielle thinks that Mo had to have sex with her exactly once to make the marriage legalized. 

[Sprockets]

20 minutes ago, Matias130 said:

Right .. which makes me wonder why Danielle thinks that Mo had to have sex with her exactly once to make the marriage legalized. 

Technically she is correct.  She also needs a semi-plausible reason why her husband didn't want to touch her again.  

[Desert Rat]

7 hours ago, jennylauren123 said:

Videotape the act.

Oh, God, please, no.  Now these wannabe stars are gonna produce Kardashian-style videos as insurance against annulment.  No links please.  

[CoachWristletJen]

On 9/7/2017 at 9:44 AM, AZChristian said:

There are a lot of people who are not "eligible" for government assistance of various types who manage to get it nonetheless.  Some are citizens, some are not.

I think Mo is going to stay his healthy, whining self, but for the sake of example, say he lost both his legs in the upcoming hurricane and was unable to drive for Uber anymore. He would be permanently disabled and then he would qualify for Medicaid.

Of course, Danielle doesn't really worry about things that are going to happen in the future. That's just not the way her brain is wired. Considering she usually doesn't anticipate consequences until well after they've happened, this is all about control of/revenge upon Mo. Also, getting him out of the way financially so she can import another one.

These guys are warmer than RealDolls and in her mind, better father figures (but I say go with the RealDoll because it won't call the cops on your daughter when he's arguing with her over computer time).

Edited September 8, 2017 by CoachWristletJen

[jpagan05]

On 9/4/2017 at 7:15 AM, wings707 said:

Advice for Danielle= Walk away and have nothing more to do with him.  Stop trying to get him deported.  Take responsibility for the part you played, and stop blaming.  

 

On 9/4/2017 at 2:33 PM, CoachWristletJen said:

However, her obsession, it's a real thing with a life of its own. She has a serious and unhealthy interest in Mo.

 

On 9/4/2017 at 2:34 PM, realitymaven said:

But how else does it distort your own perception of yourself? I think I would end up in a padded cell after only one season!

All this!! Why tf doesn't Danielle get off of soshul meedya? All she does is torture and delude herself. 

And the idea of her selling portraits of herself makes me want to cry. She has seen herself on TV. Why does she always make a face like a bulldog who's had a stroke? Please, for the love of all stop signs in the galaxy, get off this show!

[jpagan05]

I will hire this Pao when I return to Miami.....

[Sprockets]

39 minutes ago, jpagan05 said:

Why does she always make a face like a bulldog who's had a stroke?

And people talk about Loren's twitches. . . .actually, Loren talks about Loren's twitches.  It occurs to me that, unlike so many people, Danielle actually has way too much self-esteem.  She clearly does not see the person we see when she looks in the mirror.  

[Arwen Evenstar]

Bulldogs are adorable.  Danielle is not.  

[Sprockets]

2 minutes ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Bulldogs are adorable. 

And bulldogs are house trained.  

[Pretty5Vacant]

2 hours ago, jpagan05 said:

I will hire this Pao when I return to Miami.....

He looks like he's about to lose it. Wish Russ would make this face and go off on his wife

[Lily247]

On 9/5/2017 at 10:42 PM, Ivanova said:

I don't think there is a stigma attached to the K-1 visa process. Just like the German poster said above, I have never had people ask me what type of visa I used to move here. People ask about the culture, the politics, the food, how long it takes to go across the country, etc. Maybe I only know nice people. There might be a stigma about marrying someone from another country, but I think it's mostly exhibited by those who are against immigration in general. And in that case, the stigma would also apply to the CR-1 spousal visa, etc.

The approval rate for K-1 visas is extremely high, over 95%. It's not smart to blame someone else for your visa being denied. When you get a denial, they give you a paper that states exactly what reason, according to the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), the denial was based upon. I don't think any of those sections of the INA say "Your visa was denied because a lot of other people have commited fraud". The decision is made on a case by case basis. If you say that your visa was denied, you should also tell the reason, it's very transparent. Was the K1 visa denied or was the I-129 petition denied? That's two completely different things. Let's assume the petition was approved, but the visa got denied, because that's how Loren phrased it. Here are some common reasons for visa denial :

2

I highly doubt that Loren and Alexei's visa was ever denied. I really beleve that this was conjured as a storyline their first season in order to make hem appear more interesting and give them "obstacles" to overcome. 

As someone who has been through a similar process, I never tell people the type of visa that we used, because people tend to narrow their eyes and make assumptions. A lot of people think that obtaining a Green Card through marriage is code for "this is just a marriage of convenience." and "we're using each other".  Actually, because a lot of times it is true (not all the time; plus, some cultures tend to import fiancees for arranged marriages - like Indian, Pakistani, etc. I imagine these people always get approved) 

Edited September 9, 2017 by Matias130

[Mindthinkr]

I'm surprised that Danielle could read anything (texts) on her phone as the screen was so dirty. Disgusting. 

[Rabithed]

On 2017-08-27 at 11:16 PM, jackjill89 said:

I was appalled at the way they treated the possibility of Loren's child having Tourette's. For goodness sake, it's not cancer. So, you have a special needs child. Guess what? Your life will not end. The child will have many strengths as well as the challenges brought on by the disability, IF he/she inherits it. I thought Chantal's response was horrid. She's a nurse! It's not a disease! Holy crap, let's make Loren feel worse than she already does. Different doesn't mean less or bad. I thought that whole conversation was awful. I don't think Chantal has taken her class on bedside manners yet. Paola was the one who had the nicest things to say. 

I'm watching this mess again today and it occurred to me Chantal of the gritted teeth spat out that comment knowing Tourette's is not the worst disease you could pass on to children and to finally get Loren to see she's going overboard about it.

To top it off, before they go to the break they keep showing Alex completely oblivious to Loren's pity party. I think that is his way of handling her. Not to encourage the histrionics. 

[gonecrackers]

Alex is so funny to me. He just sat there with his "why the hell am I here & when can I go home" face on... awesome.

[Former Nun]

On 9/2/2017 at 0:40 PM, Toaster Strudel said:

I agree: his thirst for revenge and humiliation is disturbing.

It may be disturbing, but it's pretty common...and understandable, especially with a man who is insecure and has (probably) never been popular with the ladies.

[TonyasBlueEyeshado]

Danielle walking out with the pizza was the saddest thing I've ever seen.

[NinaH]

Just now, hawkhd said:

Danielle walking out with the pizza was the saddest thing I've ever seen.

But that producer (?) telling her to go do something else was the most awesome thing. 

[Sprockets]

Well that was a huge time suck.  George:  "Ask her what she's doing.  I won't tell you."  Anfisa:  "I'm not doing anything."  Lather, rinse, repeat.  

I guess she's become a Mormon?  Taken up knitting?  Become one of those terrifying knitting Mormons?  

I think we all know what Anfisa is doing.  

[Kid]

3 minutes ago, hawkhd said:

Danielle walking out with the pizza was the saddest thing I've ever seen.

After all, she is entitled to food.

[Landlord]

TO Mohammed as Danielle calls him back after the tell all: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_gs4gCyGKs

[DangerousMinds]

I'm sure the others ate it as well.

[NinaH]

2 minutes ago, Sprockets said:

Well that was a huge time suck.  George:  "Ask her what she's doing.  I won't tell you."  Anfisa:  "I'm not doing anything."  Lather, rinse, repeat.  

I guess she's become a Mormon?  Taken up knitting?  Become one of those terrifying knitting Mormons?  

I think we all know what Anfisa is doing.  

At this point Anfisa should just own it and at least pretend she's not ashamed. Take George's wind right out of his sails and not be shamed for it And turn his little sick game around on him. 

[Toodleoo]

I about died at the face Danielle made after she said she wanted to be awarded in her favor. 

[NinaH]

5 minutes ago, Landlord said:

TO Mohammed as Danielle calls him back after the tell all: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_gs4gCyGKs

The way Mo handles Danielle is brilliant. He stays calm, tries to avoid her and makes sure to have witnesses to her fatal attraction behavior.  He's a con artist and played her and that is not admirable. But I get a kick out of him letting her spin like a top. 

[jenrising]

7 minutes ago, SoshulMeedya said:

So what do we think about Anfisa? Stripper? 

Stripping, hooking, murder for hire, anything she could do is better than being with that creep. 

[Liamsmom617]

Jorge is really emanating  a serial-killer vibe at this point. I laughed when people on this board predicted that we will eventually see Jorge and Anfisa on the ID Channel, but now I agree. Yikes.

Edited September 11, 2017 by Liamsmom617

[Awfarmington]

'I need him to confirm his address so I can sue him'...slightly paraphrasing, but it's the first time Danielle made be laugh out loud. 

 

Poor Alexi. Just come out and tell Loren she's obnoxious and embarrassing. She forgive him, because he's so delicious. 

 

Chantel pretty much telling Pao to shut her trap was priceless.

 

Pao snarking on Anfisa for walking off...um, didn't she walk off when Russ said she hasn't turned many jobs down??

[Cherrio]

4 minutes ago, Liamsmom617 said:

Jorge is really emanating  a serial-killer vibe at this point. I laughed when people on this board predicted that we will eventually see Jorge and Anfisa on the ID Channel, but now I agree. Yikes.

He is a spoiled brat with no balls.   A fat ugly nothing.

Shades of Indle King, as he would have someone else kill, cause he is a coward.

He is just made because she dumped him.

It will be easy for her to find some dopey rich guy and have a decent life.   In between the nonsense, she is quite smart and witty.

          I can't stand Russ.

[Awfarmington]

9 minutes ago, Liamsmom617 said:

Jorge is really emanating  a serial-killer vibe at this point. I laughed when people on this board predicted that we will eventually see Jorge and Anfisa on the ID Channel, but now I agree. Yikes.

He sure is! I can see him on Snapped. 

[Liamsmom617]

I guess Jorge and Anfisa are both embarrassed to have met when she was a webcam girl....but why? It would be refreshing if they would just admit to it  We've all assumed/suspected it anyway. 

Edited September 11, 2017 by Liamsmom617

[Calibabydolly]

I just read they have both signed with a talent agency and it appears they are back together. I think they are both going to milk this marriage for all that it's worth and it may be a reality show of them!

[Cherrio]

1 minute ago, Liamsmom617 said:

I guess Jorge and Anfisa are both embarrassed to have met when she was a webcam girl....but why? It would be refreshing if they would just admit to it  We've all assumed/suspected it anyway. 

No biggie imo.    He is the one who lied and is a convicted felon.

He didn't spill it because she has way worse on him I suspect.

[Awfarmington]

I think George holding back had nothing to do with feeling ashamed...he told the whole world that he sells weed for a living. So having a business that's  morally questionable wouldn't bother him.

My take, is he's afraid if he does, that may be the last straw for Anfisa and she would leave him for good. Or maybe let the IRS know he isn't claiming all his income. 

Edited September 11, 2017 by Awfarmington