S09.E07: Bidding on Love

[BBHN]

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If they go outside the area code for a bridge and tunnel guy like John you get nothing but judgment, snark and scorn. Bethenny, Carole and Romona had nothing but bad things to say about him

John's douchebaggery has nothing to do with geography.

[Trooper York]

The reaction to him does. It is the basis of the snide condescending attitudes of all of these women. Especially Bethenny.

John reminds her of every knock around guy she ever met with her father at the racetrack. She had a visceral hatred for him. Unlike a ball less wimp like Tom.....err....wait...I mean an Upper East Side Gentlemen.....John didn't want to put up with her crap and told her what he thought in an honest and forthright manner. 

I am just glad that John has figured this out. He is only making cameo appearances. Having his business on the show is not worth it as the party where Ramona went off proved in all of its insane glory. He should only film in the briefest and least involved way. Any man who films on this show is submarined. Think about it. Who got a good edit? Not a one. Except maybe for Bobby Zarin who also just supported his wife and kept out of the limelight. Men do not do well on the Housewives shows. 

[BBHN]

Nah, he'd get that reaction regardless where he is from. Assholes are assholes regardless...granted, I wasn't with Bethenny when she was meeting all those guys at the race track with her dad, so I can't really comment on the type of guys she met...

Also him not appearing so much means people might get less of a coked up vibe from him, too.

[KungFuBunny]

5 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Nah, he'd get that reaction regardless where he is from. Assholes are assholes regardless...granted, I wasn't with Bethenny when she was meeting all those guys at the race track with her dad, so I can't really comment on the type of guys she met...

Also him not appearing so much means people might get less of a coked up vibe from him, too.

Also - Dorinda hasn't teetered into slurry-tini talk

[QuinnM]

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Also - Dorinda hasn't teetered into slurry-tini ta

Wait, that was at the Beautique or whatever that bar was they were at last night.

[Trooper York]

Hey that is not a good look for John. I wonder if there are similar tapes of drunken slurry slut bag behavior from some of the other principles.

John is an uncouth rough and ready outer borough guy. I don't know if he is coked up. There is just as much chance that Dorinda and Bethenny are as well based on their actual behavior in front of the camera. But fair enough he looks bad rubbing up on Sonja. I mean she is an innocent babe in the woods after all.

24 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Nah, he'd get that reaction regardless where he is from

He gets that reaction not just from where he is from...it is because of who he is. A heterosexual straight white man. They are always attacked on the Real Housewives of New York City and made to look like fools or Knaves. Simon. Mario. John. Adam. Heathers husband. Kristen's Josh. Harry Dubin. Aviva's poor sap of a husband. Her father George. Jason. Jule's midget perv. Each and every one of them was put in the absolutely worst light possible. Now some of them were prizes I will admit. George for instance. But some of them were just regular guys with problems and faults like all of us. They were trashed unmercifully by the editors and the story boards of this series. The only guy who got a half way decent edit was Bobby Zarin and that was because he was almost a ghost. If you are a  straight white man you should not go on a Bravo program. It is not for you buddy.

[athousandclowns]

John bragging to a group of people that he takes Viagra and bangs Dorina for hours is about sleezy as a white heterosexual man can be.  That and His inappropriate aggressiveness with Beth at Dorina's get together is not bad editing IMO.  There are times it appears Dorina can't stand him either , which is bewildering to me. 

[NeverLate]

9 hours ago, BBHN said:

Sometimes, ignorance/denial/looking the other way/etc really is bliss.

Sometimes, miserable, depressed, and jealous so called friends, should let happy just be happy.

1 minute ago, athousandclowns said:

John bragging to a group of people that he takes Viagra and bangs Dorina for hours is about sleezy as a white heterosexual man can be.  That and His inappropriate aggressiveness with Beth at Dorina's get together is not bad editing IMO.  There are times it appears Dorina can't stand him either , which is bewildering to me. 

I never heard that. I thought Ro said a friend of a friend heard him say it.

[NeverLate]

2 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

When I said credit I meant he's being described as some stealth womanizer.

Please, he's a baldy with a wallet that managed to get some action from a variety of women.

Just like Dennis! 

[Trooper York]

Is John's bragging in a drunken friendly rant as bad as sleezy as Sonja's descriptions of the many sexual partners and positions that she has graced us with in the past? I am not saying that he is Rico Suave. He is a rough lout who says the wrong thing. But I think he loves Dorinda even though I don't see what he sees in her. He is fiercely protective of her and she doesn't even appreciate it. You are right. She seems to resent him and enjoys belittling him. Maybe he gets off on that. Some guys like to be a doormat.

I am just saying that there is not a guy on this show who isn't trashed by the other housewives. Can it be that every single one of them are so bad that they need to be eviscerated for the amusement of these other raddled wattled hags?

Look at Heather's husband. He seemed like a really nice guy who was the target of Ramona's venom. Aviva's husband who really loved her and supported her and extended himself to support her run on the housewives. Even Tom who seems to be a inoffensive cipher who wouldn't let butter melt in his mouth. Of course that is because some side piece might be wedged in there but hey you get what I mean.

Is every man so horrible. So rotten. So deserving of being portrayed so negatively. It's a pattern. It's a style. It's Bravo.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Trooper York

[snarts]

6 hours ago, Drumpf1737 said:

What if Lu is just a woman who thinks the same way Tom does? Maybe Lu wants the option for a tight bod and more stamina some nights, but conversation, companionship most nights. Is a woman choosing her fate and her path to happiness so foreign that we have to say she's desperate or after the money in order to accept it. 

This x1000.  Thank you! People marry for so many different reasons.  Why does Luann have to conform to what you think are the right ones?  

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C.  The essential issue goes to the core of the entire problem with Luann.  Nobody is even that concerned with Tom, per se, more than they are with Lu's forced attempt at having them view this guy through her Cinderella prism.  Muffucah, you got a toad and if you like it, I love it, but please stop pointing and asking us all to look upon his gleaming crown.   They're beat about the pretense not, the marriage. 

Haven't seen her do that at all.  She's not tried to sell anyone on Tom.  She doesn't talk about him even a fraction of the time Carole talks about Adam.  She's not forcing anyone to attend the wedding.  She's merely stated that she's happy and she wishes her friends co-workers would respect that or shut the fuck up.

[NeverLate]

29 minutes ago, snarts said:

This x1000.  Thank you! People marry for so many different reasons.  Why does Luann have to conform to what you think are the right ones?  

Haven't seen her do that at all.  She's not tried to sell anyone on Tom.  She doesn't talk about him even a fraction of the time Carole talks about Adam.  She's not forcing anyone to attend the wedding.  She's merely stated that she's happy and she wishes her friends co-workers would respect that or shut the fuck up.

Excellent post ( big grin )....

[Martinigirl]

2 hours ago, Trooper York said:

That's the thing. If they go outside the area code for a bridge and tunnel guy like John you get nothing but judgment, snark and scorn. Bethenny, Carole and Romona had nothing but bad things to say about him and that Dorinda could do a lot better than a successful businessman who loved her. They want to pick out something from Brooks Brothers Bald Douchebag collection like Luann and Bethenny.  Even simple and supportive guys like Heathers husband are called weaklings and fools by the likes of Ramona and the ladies that lunch. If you are not getting one of the catch and release types from their pond you are not fishing for the right thing.

I think it is right on the money that there are a lot of women who thought their relationship with Tom was something other than what it is. I know a couple of guys like Tom. They go from woman to woman and don't tell one about the other because they are not engaged or even in an exclusive relationship. There are just too many desperate women out there especially when they are over fifty. Some of them build a castle in the sky and are crushed that their relationship is not what they think it is. So now they all come out of the woodwork with their knives out for Tom and Luann. Sonja and Ramona foremost among them. They need to let this go and let them get on with their marriage and their lives. I am glad that Luann did not invite any of them to the wedding except for Dorinda and John. 

Luann has the right attitude. Just come out and say that you are not going to invite people who don't want them to suceed. The worst thing for Bethenny, Ramona and Sonja would be for Tom and Luann to live happily ever after. Because then they might have to look in the mirror and realize that they are the problem. 

Sorry, but John is a disgusting pig! John's words "Did the phone get moist?" Nuff said!

Edited May 19, 2017 by Martinigirl

[WireWrap]

53 minutes ago, athousandclowns said:

John bragging to a group of people that he takes Viagra and bangs Dorina for hours is about sleezy as a white heterosexual man can be.  That and His inappropriate aggressiveness with Beth at Dorina's get together is not bad editing IMO.  There are times it appears Dorina can't stand him either , which is bewildering to me. 

Dorinda denied that John did that and we only have Ramona's, who hates John to begin with, word that it happened. I am not inclined to take her word on any of the husbands/SO or any man that she knows. LOL

The night John and Bethenny got into it John was drunk and it was/is rumored/believed that production told him all the nasty things Ramona and Bethenny said to Dorinda about him before he arrived. They ramped him up so they could film the blow up.

[Martinigirl]

We all saw "disgusting John" on our telly's with our own eyes!

Edited May 19, 2017 by Martinigirl

[Trooper York]

Fair enough. Rough sexual kidding is distasteful to some people. So we can call Sonja a disgusting slut bag pig? How about Bethenny and her choice of words? Did you ever listen to her? I listened to her rants with my own ears.

I don't care if people don't like John. But what he has said and done is not out of line with how these women act. If Sonja, Bethenny, Luann and Ramona are the line he is not over it.

Sorry this is the Real Housewives of New York not Call the Midwife.

Edited May 19, 2017 by Trooper York

[Martinigirl]

Maybe, just maybe, had there been a bit of humor in John's words i'd give him a pass. It wasn't funny.

[Trooper York]

Humor is a tough thing. Not every body finds the same things funny. Men and women find different things funny. For instance men love slapstick. So we enjoyed Sonja getting slapped with the pirates stick from behind. That was funny.

Women like romantic comedy. That's why they love to see Carole on the bike handlebars like it's a romcom. 

Now if they want to appeal to guys she has to fart in Adams face from all the veggies he makes her eat. That's comedy.

[Martinigirl]

2 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Also - Dorinda hasn't teetered into slurry-tini talk

UGH! He's so skeevy!!!!!!!!!!! 

[NeverLate]

9 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

We all saw "disgusting John" on our telly's with our own eyes!

He wasn't disgusting at all last night, or the week before.

10 minutes ago, Trooper York said:

Fair enough. Rough sexual kidding is distasteful to some people. So we can call Sonja a disgusting slut bag pig? How about Bethenny and her choice of words? Did you ever listen to her? I listened to her rants with my own ears.

I don't care if people don't like John. But what he has said and done is not out of line with how these women act. If Sonja, Bethenny, Luann and Ramona are the line he is not over it.

Sorry this is the Real Housewives of New York not Call the Midwife.

Right you ate! :)

[Martinigirl]

6 minutes ago, Trooper York said:

Humor is a tough thing. Not every body finds the same things funny. Men and women find different things funny. For instance men love slapstick. So we enjoyed Sonja getting slapped with the pirates stick from behind. That was funny.

Women like romantic comedy. That's why they love to see Carole on the bike handlebars like it's a romcom. 

Now if they want to appeal to guys she has to fart in Adams face from all the veggies he makes her eat. That's comedy.

Sorry, but I did not see one MAN at that dinner table laugh along with what John said. All of  the MEN seemed disgusted with him.

4 minutes ago, F. M. said:

He wasn't disgusting at all last night, or the week before.

Right you ate! :)

I'm not so sure...Carole clearly didn't want to kiss his ugly mug

Edited May 19, 2017 by Martinigirl

[Martinigirl]

2 hours ago, Trooper York said:

The reaction to him does. It is the basis of the snide condescending attitudes of all of these women. Especially Bethenny.

John reminds her of every knock around guy she ever met with her father at the racetrack. She had a visceral hatred for him. Unlike a ball less wimp like Tom.....err....wait...I mean an Upper East Side Gentlemen.....John didn't want to put up with her crap and told her what he thought in an honest and forthright manner. 

I am just glad that John has figured this out. He is only making cameo appearances. Having his business on the show is not worth it as the party where Ramona went off proved in all of its insane glory. He should only film in the briefest and least involved way. Any man who films on this show is submarined. Think about it. Who got a good edit? Not a one. Except maybe for Bobby Zarin who also just supported his wife and kept out of the limelight. Men do not do well on the Housewives shows. 

I'm guessing John's income dropped drastically from being on the show............

[Martinigirl]

31 minutes ago, Trooper York said:

Humor is a tough thing. Not every body finds the same things funny. Men and women find different things funny. For instance men love slapstick. So we enjoyed Sonja getting slapped with the pirates stick from behind. That was funny.

Women like romantic comedy. That's why they love to see Carole on the bike handlebars like it's a romcom. 

Now if they want to appeal to guys she has to fart in Adams face from all the veggies he makes her eat. That's comedy.

Not one person asked Carole if she got moist riding on the handle bars. BIG difference!

[Trooper York]

Well most jokes have to have a modicum of plausabity. 

[Martinigirl]

Did I think Carole looked like she was trying too hard to be the hip cool chick on the bike handles, yes, but it didn't make me want to vomit. John did. 

[sasha206]

On 5/17/2017 at 9:31 PM, Atlanta said:

Oh, Tinz. Yes, you don't look 41 and you've still got it, but don't waste your time with a 23 year old. Don't be 'Carole-lite.' Glad she didn't go home with him. Maybe she's channeling her inner Liza and Josh via "Younger."

Funny, I think Tinz looks every bit like 41!  At times, she looks somewhat attractive, but I really don't think she's that great.  Skinny is about all I see.

[UsernameFatigue]

4 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

OMG, Adam is only 28?  LOL.  My YOUNGER brother is 30....... I need my smelling salts.  I don't care about the age differences in both couples whatsoever, but the fact that Adam is ONLY 28?  Yeesh.  I didn't realize that.  That's so young.  (Not in an INAPPROPRIATE way, just wow , he is a  younger man than I previously realized.  That's all.)

Adam is 31 (so actually 8 years older than Chad, Tinsley's pickup ) and Carole is 53. 

[sasha206]

20 hours ago, breezy424 said:

They all look bad in their TH's.  Someone decided to put a pink light bulb on all of them.  Producers' revenge???

I think Dorinda looks fantastic in both of the lilac top and the blue dress.  Sonja looks pretty good.  The rest are pretty darn bad!

Wow, Bethenny thinks she's really so gorgeous with her "charity whores" routine.  And of course, it involves her product placement.

[motorcitymom65]

2 hours ago, Trooper York said:

Is John's bragging in a drunken friendly rant as bad as sleezy as Sonja's descriptions of the many sexual partners and positions that she has graced us with in the past? I am not saying that he is Rico Suave. He is a rough lout who says the wrong thing. But I think he loves Dorinda even though I don't see what he sees in her. He is fiercely protective of her and she doesn't even appreciate it. You are right. She seems to resent him and enjoys belittling him. Maybe he gets off on that. Some guys like to be a doormat.

I am just saying that there is not a guy on this show who isn't trashed by the other housewives. Can it be that every single one of them are so bad that they need to be eviscerated for the amusement of these other raddled wattled hags?

Look at Heather's husband. He seemed like a really nice guy who was the target of Ramona's venom. Aviva's husband who really loved her and supported her and extended himself to support her run on the housewives. Even Tom who seems to be a inoffensive cipher who wouldn't let butter melt in his mouth. Of course that is because some side piece might be wedged in there but hey you get what I mean.

Is every man so horrible. So rotten. So deserving of being portrayed so negatively. It's a pattern. It's a style. It's Bravo.

I just don't see where all the other HW's are trashing all of the husbands for the hell of doing it. I just don't. When was Heather's husband trashed? I think Kristen and Ramona saying something about Heather being the boss of him, but that was more about Heather than it was about him (Ok, Ramona might have been much more mean, but she is mean to everyone equally). They all seemed to like him, and I don't remember any harshness towards him ever being a thing. Even Kristen's husband, who was a total d-bag didn't seem to garner any negative feedback from anyone. I've never heard anyone trash Adam, unless you count the folks on this forum. He seems like a nice guy who doesn't trash talk the other ladies, is supportive and loyal to Carole, yet all I ever hear is how he is boring or dirty over here. Not a peep from the ladies about him. Did the other ladies make a thing out of trash talking Mario on the regular? I don't really remember much more than a passing comment. Certainly Jacques was well liked by all. I think that they trash the guys that do things that would cause normal people to trash them. 

[sasha206]

10 hours ago, Leroux said:

So on the topic of "why does it bother the other women" 

If I was Luann, I wouldn't be flashing my fairy tale love story, I would be having separate bank accounts, pre-nup in place and life insurance with my kids as beneficiaries. Everybody seem to think that Tom is such a great catch and IMO he is nothing but a scam artist, someone who has been preying on needy women but didn't put a ring on it until he found someone financially set like Luann.  Luann might not be rolling on dough but until somebody proves me wrong, I think that Tom's wealth is a lot of fluff. Does he own the apartment or does he rent it? Is his company among the 500? or just a small business that is more a facade than anything else. 

Luann is bent on selling her love story but I think everybody knows what is up with this marriage, she should just say "yes, I have an open marriage so what bitches? and move on. Instead she wants people to believe that Tom was a feisty bachelor but found her, fell in love and married her because she is much better than the other women he has dated before. That is probably what irks the other women. 

I completely agree with this.   I've always thought Lu's "giddiness" was very forced.  I don't think she gives a rat's ass who he may or may not be fucking.  And I wouldn't be surprised if she already has her side piece too.  But that's not the way she's portraying this great love of hers.  And of course, if she did call this arrangement what it is, there wouldn't be two years of Lu in the middles of a juicy storyline.  

I truly wonder if Tom has money.  We've heard about his parents money.  But maybe it's a shell game.  Maybe he doesn't own anything.  Maybe in order to get access to his money, his parents want them married.  

It seems like a marriage of convenience for both.  I don't see deep love from either one of them.  There's something very off.  

Edited May 19, 2017 by sasha206

[ryebread]

51 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

Did I think Carole looked like she was trying too hard to be the hip cool chick on the bike handles, yes, but it didn't make me want to vomit. John did. 

Carole only made me want to vomit with her humor, once, that I can remember.  When she was flirting and batting her eyes at Aviva's dad, George, while asking him if he'd had sex that day. And if it was with himself or not.  When he told her that, indeed, he'd had sex with a lady that very morning!  IIRC, Carole called him her hero. 

Then they discussed squirting orgasms at the dinner table.  Vom.

[diadochokinesis]

14 hours ago, ryebread said:

Yesterday, before this aired and we were talking on First Looks about it, my first thought was, she probably didn't sign a release and didn't realize that she was being recorded because the cameras weren't filming Carole and Barbara, at that moment.  I mean, why else would she think a lawsuit would be successful?

Well, after seeing the epi, we know the cameras weren't filming them at that moment so I can see why she might've felt more free about being catty.  Also, maybe she'd had some drinks that loosened her tongue and made her forget, in the moment, that Carole was mic'd.  But I would hope that if she DID sign a release, that she would be protected.  But now I'm not sure if that's true or not either.

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From my understanding, Babs did sign a release since her face was shown on screen and she was given a chyron with her name and "status".

13 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

And?

I don't get why this bugs the women so much.

Lu wants a penthouse. Okay. I get it's kinda superficial (I do believe she's happy for a variety of reasons) but I really don't understand why it's such a big deal.

Why does a relationship have to meet other people's approvals?

My biggest annoyance with this whole scenario is watching a bunch of ain't shit bitches make another woman's wedding something THEY are offended by. Why the hell does Lu's life offend anyone is what I'm always wondering.

I get offended at people being targeted. Being yelled at. Being hurt. Being treated deliberately cruel and insensitive in some sort of real time.

Lu obviously understands her situation and is happy anyway. Whether it will stay that way? Who knows but for the most part she's happy and I don't think it's only all about the money. I do believe its about the lifestyle and companionship and caring which I actually find rather sweet.

This desperate need for there to be this harsh narration of Tom's "indiscretions" seems to be forced and although I can't honestly say there can't be any truth to it I honestly don't believe it's anything as brutal as what's being presented. I think there's a good deal of hype involved in it all and that some of the details involved are benign to Lu.

Not saying its benign to most just that it's benign to Lu. It's annoying to see only two possible reactions forced on Lu.

She's either got to admit to being a nitwit or being someone who doesn't mind being cheated on cause she wants a penthouse.

It's so freaking annoying. They have a relationship for a variety of reasons and I do believe Lu has her eyes open.

So women are honestly not bothered by a wandering eye. Some women even enjoy the spice it brings to the marriage. And no, I don't think Lu should have to explain that out loud if it is in fact the case.

Forcing it to be either on or the other is annoying cause there's something about it all that flows. I don't think Lu looks desperate or insecure. I see a woman who is okay with what is. Not because it gets her the house but because it gets her the companion, the travel partner, a caring constant for her golden years who can share the same fun lifestyle she enjoys.

Will that be the case long term? Well with all the wrenches being thrown in by bitter miserable people wanting to do their best to ruin whatever it is they have set up I doubt it. And if it so happens that they do split up I do believe that Lu will sing another tune and all of a sudden have a revelation when face with explaining her ordeal from beginning to end. She's not going to outline the initial expectations they both had for their relationship and what the perimeters were.

I'm always uncomfortable when people have demands of others. The arrogance in that is really distasteful to me.

Exactly.  People are so busy today with judging everyone else's lifestyle when it has nothing to do with you.  Lu's relationship will have absolutely no impact on Ramona or Sonja (other than the fact that Tom didn't marry them!). 

9 hours ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

Thanks girl, I forgot to get at this earlier.    I heard her say this (paraphrasing):   I've known Dennis for years, he dated a friend of mine from school.  He and his wife broke up and he called to tell me had feelings for me.  He's been supportive of me for a long time but I didn't think of him like that, he was just Dennis. 

Real question, no snark - if my recount is close to accurate, why do ya'll think what Beth said was he'd had feelings for her his whole marriage? (as opposed to present day).

Your recount is accurate. She never even stated that her friend was the one married to Dennis (I'm not sure if they are the same people since I haven't followed that relationship much). He never stated that he had feelings for Bethenny during his marriage. I think viewers are basing their opinion based off of their dislike for Bethenny and are just wanting to demonize her. 

8 hours ago, notnowimbusy said:

WTF is wrong with Ramona?  Not only is she looking crazier than before, but this over selling of how glorious her new found freedom is, is beyond nuts.   She's somehow even louder, more obnoxious and as much as she trying, she's looking older - much older.   In her TH that hair looks so greasy and strange, and is it me or what's up with the bloodshot eyes!   Sorry, but she is just plain embarrassing at the bars. 

She is trying hard to convince herself that she loves the life she has.  Think about social media. My friends who splash their marriages all over FB usually announce they are getting divorced a couple months later. And then they never give details which is just rude.  LOL. 

[wheresmypizza]

What did Tinsley's nose look like before? Asking for a friend. 

[BBHN]

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He gets that reaction not just from where he is from...it is because of who he is. A heterosexual straight white man. They are always attacked on the Real Housewives of New York City and made to look like fools or Knaves. Simon. Mario. John. Adam. Heathers husband. Kristen's Josh. Harry Dubin. Aviva's poor sap of a husband. Her father George. Jason. Jule's midget perv. Each and every one of them was put in the absolutely worst light possible. Now some of them were prizes I will admit. George for instance. But some of them were just regular guys with problems and faults like all of us. They were trashed unmercifully by the editors and the story boards of this series. The only guy who got a half way decent edit was Bobby Zarin and that was because he was almost a ghost. If you are a  straight white man you should not go on a Bravo program. It is not for you buddy.

So you kind of proved my point, that the reaction to John has nothing to do with where he is from. Whether from the women or the editors. And Aviva's dad was just all kinds of gross.

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Sometimes, miserable, depressed, and jealous so called friends, should let happy just be happy.

Sure, why not. Let deluded people hold onto whatever shred of joy they can, given they need it for their insecurities. They can always be there for the inevitable implosion when it happens...

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Sorry, but I did not see one MAN at that dinner table laugh along with what John said. All of  the MEN seemed disgusted with him.

Shhh.,,,don't ruin the narrative of the generalization that all men and all women are exactly the same ;)

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I've always thought Lu's "giddiness" was very forced.  I don't think she gives a rat's ass who he may or may not be fucking.  And I wouldn't be surprised if she already has her side piece too.  But that's not the way she's portraying this great love of hers.  And of course, if she did call this arrangement what it is, there wouldn't be two years of Lu in the middles of a juicy storyline.  

Exactly. As long as he stays discreet about it, which, good luck when you're both on a reality show...

[robroy]

8 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

Exactly.  People are so busy today with judging everyone else's lifestyle when it has nothing to do with you.  Lu's relationship will have absolutely no impact on Ramona or Sonja (other than the fact that Tom didn't marry them!). 

I beg to differ. Everything has an impact on Ramona because her life is based on one upping, feeling superior to or taking down other people. As much as I think Bethenney can be a B- when she has two fucks left to give she moves on without someone. Not RO- she plugs along assessing grudges and showing up to events and occasions to let other people know they don't measure up. Its been like this forever. Its why she's off track since closing her business and having Mario meet the side piece he would take public (although I suspect the timing of Avery heading to college also played a role.) She didn't love those for business, marriage or fulfillment sake- they were simply a means for her to batter the other women over the head with her successes.

On the Lu front- I think people would be surprised how many people subscribe to the theory that you can have a marriage without sex as the primary basis that still includes sex in or out of the marriage. As long as both people go in with that understanding and the risks, I'm fine.

[sasha206]

16 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Co-sign. I think Ramona would have jumped at a chance to marry if Tom had offered HER the ring. And I think she would have stayed with Mario if her apologized and tried to make things right. I did get the impression that he probably wanted out before his affair was brought to light, and even more so once it was. Moving on after ANY affair would be hard, but Ramona would be the type to make it a living nightmare. 

 

As long as all those involved are of legal age, I don't really give a fuck. But....when I'm watching other people, I have a natural tendency to put myself in their shoes. Tinsley and her beau kind of squicked me out. He looked SO young, to me. For me, personally, (and I'm married, so this is hypothetical) if I could be your mom, it ain't happening. Same if you could be my dad. 

I do think the older you get, the less age differences make me uncomfortable. Sure Carole and Adam's difference is larger, but he's closer to 30 and for some reason that buys them a bit more grace. I can't really explain it better than that. It's just a visceral reaction. Again, I'm not saying there's anything WRONG going on, just not what I'm into. 

Also, I've had more time to get used to Carole and Adam. They clearly have something going, as they've been together for years. Tinsley seemed like she just wanted to giggle like a sorority girl again and swap food with a baby bird. Ew. 

I think what's gross about Tinsley and Chad is her making out with him at the bar was gross.   With Adam and Carole, you saw flirtation but you didn't actually see any PDA. Hell, I still don't recall them ever making out on camera.  Tinsley looked like the stereotypical cougar and it was embarrassing. I don't really care much about age differences although I think women who are significantly older than their mate, French first lady excluded, have a harder time holding onto the youngster as they age then men do.

[Yours Truly]

18 hours ago, Trooper York said:

That's the thing. If they go outside the area code for a bridge and tunnel guy like John you get nothing but judgment, snark and scorn. Bethenny, Carole and Romona had nothing but bad things to say about him and that Dorinda could do a lot better than a successful businessman who loved her. They want to pick out something from Brooks Brothers Bald Douchebag collection like Luann and Bethenny.  Even simple and supportive guys like Heathers husband are called weaklings and fools by the likes of Ramona and the ladies that lunch. If you are not getting one of the catch and release types from their pond you are not fishing for the right thing.

I think it is right on the money that there are a lot of women who thought their relationship with Tom was something other than what it is. I know a couple of guys like Tom. They go from woman to woman and don't tell one about the other because they are not engaged or even in an exclusive relationship. There are just too many desperate women out there especially when they are over fifty. Some of them build a castle in the sky and are crushed that their relationship is not what they think it is. So now they all come out of the woodwork with their knives out for Tom and Luann. Sonja and Ramona foremost among them. They need to let this go and let them get on with their marriage and their lives. I am glad that Luann did not invite any of them to the wedding except for Dorinda and John. 

Luann has the right attitude. Just come out and say that you are not going to invite people who don't want them to suceed. The worst thing for Bethenny, Ramona and Sonja would be for Tom and Luann to live happily ever after. Because then they might have to look in the mirror and realize that they are the problem. 

The post you quoted above wasn't mine but I agree with you.

Bunch of grown women acting wounded. Get a grip. I handled my teenage romance angst better than this. Sheesh.

A dude known for getting around was ummmmmm getting around and now your stories are about how much you thought ya'll had together. Give me a break.

I find it especially juvenile for anyone to even speak on whatever relations they had with Tom. Ship has passed move it along. He's Lu's problem now.

Done.

Edited May 19, 2017 by Yours Truly

[Yours Truly]

13 hours ago, snarts said:

This x1000.  Thank you! People marry for so many different reasons.  Why does Luann have to conform to what you think are the right ones?  

Haven't seen her do that at all.  She's not tried to sell anyone on Tom.  She doesn't talk about him even a fraction of the time Carole talks about Adam.  She's not forcing anyone to attend the wedding.  She's merely stated that she's happy and she wishes her friends co-workers would respect that or shut the fuck up.

You would think she was promoting her spin off show about her new, happily ever after life, her wedding to someone she only recently started dating while pregnant and trying to build a business complete with commercials and interviews........

......oh wait.

[Normades]

I loved Avery schooling Ramona on trying too hard.  I think Tinsley might benefit from a lesson with Avery.  Tinsley is an attractive woman, but it's time to put away the Baby Jane curls and get a grown up hairstyle.  

I've seen people saying Ramona did a good job raising Avery, but I really wonder if Avery is a nice person in spite of Ramona.  I think Mario deserves some credit for his daughter, too.  As much as I did not like his actions with cheating, I can't imagine what he went through living with that harpy.  How he (and Avery) came through with any sanity at all amazes me. 

[NeverLate]

12 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

Sorry, but I did not see one MAN at that dinner table laugh along with what John said. All of  the MEN seemed disgusted with him.

I'm not so sure...Carole clearly didn't want to kiss his ugly mug

But it's Carole, I mean, who cares what she thinks? lol

[BBHN]

I care.

[zoeysmom]

13 hours ago, snarts said:

This x1000.  Thank you! People marry for so many different reasons.  Why does Luann have to conform to what you think are the right ones?  

Haven't seen her do that at all.  She's not tried to sell anyone on Tom.  She doesn't talk about him even a fraction of the time Carole talks about Adam.  She's not forcing anyone to attend the wedding.  She's merely stated that she's happy and she wishes her friends co-workers would respect that or shut the fuck up.

Luann went down the wedding road with Tom with almost a year long engagement.  It is not as if they eloped.  I am not understanding why this group of people keeps demanding Luann halt the wedding or admit something.  She has already admitted Tom was caught red handed making out at The Regency Bar with Debbie Driggs.  Carole was so odd calling her the "great pretender".  Her friend Barbara, the backstabbing, blabbermouth, based her comments on "rumors" Tom was still going to The Regency and probably hooking up.  I am going to take a wild guess here that anytime Tom is in The Regency, with or without Luann, there are probably any number of people with phones ready to film any shenanigans of Tom's.  Is Luann suppose to say she is marrying beneath her, talk about Tom's faults?  I am really not certain what they expect from her.  She asked one thing from her "friends", to just be happy for her. 

For the most part these women need to grow up and stop acting like children every time Tom's name is mentioned or he is in their presence there has to be some disclaimer about his make out session at the bar in February of 2016.  Should the same standards for the others, Ramona the dress thief (world's worst friend), Dorinda the drunk, Sonja the fraud, Bethenny the mean girl, Carole the face grabber?   

Dorinda, I believe has a valid concern that Tom maintains contact via text or phone calls with some or a particular former girlfriend.  I don't believe Luann shares her concern and I always wonder, why do this or these women want to be in contact with Tom if he is marrying or married to Luann?  Is it the same type of situation as Jacques/The Count where sex is no part of the relationship but they enjoy the friendship?  Did this woman/women get invited to the wedding?  Most importantly why is it anyone else's business?  

I also don't give high marks to "Missy" who befriended Ramona so she could share on camera, a story, where timelines don't make sense about Tom.  How many women was Tom seeing in the fall of 2015?  He certainly wasn't dating Ramona and Luann at the same time-as Missyinformed claimed. C'mon people have a little pride.   

I am not a real fan of having exes in the picture, as someone left the relationship with feelings the other wasn't reciprocating.  So if Tom is doing it to just be a nice guy and Luann is tolerant of it just to be open minded it would not bother me to hear they curtailed the contact with the exes.  Obviously one or more of the exes is sharing the contact(s) with Tom with third parties, who aren't afraid to tell Ramona or someone close to her.  If the ex or exes feel the need to share I question their motives.

[robroy]

50 minutes ago, Normades said:

I loved Avery schooling Ramona on trying too hard.  I think Tinsley might benefit from a lesson with Avery.  Tinsley is an attractive woman, but it's time to put away the Baby Jane curls and get a grown up hairstyle.  

I've seen people saying Ramona did a good job raising Avery, but I really wonder if Avery is a nice person in spite of Ramona.  I think Mario deserves some credit for his daughter, too.  As much as I did not like his actions with cheating, I can't imagine what he went through living with that harpy.  How he (and Avery) came through with any sanity at all amazes me. 

In the first or second season when they discussed routines/rituals they said Mario was the morning person- getting Avery breakfast/off to school. I'm guessing that was their time. And the Ramona gets up later meme made me think she was probably sleeping off the pinot.

[ryebread]

36 minutes ago, Normades said:

Tinsley is an attractive woman, but it's time to put away the Baby Jane curls and get a grown up hairstyle.  

And just grow up. 

She's one of those women I look at and think how lucky she is that the gene gods smiled on her.  Face, body...the whole package.  I think she's gorgeous.  Until she opens her mouth.  The baby talk and squealing.  Just no.

I hope she meets someone interesting and attractive.  I'm ready for a real housewife.  Even getting back together with Topper would be okay by me.  Bring him on as a friend of.  He's old New York money - something I don't think we've seen yet.  Unless you count the Count.  Or Sonja.

[Martinigirl]

1 hour ago, Normades said:

I loved Avery schooling Ramona on trying too hard.  I think Tinsley might benefit from a lesson with Avery.  Tinsley is an attractive woman, but it's time to put away the Baby Jane curls and get a grown up hairstyle.  

I've seen people saying Ramona did a good job raising Avery, but I really wonder if Avery is a nice person in spite of Ramona.  I think Mario deserves some credit for his daughter, too.  As much as I did not like his actions with cheating, I can't imagine what he went through living with that harpy.  How he (and Avery) came through with any sanity at all amazes me. 

I agree, Mario does deserve credit with the raising of Avery. However, i don't agree with his cheating. He had the option to just leave. 

[Drumpf1737]

5 hours ago, BBHN said:

Sure, why not. Let deluded people hold onto whatever shred of joy they can, given they need it for their insecurities.

And see this is what I don't understand. We let our parents believe the crazy shit they hear on Fox. We tolerate disgusting biases from friends and family, but letting a woman love on her partner is the problem. SMDH

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Dorinda/Carole/Barbara:

D – I bid a $1000

C – Oh, Dorinda that’s nice!

B – You bid a $1000?

D – Yes, cause it’s a charity

B-àC  - Dorinda just bid $1000

C – Yeah, that’s good. Teeth whitening, that’s expensive

B – I know like so many dentists

B – What about down there?

C – Um brushes, mumbling…  What are you doing for Christmas?

B – I’m going to see my mom, then I’m going to Luann’s wedding

C – Are you excited?

B – Honestly, no.

C – Is she excited?

B – Honestly? I think she has something to prove.

C – To prove what?

B – She’d rather go through with it and divorce than call it off.

C – What about him?

B – There’s so many rumors that he hangs at The Regency and still hooks up with women.

B – That’s pathetic.

C – Does she know that?

B – I told her

C – She could be making the biggest mistake of her life

Thanks KungFuBunny for the transcript. When I first heard it I thought Barbara was saying that Luann had said that she'd rather divorce than call it off, but that's not what was said. Carole asks Barbara if Lu is excited about the wedding and Barbara replies "Honestly? I think she has something to prove." Carole asks prove what and Barbara then says the line "She'd rather go through with it and divorce than call it off". Reading the exchange makes it clear that this is Barbara's interpretation of how Lu is feeling. Maybe based on convos with her, maybe just assuming she knows, can't tell. But they aren't Lu's words. 

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And see this is what I don't understand. We let our parents believe the crazy shit they hear on Fox. We tolerate disgusting biases from friends and family, but letting a woman love on her partner is the problem. SMDH

Well, this is a reality show about HWs in New York, so I don't see what any of what you said has to do with Luanne and her relationship with Tom. SMDH

[Midnight Cheese]

11 hours ago, ryebread said:

Carole only made me want to vomit with her humor, once, that I can remember.  When she was flirting and batting her eyes at Aviva's dad, George, while asking him if he'd had sex that day. And if it was with himself or not.  When he told her that, indeed, he'd had sex with a lady that very morning!  IIRC, Carole called him her hero. 

Then they discussed squirting orgasms at the dinner table.  Vom.

I remember that scene as George talking about squirting, and that Carole's reaction was very much, vom.  Up until then, she was cheerfully going along to get along, I think. 

ITA that something about Tins' nose screams Not From Nature, and it makes me see her as not all that, but I like her pretty well, feel badly that she's fending off Sexy J's panicked jealousy, and I didn't get squicked out by her bowling date.

Age be a bitch but Ramona looks so bad... haw-haw!   Loved so much your poetic post, Zaldamo, about Aesop's fable and Ramona's attempted ho shit, trying to nab Milosz because the women thought he'd like Sonja.  Ramona is so sad, and I'm loving it.  #freeCoco

Edited May 19, 2017 by Midnight Cheese

[ZaldamoWilder]

14 hours ago, Trooper York said:

He gets that reaction not just from where he is from...it is because of who he is. A heterosexual straight white man. They are always attacked on the Real Housewives of New York City and made to look like fools or Knaves. Simon. Mario. John. Adam. Heathers husband. Kristen's Josh. Harry Dubin. Aviva's poor sap of a husband. Her father George. Jason. Jule's midget perv. Each and every one of them was put in the absolutely worst light possible. Now some of them were prizes I will admit. George for instance. But some of them were just regular guys with problems and faults like all of us. They were trashed unmercifully by the editors and the story boards of this series. The only guy who got a half way decent edit was Bobby Zarin and that was because he was almost a ghost. If you are a  straight white man you should not go on a Bravo program. It is not for you buddy.

Trooper, I apologize in advance, I know you meant this in a very very specific context, but whenever I see a comment that paints straight white men as a discriminated group, I can't help but:

and

No, but for real, I'm sorry, it's my knee jerk.  I know you only meant on Housewives.   Lemme get to that.  Lol~

I don't know if this coincides with what the hws said about them or simply what the viewers observed but it would be easier to root for them if we were talking about dudes whose behavior was just garden variety nice guyish. 

Simon.  Inflatable backyard pool and summers in *sin* Barth's - affectatious poseur.  But let's be honest, it's never gonna go well for a man who loves picking out his wife's clothes more than she does.

Mario.  Down-low lifelong pussyhound interested in every woman except Ramona.  Allegedly.

Adam.  I haven't heard them say anything but nice things about Adam. 

Jacques.  Same.

Jonathan.  Unilaterally praised by anyone who commented about him, here and on the show, which is a mighty accomplishment considering how tough a crowd we are.

Josh.  Condescending prick who contributed to his wife's self doubt (but only the viewers knew that).  Oh andplusalso? Ashley Madison subscription.  

Harry Dubin.  Down to coming to a party to be with one woman, then leaving with Lu, he is an older version of Tom, minus the matrimony.

Aviva's poor sap of a husband.   Any man who chose to marry Aviva is bound to inspire, at a minimum, curious scrutiny.  

Her father George.  Oversexualized inappropriate conduct in nearly every setting we saw him in.  

Michael (member Jules' husband yall?)  I don't think they tore him down but I wouldn't mind if they had. 

Jason.   My recall may be murky but the only person who said something about Jason was Jill.  Which, a) consider the source and b) her yardstick was her husband <-- not shade, I mean she thought Jason wasn't on Beth's level financially.

John.  I don't know if his crime is any more serious than those of the other gentlemen but if so, I don't think their dislike of him has anything to do with geographic snobbery.  Many of the other men came from non-manhattan zipcodes.   What he has in common with husbands across the franchise who've been criticized is that his personality is loud and he's too involved in *women bidness*.  Simon, Mario, Brooks, Slade (OC), Peter (ATL) - busy.  They don't like it.  Tom and his refusal to engage might do ok in this group lol.  To your point, the women judging him are not exactly in a position to, but this is their show.

17 hours ago, Lemons said:

Whose giving Tom credit?  All he did was date the numerous amount of single women of a certain age available in the upper east side. He doesn't get any credit. 

These women aren't victims. They are desperate to have a man. The problem is they are practically inbred in the upper east side. They don't appear to mingle outside of their area code. Bethany is right when she makes fun of these crusty upper east side women who lunch. They live in the least diverse neighborhood in NYC. If they left the upper east side they might realize that there are a lot of decent men out there. A whole lot better than Tom. And Harry!  How is he considered a catch?

LMAO!!!  I think B said it during the episode but I just heard it.  All Sonja needs to do is schtup a guy named Richard and the trinity is complete.