S09.E07: Bidding on Love

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One of the funniest, yet most fleeting, scenes was when Ramona struts through the kitchen at Beautique and stops to shout, "Smells good, guys." Then 'provocatively' licks the entirety of her top row of teeth.  I think she meant to lick her lips, like, "Ummm. Smells good, guys."  But true to Ramona, she gets it wrong.

How DID the kitchen staff continue their duties with such a raw display of sexy in their midst?
 

[hoodooznoodooz]

I wonder if Lu's father cheated on her mother, so that's what she knows and has recreated for herself. I'm guilty of the same: my mother married and tolerated a rageaholic and so have I. 

[AnnaL]

Luann, Luann, Luann. I can only hope that this is what you want, that you are marrying for convenience and not for love. I can understand your willingness to overlook Tom's indiscretions if you guys have decided to have an open marriage, many couples make the same decision and they get along just fine, remember though that you are in a reality tv show and his indiscretions are fair game.  You want his money and status of being married and fidelity has never been a deal breaker for you, he wants TV exposure, I am sure it works great for his business, so far so good, it works for both of you. But if you are really in love with him, you are going to end up devastated. He is a philanderer of major proportions and that won't change just because he marries you. 

Tom, not a HW, but all I have to say to you is this, you have been pretty sloppy with your love life and every single woman 40+ on NYC seems to have had a hit and run with you. That was okay while you were single, but out of respect for your wife, please take the time and effort to be a little bit more careful. Grandma used to say "It is not the sin, it is the scandal" , your wife is on a reality tv show so her life is exposed and your cheating ways will be used because that is the nature of the beast. Do not make her look like a fool. Be careful with your escapades and for your own sake, no more women from Manhattan. 

Luann, I wish you a great marriage life where both of you get what you want, just don't let you feelings get caught up in this and you will be fine. An open marriage is not something I will ever choose but you have experience in this and maybe it will work for you. 

[Juliegirlj]

Cringe.... at the whole episode!! Producers must be taking out revenge on all these women, because they are making a mockery of all of them! 

Carole going rock climbing with the hipsters was funny. She looked ( and probably is) old enough to be that young woman's mother. Yelling down to Adam in her baby talk speak that she didn't like it was bizarre! 

Bethenny used to be in touch with what the "average" woman was thinking, but is now such an egomaniac that she cannot see past her own self. 

[ZaldamoWilder]

1 hour ago, Mozelle said:

I said it last week: LuAnn is an insecure woman who so craves male attention that she pins her happiness on it. She knows she's marrying a guy who will not ever stop stepping out on her. However, all that matters is that she has a ring (any ring will do!) and that she'll get to wear a white wedding dress and walk down the aisle. 

Ramona is still an asshole. She's not a "girl's girl," either. First and foremost, she views other women as competition, hence still going on about LuAnn and Tom (and befriending Tom's ex) as well as bolting to talk to Milosz when all the other women were cooing that he was definitely Sonja's type. 

I don't like women like Ramona.

I couldn't stop laughing at the tv.   This entire scene is the personification of that riddle where you have to get a goat, a lion and a cabbage from one side of an island to the other in your canoe, only carrying one at a time and ensuring that they all make it to the other side intact.   Even before Ramona moved I was couting heads, tambout, hey lol, um, where's Ramona?    Sonja, poor thing.  Girl you left the goat and the lion and rowed away with the cabbage.  Dumbass.

19 minutes ago, Pop Tart said:

I think Bethenny realized how badly she came off last season and is doing her darnedest to not get caught doing the same this year. That's why Ramona is having such a hard time getting things started with her. Ramona is trying to engage the Bethenny of last season (the one who screeched at Lu and called her a whore) because she knows how much sympathy (and liking) Lu got from those interactions. But Bethenny is apparently trying to get another reality show about flipping real estate (?) going so she is being extra careful in all her interactions. That's why she's walking away from them. Not because she can't take the criticisms (though she is incredibly thin-skinned), but because she doesn't want to flip out again.

I will give her credit for what seemed a genuine moment when she met Tom. She felt awkward but did address the situation straight on. And I will also give her credit for not being stuck where all the other women are, determined to drag Tom and Lu down to their own levels of misery. She's moved on - whether for branding reasons or because she genuinely thinks it's none of her business (I think a combo of both) - and that's a good thing.

I do think Carole hit it on the head last night when she commented that even if Lu believed all the stuff they're saying about Tom she would never admit it to them. Or words to that effect. And I agree. Why would she in a million years tell any of these women anything? They're not her friends and they've been determined to torpedo things for her from the start. If I were her I'd probably be digging in on how happy I was too.

I don't for a moment believe that Lu doesn't know what she's getting into. She does. And she seems happy enough with her choice. And what I find interesting, for all the talk about all the women Tom has dated, Lu is the only one he's married. I don't know what that means. But clearly she's different for him then the others. Doesn't mean he won't cheat, but does mean they have some kind of connection he hasn't had with any other woman. Otherwise why marry? It's not like Lu could have tricked him into it by claiming to be pregnant.

ITA.  Ramona, especially, has been doing the most with her how does your baby feel about you being a porn star/don't you talk to like your girlfriends messiness.    But Beth is the one who's weird for refusing to entertain?  

Also agree with this but probably not for the same reason lol.   She is different from the others, in that every other woman Tom has promised he was exclusive with has left upon finding out he's a dick slinging liar.   Their connection is he has agreed to philander more discreetly.  In exchange for a gorgeous penthouse view and more fabulous white Armani pantsuits, she has agreed not to let it get to her.  Remember that what bothered her most about Tom's slip up at the Regency wasn't that he was making out with another woman or even that it was irrefutably him, it was that it was public.   Why marry?  For him you mean?  That part is still a mystery to me but it makes sense if he'd finally found a woman with enough lack of self esteem as to be willing to look past it, if that were her condition.  I mean if you think about it, he doesn't lose much, he can still hoe around without the fear of losing her, he just needs to make sure he's not caught. 

I giggled here too:

Beth:  Nice to meet you, I'm sorry if I caused you any trouble last year

Tom:  So what are you doing for the holidays?

Lu:  He's such a gentleman, deciding to just move past it

'damo: k, girl.

Barbara is a straight up fool.   Even if they weren't on camera and couldn't see the crew and she didn't sign and individual release, she's talking to one of the primary characters at a taped event.  

Forgive me if I'm mashing up episodes, I watched two back to back.   If ya'll were John would you be a little pissed that Dorinda asked you not to come to the gathering at Richard's gravesite because it was about "the family that was", but Carole came?   I thought yeah I get that........then Carole got out of the car and I said well shit, I would be pissed. 

Ramona's last dangly section of eyelash strip was killing me.  She's officially the old lady at the club and it isn't one bit of cute. 

Did Tinsley say she she'd met and married her husband while they were at boarding school?  Then again at age 26?   Did she say why she didn't have a baby while they were together?  I mean nothing's wrong with wanting to try at 41, but if so she does not have the time to be a pedafile (™Mrs. D'Agostino). 

I don't understand the philosophy behind:   I can't come to your wedding but would still like to be invited. 

Carole if you no longer want to share space with a live in chef, it's time to break up boo. 

[AnnaL]

Avery obviously knows her mother and her antics so she takes what she says to her with a grain of salt. Despite Ramona, Avery is a girl with a good head on her shoulders and that is probably why she decided to attend college far, far away from NYC. 

Ramona, Sonya and Tinsley give me second hand embarrassment by the way hey pick up men at bars. Aren't they scared of an STD? 

Dorinda is the master shit stirrer and she is pretty good at it. I wouldn't want her as my enemy. I used to love her but now my eyes are open about her, now I just enjoy some of her techniques. 

Bethenny's imitation of Ramona had me LMAO. Even in their drama, these women still are able to make me laugh and after RHOA I truly appreciate it. 

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21 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I wonder if Lu's father cheated on her mother, so that's what she knows and has recreated for herself. I'm guilty of the same: my mother married and tolerated a rageaholic and so have I. 

Sorry HDND.  :-(

It could be she accepts it because she's a product of what she's known. But I think it's also a result of the company she's kept over the years.  Aren't the Europeans - especially the French - well known for having mistresses?  Spend enough time with the entitled who cheat and it becomes as acceptable to you as it is to them.

[Yours Truly]

2 hours ago, Mozelle said:

I said it last week: LuAnn is an insecure woman who so craves male attention that she pins her happiness on it. She knows she's marrying a guy who will not ever stop stepping out on her. However, all that matters is that she has a ring (any ring will do!) and that she'll get to wear a white wedding dress and walk down the aisle. 

 

And?

I don't get why this bugs the women so much.

Lu wants a penthouse. Okay. I get it's kinda superficial (I do believe she's happy for a variety of reasons) but I really don't understand why it's such a big deal.

Why does a relationship have to meet other people's approvals?

My biggest annoyance with this whole scenario is watching a bunch of ain't shit bitches make another woman's wedding something THEY are offended by. Why the hell does Lu's life offend anyone is what I'm always wondering.

I get offended at people being targeted. Being yelled at. Being hurt. Being treated deliberately cruel and insensitive in some sort of real time.

Lu obviously understands her situation and is happy anyway. Whether it will stay that way? Who knows but for the most part she's happy and I don't think it's only all about the money. I do believe its about the lifestyle and companionship and caring which I actually find rather sweet.

This desperate need for there to be this harsh narration of Tom's "indiscretions" seems to be forced and although I can't honestly say there can't be any truth to it I honestly don't believe it's anything as brutal as what's being presented. I think there's a good deal of hype involved in it all and that some of the details involved are benign to Lu.

Not saying its benign to most just that it's benign to Lu. It's annoying to see only two possible reactions forced on Lu.

She's either got to admit to being a nitwit or being someone who doesn't mind being cheated on cause she wants a penthouse.

It's so freaking annoying. They have a relationship for a variety of reasons and I do believe Lu has her eyes open.

So women are honestly not bothered by a wandering eye. Some women even enjoy the spice it brings to the marriage. And no, I don't think Lu should have to explain that out loud if it is in fact the case.

Forcing it to be either on or the other is annoying cause there's something about it all that flows. I don't think Lu looks desperate or insecure. I see a woman who is okay with what is. Not because it gets her the house but because it gets her the companion, the travel partner, a caring constant for her golden years who can share the same fun lifestyle she enjoys.

Will that be the case long term? Well with all the wrenches being thrown in by bitter miserable people wanting to do their best to ruin whatever it is they have set up I doubt it. And if it so happens that they do split up I do believe that Lu will sing another tune and all of a sudden have a revelation when face with explaining her ordeal from beginning to end. She's not going to outline the initial expectations they both had for their relationship and what the perimeters were.

I'm always uncomfortable when people have demands of others. The arrogance in that is really distasteful to me.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Yours Truly

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15 minutes ago, Juliegirlj said:

Carole going rock climbing with the hipsters was funny. She looked ( and probably is) old enough to be that young woman's mother. Yelling down to Adam in her baby talk speak that she didn't like it was bizarre! 

I'm trying to not bag on Carole.  But you're making it difficult. LOL.  When she was on the front lines of Afghanistan and shells were exploding all around, did she flip her ponytail and scream in a baby voice, "I don't wanna go anymore! I don't like that part! I don't like that part!"?  Aw, Carole.  You make it so damn easy.

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, Pop Tart said:

I think Bethenny realized how badly she came off last season and is doing her darnedest to not get caught doing the same this year. That's why Ramona is having such a hard time getting things started with her. Ramona is trying to engage the Bethenny of last season (the one who screeched at Lu and called her a whore) because she knows how much sympathy (and liking) Lu got from those interactions. But Bethenny is apparently trying to get another reality show about flipping real estate (?) going so she is being extra careful in all her interactions. That's why she's walking away from them. Not because she can't take the criticisms (though she is incredibly thin-skinned), but because she doesn't want to flip out again.

I will give her credit for what seemed a genuine moment when she met Tom. She felt awkward but did address the situation straight on. And I will also give her credit for not being stuck where all the other women are, determined to drag Tom and Lu down to their own levels of misery. She's moved on - whether for branding reasons or because she genuinely thinks it's none of her business (I think a combo of both) - and that's a good thing.

I do think Carole hit it on the head last night when she commented that even if Lu believed all the stuff they're saying about Tom she would never admit it to them. Or words to that effect. And I agree. Why would she in a million years tell any of these women anything? They're not her friends and they've been determined to torpedo things for her from the start. If I were her I'd probably be digging in on how happy I was too.

I don't for a moment believe that Lu doesn't know what she's getting into. She does. And she seems happy enough with her choice. And what I find interesting, for all the talk about all the women Tom has dated, Lu is the only one he's married. I don't know what that means. But clearly she's different for him then the others. Doesn't mean he won't cheat, but does mean they have some kind of connection he hasn't had with any other woman. Otherwise why marry? It's not like Lu could have tricked him into it by claiming to be pregnant.

You know funny thing. This is how I feel about Carole and Adams relationship and it resurfaced in my mind when Beth and Carole were talking in her apt. cause Carole sounded like that relationship was about to be dunnsville.

A strong part of me really believes that Caroles kept Adam around this long cause her pairing up with him was such a big deal a few seasons back. While they were talking and Carole mentioned 2 1/2 years I thought damn girl you really wanted to make a point huh?

EXACTLY!!

Why get married? They didn't need to. They both play the field and have fun at the game and I'm pretty sure they could have easily enjoyed each other regularly without having to put this into the equation. And if Lu did say she needed marriage or she wouldn't be entertaining Tom anymore then hell. It means something that Tom didn't want to lose Lu since he's managed to avoid marriage this long.  Maybe he ain't the best looking dude out there but I'm sure he's had some women walk cause he never offered up the ring so why not let Lu walk too? There is more to their relationship than just a penthouse and wedding dresses. And I say good for them.

Why be mad? Let them be. Sheesh!

Edited May 18, 2017 by Yours Truly

[KungFuBunny]

41 minutes ago, ryebread said:

One of the funniest, yet most fleeting, scenes was when Ramona struts through the kitchen at Beautique and stops to shout, "Smells good, guys." Then 'provocatively' licks the entirety of her top row of teeth.  I think she meant to lick her lips, like, "Ummm. Smells good, guys."  But true to Ramona, she gets it wrong.

How DID the kitchen staff continue their duties with such a raw display of sexy in their midst?
 

Ramona bringing NotSexyBack

Then she doubles down and dances

[Pop Tart]

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Also agree with this but probably not for the same reason lol.   She is different from the others, in that every other woman Tom has promised he was exclusive with has left upon finding out he's a dick slinging liar.   Their connection is he has agreed to philander more discreetly.  In exchange for a gorgeous penthouse view and more fabulous white Armani pantsuits, she has agreed not to let it get to her.  Remember that what bothered her most about Tom's slip up at the Regency wasn't that he was making out with another woman or even that it was irrefutably him, it was that it was public.   Why marry?  For him you mean?  That part is still a mystery to me but it makes sense if he'd finally found a woman with enough lack of self esteem as to be willing to look past it, if that were her condition.  I mean if you think about it, he doesn't lose much, he can still hoe around without the fear of losing her, he just needs to make sure he's not caught. 

Your interpretation could be right. But for all their dissing on Tom and what a cheater he is, I still think Sonja and Ramona would have said yes to a proposal faster even then Lu did. 

Still I think there must be something there for Tom other then a woman who won't complain if he cheats. He's been happily (by all accounts) dating his way through the UES for years. So why marry? Lu doesn't have tons more money then he does, she's not pregnant, she's not the first woman who would look the other way, so what's different? No idea. 

[Martinigirl]

Tom wants camera time. LuAnn wants a story line. (It's working :)

Edited May 18, 2017 by Martinigirl

[Yours Truly]

35 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

Also agree with this but probably not for the same reason lol.   She is different from the others, in that every other woman Tom has promised he was exclusive with has left upon finding out he's a dick slinging liar.   Their connection is he has agreed to philander more discreetly.  In exchange for a gorgeous penthouse view and more fabulous white Armani pantsuits, she has agreed not to let it get to her.  Remember that what bothered her most about Tom's slip up at the Regency wasn't that he was making out with another woman or even that it was irrefutably him, it was that it was public.   Why marry?  For him you mean?  That part is still a mystery to me but it makes sense if he'd finally found a woman with enough lack of self esteem as to be willing to look past it, if that were her condition.  I mean if you think about it, he doesn't lose much, he can still hoe around without the fear of losing her, he just needs to make sure he's not caught. 

 

 

So there couldn't have been another women who wanted to marry him and EVERY woman walked out on Tom? I don't think so. Plenty of women would have loved to wife him I'm sure. Just for the money. I mean Lu's being accused of it. Mean to tell me every other women that has crossed his path wouldn't have DREAMED to marry a man like Tom Dollar signs and all???

Nah, I'm sure he's let plenty of women walk away and could have probably won some of them back with the promise of marriage and a fat diamond ring no matter what color murky or otherwise.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Yours Truly

[Lady of nod]

10 hours ago, WireWrap said:

WTH? Is this really what NY has lowered itself to, the HWs trolling for meat men for most of the episode? I so miss the old days when the HWs were actual housewives with families and lives that were more rounded/happier/fun. ))sigh((

This a thousand times! It used to be my favorite HW show because the women had some substance and interesting lives. And there were family interactions (and good clothes). Bringing back the B ( who is insufferable) was supposed to save it but has done the opposite. I don't want to watch her endless nastiness and self promotion. And what was all that last week about Brynn being a hoarder?  Ridiculous. How bout some footage of her battle with the ex. That might be interesting.

Even though I might not have liked some of the past HWs, they were more entertaining than watching a bunch of desperate 50 somethings trolling the bars of NY. And I blame B for getting rid of anyone she didn't want on the show. Heather, Kristen (who was funny and had some of the best outfits), hell, even Alex and -dare I say it - crazy Kelly were more fun than these women. In a city of 8 million there has to be someone who can send this show in a different direction

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[ghoulina]

43 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

Did Tinsley say she she'd met and married her husband while they were at boarding school?  Then again at age 26?

I think she actually said they were married in HIGH SCHOOL. But were both 18. 

 

43 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

Carole if you no longer want to share space with a live in chef, it's time to break up boo.

I don't think she wanted so share space with him to begin with. It sounded like he had to leave his old place and hadn't yet found a new one. So Carole's place was an interim arrangement. If they both like their space and like living apart, but dating, I don't think they necessarily need to break up. Dorinda and John have been together for years and don't live together. But I do sometimes wonder how much Adam agrees with Carole's assessment of things. 

 

37 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

And?

I don't get why this bugs the women so much.

I could seeing bringing it up ONCE. Whether people agreed or not with HOW B brought it up last year, I understand wanting to tell Lu what was going on.  do believe there was concern there (from some, not all) and I would have probably said something myself. But after you've alerted her to what is going on, you need to let it go. She's clearly got the gist of it. If she chooses to move forward with this dude, that's on her. Drop it. 

 

The only reason I could see for being THAT bothered by it would be if you were a close girlfriend and you were fed up with Lu always complaining about the guy, but marrying him anyway. But that's not the case here. None of her close girlfriends, and Lu doesn't seem the type to confide her marriage troubles to people. 

[KungFuBunny]

12 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

I was LOL when Tom asked Bethenny what she was doing for the holidays.......Going to a wedding in Palm Beach LOL!!!!

 

53 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

I giggled here too:

Beth:  Nice to meet you, I'm sorry if I caused you any trouble last year

Tom:  So what are you doing for the holidays?

Lu:  He's such a gentleman, deciding to just move past it

'damo: k, girl.

Barbara is a straight up fool.   Even if they weren't on camera and couldn't see the crew and she didn't sign and individual release, she's talking to one of the primary characters at a taped event.  

 

 

This scene made me giggle too.

Barbara is a complete turd. In this video you can clearly see the backs of the HW's mic packs. ( I wonder if any "outfits" have been ruined) She didn't see Carole pull off the mic, and if she believed it was turned off - how did she think Carole did that without a remote control of some kind, telekinesis?

[Atlanta]

Now we know why Carole started going to the gym--because Adam goes to the gym. I know she's said she doesn't like 'gym culture', but women should do strength training. It's great for bone density. If anything, buy a set of 3, 5, 8 and 10 lbs dumbbells and workout at home. Glad to see she seems to be sticking with it. And Kittens!!!

I agree with what others are saying about this show being about 50-something women trolling bars. It's not fun to watch. I feel bad for these women. I'd rather watch a show about some glam family women going about their day to day lives. None of them are actually wives except for Luann (show wise, she's a fiancee for now). I give the widows a pass. I don't want to watch a desperate divorcee (Ramona) pretend hit on 23 year olds, or see another one with a crumbling townhouse and who washes her delicates in a bidet (ew!), or constantly see Skinny Girl products. Is Andy so out of touch with what viewers want? I was hoping Tinsley would bring some of the glam back. I originally checked into this show for a live action version of Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.

I feel like Lu will be in for a load of disappointment with her marriage. Is her penthouse that great? I saw the video snippet and didn't seem any better than the other HW places. Don't know the square footage, but it's only one bedroom and doesn't seem worth marrying a pathological cheater for. She seems to be settling. Tom may be rich, but he's a cad and not attractive, IMO. I wonder what vows they said. Did his not mention fidelity? LOL

Edited May 18, 2017 by Atlanta

[ZaldamoWilder]

1 hour ago, Yours Truly said:

So there couldn't have been another women who wanted to marry him and EVERY woman walked out on Tom? I don't think so. Plenty of women would have loved to wife him I'm sure. Just for the money. I mean Lu's being accused of it. Mean to tell me every other women that has crossed his path wouldn't have DREAMED to marry a man like Tom Dollar signs and all???

Nah, I'm sure he's let plenty of women walk away and could have probably won some of them back with the promise of marriage and a fat diamond ring no matter what color murky or otherwise.

I don't doubt he did some of the walking away but the reason I'm not inclined to give him any credit is that we know firsthand that his pattur'en involves a verbal pledge to the one he's with that's about as good as the forked tongue it's written on.   That's his pattern.  Inclusive of Luann.   I don't even doubt that there were tons of other women who would've loved to be Mrs. D'Agostino.   I doubt that any of them were willing to overlook his indiscretions beyond the altar.   Let's say she actually did have the conversation and told him don't embarrass me and don't get caught but I'm not gonna be a sidepiece you've gotta wife me up, from his perspective, he's lost nothing.   I don't even doubt he wants to be married, but exclusive?  Yeah he ain't trying to do that.  

While I'm at it, I'll also state that I don't believe the other women think their approval or imposed definitions are required.  I think it's very difficult to look at a woman, even if she's not your friend, but someone you know, who openly insists upon delusion and join in on her pretense.   That's not haterade, that's the convo I referenced above where she states that the reason Tom didn't acknowledge Beth's apology was that he's too much the gentleman to make it awkward.  

A. It's already awkward.  

B.  His valor isn't why he didn't respond. 

C.  The essential issue goes to the core of the entire problem with Luann.  Nobody is even that concerned with Tom, per se, more than they are with Lu's forced attempt at having them view this guy through her Cinderella prism.  Muffucah, you got a toad and if you like it, I love it, but please stop pointing and asking us all to look upon his gleaming crown.   They're beat about the pretense not, the marriage. 

Edited May 18, 2017 by ZaldamoWilder
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[AnnaL]

13 minutes ago, Lady of nod said:

And I blame B for getting rid of anyone she didn't want on the show. Heather, Kristen (who was funny and had some of the best outfits), hell, even Alex and -dare I say it - crazy Kelly were more fun than these women. In a city of 8 million there has to be someone who can send this show in a different direction

How could this be? 

Kelly stayed for another season after Bethenny left, how can she be guilty of removing her if she wasn't even a HW then? kelly had mental issues that made it uncomfortable for me to watch so I am happy she is somewhere on her rainbow and lollipops land, away from the cameras and enjoying her oblivious reality. 

Same with Alex, she was canned in a season that had nothing to do with Bethenny. I have always blamed Simon for her departure. She was fired because Simon was a loose cannon and started to give insights into production shenanigans. 

Heather left because it was affecting her business and because she had enough common sense in her not to play in Bravo's exploitation of women, she didn't want to roll in the mud with them and I don't blame her for it. If she wanted to stay I am sure she would have. 

Kristen left because she didn't want her husband's escapades on that escort website exposed, she knew it would have been a topic and she decided to leave the show, she wasn't fired and neither was Heather, they decided on their own to leave for their own reasons. 

I am baffled at this notion that Bethenny can make this women (and their cheating husbands) do things that they would never do just to please her. 

She must be the most powerful HW that ever was, I don't see it JMO. 

[Mozelle]

1 hour ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

I couldn't stop laughing at the tv.   This entire scene is the personification of that riddle where you have to get a goat, a lion and a cabbage from one side of an island to the other in your canoe, only carrying one at a time and ensuring that they all make it to the other side intact.   Even before Ramona moved I was couting heads, tambout, hey lol, um, where's Ramona?    Sonja, poor thing.  Girl you left the goat and the lion and rowed away with the cabbage.  Dumbass.

ITA.  Ramona, especially, has been doing the most with her how does your baby feel about you being a porn star/don't you talk to like your girlfriends messiness.    But Beth is the one who's weird for refusing to entertain?  

Also agree with this but probably not for the same reason lol.   She is different from the others, in that every other woman Tom has promised he was exclusive with has left upon finding out he's a dick slinging liar.   Their connection is he has agreed to philander more discreetly.  In exchange for a gorgeous penthouse view and more fabulous white Armani pantsuits, she has agreed not to let it get to her.  Remember that what bothered her most about Tom's slip up at the Regency wasn't that he was making out with another woman or even that it was irrefutably him, it was that it was public.   Why marry?  For him you mean?  That part is still a mystery to me but it makes sense if he'd finally found a woman with enough lack of self esteem as to be willing to look past it, if that were her condition.  I mean if you think about it, he doesn't lose much, he can still hoe around without the fear of losing her, he just needs to make sure he's not caught. 

I giggled here too:

Beth:  Nice to meet you, I'm sorry if I caused you any trouble last year

Tom:  So what are you doing for the holidays?

Lu:  He's such a gentleman, deciding to just move past it

'damo: k, girl.

Barbara is a straight up fool.   Even if they weren't on camera and couldn't see the crew and she didn't sign and individual release, she's talking to one of the primary characters at a taped event.  

Forgive me if I'm mashing up episodes, I watched two back to back.   If ya'll were John would you be a little pissed that Dorinda asked you not to come to the gathering at Richard's gravesite because it was about "the family that was", but Carole came?   I thought yeah I get that........then Carole got out of the car and I said well shit, I would be pissed. 

Ramona's last dangly section of eyelash strip was killing me.  She's officially the old lady at the club and it isn't one bit of cute. 

Did Tinsley say she she'd met and married her husband while they were at boarding school?  Then again at age 26?   Did she say why she didn't have a baby while they were together?  I mean nothing's wrong with wanting to try at 41, but if so she does not have the time to be a pedafile (™Mrs. D'Agostino). 

I don't understand the philosophy behind:   I can't come to your wedding but would still like to be invited. 

Carole if you no longer want to share space with a live in chef, it's time to break up boo. 

Girl, how I love your posts! Ramona soooo wants to be the one who people think of as being great for this guy or that. So, of course, she was going to undercut the woman who all the other women were saying should shoot her shot at Milosz. 

49 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

And?

I don't get why this bugs the women so much.

Lu wants a penthouse. Okay. I get it's kinda superficial (I do believe she's happy for a variety of reasons) but I really don't understand why it's such a big deal.

Why does a relationship have to meet other people's approvals?

My biggest annoyance with this whole scenario is watching a bunch of ain't shit bitches make another woman's wedding something THEY are offended by. Why the hell does Lu's life offend anyone is what I'm always wondering.

I get offended at people being targeted. Being yelled at. Being hurt. Being treated deliberately cruel and insensitive in some sort of real time.

Lu obviously understands her situation and is happy anyway. Whether it will stay that way? Who knows but for the most part she's happy and I don't think it's only all about the money. I do believe its about the lifestyle and companionship and caring which I actually find rather sweet.

This desperate need for there to be this harsh narration of Tom's "indiscretions" seems to be forced and although I can't honestly say there can't be any truth to it I honestly don't believe it's anything as brutal as what's being presented. I think there's a good deal of hype involved in it all and that some of the details involved are benign to Lu.

Not saying its benign to most just that it's benign to Lu. It's annoying to see only two possible reactions forced on Lu.

She's either got to admit to being a nitwit or being someone who doesn't mind being cheated on cause she wants a penthouse.

It's so freaking annoying. They have a relationship for a variety of reasons and I do believe Lu has her eyes open.

So women are honestly not bothered by a wandering eye. Some women even enjoy the spice it brings to the marriage. And no, I don't think Lu should have to explain that out loud if it is in fact the case.

Forcing it to be either on or the other is annoying cause there's something about it all that flows. I don't think Lu looks desperate or insecure. I see a woman who is okay with what is. Not because it gets her the house but because it gets her the companion, the travel partner, a caring constant for her golden years who can share the same fun lifestyle she enjoys.

Will that be the case long term? Well with all the wrenches being thrown in by bitter miserable people wanting to do their best to ruin whatever it is they have set up I doubt it. And if it so happens that they do split up I do believe that Lu will sing another tune and all of a sudden have a revelation when face with explaining her ordeal from beginning to end. She's not going to outline the initial expectations they both had for their relationship and what the perimeters were.

I'm always uncomfortable when people have demands of others. The arrogance in that is really distasteful to me.

And...it's sad...and pathetic...and sad...and pathetic some more. I don't think that LuAnn is happy, to be honest. I think it's as Chatty Barbara said: LuAnn wants to prove others wrong more than she actually wants to be with Tom. I find that to be a really sad state of affairs. 

[SweetieDarling]

I was going to comment on the absurdity of Sonja referring to Ramona and Tinsley as "Two goofballs who are trying to pretend they have their shit together." , but then I thought, if anyone, Sonja would be the resident expert on that.  And then I thought of Betheny, Carole and Luann, and realized it actually applies to all of them.

The show description should read:  The Real Housewives of New York City; The Misadventures of 6 Goofballs Trying to Pretend They Have Their Shit Together

[msblossom]

The cringey scene with Tinsley, Ramona and Sonja chatting up and flirting with young guys at the pick up bar was OTT embarrassing and desperate  And I loved that Avery, not so subtly, attempted to convey to Ramona that she is a try-too-hard old woman. I'm sure it's not the first time either. Listen to your daughter, Ramona! And Chad needs to drop Tinsley and go for someone more like Avery. 

[QuinnM]

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I feel like Lu will be in for a load of disappointment with her marriage. Is her penthouse that great? I saw the video snippet and didn't seem any better than the other HW places. Don't know the square footage, but it's only one bedroom and doesn't seem worth marrying a pathological cheater for.

It is small.  It has wonderful outside space but you can't store your shoes and gowns ona balcony.  Then last night Luann referred to his place in Palm Beach as small.  So small that her children will stay at hotel for the wedding.  So the only property of any livable size is her place in the Hamptons.  I don't get it.  He obviously has bachelor pads in NYC and PB.  So is he going to sell up to a couples in PB at least?  She mentioned wintering down there.  They can stay at the Hamptons in the summer and use the small penthouse for a town place. 

If she married him for real estate she got screwed.

And we saw a fast shot of Bethenny's new apartment.  She mentioned it was 2000 sq ft bigger.  That makes it 4300/4500 sq ft.  That's a nice size for NYC.  I wonder if it has outside space.  She doesn't seem to be big on having that.

[ryebread]

21 minutes ago, Mozelle said:

I think it's as Chatty Barbara said: LuAnn wants to prove others wrong more than she actually wants to be with Tom. I find that to be a really sad state of affairs. 

This.  I said it all last season: "Ain't gonna be no wedding."  Because I was sure she was going to come to her senses.  I am stunned that I was wrong, ha, but I kept saying it because I felt the same way Barbara felt.  That if Lu did go through with it, it was because she wanted to prove others wrong. 

But I kept holding out.  Yes I did, until December 31, 2016 at 6:29 p.m. that she'd call the whole thing off.  But she wasn't smart.  And I was wrong.

Damn.  That's twice in less than 6 months.

[Mariareads]

What a completely boring season of RHONYC. AWFUL. All BF is doing is promoting her next show. To be honest, I won't be watching. I think her 15 minutes are up with me. Not interested. The Luann marriage story is enough already. Carol is a bore. Ramona is embarrassing as a 60 year old chasing penis all over the place and ruining her face with whatever she is doing to it. This Tinsley person is looking like a whore. Bring back Ladies of London. At least it was interesting. 

[Mozelle]

5 minutes ago, ryebread said:

This.  I said it all last season: "Ain't gonna be no wedding."  Because I was sure she was going to come to her senses.  I am stunned that I was wrong, ha, but I kept saying it because I felt the same way Barbara felt.  That if Lu did go through with it, it was because she wanted to prove others wrong. 

But I kept holding out.  Yes I did, until December 31, 2016 at 6:29 p.m. that she'd call the whole thing off.  But she wasn't smart.  And I was wrong.

Damn.  That's twice in less than 6 months.

Ha! Down to the minute!

[ZaldamoWilder]

1 hour ago, Pop Tart said:

Your interpretation could be right. But for all their dissing on Tom and what a cheater he is, I still think Sonja and Ramona would have said yes to a proposal faster even then Lu did. 

Still I think there must be something there for Tom other then a woman who won't complain if he cheats. He's been happily (by all accounts) dating his way through the UES for years. So why marry? Lu doesn't have tons more money then he does, she's not pregnant, she's not the first woman who would look the other way, so what's different? No idea. 

Part of Sonja's sitting shiva was that he never considered it.  She was the chick he was cheating on side chicks with. 

Ramona would not have married this man, she left a husband she'd genuinely been in love with for 24 years after confirming he had a mistress.  She might be boundaryless af in other areas, but cheating is her deal breaker.

I do believe he loves Luann, that isn't exclusive to the idea that he wants to sleep with other women though.  I hear men say this all the time about affairs, we are the ones who get it twisted sex and love have nothing to do with each other and I think that he actually appreciates that Luann is a woman who may not like that, but accepts it.

[BBHN]

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Tom wants camera time. LuAnn wants a story line. 

Win win for both.

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I am baffled at this notion that Bethenny can make this women (and their cheating husbands) do things that they would never do just to please her. 

She must be the most powerful HW that ever was, I don't see it JMO. 

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And...it's sad...and pathetic...and sad...and pathetic some more. I don't think that LuAnn is happy, to be honest. I think it's as Chatty Barbara said: LuAnn wants to prove others wrong more than she actually wants to be with Tom. I find that to be a really sad state of affairs. 

It's a train wreck waiting to happen. Best to just sit back, watch, enjoy, and...

[Lady of nod]

1 hour ago, AnnaL said:

How could this be? 

Kelly stayed for another season after Bethenny left, how can she be guilty of removing her if she wasn't even a HW then? kelly had mental issues that made it uncomfortable for me to watch so I am happy she is somewhere on her rainbow and lollipops land, away from the cameras and enjoying her oblivious reality. 

Same with Alex, she was canned in a season that had nothing to do with Bethenny. I have always blamed Simon for her departure. She was fired because Simon was a loose cannon and started to give insights into production shenanigans. 

Heather left because it was affecting her business and because she had enough common sense in her not to play in Bravo's exploitation of women, she didn't want to roll in the mud with them and I don't blame her for it. If she wanted to stay I am sure she would have. 

Kristen left because she didn't want her husband's escapades on that escort website exposed, she knew it would have been a topic and she decided to leave the show, she wasn't fired and neither was Heather, they decided on their own to leave for their own reasons. 

I am baffled at this notion that Bethenny can make this women (and their cheating husbands) do things that they would never do just to please her. 

She must be the most powerful HW that ever was, I don't see it JMO. 

Apologies. i should have worded that better. I don't blame B for Alex and yes Kelly probably went because of her mental issues, but I do think she was partly responsible for Heather and Kristen's departure. I think Kristen was offed before the scandal broke. I could be wrong. And I think Heather was just edged out by B, or just had enough of her BS. Just my opinion 

[Baltimore Betty]

I guess Lu's friend Barbara did not realize her mic was live, I cannot imagine how she could explain any of what she said on camera about how Lu should call off the wedding.  Tom really was a gentleman about meeting Bethenny.

Sonja is boring this season as is Ramona which makes me think Ramona's  horrible comments to Bethenny were weak attempts to keep her interesting and controversial and/or maybe the producers were prodding her along to stir things up.  I loved Ramona's daughter telling her the problem she has with other people seems to always be because of her own doing.

Had anyone else noticed that the pitcher of water that Sonya had the leaf in, that water was brown. Combine the brown water with the no hot water situation should motivate Tinsley to find her own place ASAP. 

Sonya has no place telling Tinsley not to go after the youngen's, geeze, pot calling the kettle black or what?!

How in the world were we spared any camera time with John? How lucky are we!  Dorinda's event looked nice, I loved her telling the bartenders not to serve anymore booze till people start to bid, too funny. In reality booze is responsible for most of the silent auction items I have ever gotten.

[Leroux]

So on the topic of "why does it bother the other women" 

It doesn't bother Dorinda, she was the matchmaker after all, Tinsley doesn't care at all so good for her. Bethenny said what she had to say last season  and as soon as she realized that Luann was not interested in knowing about his indiscretions, that she was going to marry come hell or high heaven, she backed completely off. Bethenny knows that Tom will cheat and Luann will look the other way and they will be happily ever after. 

Carole has a personal beef with Luann and I don't blame her, Luann was really insulting when she called her a pedophile and that is not something that is easily forgiven. It might be petty but I can see how Carole has not completely forgiven Luann.

Sonya and Ramona have been Tom's victims. Hear me out here!!

They are both old enough to know better but based on several of Tom's past women, there seems to be a pattern here. Tom is not the ultimate player, he is not the type to tell this women upfront that this is just a hook up, he seems to string them along making them believe that they are in a relationship and that he is falling for them, several of them have said that they thought they were the ones until they found out about Luann, that IMO is pretty shitty.  He is a predator who preys on the insecurities of these women and then discards them like trash.  Ramona and Sonya have it out for Tom so it pleases them to bring up his cheating ways. 

If I was Luann, I wouldn't be flashing my fairy tale love story, I would be having separate bank accounts, pre-nup in place and life insurance with my kids as beneficiaries. Everybody seem to think that Tom is such a great catch and IMO he is nothing but a scam artist, someone who has been preying on needy women but didn't put a ring on it until he found someone financially set like Luann.  Luann might not be rolling on dough but until somebody proves me wrong, I think that Tom's wealth is a lot of fluff. Does he own the apartment or does he rent it? Is his company among the 500? or just a small business that is more a facade than anything else. 

Luann is bent on selling her love story but I think everybody knows what is up with this marriage, she should just say "yes, I have an open marriage so what bitches? and move on. Instead she wants people to believe that Tom was a feisty bachelor but found her, fell in love and married her because she is much better than the other women he has dated before. That is probably what irks the other women. 

[Drumpf1737]

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I think that he actually appreciates that Luann is a woman who may not like that, but accepts it.

What if Lu is just a woman who thinks the same way Tom does? Maybe Lu wants the option for a tight bod and more stamina some nights, but conversation, companionship most nights. Is a woman choosing her fate and her path to happiness so foreign that we have to say she's desperate or after the money in order to accept it. 

To me, this linear way of thinking is what creates women like Ramona. She desperately wants to be paired so she can lord it over the other women. Ramona is no different than RHOA Phaedra in that having a husband is a badge that proves your desirability and that you're a "real" woman. 

This show is getting incredibly boring.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Drumpf1737

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

I don't doubt he did some of the walking away but the reason I'm not inclined to give him any credit is that we know firsthand that his pattur'en involves a verbal pledge to the one he's with that's about as good as the forked tongue it's written on.   That's his pattern.  Inclusive of Luann.   I don't even doubt that there were tons of other women who would've loved to be Mrs. D'Agostino.   I doubt that any of them were willing to overlook his indiscretions beyond the altar.   Let's say she actually did have the conversation and told him don't embarrass me and don't get caught but I'm not gonna be a sidepiece you've gotta wife me up, from his perspective, he's lost nothing.   I don't even doubt he wants to be married, but exclusive?  Yeah he ain't trying to do that.  

While I'm at it, I'll also state that I don't believe the other women think their approval or imposed definitions are required.  I think it's very difficult to look at a woman, even if she's not your friend, but someone you know, who openly insists upon delusion and join in on her pretense.   That's not haterade, that's the convo I referenced above where she states that the reason Tom didn't acknowledge Beth's apology was that he's too much the gentleman to make it awkward.  

A. It's already awkward.  

B.  His valor isn't why he didn't respond. 

C.  The essential issue goes to the core of the entire problem with Luann.  Nobody is even that concerned with Tom, per se, more than they are with Lu's forced attempt at having them view this guy through her Cinderella prism.  Muffucah, you got a toad and if you like it, I love it, but please stop pointing and asking us all to look upon his gleaming crown.   They're beat about the pretense not, the marriage. 

I'm not actually inclined to believe that he pledges to women. Some women are quick to jump into monogamous dating assumptions. A lot of women assume that the dating stage is a monogamous affair.

There is something about the situation that reads completely corny with regards to these other women in Tom's life. He seems to be known as a player and when he came on the scene it looked like he was a serial dater just like Lu and now we are supposed to believe that he goes around pretending to be in relationships with various women all at once? I don't buy it. I can buy that he dates women and doesn't find the need to offer a list of other women he is currently dating and doesn't freely disclose this detail. I get that that's supposed to be viewed as underhanded but in all honesty I date. I don't share what I do on my time away from anyone I may be seeing with them. I may be seeing someone else and going on dates. My thing is unless we've moved on from dinner, texting, talking on the phone and even knocking boots here and there and into a more day in day out routine where we then decide on our status we ain't in a relationship and I'm free to do the exact same thing with anyone else in my life WITHOUT your knowledge.

This logic offends people but in reality that's what happens and I actually think it's pretty reasonable. I'm also not inclined to disclose personal details like oh yeah so I'm involved with other men just so ya know. Nothing serious, haven't found the one but I do like the company of men so I still date. I mean what the hell. The way I deal with being single and dating is this. Whatever he is doing that's not on my time doesn't concern me until I want it to concern me and if I find myself feeling a certain kind of way about what he's up to when he's not with me then it's time to evaluate what I want what's being offered and make decisions from there..... and Vice Versa. Until then I'm keeping private stuff private. Intimate information like that isn't required after two dinners. Hell, unless we are discussing getting serious with each certain shit stays private. That's how I feel so I guess that's why Tom really doesn't bug me so much. I can't get up in arms about his bachelor routine. Besides I'm a bit annoyed at how weak and pathetic it makes these other women seem. Like naive little girls who've been duped by a player. Like he's some mastermind that's deceived them all. Give me a break. It was no secret he was thought to be a terminal bachelor but all these women thought they were his one and only??? Really?

Bogus.

Delusion?

My interpretation is that Lu isn't bothered by it, not that she's some out of her mind broad with marbles running around upstairs. I expect she doesn't really fancy the idea of having to wear a huge sign around theirs necks with a line by line description of their marriage so she rather just keep the detail simple. Which are they are getting married, they are in love and she's very happy. Anything is too much work to hash out for judgmental people who want to take jabs. 

I don't think she's forcing people to see him that way. I think she's tired of them bringing shit to her cause then she has no choice but to defend her frog cause he truly hasn't done anything to her according to what they have and she wants them to understand that. But she knows he's a frog and other don't understand their connection so she's left with just making light and pointing out basic qualities with the hopes of just avoiding the next attack.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Yours Truly

[Trooper York]

19 minutes ago, Drumpf1737 said:

This show is getting incredibly boring.

This. Boring, repetitive and tedious.

Why is Luann and Tom the only thing going on again? Don't they have anything else going on in their lives? If not they need some new Housewives.

I was happy to see that John has wised up and limited his appearance to a show of support and backing off to let someone else be the target. Tom is the target of opportunity and I must say he wears it well. Even when the chief witch of the coven comes up to him he handles it with suave equanimity.  "Yeah you trashed my life and relationship on national television just for ratings but you mean so little to me in the scheme of things that I can be polite and contemptuous of you and your little plots. What are doing for the Holidays? Not spending it with your Mom like a normal person because you both hate each other. Not spending it with your daughter and the ex in a family setting like people who can find a way to not make it a battleground for the sake of the children. Not spending it with your boyfriend who is still married to someone else and probably has to be with his kids. So what's the plan? I bet you can demand that your assistants and minions come over for a jolly holly Christmas! Toxic prepared drinks that taste like medicine and the popcorn that didn't make the cut for Marshals. Cool."

Edited May 18, 2017 by Trooper York

[BBHN]

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I do believe he loves Luann, that isn't exclusive to the idea that he wants to sleep with other women though.  I hear men say this all the time about affairs, we are the ones who get it twisted sex and love have nothing to do with each other and I think that he actually appreciates that Luann is a woman who may not like that, but accepts it.

Luann for chilling with on the terrace and in the Hamptons, and a sidepiece for banging in the bedroom.

[robroy]

44 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

Ramona would not have married this man, she left a husband she'd genuinely been in love with for 24 years after confirming he had a mistress.  She might be boundaryless af in other areas, but cheating is her deal breaker.

I do believe he loves Luann, that isn't exclusive to the idea that he wants to sleep with other women though.  I hear men say this all the time about affairs, we are the ones who get it twisted sex and love have nothing to do with each other and I think that he actually appreciates that Luann is a woman who may not like that, but accepts it.

Actually Ramona was willing to stay in the marriage. Mario basically left. That other girl was no longer a piece on the side. And the others made it clear he had cheated before. We've basically seem how rudderless Ramona is without a husband.

Luann is a more complicated story because instead of sitting home crying she has proven capable of being on the prowl herself. I find it hard to believe that there are really many options for Ramona. The type of man she wants is going to date a 45 year old woman tops. And one who is less batshit crazy at that. So that's why I think she is so bitter about Lu. I think she would have gone for that setup in a second.

Sometimes people really do want one type of wife and another type on the side. And in modern times there are plenty of women with the same inclination. I think Luann's ex is probably still her great love. This guy is for physical purposes, travel and companionship. Which is not to say maybe Tom does stick to fidelity.  And maybe not. One of my high school friend's parents were notorious for bitter fights that sometimes occurred because of his affairs. The mother was no shrinking violet and they had enough wealth to both walk away with the same material lifestyle. Neither of them walked away- they just got off on the drama, fights and reconciling. I actually heard her tell another woman that the wife shouldn't care what the husband does as long as she controls the checkbook and he gets his car back in the garage by the end of the night. Different strokes...

[BusyOctober]

14 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Why is Bethenny wearing all these Lori Greiner dresses?

She's trying to either cozy up to or replace Lori? http://pagesix.com/2017/05/15/bethenny-frankel-joining-shark-tank/

I would give ANYTHING for Sonja to be on an episode with Bethenny. She'd be wearing one of her Burlesque costumes (the one with underwear of course) & vamp her way through her presentation.

 "Hi Sharks!  I'm Sonja and have I got a sexy toaster over for YOU!  It doesn't exist yet, despite working on it for 8 years, but it is the best toaster oven ever! Just ask my Nigerian football team.  It comes in a box with half naked men on it!  You can make entire glamorous Upper East Side meals in it! Things like TOAST! And TOASTED English Muffins!  You can even reheat a slice of pizza one of your twenty something Interns or French "lovahs" leave behind! Now, who's ready to turn up the heat and get TOASTED with ME?" 

[ryebread]

10 minutes ago, Leroux said:

Carole has a personal beef with Luann and I don't blame her, Luann was really insulting when she called her a pedophile and that is not something that is easily forgiven.

There's a 22 year age gap between Carole and Adam.  And an 18 year gap between Tinsley and Chad.

Why does it seem like we are so much more tolerant of Carole and Adam? Is it the difference between 23 (Chad) and 28 (Adam) when they met their older ladies?  

Or is it because Adam and Carole have spared us a close-up of them swapping gum?

What is an acceptable age for a male to be, for a woman 18 years+ his senior to date?  Where's your personal cut off?  I have a college age son so my answer is 35. 

[Yours Truly]

58 minutes ago, Leroux said:

So on the topic of "why does it bother the other women" 

It doesn't bother Dorinda, she was the matchmaker after all, Tinsley doesn't care at all so good for her. Bethenny said what she had to say last season  and as soon as she realized that Luann was not interested in knowing about his indiscretions, that she was going to marry come hell or high heaven, she backed completely off. Bethenny knows that Tom will cheat and Luann will look the other way and they will be happily ever after. 

Carole has a personal beef with Luann and I don't blame her, Luann was really insulting when she called her a pedophile and that is not something that is easily forgiven. It might be petty but I can see how Carole has not completely forgiven Luann.

Sonya and Ramona have been Tom's victims. Hear me out here!!

They are both old enough to know better but based on several of Tom's past women, there seems to be a pattern here. Tom is not the ultimate player, he is not the type to tell this women upfront that this is just a hook up, he seems to string them along making them believe that they are in a relationship and that he is falling for them, several of them have said that they thought they were the ones until they found out about Luann, that IMO is pretty shitty.  He is a predator who preys on the insecurities of these women and then discards them like trash.  Ramona and Sonya have it out for Tom so it pleases them to bring up his cheating ways. 

If I was Luann, I wouldn't be flashing my fairy tale love story, I would be having separate bank accounts, pre-nup in place and life insurance with my kids as beneficiaries. Everybody seem to think that Tom is such a great catch and IMO he is nothing but a scam artist, someone who has been preying on needy women but didn't put a ring on it until he found someone financially set like Luann.  Luann might not be rolling on dough but until somebody proves me wrong, I think that Tom's wealth is a lot of fluff. Does he own the apartment or does he rent it? Is his company among the 500? or just a small business that is more a facade than anything else. 

Luann is bent on selling her love story but I think everybody knows what is up with this marriage, she should just say "yes, I have an open marriage so what bitches? and move on. Instead she wants people to believe that Tom was a feisty bachelor but found her, fell in love and married her because she is much better than the other women he has dated before. That is probably what irks the other women. 

Okay, well this is just a sad state of affairs for women.

So women really are that gullible? And women their age? With a man that ain't that cute either? I find that amusing.

I never assume shit. And it's pretty obvious whether you are headed somewhere or not.

It's pretty annoying to hear these women described as such pathetic little victims. I mean really? So these women thought they were the only one's why? I'd like to know what it was that had them fooled. Money bet that a lot of what you'll hear is that they went out a few times, had dinner, fucked and were in touch with each other regular by phone or text but nothing really involved. Lather, rinse, repeat. Even if that goes on for a few weeks if you haven't gone to the movies, seen each other in person a few times a week, basically created an intimate routine day in day out then you're not the only one. Unless of course it's been officially declared and you are both building on whatever it is you have time for but since it's been decided then whatever works.

I don't need a man to announce to me that I'm a hook up. I'm a grown woman. I should know the deal by the circumstances that surround our pairing without expecting a disclaimer from every man I come across. Same way I don't want to have to slap a man with that detail while I'm seeing him. Hell you may or may not be only a hook up. I'm usually still deciding within the first few weeks. Not about to spill that offensiveness during the first, second date.

"Ummm, yeah I'm still not sure if I plan on keeping you around. Not sure I like you that much yet but ya know just thought I'd let you know I'm still sizing you up and in the meantime I'm completely fine with dinner and sex. Oh and by the way you won't be the only one".

Edited May 18, 2017 by Yours Truly

[Yours Truly]

52 minutes ago, Drumpf1737 said:

What if Lu is just a woman who thinks the same way Tom does? Maybe Lu wants the option for a tight bod and more stamina some nights, but conversation, companionship most nights. Is a woman choosing her fate and her path to happiness so foreign that we have to say she's desperate or after the money in order to accept it. 

To me, this linear way of thinking is what creates women like Ramona. She desperately wants to be paired so she can lord it over the other women. Ramona is no different than RHOA Phaedra in that having a husband is a badge that proves your desirability and that you're a "real" woman.

This show is getting incredibly boring.

Thank you!!!!!

This  need to paint women as such clueless victims is so infuriating.

Giving Tom so much credit and all those poor poor women he deceived our sympathies or disdain as in Lu's case.

Sounds to me he was a serial dater. Nothing more, nothing less.

Have any of these women claimed to have ever been his official girlfriend?

Seems to me there's a picture being painted as him cheating on women he was seeing.

So cheating also includes people you AREN'T in a relationship with? This is mind boggling.

And yes I know that we do have the example of him "cheating" on Lu. But as to all this other stuff and these other women's stories.

Has he had any other official relationships end due to infidelity? I really don't know so if he has okay then but these aren't the example being thrown out as evidence against Tom. Instead parading a bunch of sad women who didn't know they were "prey" is the theme. Besides the Regency we got a lot of hot air about the way he was dating (which the whole UES knew) and some dimwits who assumed (or more like hoped) he was just dating them. But he's somehow this huge predator cause he likes dating women.

Are we or are we not in 2017?

Women should be expected to use some common sense while on the dating scene. No?

Edited May 18, 2017 by Yours Truly

[HunterHunted]

2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I think she actually said they were married in HIGH SCHOOL. But were both 18. 

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Did Tinsley say she she'd met and married her husband while they were at boarding school?  Then again at age 26?   Did she say why she didn't have a baby while they were together?  I mean nothing's wrong with wanting to try at 41, but if so she does not have the time to be a pedafile (™Mrs. D'Agostino). 

Tinsley met Topper in boarding school. They got married in a courthouse when they were 18. Topper's parents made him get an annulment in like the Dominican Republic. He and Tinsley got married again at 26.

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Why does it seem like we are so much more tolerant of Carole and Adam?

Not on these boards...

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What if Lu is just a woman who thinks the same way Tom does? Maybe Lu wants the option for a tight bod and more stamina some nights, but conversation, companionship most nights. Is a woman choosing her fate and her path to happiness so foreign that we have to say she's desperate or after the money in order to accept it. 

The issue isn't that. If Luann feels that way and that is what she is looking for, great. Except she's trying to paint what she and Tom have as the most amazing love story ever, which...ok, Former-Countess, whatever makes you feel cool and not uncool.

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10 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

This  need to paint women as such clueless victims is so infuriating.

I don't think Lu is clueless nor a victim.

But I do think that if all things were equal (personality, money, looks etc.):

If Lu had to marry the guy who was everything and faithful, or

the guy who was everything and unfaithful - she'd pick the faithful one.  Who wouldn't? 

Possibly the woman who wants an open marriage but, she's already told us she didn't want an open marriage when the Count did it to her.  And IIRC, she said that's NOT the way she and Tom were going to run their marriage.  So the question remains, why this guy?

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41 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I'm not actually inclined to believe that he pledges to women. Some women are quick to jump into monogamous dating assumptions. A lot of women assume that the dating stage is a monogamous affair.

Didn't the woman who dated Tom say that he made it clear they were exclusive? I thought she said he told her she was the only one. It's one thing to be honest, quite another to imply one thing and do another.

Whatever. Don't really care. Lu seems okay with the set up, so I can't quite find it in myself to give a shit. However, anyone who has watched this show from the beginning might find Lu a bit hypocritical. She set herself up as the judgment police who was all about class and behavior. Her comments toward Carole as a pedophile were especially vile. Guess nobody is allowed to judge her relationship, but she has no problem doing it to others.

She is rewriting history. It's okay to be sexually free, as long as an older woman isn't with a younger man. That is some sexist shit right there. She can't demand that the women be happy for her, all the while judging Carole's relationship. 

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58 minutes ago, Drumpf1737 said:

What if Lu is just a woman who thinks the same way Tom does? Maybe Lu wants the option for a tight bod and more stamina some nights, but conversation, companionship most nights. Is a woman choosing her fate and her path to happiness so foreign that we have to say she's desperate or after the money in order to accept it. 

To me, this linear way of thinking is what creates women like Ramona. She desperately wants to be paired so she can lord it over the other women. Ramona is no different than RHOA Phaedra in that having a husband is a badge that proves your desirability and that you're a "real" woman.

This show is getting incredibly boring.

If she had been in the past, none of the Count's exploits would have moved her to define her open marriage with the distinction of he was open, I wasn't.  If she became this woman since her divorce, she wouldn'tve felt the need to defend any of Tom's exploits.  See when you're #TeamUnbothered, messy bitches cannot embarrass you with a thing you're already ok with. 

Not to me.  But then, I don't think she's either.   (unnecessarily) pretentious is the thing I keep coming back to.  Lu is no different to me than a person who buys a $90K depreciating asset and drives it home to the projects, smug in the impression that they somehow have a life I envy.   Yawl are concentrating on the details when I've already said we don't give a fuck about the particulars - the pretense is the problem.   <---  sorry, this was said for emphasis, not greasiness lol.

47 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I'm not actually inclined to believe that he pledges to women. Some women are quick to jump into monogamous dating assumptions. A lot of women assume that the dating stage is a monogamous affair.

There is something about the situation that reads completely corny with regards to these other women in Tom's life. He seems to be known as a player and when he came on the scene it looked like he was a serial dater just like Lu and now we are supposed to believe that he goes around pretending to be in relationships with various women all at once? I don't buy it. I can buy that he dates women and doesn't find the need to offer a list of other women he is currently dating and doesn't freely disclose this detail. I get that that's supposed to be viewed as underhanded but in all honesty I date. I don't share what I do on my time away from anyone I may be seeing with them. I may be seeing someone else and going on dates. My thing is unless we've moved on from dinner, texting, talking on the phone and even knocking boots here and there and into a more day in day out routine where we then decide on our status we ain't in a relationship and I'm free to do the exact same thing with anyone else in my life WITHOUT your knowledge.

This logic offends people but in reality that's what happens and I actually think it's pretty reasonable. I'm also not inclined to disclose personal details like oh yeah so I'm involved with other men just so ya know. Nothing serious, haven't found the one but I do like the company of men so I still date. I mean what the hell. The way I deal with being single and dating is this. Whatever he is doing that's not on my time doesn't concern me until I want it to concern me and if I find myself feeling a certain kind of way about what he's up to when he's not with me then it's time to evaluate what I want what's being offered and make decisions from there..... and Vice Versa. Until then I'm keeping private stuff private. Intimate information like that isn't required after two dinners. Hell, unless we are discussing getting serious with each certain shit stays private. That's how I feel so I guess that's why Tom really doesn't bug me so much. I can't get up in arms about his bachelor routine. Besides I'm a bit annoyed at how weak and pathetic it makes these other women seem. Like naive little girls who've been duped by a player. Like he's some mastermind that's deceived them all. Give me a break. It was no secret he was thought to be a terminal bachelor but all these women thought they were his one and only??? Really?

Bogus.

Delusion?

My interpretation is that Lu isn't bothered by it, not that she's some out of her mind broad with marbles running around upstairs. I expect she doesn't really fancy the idea of having to wear a huge sign around theirs necks with a line by line description of their marriage so she rather just keep the detail simple. Which are they are getting married, they are in love and she's very happy. Anything is too much work to hash out for judgmental people who want to take jabs. 

I don't think she's forcing people to see him that way. I think she's tired of them bringing shit to her cause then she has no choice but to defend her frog cause he truly hasn't done anything to her according to what they have and she wants them to understand that. But she knows he's a frog and other don't understand their connection so she's left with just making light and pointing out basic qualities with the hopes of just avoiding the next attack.

I think whether or not we believe it is up to us.    What I'm saying is that we've seen it. 

Lu did, so.....really.

34 minutes ago, robroy said:

Actually Ramona was willing to stay in the marriage. Mario basically left. That other girl was no longer a piece on the side. And the others made it clear he had cheated before. We've basically seem how rudderless Ramona is without a husband.

Luann is a more complicated story because instead of sitting home crying she has proven capable of being on the prowl herself. I find it hard to believe that there are really many options for Ramona. The type of man she wants is going to date a 45 year old woman tops. And one who is less batshit crazy at that. So that's why I think she is so bitter about Lu. I think she would have gone for that setup in a second.

Sometimes people really do want one type of wife and another type on the side. And in modern times there are plenty of women with the same inclination. I think Luann's ex is probably still her great love. This guy is for physical purposes, travel and companionship. Which is not to say maybe Tom does stick to fidelity.  And maybe not. One of my high school friend's parents were notorious for bitter fights that sometimes occurred because of his affairs. The mother was no shrinking violet and they had enough wealth to both walk away with the same material lifestyle. Neither of them walked away- they just got off on the drama, fights and reconciling. I actually heard her tell another woman that the wife shouldn't care what the husband does as long as she controls the checkbook and he gets his car back in the garage by the end of the night. Different strokes...

She's the one who filed.  Which proves nothing but might belie the idea of reconcile as a goal.   I agree she acts a whole fool without a man in her life.  This is the only time she can get me to feel for her.

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31 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Why does it seem like we are so much more tolerant of Carole and Adam?

 

9 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Not on these boards...

Loads of defenders of Carole and Adam.  Now, and back then when Lu was calling Carole a 'pedafile'.

Everyone who has commented so far on Chad and Tinsley seem grossed out by them. 

Just wondering where the threshold for the gross is. 

[BBHN]

Just last week people were mocking Carol defending Adam on Instagram as a mother defending her child. Which, ew.

This is Carole we are talking about. She isn't exactly the most popular person on these boards, and by extension, a lot of people take shots at her and Adam.

[Yours Truly]

16 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Not on these boards...

The issue isn't that. If Luann feels that way and that is what she is looking for, great. Except she's trying to paint what she and Tom have as the most amazing love story ever, which...ok, Former-Countess, whatever makes you feel cool and not uncool.

I think it's only cause she's under so much scrutiny.

I mean if someone tried to undermine my relationship straight out of the gate even before my honeymoon phase was over I may overstate and overcompensate. Well not me cause I don't play that shit. I'd tell motherfuckers to shut the fuck up and keep they opinions to themselves right quick but um yeah I understand why Lu has been so extra with her presentation of her relationship. Since day one she's had defend her pairing with Tom for such stupid reasons and now it's grown into a more "scandalous" ordeal. So I'm not surprised that Lu's been so adamant.