S06.E21: The Forever Knot

[Tara Ariano]

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Tyler decides to be more optimistic about Butch's recovery; Farrah questions her mom's relationship with her fiance; and Ryan's family finds out that Maci doesn't want Bentley going over to Jen and Larry's house.

[Uncle JUICE]

And Leah finally realizes Mamber's a total balloon knot, forever. 

[CofCinci]

I feel bad for Ryan's parents.  They have been really great to Maci and most likely helped her any way they could before she had TM $$$.

http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/iqsznj/teen-mom-sneak-peek-jen-larry-are-upset-with-maci-s-remarks

[GreatKazu]

Maci is a shrew on top of being a lush. She may tend to her children in a better fashion than Amber and Cate, but that doesn't nullify how she treats those who have been more than happy to support her all these years when she needed them at the drop of a hat. 

[CofCinci]

Amber is about to have a panic attack in that wedding dress.  http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/cm3apw/teen-mom-sneak-peek-amber-is-speechless-about-her-wedding-gown

[GreatKazu]

She should have had a panic attack when she bought her own engagement ring. 

[EmeraldGirl]

Mackenzie is a narc. Ryan is barely functioning. And Larry needs a drink. Unless Ryan wakes up - Maci will continue to call the shots. 

[CofCinci]

1 hour ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Mackenzie is a narc. 

She is definitely stirring the pot/kicking the hornets nest. I wonder if that is her natural splitting or if it is producer-led...

[GreatKazu]

Whatever it is, I like it.

Maci said to her friend in the last episode (or the one previous) how Ryan hasn't stepped up and therefore, he doesn't get a say-so. Pretty bold of her to make such a statement. Try telling that to an attorney or a judge, Maci. You will be eating your words. You hold all the cards only because you have been allowed to by a parent who hasn't sought a court-ordered visitation. Mackenzie is now in Ryan's corner. It will be interesting to see what the future holds.

[Brooklynista]

11 hours ago, CofCinci said:

Amber is about to have a panic attack in that wedding dress.  http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/cm3apw/teen-mom-sneak-peek-amber-is-speechless-about-her-wedding-gown

Now she's Carrie Bradshaw?

That's a lot of dress for a bride with no wedding party. 

Edited May 13, 2017 by Brooklynista

[ginger90]

Did you know they "cast" audience members for the reunion shows? Want to try??

http://onsetproductions.com/calendar/details.aspx?showID=366

[GreatKazu]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Did you know they "cast" audience members for the reunion shows? Want to try??

http://onsetproductions.com/calendar/details.aspx?showID=366

I knew. MTV wants to make sure they don't have anyone who will cause drama at these shows. As if MTV are a bunch of psychics. I bet you some people have gone there specifically to yell out at a cast member. MTV will never let the public know this, though. 

[CofCinci]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Did you know they "cast" audience members for the reunion shows? Want to try??

http://onsetproductions.com/calendar/details.aspx?showID=366

Yes, they are "cast" for the NDA. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

On 5/12/2017 at 11:36 PM, GreatKazu said:

Whatever it is, I like it.

Come sit by me, Kazu.  :)

[Chris Knight]

Why do doctors need to be finger printed ? What ?

I bet Cate doesn't wash her hands after she changes Nova. Yuck.

Amber has scoliosis  ? That poor massage girl.. Barf. 

Chickens  ?!?!

Is Kim married ? I spy a wedding ring.

And yeah sure, Kim is such an optimist herself.

Ugh Gary,  gross on the sex talk. 

[Brooklynista]

Amber is dong her best Missy Ann impression and Annette is starring as Kizzy. Amber is dragging this confused looking woman around like a pet. Who are Annette's people and why wont they come free her from this ridiculousness?

Amber really needs to question why her only friend is this middle aged woman who probably has kids Amber's age.

[WhosThatGirl]

Um... yeah I had such a hard time getting through this episode when Matt said "Amber won't leave the bed until she's done work " and then they show us Amber doing work from her bed. And then show us her talking to a producer in bed. So basically Amber does everything in bed. Who isn't surprised.  

Also I wish these people would stop acting like Dr. Panda is a doctor who can help them through their struggles.  

Im not sure how I feel about the Maci Larry Jen Ryan situation. I think some of what Maci says may be true but I also think she may be exaggerating for reasons of wanting Ryan to step up. Also maybe I'm dead of joy or something but watching Maci and Taylor try to exit the escape room and the silly music playing wasn't funny to me. It's things like that where the editors are like editing a different show. 

Farrah and Debra need to stay the hell away from each other. Farrah was okay-still Farrah of course- before the last episode and this one. Her and Debra are toxic to each other. 

[CofCinci]

Anyone get the Maci beer count?

[Primetimer]

Meanwhile, Amber's getting sick of being in a relationship with a dirty dog.

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[woodscommaelle]

When Debra was talking about whatever the fuck and David said: That's not very Christian of you....Farrah had the most genuine laugh/reaction to that.  That was the only 4 seconds I've liked of this girl.

Amber's bestie looked beautiful in her dress. Fuck you, Amber. Let your bestie have her day.  You didn't need to try on dresses, also. 

[Mischievious]

So many thoughts. 

• So Amber has another medical issue?  
• I literally spit out my Diet Coke when Matt mentioned having to drag Amber out of bed to get her away from work. My sides hurt from laughing 
• I am so confused by the dinner between Farrah and Debra with Debra's man 
• Before the dinner when they were talking to the producer -- who seemed very skeptical of what the guy was spewing -- right before they cut to the next scene, they focused on Debra. I swear she had a conniving look on her face. 
• Leah was adorable when she told Gary "NOT on the cameras." She is wise. Also, why are they talking about sex at the age of 8 or so? (Not sure of Leah's age) 
• I am a horrible person but am kind of enjoying seeing this not great side of Amber and Matt's relationship. In fact, when she was trying to shut him down from being upset about her business guy calling (RED FLAG!!! Controlling!) she spoke about moving on and up each year so they can live a great life. I can't remember what word she used instead of great but as she said it, she almost had a smirk. For a split second I let myself think "OH! Maybe they were done with the relationship but were putting on a ruse for the cameras until it all airred." 
• You guys! Catelynn wasn't sitting down for a few minutes. And went outside. Yay for chickens! 

[CofCinci]

I think it's great that they're discussing sex education with the children. The children of TM are likely to become teen parents. It's an endless cycle. Education is key. 

[leighroda]

2 hours ago, ChicagoChris said:

Why do doctors need to be finger printed ? What ?

I bet Cate doesn't wash her hands after she changes Nova. Yuck.

Amber has scoliosis  ? That poor massage girl.. Barf. 

Chickens  ?!?!

Is Kim married ? I spy a wedding ring.

And yeah sure, Kim is such an optimist herself.

Ugh Gary,  gross on the sex talk. 

I'm a nurse and I have to do fingerprints every couple of years, it's part of the background check to renew my license.

[woodscommaelle]

What kind of doctor is he?

[VioletNevermind]

22 minutes ago, woodscommaelle said:

What kind of doctor is he?

He's an infectious disease doctor.

ETA: I just looked up his reviews.  They're horrible, going back several years. 

Edited May 16, 2017 by SuzyLee

[Christina]

uggg!!! I'm back to not being able to like posts! It's maddening!!!!

I read somewhere that MTV pays it's audience members because they moved the filming out of town and no one wanted to make the trek. I'm not sure it said how much, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be worth the money to sit there for hours while the cast members are backstage pouting and whining and refusing to come out and do their jobs. Heck, that is the part of the reason disclosed for them bring Briana in on TM2; the cast members not wanting to discuss things on air, like Kail.

[guilfoyleatpp]

3 hours ago, ChicagoChris said:

Amber has scoliosis  ? That poor massage girl.. Barf. 

HAHAHA! Mr. Guilfoyle said the same thing about the massage girl. "Can you imagine the kind of girls she's got to rub up on? Hitting those weird patches of hair?"

Maci is a damn idiot if she thought for one minute that Mackenzie was going to keep her shit talking to herself. 

Bentley and Jayde are so damn cute together, though.

[GreatKazu]

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Maci is a damn idiot if she thought for one minute that Mackenzie was going to keep her shit talking to herself. 

Maci loves to talk shit about people on camera because she doesn't have the balls to say it to anyone's face.

What a ho-hum episode. Maci and Taylor playing that exit game was hella boring. It is like the Z-list version of a Beverly Hills Housewife episode except instead of high-end adventures, we get Maci the lush and Taylor playing a game.

The scene with Amber at the dress shop occurred in January. That is the time when she had that hair color.

Dr. Drew making an appearance and MTV then ends the scene by throwing in their PSA right before the commercial about addiction. Whatever MTV.

Edited May 16, 2017 by GreatKazu

[LotusFlower]

What did Larry mean when he said he couldn't make decisions for Ryan, but he can for Bentley?  Um, no you can't....unless I'm missing what he's talking about.  And I'm sorry, but there's seriously something wrong with Ryan - the way he's holding and studying his phone in that scene - it looks like he's mentally challenged.  

[druzy]

I think Butch thought Dr. Drew was going to send him on an all expense paid stay at Passages Malibu. Tyler encouraged him to call Dr. Drew- Tyler said (I'm paraphrasing) "take advantage of it". They are so entitled. Butch looked surprised when Dr. Drew told him to keep doing the steps.

[Blissfool]

Catelynn has the same couch pillows that Maci has. Maci, Kail, and Catelynn have the same gray and yellow color scheme going on. Copycats.

[GreatKazu]

Catelynn to Nova: "What noise does mama make?"

Nova: "oink"

Okay, she didn't say that, but I hoped. It would have been more appropriate for Nova to make a snoring sound.

8 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

What did Larry mean when he said he couldn't make decisions for Ryan, but he can for Bentley?  Um, no you can't....unless I'm missing what he's talking about.  And I'm sorry, but there's seriously something wrong with Ryan - the way he's holding and studying his phone in that scene - it looks like he's mentally challenged.  

My thought was he meant he can speak for Ryan on his behalf with regards to Bentley.

Edited May 16, 2017 by GreatKazu

[LotusFlower]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

My thought was he meant he can speak for Ryan on his behalf with regards to Bentley.

Oh, ok.  But he really can't.  Not legally, at least.  And it seems like Maci is drawing more of a line between parents and grandparents as Bentley gets older.  I don't see where Larry thinks he has any say in the matter.  

Edited May 16, 2017 by LotusFlower

[jumper sage]

2 hours ago, CofCinci said:

I think it's great that they're discussing sex education with the children. The children of TM are likely to become teen parents. It's an endless cycle. Education is key. 

I agree.  In our circle, parents talk to kids very early and keep talking until the kids cover their ears and yell, "I can't hear you".  Bowls of condoms are in the bathroom, boys and girls are encouraged to get birth control with no questions from the parents.  I must say, it has deterred our kids of sex until 18.

56 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

What did Larry mean when he said he couldn't make decisions for Ryan, but he can for Bentley?  Um, no you can't....unless I'm missing what he's talking about.  And I'm sorry, but there's seriously something wrong with Ryan - the way he's holding and studying his phone in that scene - it looks like he's mentally challenged.  

Because his parents did everything for him.  I like Ryan and I hope he is growing up and will take on Maci.  I have noticed he is going gray.  I think Maci is afraid HE WILL WANT 50/50 CUSTODY AND IT FREAKS HER OUT.  That's why she is getting all crazy now.

[LotusFlower]

21 minutes ago, jumper sage said:

I like Ryan and I hope he is growing up and will take on Maci.  I have noticed he is going gray.  I think Maci is afraid HE WILL WANT 50/50 CUSTODY AND IT FREAKS HER OUT.  That's why she is getting all crazy now.

50/50 custody?  This is a guy who said his best case scenario was getting Bentley one more day, and alternating weekends.  That's it!  And that was only because Mackenzie asked him.  With the cameras rolling.  And btw, what's stopping him?  He's the father and has legal rights re: custody.

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, LotusFlower said:

Oh, ok.  But he really can't.  Not legally, at least.  And it seems like Maci is drawing more of a line between agents and grandparents as Bentley gets older.  I don't see where Larry thinks he has any say in the matter.  

I think it is more about Larry pursuing more time with Bentley via Ryan. Ryan relies on his parents to do his talking and requesting time with Bentley. With Maci wanting Ryan to contact her re Bentley, Larry will just ask Ryan to ask for visitation time with Bentley.

[LotusFlower]

4 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

I think it is more about Larry pursuing more time with Bentley via Ryan. Ryan relies on his parents to do his talking and requesting time with Bentley. With Maci wanting Ryan to contact her re Bentley, Larry will just ask Ryan to ask for visitation time with Bentley.

Right, but we've seen how this plays out: Ryan does nothing, even with his parents pushing him to do more and ask for more.  This is a losing battle for Larry.

[Racj82]

Man, fuck this show. I honestly stopped the show and deleted it after the umpteenth berating by Farrah. I dont have time for this anymore. Its a waste of every ones times. I love seeing the kids grow up but that's it. I can't with this show anymore. Life is too short. I finally reached the breaking point.

[Teddybear]

When Amber said "Excuse. You"  to Matt I thought she was going to get up and start beating the shit out of him, a la Gary years ago.   

Best line:  "She's fat and lazy and can't move."  "That's not very Christian."  

[mamadrama]

My 10 year old son walking into the dinner scene with David: "who's the drunk Santa?"

 The look on the producer's face while he was talking was like, uh, better keep the cameras rolling at all times-for evidence and shit.

Edited May 16, 2017 by mamadrama

[bethster2000]

5 hours ago, Mischievious said:

Also, why are they talking about sex at the age of 8 or so? (Not sure of Leah's age) 

She lives in Indiana and is the child of a teen mother.  I'm from Indiana.  Trust me, girls blossom *early* 'round those parts.

[SuzWhat]

7 hours ago, WhosThatGirl said:

Um... yeah I had such a hard time getting through this episode when Matt said "Amber won't leave the bed until she's done work " and then they show us Amber doing work from her bed. And then show us her talking to a producer in bed. So basically Amber does everything in bed. Who isn't surprised.  

That statement is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard that chucklefuck say and he's said a lot of ridiculous things.  Why would she not work in the toy shrine / office they were in last episode?  Gawd. These two.   

That "friend" with Amber looked like she would PAY to be anywhere else.  

Edited May 16, 2017 by SuzWhat

[CofCinci]

Instead of #freestarburst, it should be #freeannette. 

[SuzWhat]

Ugh.  Rhine and Mack driving without seat belts.  

[bounnatalie]

Amber needs to listen to everything she is saying that is warning her against marrying Matt. 

Creepy Doctor needs to 'get Farrah onboard' to make sure the cameras are around.

Why was Ryan so fixated on that phone during the conversation. What was he doing with it?

[snarts]

Larry's temper is frightening. Wasn't it just last year he refused to speak to him son and damn near forbid Jenn from talking to him as well? Take note, Mackenzie.  

Debra's man is creepy as fuck...almost as creepy as Matt. Loved when Amber asked the producer why Matt was so eager to married.  Hmmm, your $$$ maybe????

Four proposals?  Really?

[pakalolo]

3 hours ago, bethster2000 said:

She lives in Indiana and is the child of a teen mother.  I'm from Indiana.  Trust me, girls blossom *early* 'round those parts.

Yeah, my cousin grew up in the same town as Leah and her mom put her on birth control at 12 years old.

[ghoulina]

Butch relapsed AGAIN? Sigh. As much as of fame-seeking douche-canoe as Tyler is, I can't help but feel a bit bad for this dude. Being the loved one of an addict is not easy. You're kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't. He wants to offer his helps and support, but his dad is in his 50s. How likely is it for him to be able to change at this point? I don't know what Butch even wants to change. He talks about treatment and calling Dr. Drew, but once his little segment is filmed, he doesn't seem to truly pursue a program of any sorts. I can tell you one thing, he needs to stop coming home to that empty house every night. I know all addicts are different and I'm certainly no expert, but I'm of the belief that a large part of addiction is absence of connection. Loneliness. Sigh....at this point, I just don't know what you do. 

Cate has chickens now? Don't get too attached. They'll be featured in a giant quesadilla next week. 

 

Well, I knew Mack would go back and tell Ryan's parents what Maci said. I still think Maci has very valid concerns. I believe she truly values Bentley's grandparents, but she's stuck in an awkward place right now, and I don't see her position as one of vindictiveness or being a "controlling bitch". BUT.....she really shouldn't have A. Talked about these issues to the new girlfriend. She was talking to Mack like they were both Ryan's exes! and B. She shouldn't have had the discussion on camera. 

I can honestly see both sides. And aside from Ryan, I think everyone involved truly does have good intentions. I like Jenn and Larry, but they are not without flaws. We've seen the dysfunction with their own son. And Maci isn't perfect, but she is the mom here and it can't be easy to walk the line between her ex and his parents. Again, I think everyone is mostly good intentioned, but there is a real lack of communication and understanding going on. At the end of the day, Ryan just really needs to actually GO to court. Get a set visitation schedule, including holidays. And HE needs to adhere to it, not pawn it off on his parents. 

Ryan has been largely absent Bentley's entire life. It's only now that he's getting married that he wants to step back in and be involved, largely at Mackenzie's urging, I'd wager. But I don't know what the wants to be AS involved as his parents were. So they're having to scale back a bit, and it's just awkward for everyone. This family could use some mediation. 

On a positive note - Bentley and Jayde are so cute together! 

 

Ugh, Amber and her "business". She is so full of crap. Anything that gives her an excuse to sit in bed all day. Don't you have an office? Why don't you move your computer in there? She's on the phone until 4 am??? With who, exactly??? A Nigerian football team? And even if her "businesses" are a crock of shit, why does Matt need to stand there and monitor who she's talking to on the phone? He is the definition of controlling. 

The wedding dress scenes - first Amber made me mad. Wasn't this supposed to be Annette's big day? Way to turn it around and make it about you. But then....I almost ALMOST felt bad for Amber. Bad reenactment of Carrie Bradshaw aside, this girl is  NOT happy. She does NOT want to marry Matt. I don't even think she wants to be with him. I think she feels trapped. She defended him for so long, she feels if she can just stick it out she can prove everyone wrong. But she's losing herself. 

That scene was just so telling. The producer said, "Matt's not going anywhere" - Amber's face said, "Unfortunately." She said she deserved a beautiful wedding, BUT she also deserves beautiful life, and a beautiful man. Implying that she has neither. She flat out said he caused her depression. Girl, LEAVE. You do not want this! 

Look, Amber is flawed as fuck, and the kind of person she is is WHY Matt was able to lock her down in the first place. Way before Matt she was a shitty person. So I have a really hard time feeling sorry for her. But I was on the edge last night. She is chasing after all these "checklist" items of what makes you a successful person. But she is empty inside. 

And Gary - way to bring up sex ed on camera! I love Gary. He's a good dad and kudos to him for not leaving it entirely up to the school. But, time and place, buddy. Also, maybe not reference you and Amber having sex in front of, not only, your children, but your current sex partner? Ew. 

 

So Dr. David meeting Sophia was super uncomfortable. Why does that dude always look like he's wearing a tux? I swear I saw a cummberbund at one point! And I know Sophia is a mega bratty child, but he sat there throwing all kinds of death stares at her during dinner. It was actually quite creepy to watch. 

Then Farrah starts talking crap about her nanny in front of the child, thereby insuring Sophia won't respect or listen to said nanny. And Deb is just thrilled to see Farrah mad at ANYONE but her, so she jumps right in and starts kissing ass like it's nobody's business. 

Ugh, it's getting to the point where Farrah's scenes are actually stressing me out. She is just SO combative. Everything said provokes an argument. This isn't even guilty pleasure level drama anymore. It's exhausting!

[Uncle JUICE]

Even I banged a girl in Anderson, IN, no joke. And I live in NJ! :)

[Booger666]

10 hours ago, CofCinci said:

Anyone get the Maci beer count?

No, but I'm pretty sure she said she needed 14 after doing a "fun" activity with her husband. 

Edited May 16, 2017 by Booger666
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