S09.E03: A New Low

[chewycandy]

6 minutes ago, mbaywife123 said:

I think what it boils down to is that Lu doesn't like Beth nor does she really care what Beth says about her, she puts a period at the end of the sentence and moves on and it bugs the crap out of Beth.

She also thinks Luann is a big dumb drag queen snake liar hypocrite--she brought up her etiquette book again tonight.

[Straycat80]

I wish they wouldn't show anyone getting cupping done. That was painful to watch. 

I guess I've watched this show , and other HW's, for so long I'm becoming immuned to all their stupid fights. I just laugh my ass off at everything they say, serious or snarky.

I haven't seen John on here yet. Thank God! I wonder if he's going to be a no show after all he went thru last season with these crazies. 

[mbaywife123]

15 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

I wish they wouldn't show anyone getting cupping done. That was painful to watch. 

I guess I've watched this show , and other HW's, for so long I'm becoming immuned to all their stupid fights. I just laugh my ass off at everything they say, serious or snarky.

I haven't seen John on here yet. Thank God! I wonder if he's going to be a no show after all he went thru last season with these crazies. 

John probably figured out he is better off sniffing toxic dry cleaning fumes every day than being filmed for this show.

Edited April 20, 2017 by mbaywife123
E or A changes the meaning of the word

[charming]

What did Sonja say about Dorinda and John? She's already publicly accused her of drug abuse. What else is left? Dorinda won't even drink a martini because she's preparing for battle! Are they being accused of murder or something?

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

BF is a BI. She can sure dish it out,  but she can't take it. 

Victoria being served rosé in Sag harbor. Last second editing ? 

[ninjago]

47 minutes ago, Neeners said:

I really don't understand why Bethenny goes so hard after Lu. She has one or more shady comment per episode. And seeing her twitter feed tonight, she's going at her still. I just don't get it. What has Lu done to her that is so horrible? I honestly don't know, but I haven't followed the gossip or twitter stuff off season. Can some kind soul please bring me up to speed?

Sonja and Ramona are jealous of Lu getting married, but Bethenny is jealous that Luann finds a way to be happy no matter what and Bethenny is never happy.  How can Luann be happy when her husband is running around on her, when she is divorcing, when she sees a picture of her fiancee with another woman, when I just called her a slut?  It drives Bethenny, who wasn't happy even when she had the husband, kid, and business success she'd always dreamed of, insane that Luann doesn't let stuff get to her, or at least won't let on that it is getting to her.

[breezy424]

I'm not a Ro fan and her delivery sucked but she rattled Beth.  She explained it better the next day at lunch.  The truth is Beth is naive concerning her daughter and what she might hear.  Yeah, she's six but Beth doesn't have a clue about what her daughter may hear from classmates and friends.  Ro may have alternative reasons to go there but the truth is that your kid is not in some protective bubble at pretty much any age.  She knows that because she has a daughter (or child).  So does Lu and Dorinda.  Beth may be 'proud' of her semi porn movie roles but it's quite a different story when it comes to explaining it to her daughter.  Add to that, how is her daughter going to feel when she finds out all the things that Beth has publicly stated about this little girl's father. 

Yeah Beth, you're not going to stay because someone called you a  witch and wicked (?)?  But it's cool when you make horrible statements about someone else.  Too many examples to state but let's start with your comment about Lu and the owner of the restaurant....  Beth is one unhappy person.  Everything she goes through is 'hell'.  Poor Beth.  Was it Dorinda who said that there are chinks in the armor?  Yep.

Speaking of Dorinda....  Girl is stealth with the she has a guy who tells her everything about what Sonja is saying.  I get it.  Dorinda isn't a dummy...well except with John.  I think he's a mostly nice guy but she could do a lot better if you know what I mean.

Sonja is in Sonja world.  Yeah, I think Dorinda was wrong not to invite her last season but Sonja continues to come off just sad.

Loved Lu on the boat with Dorinda and Victoria.  That was 'real' and fun.  Lu knows how to be happy.  I think Dorinda does too.  Beth pretends to be happy but she's not.

[Eliz]

1 hour ago, cincivic said:

Bethenny can dish it out but she can't take it. I didn't see anything wrong with LuAnn telling Ramona that maybe Bethenny didn't like the movie brought up or whatever it was. LuAnn was actually being nice towards Bethenny. Bethenny didn't need to jump down Lu's throat. JMO

I don't think LuAnn was being nice at all. She wasn't, like, gently pointing out to Ramona what Bethenny's point of view might be; she was taking the opportunity to join in and say, "oh, I don't think she likes her porno past being talked about." It was a chance to mention the "porno past" again, and get in her own dig once she saw that Ramona had succeeded in needling Bethenny.

I think Bethenny described it perfectly in her talking head -- Ramona felt she had something on Bethenny, and she literally could not wait a second to try to embarrass B with it, and trying to do that by wrapping it up in a question about Bryn was pretty gross. Doing it that way (which I don't think for a second was Ramona's own idea) set Ramona up to be able to frame it in the aftermath as "just asking a question about her life." I think that Bethenny recognized Ramona's game instantly for what it was, and she was furious about that, not actually embarrassed by the subject of the movie -- which she clearly had already strategized how she was going to talk about it on the show.

[Jamie Satyr]

2 hours ago, Neurochick said:

Well, Bethenny was there too; in fact, Bethenny's on this show, even though she seems to hate all of the women.  Maybe she needs the money, since I did see Skinnygirl stuff on sale for $1.

Sold for millions; catch up! ;-(

2 minutes ago, Eliz said:

I don't think LuAnn was being nice at all. She wasn't, like, gently pointing out to Ramona what Bethenny's point of view might be; she was taking the opportunity to join in and say, "oh, I don't think she likes her porno past being talked about." It was a chance to mention the "porno past" again, and get in her own dig once she saw that Ramona had succeeded in needling Bethenny.

I think Bethenny described it perfectly in her talking head -- Ramona felt she had something on Bethenny, and she literally could not wait a second to try to embarrass B with it, and trying to do that by wrapping it up in a question about Bryn was pretty gross. Doing it that way (which I don't think for a second was Ramona's own idea) set Ramona up to be able to frame it in the aftermath as "just asking a question about her life." I think that Bethenny recognized Ramona's game instantly for what it was, and she was furious about that, not actually embarrassed by the subject of the movie -- which she clearly had already strategized how she was going to talk about it on the show.

But why? They were having a nice dinner! Where did all that come from? What did she do? LuAnn chiming in is typical of a vengeful b!tch who's so insecure she has to drag everyone down to her pathetic level! Bethenny should have asked how she felt about her OPEN marriage to the cheating COUNT since she likes to hit below the belt from past dramas! ;-)

2 hours ago, mbaywife123 said:

It's called being contractually obligated.

That had nothing to do with contractual obligations! That was an all out attack out of nowhere! ;-(

[annewithaneee]

I really hope Carole's talking heads are going to move locations at some point. Those stairs make my stomach clench just to look at! I mean, from a decor perspective I guess they're interesting and modern and shit, but they're so unsafe-seeming! Those kittens and little dog could fall so easily, and these ladies are too big of lushes to have such a clear hazard in their homes.

The Bethenny-Ramona fight was not a fun one. Ramona just pulled that out of her ass to be as provocative as possible and it wasn't organic, and since Bethenny kept her cool they had to repeatedly insist that she could 'dish it out but not take it'. She did take it! She listened to that bullshit for several minutes longer than I would have, had some moments of self-deprecation. Ramona didn't even really have a point so it's not like there was much for Bethenny to agree or disagree with. 

Dorinda was irritating me in her confessionals. At one moment, she's being snide about how artless and rude Ramona was with bringing up the soft core vid. Then, Bethenny's being unreasonable and showing her 'cracks'. She just wants to be the one narrating on-screen with a shit-eating grin and pithy commentary, she doesn't actually have a consistent POV on the situation.

[zoeysmom]

27 minutes ago, Eliz said:

I don't think LuAnn was being nice at all. She wasn't, like, gently pointing out to Ramona what Bethenny's point of view might be; she was taking the opportunity to join in and say, "oh, I don't think she likes her porno past being talked about." It was a chance to mention the "porno past" again, and get in her own dig once she saw that Ramona had succeeded in needling Bethenny.

I think Bethenny described it perfectly in her talking head -- Ramona felt she had something on Bethenny, and she literally could not wait a second to try to embarrass B with it, and trying to do that by wrapping it up in a question about Bryn was pretty gross. Doing it that way (which I don't think for a second was Ramona's own idea) set Ramona up to be able to frame it in the aftermath as "just asking a question about her life." I think that Bethenny recognized Ramona's game instantly for what it was, and she was furious about that, not actually embarrassed by the subject of the movie -- which she clearly had already strategized how she was going to talk about it on the show.

I think nice is subjective.  Ramona dropped a bomb, Luann was not being rude.  Bethenny keeps insulting Luann for no particular reason.  Jabs about her book.  There was nothing wrong with Luann letting Ramona know that Bethenny might be embarrassed by Ramona bringing up her film past.  Bethenny needs to let go of Luann's book.  Manners are not part of Bethenny's world. 

Sometimes sarcasm doesn't work-just call Ramona out for being ridiculous.  If Bethenny doesn't care what Luann thinks of her-why does she try so hard to put her down?

[NeverLate]

One thing is very true .BF can dish it out,but she darn well can't take it! I like Lu and I like Dorinda.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, breezy424 said:

I'm not a Ro fan and her delivery sucked but she rattled Beth.  She explained it better the next day at lunch.  The truth is Beth is naive concerning her daughter and what she might hear.  Yeah, she's six but Beth doesn't have a clue about what her daughter may hear from classmates and friends.  Ro may have alternative reasons to go there but the truth is that your kid is not in some protective bubble at pretty much any age.  She knows that because she has a daughter (or child).  So does Lu and Dorinda.  Beth may be 'proud' of her semi porn movie roles but it's quite a different story when it comes to explaining it to her daughter.  Add to that, how is her daughter going to feel when she finds out all the things that Beth has publicly stated about this little girl's father. 

Yeah Beth, you're not going to stay because someone called you a  witch and wicked (?)?  But it's cool when you make horrible statements about someone else.  Too many examples to state but let's start with your comment about Lu and the owner of the restaurant....  Beth is one unhappy person.  Everything she goes through is 'hell'.  Poor Beth.  Was it Dorinda who said that there are chinks in the armor?  Yep.

Speaking of Dorinda....  Girl is stealth with the she has a guy who tells her everything about what Sonja is saying.  I get it.  Dorinda isn't a dummy...well except with John.  I think he's a mostly nice guy but she could do a lot better if you know what I mean.

Sonja is in Sonja world.  Yeah, I think Dorinda was wrong not to invite her last season but Sonja continues to come off just sad.

Loved Lu on the boat with Dorinda and Victoria.  That was 'real' and fun.  Lu knows how to be happy.  I think Dorinda does too.  Beth pretends to be happy but she's not.

In Bethenny's mind she can do no wrong and she would rather put Jason in the hot seat with help from Carole.

55 minutes ago, Eliz said:

I don't think LuAnn was being nice at all. She wasn't, like, gently pointing out to Ramona what Bethenny's point of view might be; she was taking the opportunity to join in and say, "oh, I don't think she likes her porno past being talked about." It was a chance to mention the "porno past" again, and get in her own dig once she saw that Ramona had succeeded in needling Bethenny.

I think Bethenny described it perfectly in her talking head -- Ramona felt she had something on Bethenny, and she literally could not wait a second to try to embarrass B with it, and trying to do that by wrapping it up in a question about Bryn was pretty gross. Doing it that way (which I don't think for a second was Ramona's own idea) set Ramona up to be able to frame it in the aftermath as "just asking a question about her life." I think that Bethenny recognized Ramona's game instantly for what it was, and she was furious about that, not actually embarrassed by the subject of the movie -- which she clearly had already strategized how she was going to talk about it on the show.

She recognized it because she does it herself! Ramona is learning this from the Master of strategy..........Bethenny! LOL

53 minutes ago, Jamie Satyr said:

Sold for millions; catch up! ;-(

 

Bethenny still loves the money but she craves "fame" as much as a junky does their next a fix! LOL

[Jamie Satyr]

12 minutes ago, Fanny Mare said:

One thing is very true .BF can dish it out,but she darn well can't take it! I like Lu and I like Dorinda.

I think anyone who thinks Bethenny can't handle these b!tches are loonier than Ramona! If she felt like "reading" those 2 HO's attacking her past and child she could have left them for dead and anyone with a brain knows that! I was just about as disgusted as Bethenny invoking her child with that trash! No apology would be enough and I'd tell them off before I left! Luann can go straight to HELL since she was just being vindictive over the Berkshire drama last season which proves she holds grudges! Bethenny also exposed TOM and The Countless isn't about to let that go; she's too pathetic for words! She has a lot of nerve talking about Bethenny only wanted to talk about herself and not even ask her about the wedding! No one cares but Lu about that wedding! I'm sure even Tom had 2nd thoughts! ;-)

Edited April 20, 2017 by Jamie Satyr

[biakbiak]

Lu looked gorgeous at the dinner, not so much in her talking heads but at dinner she was lovely.

[zoeysmom]

6 hours ago, Jamie Satyr said:

I think anyone who thinks Bethenny can't handle these b!tches are loonier than Ramona! If she felt like "reading" those 2 HO's attacking her past and child she could have left them for dead and anyone with a brain knows that! I was just about as disgusted as Bethenny invoking her child with that trash! No apology would be enough and I'd tell them off before I left! Luann can go straight to HELL since she was just being vindictive over the Berkshire drama last season which proves she holds grudges! Bethenny also expose TOM and The Countless isn't about to let that go; she's too pathetic for words! She has a lot of nerve talking about Bethenny only wanted to talk about herself and not even ask her about the wedding! No one cares but Lu about that wedding! I'm sure even Tom had 2nd thoughts! ;-)

No sane person in their right mind would ever truly move past the Berkshires or Bethenny deciding to inform Luann on camera of Tom's make out session.  Bethenny has been holding on to Luann writing an etiquette book for eight years.  Time to move on.  The etiquette book did not have any effect on Bethenny's life whatsoever. 

I think it is polite when someone has something as big as a wedding to ask.  Especially after Bethenny tried to destroy it and went after the couple.

Edited April 20, 2017 by zoeysmom

[queenjen]

Wow, Lu and Dorinda are far and away the happiest and most contented looking of the hos in this bunch and hoo baby, the others love to hate it. I'm not particularly a Lu fan, but she was GLOWING in this episode. Beth is looking yellow and scraggy, I hope the acupuncturist told her she had an excess of bile, because she personifies an excess of bile. Ramona's shifting face is worrisome. She looked like she was having a nose bleed at the dinner where she barfed up the cold tea on Bethy's 'porn' flick: that news is 5 years old at least and the film itself was made in the 90s I think? And fyi B, your boobs didn't look all that in it. 

So tired of seeing an excess of Louis V luggage hauled everywhere and Sonja always with something curious and wacky. In this episode it was a hatbox. Also, last episode, Ramona disinvited Sonja because she'd invited Dorinda? So why is Dorinda now staying with Lu and Sonja and Tinsley are staying in a production rental (allegedly 'Sonja's friend') that wasn't available the first night? It surely would have been a good opportunity for Ramona to have Sonja and Tinsley at her monument to the money she made before marriage to Mario, no? And surely would have ensured more film time for Ramona, Sonja and Tinsley. I guess some of this was answered when we saw in this episode how dearly Ramona hankers to be team Lu, at the expense of burning bridges with Bethenny. Dorinda discovers Sonja's Facebook Group posts and Ramona would have been in a difficult situation if Sonja was, in fact, staying with her. Maybe Dorinda slighted her by going to stay at Lu's place? Last year, Dorinda was all about pleasing Bethenny. And if this meant disinviting Sonja from her making it nice Christmas party at the Berkshires, so be it. Sonja is railing against her position as bottom of the pack still. I reckon she'll get very possessive about Tinsley, despite reassuring her that she isn't 'that sort of person'. And we see Tinsley showing up alone for a lunch with Lu and Dorinda next week.

I haven't mentioned Carole.

Beth evidently refused to film with the women after Ramona insulted her. So next episode, her minion gets sent in and we see Beth watching the drama vicariously from a car as Dorinda disembowels Sonja.

[Jamie Satyr]

20 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Well at least with Lu the attitude hasn't caught up to her face like it has with Ramona, Carole, and Bethanny.

I'm no fan of any of these women, but I have no idea wtf you're talking about! I think for their age they look great; esp. Bethenny who had some work! Carole's just naturally thin so she'll hold up well while Ramona will continue throwing good money down the drain since her persona is the part that needs work! ;-(

[queenjen]

3 hours ago, crgirl412 said:

I'm getting so tired of 99% of any gathering of any franchise becoming an argument.  It's just getting tired.

We've just sat through another WHOLE season of BH being about getting an apology. AGAIN. I want 'I think she owes me an apology' left until the 3 - 4 part reunions. Arguments, I can handle, as long as they're not about who deserves an apology. Keep it moving. Where does the cast vacation this time? Is it Asia?

[Jamie Satyr]

3 minutes ago, queenjen said:

We've just sat through another WHOLE season of BH being about getting an apology. AGAIN. I want 'I think she owes me an apology' left until the 3 - 4 part reunions. Arguments, I can handle, as long as they're not about who deserves an apology. Keep it moving. Where does the cast vacation this time? Is it Asia?

I know I'm done; none of the women are remotely likeable! I just want to see Rinna get her just desserts in the reunion and I should be done with this stupid show! These b!tches have to all, but all they do is kvetch; and that gets old like you said! ;-(

[ScoobieDoobs]

I can't believe Bethenny brought up Moaner's comments on the bridge.  That was what?  800 years ago?  These broads never forget anything & never forgive & they dredge up the same shit over & over & over & over.  I'd like to say I enjoy it & it gives me a giggle.  But at this point, not so much anymore.

Look, Bethenny is not a physically repulsive woman.  I've seen her in person more than a few times so I can verify she isn't.  But all this bitter shit coming outta her trap?  She looks hideous to me.  I can say the same for Moaner.  Sigh, it's so predictable Moaner's gonna say rude, insensitive, thoughtless shit cuz she's Moaner & that's who she is & what she always does, so I'm at a point now where I'm sorta tuning out what she says.  I zone out trying figure what surgery she's done to her face.  Now her eyes are seriously slanted up.  Oy.

Interesting to see follower Carole still defending Bethenny.  She's reminding me of Spicey defending Trump.  Except Carole defending Bethenny gave me a slight giggle instead of scaring me.  But who could miss the way Bethenny ran out so quickly, without thinking for a second, that she rudely left behind her only defender on the show?  Just how long will Carole go on defending her?  I'm eagerly waiting for Bethenny to tear into Carole & throw her away as she does everyone else.  

Man, I so would have loved to see Moaner chase after Bethenny with more insults -- kinda like the way Heather chased after Moaner when she started on the show.  Bethenny mentioned the bridge beatdown -- I wanted Moaner to give Bethenny another verbal beating that really was worse than the bridge beatdown.  No, Bethenny, this wasn't.  But the uniqiue thing about the bridge beatdown was the bridge itself.  There was no escape.  If Moaner was gonna corner Bethenny with some shit to knock the fuck outta her (and hey, I'm all for that), then she's gotta do it somewhere Bethenny can't run away from her so easily.

Finally, finally, finally, they're beating the shit outta Bethenny.  Nice to see.  Me likey!  I want more & more & more & more  . . .

Edited April 20, 2017 by ScoobieDoobs

[zoeysmom]

4 minutes ago, queenjen said:

We've just sat through another WHOLE season of BH being about getting an apology. AGAIN. I want 'I think she owes me an apology' left until the 3 - 4 part reunions. Arguments, I can handle, as long as they're not about who deserves an apology. Keep it moving. Where does the cast vacation this time? Is it Asia?

Mexico where the RHOBH went for Mauricio's office opening.

[queenjen]

2 hours ago, mbaywife123 said:

I think what it boils down to is that Lu doesn't like Beth nor does she really care what Beth says about her, she puts a period at the end of the sentence and moves on and it bugs the crap out of Beth.

one of my favourite all time clips is from last season, when Bethenny invites Lu to lunch, to tell her she's not invited to an event she's holding (? I think i got this right), Lu just breezes in, overtalks Bethenny the entire time, invites herself anyway and gets up and leaves. The only person who can leave Bethenny speechless. THAT is giving zero fks. And Bethenny hates it.

Their acrimony has continued since the first season Bethenny was on the show, when Lu was living large as the Countess and corrected Bethenny for introducing her to her driver as Luanne instead of 'Mrs De LaSepps' or 'Countess'. Bethenny called Lu a snake back then and she reanimated that insult at the Berkshires last season. It really burns B's biscuits that she has her own money, and a lot of it, but she continues miserable while Lu was virtually homeless last year, divorced, back on this show only in a 'paid by the scene' capacity, and has now bounced back into a marriage she is not letting anyone (including the philandering groom, or Bethenny) derail. You go, Lu. You stay in your happy place! And i'm not even a Lu fan.

[diadochokinesis]

3 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Actually, Ramona and Bethenny are more alike than some think! Ramona was a very successful business owner before she joined the show, she made more money than Mario did. It may not have been on the same scale as Bethenny's liquor sales to JB but ii was still successful. AND both of these women are socialy awkward (I am trying to be kind here) to say the least. LOL

 

I think Bethenny is more self-aware than Ramona though.  Bethenny knows how she comes off.  She just doesn't care!  Ramona honestly doesn't see how she is being rude. 

[zoeysmom]

1 minute ago, queenjen said:

one of my favourite all time clips is from last season, when Bethenny invites Lu to lunch, to tell her she's not invited to an event she's holding (? I think i got this right), Lu just breezes in, overtalks Bethenny the entire time, invites herself anyway and gets up and leaves. The only person who can leave Bethenny speechless. THAT is giving zero fks. And Bethenny hates it.

Their acrimony has continued since the first season Bethenny was on the show, when Lu was living large as the Countess and corrected Bethenny for introducing her to her driver as Luanne instead of 'Mrs De LaSepps' or 'Countess'. Bethenny called Lu a snake back then and she reanimated that insult at the Berkshires last season. It really burns B's biscuits that she has her own money, and a lot of it, but she continues miserable while Lu was virtually homeless last year, divorced, back on this show only in a 'paid by the scene' capacity, and has now bounced back into a marriage she is not letting anyone (including the philandering groom, or Bethenny) derail. You go, Lu. You stay in your happy place! And i'm not even a Lu fan.

Luann was never homeless or broke and she made more money per diem.  She sold her home for $8 million dollars and bought another for under $3 million.

[WireWrap]

4 minutes ago, diadochokinesis said:

I think Bethenny is more self-aware than Ramona though.  Bethenny knows how she comes off.  She just doesn't care!  Ramona honestly doesn't see how she is being rude. 

Nahhh, Ramona knows who/what she is but is convinced that she is always right. Just like Bethenny does! LOL

[Jamie Satyr]

1 minute ago, zoeysmom said:

Luann was never homeless or broke and she made more money per diem.  She sold her home for $8 million dollars and bought another for under $3 million.

I think she was in trouble and just hiding her "straights!" She was looking at those apartments last season and she blew them all off! She just stayed at Sonja's until she moved in with TOM! I don't think she could have afforded that heavy rent that was being asked for; believe it! ;-(

[queenjen]

1 hour ago, Eliz said:

 Doing it that way (which I don't think for a second was Ramona's own idea) set Ramona up to be able to frame it in the aftermath as "just asking a question about her life." I think that Bethenny recognized Ramona's game instantly for what it was, and she was furious about that, not actually embarrassed by the subject of the movie -- which she clearly had already strategized how she was going to talk about it on the show.

Ramona did the exact same thing last year when she blurted to Dorinda about John's alleged comments. Dorinda's reaction was perfect. She unleashed on Ramona, told her immediately that friends tell friends things like this in private. Ramona cannot help herself. She's so clunky when she gets herself a tidbit, her MO is to wrap it in faux concern. In this case, concern for Brynn. This is even more infuriating to Bethenny than the actual content (that B was involved in some embarrassing movie stuff decades ago). Dorinda handled it a lot better than B. Ramona just can't be schooled, though. She's permanently stuck in high school, getting hickies and choosing sexy brassieres to wear while getting them. I choked when she started speaking with vocal fry about how Avery's friends don't see her as a Mom? And what an awesome time they all had together? While her face moves and reshapes itself like continental plates in fast motion. Poor Avery and her friends who will always remain nameless to Ramona, because she 'meets so many people!'

5 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Luann was never homeless or broke and she made more money per diem.  She sold her home for $8 million dollars and bought another for under $3 million.

She always had her place in the Hamptons, but she didn't have a place in NYC, which may or may not be a prerequisite for being a RHONYC. Probably moot, as none of them are really 'housewives'! Lu and Sonja were in the same place contractually last season, Lu came out WAY WAY ahead, snatching the top SL for herself. Go Lu.

[lunastartron]

52 minutes ago, Jamie Satyr said:

Her vile condescending attitude makes her very ugly; SORRY! ;-(

So you would let your bestie marry a cheating slime-bag liar like TOM! WOW; cool! Now we know! ;-(

Luann and Bethenny weren't "besties." Per Bethenny's own deranged, banshee-like shrieks of "you are a slut!" "Whore!" and other epithets, they weren't even friends.

Which just underscores how creepy and demented Nancy Drewing it up by contacting the Regency bartender was. 

[diadochokinesis]

14 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Luann was never homeless or broke and she made more money per diem.  She sold her home for $8 million dollars and bought another for under $3 million.

Yep.  The whole "Luann is homeless" thing was because the building she lived in wouldn't allow filming.  Apparently that is becoming quite the struggle in NY.  The co-op boards don't want RH being filmed there because it is disrupting to the other residents. 

[queenjen]

Bethenny's bridge walk of shame was one of the standout episodes for me and will forever give Ramona a point: she basically spent that walk telling Bethenny if she didn't change her behaviour and the way she treated people, she'd end up friendless and alone and miserable and Jason wouldn't stick around. How prescient! Beth was relatively humble about it at the time, in her TH she commented about how she wanted to just jump off the bridge, but she couldn't get away. And Ramona just trotted along beside her without a care in the world. It was gold. Glad they referenced it this episode. Ramona is barely the same person. Bethenny still is.

[NeverLate]

1 hour ago, biakbiak said:

Well at least with Lu the attitude hasn't caught up to her face like it has with Ramona, Carole, and Bethanny.

LOL, isn't that the truth. Bethany seems so bitter..

[AndySmith]

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In fact she really resembles a Pez dispenser. Yeech.

Stop giving her ideas for Skinny Girl...

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I think she stays on the show to promote her products.

And she is getting paid to promote her products lol

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[Jamie Satyr]

49 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

Luann and Bethenny weren't "besties." Per Bethenny's own deranged, banshee-like shrieks of "you are a slut!" "Whore!" and other epithets, they weren't even friends.

Which just underscores how creepy and demented Nancy Drewing it up by contacting the Regency bartender was. 

The truth is the best defense! If no one called, Lu would be left hanging because "we all know" she'll have follow-up questions and you need to be ready! Come on you know how common this woman is; not to mention terribly insecure which is why she's so desperate to marry! It'll be one more thing for her to think she can hold over some like Bethenny and Carole! That's the kind of woman she is and you know it! lol! ;-)

[Duke2801]

1 hour ago, queenjen said:

Ramona is barely the same person. Bethenny still is.

Do you mean externally or internally? If the former then I agree about Ramona. She barely resembles the somewhat-attractive, fairly well-preserved woman she was back then. 

But if it's the latter then I very much disagree about Beth. She is MUCH colder, meaner, and more brittle than she was in season 3. Back then she was sarcastic and self-deprecating; now she's bordering on insufferable. 

Ramona has always been rude and socially awkward. Never change, Moaner!

Dorinda is slowly emerging as my favorite NY housewife.  As long as she stays off the martini train and avoids senseless drunken tirades, she comes off as the most mature, sensible, and pleasant of the lot. Kinda looking forward to see how she handles the ridiculous, delusional Ms Morgan next week! 

[Lizzing]

I'm confused about this B.I. confusion here & on the Vulture recap.  Ramona has been using "B.I." for "bitch" for years now.  She's said it multiple times on the show.  It is a very weird, very Ramona thing to do, but it's hardly a new affectation.

It must have been Bravo's charcuterie week, between this episode and Southern Charm. 

I was so glad that Tinsley told Sonja to ditch the old underwear; I was afraid they would go to the Dress For Success box. LOL!

[eXiled]

8 hours ago, Jamie Satyr said:

I feel like I missed something! That whole scene just made no sense to me! What was it all about?  It's one thing for Ramona to act out, all crazy, but what bee went up Luann's arse? '-)

I think Ramona was being messy. I didn't like it because she tried to involve an innocent six year old. Those pictures of B's flapjacks have been roaming the web since the year of the flood, so I don't understand Ro's sudden interest in them. She has no story of her own, so she's decided to lash out in her weird, awkward, disingenuous way.

I used to really like Ramona. She was one of the HoWives that made me cackle all the time. Hell, her inappropriateness even got Bethie crying on that damned bridge! She was mean-girling to the max.

But she's been so pathetic since Mario left. Fake dates, faking concern for Luann, deciding she is suddenly too good for Sonia . . . . I can't stand her anymore. I used to want someone to verbally destroy her, but I seriously doubt it would make a mark on good ole Ro. I think that's the only she thing she has in common with Lu.

[JenE4]

There is really no one left to "root for" on this franchise. They're all equally reprehensible. I think it was atrocious for Ramoana to invoke Brynn and then act all put out by Bethenny getting upset. B.I., please! However...they're not wrong that Bethenny also has sniper attacks on people and also feigns naivete. And then we have Dorinda over here winding herself up for a deathmatch, amassing stacks of printed evidence. I'm picturing next week's showdown with Sonja will involve a reading glasses and indexed notes, "In section IV, paragraph D, the defendant stated..." 

[motorcitymom65]

5 hours ago, Fanny Mare said:

One thing is very true .BF can dish it out,but she darn well can't take it! I like Lu and I like Dorinda.

I think she can take it, I don't think she wants to take it. The things she said to Lu last season were horrible. Right after, when Beth was in her room talking to Carole about what went down, she said she couldn't believe what she had just said, and that Lu was still there and would ever talk to her again. She said she would never put up with being talked to like that. She knew she had gone to far, but had no respect for Lu, who was going to stay put. Beth just isn't going to put up with that shit for more camera time. Does she crave the camera. Of course, or she wouldn't have been at that lunch. But she isn't going to put up with just anything to keep the camera on her. 

[motorcitymom65]

I don't dislike Dorinda. In many ways I really like her, but I hate what she was doing at the lunch with Carole. Dorinda says in her TH that Ramona is being ridiculous and that she cannot believe what she is saying. But she keeps telling Carole to be quiet. To stay out of it. Might be sage advice, but as a grown ass woman, I hate it when another grown ass woman says something like that to me. She wasn't telling Lu to pipe down when she got involved in the Ramona/Beth conversation, but she keeps admonishing Carole to stay out of it. Her need to tell others how they should behave when bad behavior is swirling aroung her frustrates me. Reminds me of how she use to like to tell Heather how to behave. 

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Lu looked gorgeous at the dinner, not so much in her talking heads but at dinner she was lovely.

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I think she can take it, I don't think she wants to take it. The things she said to Lu last season were horrible. Right after, when Beth was in her room talking to Carole about what went down, she said she couldn't believe what she had just said, and that Lu was still there and would ever talk to her again. She said she would never put up with being talked to like that. She knew she had gone to far, but had no respect for Lu, who was going to stay put. Beth just isn't going to put up with that shit for more camera time. Does she crave the camera. Of course, or she wouldn't have been at that lunch. But she isn't going to put up with just anything to keep the camera on her. 

I disagree.  Bethenny is a bully, and like most bullies, she's all bark.  Look at her still making snarky comments about Lu as she's entering the restaurant with Carole.  Yet, she runs tail and retreats when Ramona asks her a question?  I think Ramona is ridiculously tacky but it's not like she yelled "whore!" at her across the table.  Bethenny wants her life to be off-limits while she dissects the live of her castmates.  Sorry, it doesn't work that way.  

Regarding Bethenny's comment that Lu might be blowing the owner later that night, so to her, is Lu a dirty whore or is she a sad, deluded woman marrying a philanderer??  Not sure how she can be both.  Bethenny is so jealous of her happiness she attacks from all angles.  I loved the editors juxtaposition of their day in the Hampton.  Bethenny/Carole miserably getting poked and prodded at the Dr while Lu/Dorinda blissing out on the boat after their taco lunch.

I feel like Ramona took a photo of Avery into the plastic surgeon and said "make me look like her".  Whatever has been done to her brow/eyes is very Avery like.

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Seriously, Lu needs to see an ENT stat with her smoking history, yikes.

Her voice is raspy, it always has been.  Realize that she does smoke socially but both Victoria & Noel have raspy voices as well.  Some people are just born that way.

Is Dorinda's hair slightly lavender?

[zoeysmom]

6 hours ago, Jamie Satyr said:

Her vile condescending attitude makes her very ugly; SORRY! ;-(

So you would let your bestie marry a cheating slime-bag liar like TOM! WOW; cool! Now we know! ;-(

First off Luann has not a bestie in either Ramona and Bethenny.  Second even if they were close it is never about "letting" a friend marrying someone.  So all the little sad faces are wasted on me.  Even if they were friends, there is a time to temper one's opinion, Tom and Luann could be married for years.  To me between Sonja, and her pining away for her lover Tom, and Ramona spying on him and Bethenny and Carole just putting down the couple in general, they look foolish and have done far more to lend a mean girl slant to their reputations.   

[Mozelle]

There's so much hilarity in this alliance between LuAnn and Ramona. How is LuAnn acting as though she wasn't on the receiving end of Ramona pulling something re: her daughter? I haven't forgotten that Ramona retweeted (or tweeted) then removed a tweet linking to a video of Victoria smoking a spliff and using the n-word. And then for LuAnn to chastise Bethenny for only thinking of herself--which she does but follow me--when just last season, LuAnn only wanted to talk about the Tom drama while sitting outside with Jules, who was going through it with news about her father's ill health and hospitalization? 

These women's mirrors are broken. Oh, and they're also nuts!

[motorcitymom65]

11 minutes ago, Mozelle said:

There's so much hilarity in this alliance between LuAnn and Ramona. How is LuAnn acting as though she wasn't on the receiving end of Ramona pulling something re: her daughter? I haven't forgotten that Ramona retweeted (or tweeted) then removed a tweet linking to a video of Victoria smoking a spliff and using the n-word. And then for LuAnn to chastise Bethenny for only thinking of herself--which she does but follow me--when just last season, LuAnn only wanted to talk about the Tom drama while sitting outside with Jules, who was going through it with news about her father's ill health and hospitalization? 

These women's mirrors are broken. Oh, and they're also nuts!

So much this. I couldn't get past Lu and Ramona chatting away like long lost friends after last year. Hell, after the last episode where Ramona admitted to having some scoop about Tom that "Lu just doesn't want to hear". And in Ramona's TH, where she sounded like a school girl who had been asked to sit at the popular table for lunch. So happy and delighted to be hanging out with Lu, the "don't be all uncool" chick. How ridiculous, and where in the world did it come from? I don't like a lot of things about Lu, but she will always have a defender in me about what Ramona did to her daughter all those years ago. I would have never spoken to her again after that whole deal. This is the thing about Lu that Carole and Heather have both said. Her instincts are often to do the right thing, but she just cannot get out of her own way - or out of the way of the persona that she wants to project - to follow through. In the beginning of the lunch, she thought that Ramona was wrong. She said as much about how she shouldn't be bringing it all up about the movie and mentioning Beth's daughter in relation to it. But then she gets caught up in Ramona and her dumb shit stuff, because maybe it is getting to Beth a little bit, and that would be a good thing. 

Edited April 20, 2017 by motorcitymom65

[queenjen]

18 minutes ago, Mozelle said:

LuAnn only wanted to talk about the Tom drama while sitting outside with Jules, who was going through it with news about her father's ill health and hospitalization?

Absolutely, it was this scene that came to mind, when Lu was chastising Bethenny for walking away instead of staying at lunch. When Lu disappeared outside to smoke chew Jules' ear off until she butted out and went inside again. This popped up for me also. Lu is winning already. Engaging with Bethenny is beneath her and erodes her position. 

Also: I didnt miss the shade Ramona threw at Bethenny regarding Brynn going to a public school either. I'm pretty sure Ramona would be WELL aware, especially as at this time, the Jason showing up at Brynn's school and drowning Bethenny and new boyfriend in emails and calls drama was happening, it was all over the news. So, if Ramona didn't already know where Brynn was going to school from just taking the normal interest one takes in the offspring of one's friends, she'd have known from this. Further, Avery went to a big deal private school, Ramona has an interest in these things. She was trying to shame Bethenny's choices, or make some kind of point. She was probably about to get another dose of democracy stress from Bethenny or Carole or both if she'd persisted with this particular angle.

[QuinnM]

I really think Ramona was initially thinking she and Bethenny 'had a lot of catching up to do'.  She seemed burned by the fact that B didn't send out puppy birth announcements, she was shocked B didn't start drooling over the photo of she and her daughter and she knew everything in the news.  Including the fact that Jason was acting a fool.  Lucky for her when it all didn't go as planned she was sitting next to Lu who couldn't wait to jump in calling that sad B movie (which was in the press season 2 so this is old stuff) a porn flick.  I would think someone whose daughter's art is mostly nudes would be more worldly but Lu loves to clutch those pearls.  So Ramona jumped on Plan B.  She was giddy with the fact that she was now aligned with Lu.  Weddings!  Social events at the Regency! 

Poor Tinsley.  I really think she wants to get along with everyone.  I have my fingers crossed.  It would be fun if both Dorinda and Tinsley could navigate that water.  Tinsley makes a much better partner in the Morgan manor.  The underwear bit was gold.  And why is Sonja not at Ramona's?  No one is staying there.  Lu and Dorinda are at her Sag Harbor place.  (No Lu B did not ask about your tacky wedding but she did ask about the renovation.) 

Did I miss something?  I know Sonja was saying things about Luann but I missed social media slander of Dorinda.  Next week is going to be good.

[zoeysmom]

35 minutes ago, queenjen said:

Absolutely, it was this scene that came to mind, when Lu was chastising Bethenny for walking away instead of staying at lunch. When Lu disappeared outside to smoke chew Jules' ear off until she butted out and went inside again. This popped up for me also. Lu is winning already. Engaging with Bethenny is beneath her and erodes her position. 

Also: I didnt miss the shade Ramona threw at Bethenny regarding Brynn going to a public school either. I'm pretty sure Ramona would be WELL aware, especially as at this time, the Jason showing up at Brynn's school and drowning Bethenny and new boyfriend in emails and calls drama was happening, it was all over the news. So, if Ramona didn't already know where Brynn was going to school from just taking the normal interest one takes in the offspring of one's friends, she'd have known from this. Further, Avery went to a big deal private school, Ramona has an interest in these things. She was trying to shame Bethenny's choices, or make some kind of point. She was probably about to get another dose of democracy stress from Bethenny or Carole or both if she'd persisted with this particular angle.

Something happened at the last summer that estranged Ramona and Bethenny so I don't think they were in each others' lives.  After the Reunion filmed Ramona ran off to the Berkshires with Dorinda.

Not necessarily defending Ramona but I do think the question regarding Bethenny telling her daughter was more rhetorical as to when and how she would handle it.  Bethenny response was kind of a diversion to the real question celebrities have about how and when they tell their children about their unusual station in life.  I am not sure how many other celebrity types have children in Bryn's school but I would think Bryn's circumstances might be a bit unique.  Who knows how many of the other children have moms like unfiltered Ramona? 

I hope Bethenny works on her answers to Bryn before she has a talk with her.  I don't think, I needed money, I wanted to be an actress and my tits looked big, are the way to go.  What keeps a kid, regardless of her financial place in life from participating in potentially embarrassing social media behavior.  I don't get this thing where people take so much pride in saying they have no regrets.  Part of growth is regretting previous behavior that hurts others or even the person.

Edited April 20, 2017 by zoeysmom

[CrinkleCutCat]

Ignoring WHY Ramona brought up Beth's "soft porn past" and questioned how she dealt with that with her daughter.... Bethenny completely misunderstood or ignored the salient point (that Ramona is unable to articulate clearly) which is the issue of Bryn being able to access salubrious information about her mother in this digital age. If not Bryn, then anyone else who could bring it to her attention. That's what Ramona said happened to her daughter Avery.

Sure, Beth can argue she doesn't care about her past, she isn't ashamed of it.... but it COULD upset her daughter when she is a bit older. Beth sure has her blinkers on.

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[zoeysmom]

2 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

I really think Ramona was initially thinking she and Bethenny 'had a lot of catching up to do'.  She seemed burned by the fact that B didn't send out puppy birth announcements, she was shocked B didn't start drooling over the photo of she and her daughter and she knew everything in the news.  Including the fact that Jason was acting a fool.  Lucky for her when it all didn't go as planned she was sitting next to Lu who couldn't wait to jump in calling that sad B movie (which was in the press season 2 so this is old stuff) a porn flick.  I would think someone whose daughter's art is mostly nudes would be more worldly but Lu loves to clutch those pearls.  So Ramona jumped on Plan B.  She was giddy with the fact that she was now aligned with Lu.  Weddings!  Social events at the Regency! 

Poor Tinsley.  I really think she wants to get along with everyone.  I have my fingers crossed.  It would be fun if both Dorinda and Tinsley could navigate that water.  Tinsley makes a much better partner in the Morgan manor.  The underwear bit was gold.  And why is Sonja not at Ramona's?  No one is staying there.  Lu and Dorinda are at her Sag Harbor place.  (No Lu B did not ask about your tacky wedding but she did ask about the renovation.) 

Did I miss something?  I know Sonja was saying things about Luann but I missed social media slander of Dorinda.  Next week is going to be good.

I get the impression there is a lot being discussed that doesn't make mainstream (or at least mainstream for the RH franchises) media.  Dorinda seemed to indicate that Sonja was flapping her jaws on some Facebook site.  I am sure by next week there will a lot of new information after next week's episode.

I also believe Bethenny's nude past was making the rounds again last fall.  It would be like hearing about Kelly Bensimon getting arrested.  Recently I was listening to the writer from Vulture, Brian Moylan and he was hot on an investigation about the a RHOBH character. The alleged incident had been set forth in "House of Hilton" (and would have occurred 40 plus years ago), so some of these writers seem to think news to them is worth reporting as opposed to real news . 

[ryebread]

4 hours ago, Duke2801 said:

Dorinda is slowly emerging as my favorite NY housewife.  As long as she stays off the martini train and avoids senseless drunken tirades, she comes off as the most mature, sensible, and pleasant of the lot. Kinda looking forward to see how she handles the ridiculous, delusional Ms Morgan next week! 

 

2 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I don't dislike Dorinda. In many ways I really like her, but I hate what she was doing at the lunch with Carole.

Agree.  I have/had high hopes for the sober Dorinda.  But I also hated what she was doing at lunch with Carole. 

And hated even more what she was doing at lunch with Lu and Victoria.  Her drama about not being invited to Sonja's Mad Hatter party was dumb and obnoxious.  I see where her daughter gets it, now.  Even Victoria looked embarrassed for her.