Bachelor in Paradise in the Media

[Mu Shu]

19 hours ago, backformore said:

Maybe it's pre-emptive, to make sure they don't get blamed for whatever happened. 

IF you're involved in a TV show, and suddenly find you're in the middle of something that's more like a porno, yeah, I can see the point of a lawsuit.

Isn't all this crap a soft core porno?  I mean shit we had to listen to Nick and that Canadian chick who is not Jillian getting it on behind closed doors.  Before I thought Nick was hot, so I was traumatized.  Chad threatened beta male Evan AND, even worse, shit his fucking pants.  

I've always assumed these mutts were getting it on.  Fuck it man.  What a bunch of shit.  I had penciled this in!  

Does this mean that Carly will have to pay for her microblading and bag of hair instead of Fleiss and company footing the bill for her cringy ass marriage to cringy ass Evan. I say, fuck it all. 

[fib]

13 minutes ago, F. M. said:

Well Corrine's should tell her to lay off the alcohol, its obvious even from the bachelor, the girl has a drinking problem. Its easy to pin all this on a jerk like DeMario, but I read she was naked. MF has gone too far, starting with Chad last season getting violent. This should be called drunks behaving badly, and maybe shouldn't be on the air anymore. Jmho.

Yes.  The one thing I learned from last season is that Chad is an alcoholic, and Lace has a drinking problem.  

 

Production should know from last season that day 1, with the nerves, the new climate, the pressure to be liked, and the open bar... day 1 is highl likelihood trainwreckedness.  

[Mu Shu]

2 hours ago, aw86 said:

Who would be stupid enough to quit a job for Bachelor in Paradise?

Dumb fucks who don't have real jobs.

[Wings]

20 minutes ago, F. M. said:

Well Corrine's should tell her to lay off the alcohol, its obvious even from the bachelor, the girl has a drinking problem. Its easy to pin all this on a jerk like DeMario, but I read she was naked. MF has gone too far, starting with Chad last season getting violent. This should be called drunks behaving badly, and maybe shouldn't be on the air anymore. Jmho.

I am sure this has signaled the end of BiP forever.  They will come up with another spin off but different.  

[Armchair Critic]

No more Jorge? Damn you people!

[JenE4]

10 minutes ago, Armchair Critic said:

No more Jorge? Damn you people!

I hope Jorge doesn't get a subpoena or a summons or something for over-serving these people. [pre-emptivly printing "Free Jorge" t-shirts]

[JudyObscure]

4 hours ago, fib said:

Corinne may be (or simply play at being) promiscuous, but she may still be a victim here.  MAY. So may DeMario.  I can honestly say I have no idea what happened but I dont like the idea that because she can be sexually aggressive sometimes, she cant be victimized   

Of course.  I didn't say Corinne couldn't be victimized. I  pointed out examples of her behavior that we have seen.

 What I didn't like was the fact that the whole world was jumping to the conclusion that DeMario was a rapist based on the word of a woman who can't actually remember what happened.  DeMario may be, or simply play at being, a player and a liar, but he may still be victimized here, and I think he has the most to lose.

[b2H]

I understood that Jorge was already out this season.  Have to wonder if it would have been different, were he there.

[JenE4]

I've been inappropriately making jokes, but in all sincerity, it HAS to be serious if you think of the MILLIONS of dollars lost--not just in production costs, but think of all of the lost advertising. They now lost FOUR hours of weekly programming if they were planning on following the last few years: 2 hours on Monday, 1 hour on Tuesday followed by the 1-hour live after show. Now what's ABC going to do--play FOUR HOURS of repeats? Their prime time lineup for 2 nights is fucked. If they were smart they'd dust off the archives and replay classic seasons of The Bachelor.

[Artsda]

Unless Production forced the alcohol on Corinne, her being black-out drunk is on her for having no self-control over alcohol.

[Mabinogia]

17 minutes ago, JenE4 said:

If they were smart they'd dust off the archives and replay classic seasons of The Bachelor.

It would actually be really interesting to watch one of the first seasons, to see how far the franchise has sunk. They will come up with something. Bachelor: Sober Camp? Chad and Corinne would have VIP rooms for that mess.

[meatball77]

I read that Corrine said she didn't have any bad feelings towards or blame DeMario for what happened.  The entire thing is on tape, it should be clear if she was drunk enough for him to know that she was too drunk to consent (they aren't alleging that she could barely move or was unconscious).  The   It seems to me that what they did was get the two of them plastered and then encourage them to go at it in public with the lights on and the cameras rolling.  If anyone is responsible it's the people who encouraged them to go at it.  One of the producers said we should step in because neither of them are sober enough, her boss said no and then she complained to the network who realized things were out of control and demanded a halt to production.

It is rather convenient that all of this is happening this week when Rachel's season is on hiatus.  Keeps everyone talking about the franchise.

[fib]

33 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

Of course.  I didn't say Corinne couldn't be victimized. I  pointed out examples of her behavior that we have seen.

 What I didn't like was the fact that the whole world was jumping to the conclusion that DeMario was a rapist based on the word of a woman who can't actually remember what happened.  DeMario may be, or simply play at being, a player and a liar, but he may still be victimized here, and I think he has the most to lose.

Here i totally agree with you.  

The economic and cultural dynamics of this are HORRIFYING.  Corinne is wealthy, young, pretty blonde with a rich daddy whose lawyer is advising her.  DeMario is apparently, speaking to tmz through his pals? I feel as though our countrys execreable history of lynching  is in danger of playing out through social media against DeMario because he doesnt have the same resources as Corinne.  Emmett Till is coming to mind.  

[McManda]

In the end, I think one needs to be responsible for their own actions and be able to own up to the consequences thereof. Corinne needs to lay off the drinking and the desire to be the bad girl of the Bachelor franchise and find the words to say no. Same for DeMario, especially because it seems like he's likely going to be the fall guy for all of this. 

It seems to me that what they did was get the two of them plastered and then encourage them to go at it in public with the lights on and the cameras rolling.  If anyone is responsible it's the people who encouraged them to go at it.

I think "blame" is going to depend on the timing. Did production approach a sober and together Corinne and DeMario and say "hey, your story is going to be a relationship, sound good?" If Corinne and DeMario, together and sober said "eh, you're attractive, I'm attractive, could make for interesting tv, I'm game" then I think that's consent enough. They didn't have to drink to excess, they didn't have to get naked in daylight in public (lord knows the show has done more with less), they didn't have to engage in oral sex. Sure, production probably should have stopped them, or at least stopped the filming, but this mess is still mostly of their own making. 

If anything, without all the details, right now it kind if reads like after-the-fact remorse and wanting to blame someone else for their actions.

Obviously this only hold if there are no rape allegations, which it sounds like there aren't at this point. it makes me feel a bit callous and I'm sorry their drunken mistake hookup happened in a public venue, but there's a good possibility that they both backed themselves into that corner.

[ByTor]

11 minutes ago, meatball77 said:

The entire thing is on tape, it should be clear if she was drunk enough for him to know that she was too drunk to consent (

How is he supposed to see this when he is too drunk to consent and she has her ladybits in his face?

 

12 minutes ago, meatball77 said:

If anyone is responsible it's the people who encouraged them to go at it.

In the end, if anyone is responsible it's the people who couldn't control their alcohol consumption.  I really doubt the producers were pouring it down their unwilling throats.

[Adeejay]

10 minutes ago, fib said:

The economic and cultural dynamics of this are HORRIFYING.  Corinne is wealthy, young, pretty blonde with a rich daddy whose lawyer is advising her.  DeMario is apparently, speaking to tmz through his pals? I feel as though our countrys execreable history of lynching  is in danger of playing out through social media against DeMario because he doesnt have the same resources as Corinne.  Emmett Till is coming to mind.  

This is really starting to get ugly.  I agree with the posters that say production should have stepped in when they saw was what happening.  Surely, this wasn't the first time that guests "got busy."  Why was it different this time?

[Alapaki]

The closest analogy that I can think of is a Dram Shop act.  Corrine is accusing Production of serving DiMario then letting him get behind the wheel of a car where he proceeded to crash into Corinne's car.  DiMario's defense is, "yeah, I was swerving all over the place, but she was drunk too and swerved into my lane."  

9 minutes ago, Adeejay said:

Surely, this wasn't the first time that guests "got busy."  Why was it different this time?

I think, because when you boil it down, Corrine's accusation is that TPTB stood by and allowed her to be raped (after getting her rapist drunk).  We can dispute the accuracy of that accusation.  But I think that's the accusation.

Bottom line is that everything that happened is on film.  We didn't see it, although we've heard descriptions from several sources.  But based on what they saw, Warner Bros made a decision which, as @JenE4 mentioned, is a big deal.  It's one thing for VH1 to have to dust off some "I love the 80's" reruns to replace Megan's show.  Here we're talking about network TV prime time programming and advertising revenue.  Although I suppose the "pool tape" might be the all-time Clorox Bleachable Moment. (too soon?)

[ByTor]

6 minutes ago, Alapaki said:

Corrine's accusation is that TPTB stood by and allowed her to be raped

There is nowhere I have seen where Corinne claimed she was "raped".  As I said earlier, I think "consent" boils down to "consent" to be filmed.

Edited June 13, 2017 by ByTor

[McManda]

The most logical legal issue is the filming of this softcore porn. A simple fix to the "consent to be filmed" would be a court order to destroy the footage.

I think former contestant Ryan Beckett summed up my feelings pretty well - "There’s some leading the horse to water, but at the end of the day, it’s always the cast that has to decide if they want to drink or hook up."

[ByTor]

I'm just curious...if the accounts are correct it sounds like Corinne was the aggressor.  Why is nobody calling her a "rapist?"  Shouldn't she have known Demario was too drunk to consent when she shoved her junk in his face?

[Alapaki]

21 minutes ago, ByTor said:

There is nowhere I have seen where Corinne claimed she was "raped".  As I said earlier, I think "consent" boils down to "consent" to be filmed.

What has been reported, and not just from Corrine's side, is that DiMario penetrated Corrine with his finger and that she says she wasn't capable of consent.

If Corrine was only whining that she couldn't consent to be filmed, first of all I don't think she wins that argument given the way those contracts are written.  But more importantly the easy solution is to edit around her (or around the footage she was complaining about).  I seriously doubt they would pull the plug on the entire season over that accusation.

16 minutes ago, ByTor said:

I'm just curious...if the accounts are correct it sounds like Corinne was the aggressor.  Why is nobody calling her a "rapist?"  Shouldn't she have known Demario was too drunk to consent when she shoved her junk in his face?

That's the issue with cases like this and the reason why there don't tend to be a lot of prosecutions.  But the issue of Production's allowing this to happen seems quite clear.

[ByTor]

3 minutes ago, Alapaki said:

 But the issue of Production's allowing this to happen seems quite clear.

 I have zero argument with this.  Yeah, the show is meant to be sleazy, but where does the line get drawn?  They've gone over it many times in the past, but this time I think they sped over the line, backed up, and crossed it again.

ETA:  Of course, as I said, in the end the people involved are the ones who accepted the booze, and accepted to be on a hook-up TV show, but IMO this was inappropriate to film, and, again, if the stories are true then I'm glad this producer called TPTB out on it.

Edited June 13, 2017 by ByTor

[Artsda]

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Corinne has told her friends she has a boyfriend and wouldn't have done what she did -- especially with cameras rolling -- to jeopardize that relationship.

Especially with cameras rolling? So what did she expect to do this season then? Play cards? She knew the show she was signing up for and going on, this attempt of a defense by her sources doesn't give her side of the story much credibility. 
 

[chocolatine]

I have no sympathy with either Corinne or DeMario. Yes, production should have intervened, but this isn't either Corinne's or DeMario's first Bachelor rodeo; they know exactly how those shows operate. The drinks are free, but they're not being forced down anyone's throat. Most BIP contestants have exercised moderation - only Chad and Lace come to mind as being extremely drunk out of 60+ people who have appeared over three seasons. Corinne and DeMario chose to get plastered, and they are both equally responsible for what happened after that.

Edited June 13, 2017 by chocolatine

[Martinigirl]

The bombshell is Corrine was out of it, they are calling it date rape, Corrine has been / is traumatized by what happened, Corrine's producer tried to stop it and the producers above her/him wouldn't allow her/him to stop the date rape. The show is def canceled for this year. Uncertain as to going forward.  

[lids]

Now that we know production pre-outlined a storyline where Corrine and DeMario hooked up, who from the past do you believe to also be a storyline relationship? Or do you think all the relationships on the show are mere storylines?

Also, does this call into question what happens on The Bachelorette? I've seen people reason that it would figure that DeMario would end up being the one in this predicament since he was sleezy on The Bachelorette. But now the question is was his "girlfriend" on The Bachelorette just a made-up storyline?

[fib]

Wow @Martinigirl  thanks for sharing. That is terrible.  Where did you hear that?  

[Martinigirl]

3 minutes ago, fib said:

Wow @Martinigirl  thanks for sharing. That is terrible.  Where did you hear that?  

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Edited June 13, 2017 by Martinigirl

[saylubee]

One possible strike against the production is how heavy-handed they are in creating their storylines for the season.  We know from TMZ that Corrinne and DeMario were supposed to be the bad boy/bad girl villain couple.  How far did the producers want Corinne to go?  If we assume the move of going up and kissing him at the bar were producer-driven, it's very possible that Corinne expected the producers to stop before things got to sex level.  Especially if she had previously made it clear that she only wanted to go so far because of her boyfriend, which they undoubtedly knew about.  Did DeMario have that information about where Corinne wanted to stop or was he told to participate in whatever may come his way?  I could easily see a situation where Corinne is actively participating because she expects the show to protect her however naive that may be, DeMario assumes he has consent because Corinne is actively participating, and the show is just sitting on their hands gleeful cackling at the footage they are getting.

[NeverLate]

2 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

Of course.  I didn't say Corinne couldn't be victimized. I  pointed out examples of her behavior that we have seen.

 What I didn't like was the fact that the whole world was jumping to the conclusion that DeMario was a rapist based on the word of a woman who can't actually remember what happened.  DeMario may be, or simply play at being, a player and a liar, but he may still be victimized here, and I think he has the most to lose.

Corrine ( for what it's worth) doesn't blame DeMario. She lays blame squarely on the producers. She also has a boyfriend, so why she was there, who knows, who cares. DeMario was told that he and Corrine would be a storyline. It's all on mail online...

19 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

The bombshell is Corrine was out of it, they are calling it date rape, Corrine has been / is traumatized by what happened, Corrine's producer tried to stop it and the producers above her/him wouldn't allow her/him to stop the date rape. The show is def canceled for this year. Uncertain as to going forward.  

Really? Because I read they had oral sex, and as I posted, she doesn't blame DeMario. Very strange. All those people around, and nobody stopped this date rape? Really....

[McManda]

8 minutes ago, saylubee said:

I could easily see a situation where Corinne is actively participating because she expects the show to protect her however naive that may be,

If Corinne really depended on this then she's dumber than I thought.

[MsPH]

1 hour ago, ByTor said:

In the end, if anyone is responsible it's the people who couldn't control their alcohol consumption.  I really doubt the producers were pouring it down their unwilling throats.

As much as I wish everyone had self-control, plenty of people don't and even less so while drunk. Often times what makes them stop drinking is running out of alcohol, running out of money or refusal to be served. On this show they keep giving them free booze until they pass out and crap their pants, so I definitely hold them at least partly responsible. It was only a matter of time until something serious happened. As already mentioned, people could've drowned or suffered from alcohol poisoning just because drama brings ratings. Every season someone seems to end up in hospital because of dehydration, since alcohol and heat isn't a good combination. I'm glad if the plug is pulled on this irresponsible crap.

[saylubee]

3 minutes ago, MsPH said:

As much as I wish everyone had self-control, plenty of people don't and even less so while drunk. Often times what makes them stop drinking is running out of alcohol, running out of money or refusal to be served. On this show they keep giving them free booze until they pass out and crap their pants, so I definitely hold them at least partly responsible. It was only a matter of time until something serious happened. As already mentioned, people could've drowned or suffered from alcohol poisoning just because drama brings ratings. Every season someone seems to end up in hospital because of dehydration, since alcohol and heat isn't a good combination. I'm glad if the plug is pulled on this irresponsible crap.

I've read in the past that the show makes drinks stronger then they should be by adding multiple shots to mixed drinks, they top off drinks after a few sips so the contestants lose count of how many drinks they have had, and they provide very little food.  I've also read that in some situations, they will only provide alcohol or tap water.  You can't get a soda, juice, milk, etc.  That's to encourage people to drink alcohol. 

[NeverLate]

19 minutes ago, saylubee said:

I've read in the past that the show makes drinks stronger then they should be by adding multiple shots to mixed drinks, they top off drinks after a few sips so the contestants lose count of how many drinks they have had, and they provide very little food.  I've also read that in some situations, they will only provide alcohol or tap water.  You can't get a soda, juice, milk, etc.  That's to encourage people to drink alcohol. 

That's pretty much the same for the bacherlotte and bachelor shows. You often see the lead, who doesn't drink, with wine or a glass of something in their hands. Meals are few , they want them drunk, and out of control.

Sad state of affairs.

[Jeanne222]

4 hours ago, Zuleikha said:

Remember that DeMario's account had the caveat that it is disputed. We don't know what exactly happened, and what exactly he did or Corinne did. This is even more true if DeMario's account is secondhand and not firsthand. 

If Corinne was blackout drunk, she couldn't give consent according to many state laws. I very much doubt that it was not visibly apparent that she was too drunk. DeMario sounds like he probably was too drunk as well to give consent. The law can barely handle straightforward cases of sexual assault; it does not do well with both party impairment. However, it doesn't sound like Corinne is alleging anything against DeMario; she's holding production responsible. I believe this is the morally (and possibly legally) correct approach. There were sober people capable of seeing and intervening in a non-consensual act, and in at least one version of the story, a sober person did try to intervene and was blocked by the higher ups in production. 

I agree and very well said.  Bottom line is this.  Nobody stopped it because they were waiting to see 'what' part of it they could use on the show to bring in the audience.  What a shame young people like C and D are being used like this and are accepting the invitation to behave in such a manner. 

Up thread somebody mentioned 'soft porn' and I agree.  That's what they are signing up for on this show.  No surprise. 

When she and he were so drunk production should have stopped it right then.  This was not something done as a real rape.  Lights, camera, Action took place on this one.

The problem I have with all of this is that people will start to think rape is ok.  It's never ok and now innocent victims will have to live with this soap opera when they try to convince a jury they really were R A P E D!

[MsTree]

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The TMZ story mentioned that Corrine never would have consented, because she HAS A BOYFRIEND.   WTF?  what is she doing on a show that is supposed to be about "finding love in paradise?" 

She's doing the exact same thing that all the men/women do that aren't there "for the right reasons".  How often have we heard that there's a boyfriend/girlfriend "at home"?  All of them are aspiring actors looking for their 15 minutes. Some of them get it (guest reporters on entertainment shows, guest appearances, etc) and some don't. The one who stand out make a career out of it.

I firmly believe only a handful on Bachelor/ettes are looking for love. The rest are adding their appearance to their resume. As for BIP, I don't think ANY of them are truly looking to find love. It's all producer-driven BS to create the most dramatic moment.

[DEL901]

10 hours ago, wings707 said:

I am sure this has signaled the end of BiP forever.  They will come up with another spin off but different.  

I read in US Magazine online, I think, that the Mexican Tourist Bureau heavily subsidizes this show.  Not any more, so if only for financial reasons, the show is unlikely to be back.

10 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

Of course.  I didn't say Corinne couldn't be victimized. I  pointed out examples of her behavior that we have seen.

 What I didn't like was the fact that the whole world was jumping to the conclusion that DeMario was a rapist based on the word of a woman who can't actually remember what happened.  DeMario may be, or simply play at being, a player and a liar, but he may still be victimized here, and I think he has the most to lose.

The fact that she can't remember means she was black out drunk and could not consent.  The fact that he was just as drunk sets up some legal issues, though.

9 hours ago, Alapaki said:

The closest analogy that I can think of is a Dram Shop act.  Corrine is accusing Production of serving DiMario then letting him get behind the wheel of a car where he proceeded to crash into Corinne's car.  DiMario's defense is, "yeah, I was swerving all over the place, but she was drunk too and swerved into my lane."  

I think, because when you boil it down, Corrine's accusation is that TPTB stood by and allowed her to be raped (after getting her rapist drunk).  We can dispute the accuracy of that accusation.  But I think that's the accusation.

Bottom line is that everything that happened is on film.  We didn't see it, although we've heard descriptions from several sources.  But based on what they saw, Warner Bros made a decision which, as @JenE4 mentioned, is a big deal.  It's one thing for VH1 to have to dust off some "I love the 80's" reruns to replace Megan's show.  Here we're talking about network TV prime time programming and advertising revenue.  Although I suppose the "pool tape" might be the all-time Clorox Bleachable Moment. (too soon?)

If they got it all on film, that means someone was watching and filming and could/should have intervened.

7 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

The bombshell is Corrine was out of it, they are calling it date rape, Corrine has been / is traumatized by what happened, Corrine's producer tried to stop it and the producers above her/him wouldn't allow her/him to stop the date rape. The show is def canceled for this year. Uncertain as to going forward.  

And that is the big scandal.  She may not blame DeMario since they were both plastered, but this... this leaves the show liable.

[JudyObscure]

The more I read about all this -- the pushing of booze, the producers setting up hook-ups, the BIP cast made up of the people who proved to be sleaziest on the regular shows, the cameras and editing out to show the most drunken behavior -- the worse I feel for ever watching this show.  With "The Bachelorette," having mud wrestling and stripper dancing in a single episode, I think I'm ready to defect from Bachelor Nation.

[fib]

24 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

The more I read about all this -- the pushing of booze, the producers setting up hook-ups, the BIP cast made up of the people who proved to be sleaziest on the regular shows, the cameras and editing out to show the most drunken behavior -- the worse I feel for ever watching this show.  With "The Bachelorette," having mud wrestling and stripper dancing in a single episode, I think I'm ready to defect from Bachelor Nation.

Ugh.  Me too.  Among all the tweets complaining about the cancellation, which i totally understand, i enjoy the heck out of watching this show.  I cant help but feel a bit complicit.  

[portergirl99]

I guess I'm in the minority.  I do think the cameras should have stopped rolling once it became clear BOTH contestants were too drunk for consent.  However, the rest of it IMO lies squarely on Corrine and DiMario.  What happened to taking responsibility for your actions? Just because there is a show on TV doesn't mean you have to apply to be on it?? If you are accepted to be on a dating show and you have a boyfriend you don’t have to be a part of the cast.  Just because the producers want to fabricate a story line where you hook up doesn’t mean you have to do it.  Just because there is tons of alcohol available doesn't mean you have to drink it?? Or so much of it???

I really think Corrine AND DiMario ended up naked in a pool getting it on with each other because that is where they wanted to be in that moment -- seriously.  Was it a bad decision? Hell yes! But it was their decision!!!!  Should the producers have stopped filming at that point -- yes -- that would have been the best decision. But the decision to get naked in the pool after many many drinks? That's on Corrine and DiMario -- of course, your mileage may vary and most likely does -- and that's okay too -- This just seems like a case of "you knew I was a crazy party person and you made alcohol available + the opportunity to make bad decisions so I did...............but you are really to blame, not me" 

Edited to add; while it is clear that Corrine and (most likely) DiMario were in no shape to consent in the pool to engage in finger penetration or oral sex, they were capable of making and understanding their multiple bad decisions over the course of the day that led up to that  situation.  That's really my point.   Perhaps they aren't accountable for those last very very very bad decisions, but they are fully culpable for many others that preceded the final act. 

I love this show – the good, the bad and the Chad and I’m super unhappy that it won’t be on this summer and even sadder that it took this dark turn.  I loved the soapy silly fun that was BiP. 

Edited June 13, 2017 by portergirl99

[MakeMeLaugh]

1 hour ago, JudyObscure said:

The more I read about all this -- the pushing of booze, the producers setting up hook-ups, the BIP cast made up of the people who proved to be sleaziest on the regular shows, the cameras and editing out to show the most drunken behavior -- the worse I feel for ever watching this show.  With "The Bachelorette," having mud wrestling and stripper dancing in a single episode, I think I'm ready to defect from Bachelor Nation.

Me too. The shows are all so purposely cast, heavily manipulated with predetermined storylines, and overedited and voiced over to create the final product (and as a result, we can know who "wins" before the first episode even airs--I couldn't know that about any other show, fictional or "reality"). I think the concept of finding love has evolved way past being believable and the shows aren't enjoyable for me. The icky factor has taken over big time. 

ETA and sorry, but I expect a production company's employees to be the grownup in the room at all times, waivers be damned. Imo this is all on the show, not the cast. Maybe they shouldn't pick contestants who are borderline or more alcoholics or who have just watched themselves be humiliated on the parent show and pour rum down their throats and tell them what to do re hooking up and then film the damn mess even when an employee wants it to stop--and then wash their hands of what happens as a result because, waivers? Watch for a quick quiet settlement by the show with both cast members to make this go away, imo.

Edited June 13, 2017 by MakeMeLaugh

[lids]

I think they'll pay to make it go away too. There's no way TPTB want their scripts sequestered in open court to make available the "secrets" of how these reality shows are crafted. People really watch these episodes and believe they are seeing true emotion and love stories when a good number are just acting to script.

That said, Corrine's story doesn't make sense though. You can't say you were blackout drunk and can't remember anything and then say you know DeMario was too drunk to consent. She also can't say she wouldn't agree to sexual contact with DeMario because she has a boyfriend but she engaged in sexual contact on her last season and tried to have sex with a contestant (per the storyline) while she had that same boyfriend. Also she agreed to perform in a scene that involved "hooking up" which has the connotation of sexual contact. The whole case would center on where she would have drawn the line. I hate those semantics cases.

I wonder if we will eventually hear an official story or whether everyone will pretend this never happened. Oh Disney.

[ByTor]

11 hours ago, MsPH said:

. I'm glad if the plug is pulled on this irresponsible crap.

I am too.  I said it before & I'll say it again, they insanely kept pushing and pushing the limits of good taste, not to mention the limits of safety, and now it's come back to bite them in the ass.

 They treat these contestants like they're not even human, and the contestants don't seem to care since they get their faces on TV & they get to shill crap on Instagram, so it seems to me that we have two groups who are both using each other, and now they're actually all ass-bitten.

[truthaboutluv]

55 minutes ago, lids said:

That said, Corrine's story doesn't make sense though. You can't say you were blackout drunk and can't remember anything and then say you know DeMario was too drunk to consent.

This is my assumption but I think she came to that conclusion after they were both shown the footage. Perhaps it is fairly obvious from the tape that DeMario himself was also clearly out of it. 

 

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I guess I'm in the minority.  I do think the cameras should have stopped rolling once it became clear BOTH contestants were too drunk for consent.  However, the rest of it IMO lies squarely on Corrine and DiMario.  What happened to taking responsibility for your actions? Just because there is a show on TV doesn't mean you have to apply to be on it?? If you are accepted to be on a dating show and you have a boyfriend you don’t have to be a part of the cast.  Just because the producers want to fabricate a story line where you hook up doesn’t mean you have to do it.  Just because there is tons of alcohol available doesn't mean you have to drink it?? Or so much of it???

Yes, a lot of the contestants have talked about the copious amounts of alcohol always available and all the ways they try to make them go stir crazy to create drama but many have always stated that they never force anyone to drink. And I have heard that coffee, tea, water, etc. is available. I know Vanessa in an interview mentioned only really ever drinking water throughout Nick's season and Nick mentioned bonding with weirdo Daniel during BIP because they were both early risers and so they would sit by the bar every morning, having coffee and talking. 

That said, the show casts people like Corinne, a young 20-something party girl desperate to be famous, knowing that she will play right into their hands. And it's the same with many of the other younger contestants. Someone like Vanessa who was almost 30 when she did the show, would have the maturity to know that too much drinking would not be a good idea, especially in such a highly manipulated environment. Someone Corinne's age wouldn't and many others close to her age. So that's why they cast so many of these 25 year olds. For exactly these kinds of outrageous behavior. 

Like I said, these shows keep wanting to push the boundaries, to shock and always skirt dangerously close to things going really bad and so naturally, inevitably it does. 

Edited June 13, 2017 by truthaboutluv

[Artsda]

TMZ's sources who has seen the footage is still saying she was lucid.

 

'Bachelor in Paradise' Star Corinne Olympios 'Falling Over' Drunk Hours After Pool Sex

http://www.tmz.com/2017/06/13/corinne-olympios-drunk-falling-down-bachelor-in-paradise-demario-jackson/

[ByTor]

9 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

Someone like Vanessa was almost 30 when she did the show, would have the maturity to know that too much drinking would not be a good idea, especially in this environment.

Which brings up a good point.  Again, if we are to believe the story, what happened here is also what happened on Nick's season...Corinne gets drunk, Corinne gets horny, Corinne becomes sexually aggressive.  Now, I'm not sure if Nick just wasn't into her, but maybe Nick was actually smart enough to back off & not take advantage of the situation, since he didn't seem to be drunk & appeared to have all his faculties.  I wonder if the same mess would have happened if he didn't say no.

[truthaboutluv]

Just now, ByTor said:

Which brings up a good point.  Again, if we are to believe the story, what happened here is also what happened on Nick's season...Corinne gets drunk, Corinne gets horny, Corinne becomes sexually aggressive.  Now, I'm not sure if Nick just wasn't into her, but maybe Nick was actually smart enough to back off & not take advantage of the situation, since he didn't seem to be drunk & appeared to have all his faculties.  I wonder if the same mess would have happened if he didn't say no.

Definitely a combination of his not really being into her and being sober and mature enough to see the trainwreck that was Corinne, in my opinion. But yes, it is interesting to wonder what would have happened had that not been the case because similarly, most viewers assumed that the producers instigated a lot of her actions. Hell, when she was going to Nick's hotel room, at one point she took a wrong turn and you hear the person off camera, directing her on where to go. Because Corinne wasn't even that great of an actress.

Edited June 13, 2017 by truthaboutluv

[Alapaki]

My first post about the first episode of the first season of BiP was:

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For those who say you miss the challenges and contests of Bachelor Pad, I think they've basically made "hooking up" the only and on-going challenge required to survive Every. Week.  It's like a whole seasons' worth of Fantasy Suite Weeks.  To which, Dante sighed and started drafting an addendum.

I stand by that.  And what we have now is the logical end result.

As far as the show not forcing anyone to drink, as someone mentioned upthread, and as @truthaboutluv states, the show is cast to have people whom TPTB know will over-indulge if given unlimited access to free alcohol.  When you lead a dehydrated horse out of the desert and to water, you don't have to "make them" drink.

I've said my piece about the gravity of the event in the pool, and the reasons why the victims (which at this point, until new information emerges, include Corrine, DiMario and the unnamed Producer) ought not be blamed.

So I'll just comment on the supreme irony of the show shooting itself in the foot.

This show in particular is the "goose that lays the golden eggs".  With the money they get in enticements to film at the resort the show is probably close to free to produce.  The network gets between 3-4 hours of primetime programming to fill in its usually dead portion of the schedule.  And thus the add revenue is pretty much all profit.

During Nick's season, Corrine showed herself to be a complete and utter asshole who had no business being given another nanosecond of attention.  And yet TPTB used the ATFR to attempt to rehabilitate her image specifically so they could cast her as the "villain" in this season of BiP.  And it blew up in their faces.

When it comes down to it, they don't really even need a "villain" for BiP to be interesting.  The desperation and neediness creates sufficient drama.

This is pretty much the definition of "killing the goose that lays the golden eggs".

[ByTor]

1 minute ago, Alapaki said:

During Nick's season, Corrine showed herself to be a complete and utter asshole who had no business being given another nanosecond of attention.  And yet TPTB used the ATFR to attempt to rehabilitate her image specifically so they could cast her as the "villain" in this season of BiP.  And it blew up in their faces.

This.

[mcmrdh]

with all of that free flowing booze, what the heck do they expect? They encourage that type of behavior...

 

Corrine looks like she stinks

Edited June 13, 2017 by mcmrdh
corrine looks like she stinks