S06.E10: Lemons Into Lemonade

[EDTV]

I thought Froco was a franchise, if its Farrah's own concept then good for her! that's impressive. not completely unique but the mascot and vibe to it seemed ncie.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Eh, I think Farrah's "own concept" was just adding some of her special brand of crazy (the scary mascot, chef uniforms, and crazy sunglasses) to your standard self-serve fro-yo place....she even found one that had gone out of business but was mostly set-up for a yogurt place with minimal re-designing needed. 

[EDTV]

4 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Eh, I think Farrah's "own concept" was just adding some of her special brand of crazy (the scary mascot, chef uniforms, and crazy sunglasses) to your standard self-serve fro-yo place....she even found one that had gone out of business but was mostly set-up for a yogurt place with minimal re-designing needed. 

still impressive for a 20 something year old. Farrah isn't very likeable but she at least is looking ahead of just MTV. The place looks and mascot look very well designed.

Ideally you want to buy something suited to what you are going to run yes, wouldn't make sense to buy a pizzeria and then have to turn it into a frozen yogurt place.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

6 minutes ago, EDTV said:

still impressive for a 20 something year old. Farrah isn't very likeable but she at least is looking ahead of just MTV. The place looks and mascot look very well designed.

Ideally you want to buy something suited to what you are going to run yes, wouldn't make sense to buy a pizzeria and then have to turn it into a frozen yogurt place.

True, I just think that Farrah's harping about her "own concept" is because she wants us to believe she's been planning a dime-a-dozen super unique  Asian-Italian Fusion restaurant frozen yogurt place for years. 

Edited October 19, 2016 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[JBC344]

54 minutes ago, EDTV said:

still impressive for a 20 something year old. Farrah isn't very likeable but she at least is looking ahead of just MTV. The place looks and mascot look very well designed.

Ideally you want to buy something suited to what you are going to run yes, wouldn't make sense to buy a pizzeria and then have to turn it into a frozen yogurt place.

For me, it will be impressive when Farrah runs a successful business.  Or at least makes an honest worthwhile mature attempt at running a business.  At this point she is someone who has money and used it to get a business started.  Not to diminish but when you have the cash to throw at that type of business it is fairly easy to get started.

I would say Farrah is someone who "hustles" and a woman who excels at "hustling" but I don't think that anything she has done has been impressive yet.  If she really gets her life together maybe, but the way that she views reality, herself, and other people, she won't be successful at anything outside of Teen Mom OG.

From the preview it looks like she has managed to scare off her one experienced employee.  Not impressive at all.

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, EDTV said:

I thought Froco was a franchise, if its Farrah's own concept then good for her! that's impressive. not completely unique but the mascot and vibe to it seemed ncie.

It is a franchise. She just changed the name which was really two letters and she changed the mascot and the name of it. Not really anything to praise. It is also not the thing she dreamed for ten years as was claimed by Deb.

[starfire]

22 minutes ago, JBC344 said:

For me, it will be impressive when Farrah runs a successful business.  Or at least makes an honest worthwhile mature attempt at running a business.  At this point she is someone who has money and used it to get a business started.  Not to diminish but when you have the cash to throw at that type of business it is fairly easy to get started.

I would say Farrah is someone who "hustles" and a woman who excels at "hustling" but I don't think that anything she has done has been impressive yet.  If she really gets her life together maybe, but the way that she views reality, herself, and other people, she won't be successful at anything outside of Teen Mom OG.

From the preview it looks like she has managed to scare off her one experienced employee.  Not impressive at all.

I agree. I will be impressed when I see Farrah present herself as an actual professional businesswoman who is educated on the business she is running....one who conducts professional (and legal) interviews, who has reasonable expectations for how the business needs to be run (5 minute set up?), who trains her employees properly, and who treats her employees with patience, respect and dignity.

[ghoulina]

19 hours ago, evilmindatwork said:

I think I was a lot more sympathetic to both of them before Nova. It's really hard to feel empathy for them when you see a half-neglected, half-dressed baby waddling around with a blank face. It's just so damn sad. 

I agree. I was already over Tyler, but they both went majorly downhill in my mind at that point. I don't begrudge someone who placed a child up for adoption the right to birth and keep a child one day. But they haven't improved anything but their bank account! Kids need more than money. And, honestly, Cate is mentally and emotionally much worse off NOW, IMO, than when they gave Carly up. Out of all the people who speak it, these two - I actually believed they were going to go to school. I don't care, it's not for everyone. But they really let me down with all their pretenses. 

 

16 hours ago, SPLAIN said:

I have it on my DVR. I just watched the scene again. Ryan says he does not see Bentley that much. The producer asked him if it bothered him to not see him that often. Ryan responds Taylor is a good guy and...(a pause). To me, it sounded as if he was saying he is not worried about not seeing Bentley that often because he is with Taylor, who happens to be a good guy, therefore, he has no concerns.

I saw it the same way. I almost feel like Ryan is a bit relieved that Taylor came along. I don't think he ever wanted to be a dad, still doesn't. I'm sure he likes Bentley well enough, the same way I like my 2nd cousins that I see a few times a year. But I think Bentley is WAY WAY down low on Ryan's list of priorities. If he sees him, cool. If not, that's cool too. 

[ghoulina]

33 minutes ago, JBC344 said:

From the preview it looks like she has managed to scare off her one experienced employee.  Not impressive at all.

Yea, I just can't see this business lasting because Farrah can't people well. Or at all. She literally cannot deal with people - UNLESS, like her parents, they exist in a constant state of ass-kissery. Imagine if she has trouble with a supplier? Do you see her trying to appease a customer who had something go wrong? No. Farrah knows it all, and she is always right. This business will tank soon. Mark my words. But she'll spin it some kind of way, to try and make it look like a positive. 

[EDTV]

37 minutes ago, JBC344 said:

For me, it will be impressive when Farrah runs a successful business.  Or at least makes an honest worthwhile mature attempt at running a business.  At this point she is someone who has money and used it to get a business started.  Not to diminish but when you have the cash to throw at that type of business it is fairly easy to get started.

I would say Farrah is someone who "hustles" and a woman who excels at "hustling" but I don't think that anything she has done has been impressive yet.  If she really gets her life together maybe, but the way that she views reality, herself, and other people, she won't be successful at anything outside of Teen Mom OG.

From the preview it looks like she has managed to scare off her one experienced employee.  Not impressive at all.

I started and failed at two businesses in my early 20's before hitting it big... it's very difficult to have success in your 1st business, most businesses fail. But I will say, she must be making money really good money SOMEWHERE, because she has an expensive lifestyle and expensive homes and it can't all be financed. 

[LilaFowler]

Farrah's main source of income is called porn.

[mamadrama]

3 hours ago, tumamita said:

OMG Gary & Kristina piss me yet again. Talk about a mind-fuck for poor Leah - what's with all the questions and asking Leah the same things over and over again about wanting to spend time at her moms, etc. When she's with Amber, she seems like she quite content. I also want to add that I LOVE how Gary always made a big stink about Amber sleeping in and in this episode Leah lets the cat out of the bag with her comment about Gary not waking up early. I said this on the last episode thread and I'll say it again - they truly need to get a life.

btw - where the fCUK is Kristina's kids... :-|

I must have been watching a totally different episode. I did not take any of that away from this episode.

[EDTV]

5 minutes ago, LilaFowler said:

Farrah's main source of income is called porn.

i hear people saying here all the time that she barely got anything from that video, like 10k-15k. unless they are wrong.

if shes able to live her lifestyle off of those 2 videos and some molds then i'd say that was a very successful business venture!

[poopchute]

I think the vagina and butthole molds sold well.

[LilaFowler]

3 minutes ago, EDTV said:

i hear people saying here all the time that she barely got anything from that video, like 10k-15k. unless they are wrong.

if shes able to live her lifestyle off of those 2 videos and some molds then i'd say that was a very successful business venture!

The last time someone linked her LinkedIn page on this forum I looked at it.  She has a webcam business FarrahsFriendsLive.  She also has her vagina novelty line.  I have no idea how much money she got from her videos.  I also would not be surprised in the least if she took money to go on dates.  I initially thought Simon was a john but it turns out that he has no money (I think she's basically using him for a story line).

Edited October 19, 2016 by LilaFowler

[mamadrama]

27 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

 

 

I saw it the same way. I almost feel like Ryan is a bit relieved that Taylor came along. I don't think he ever wanted to be a dad, still doesn't. I'm sure he likes Bentley well enough, the same way I like my 2nd cousins that I see a few times a year. But I think Bentley is WAY WAY down low on Ryan's list of priorities. If he sees him, cool. If not, that's cool too. 

I was just joking when I said it sounded like he was talking about Taylor. 

[JBC344]

17 minutes ago, EDTV said:

I started and failed at two businesses in my early 20's before hitting it big... it's very difficult to have success in your 1st business, most businesses fail. But I will say, she must be making money really good money SOMEWHERE, because she has an expensive lifestyle and expensive homes and it can't all be financed. 

I'm assuming that you weren't a vile, utterly delusional person in your early 20's who treats people like shit.  I'm assuming that you took your businesses seriously and put your heart and soul into making things work.  I don't see Farah doing any of that.  If she does I will give her the recognition.

To me Farah is someone who has money and is a hustler, not someone who is a successful business person.  I think her main source of income is Teen Mom, she also has her adult novelty line, as well as lending her name to what I suspect are licensing agreements.  I think all of this combined allows her to live a certain lifestyle but I would probably classify all of those businesses as "fleeting" at best and minimally successful individually. 

Like I said I find Farah to be a hustler and someone who excels at that, but she isn't some beloved celebrity who can just coast on her name for the rest of her life.  If she wants to make an honest attempt at running a business she has a lot of changes to make. 

[starfire]

The guys who I picture paying a lot to have Farrah as an escort are extremely submissive guys into the dom/sub/BDSM scene who are into being berated and tortured and would look to her as some sort of twisted dominatrix.  Farrah could make a lot of money off these type guys and she wouldn't need to have any sort of sexual contact with them, or even in-person contact. They would pay her just to get screamed at and humiliated. She could make way more money off these type guys than she does off the $200 "educational sessions" at Froco.

(maybe she already does)

[mamadrama]

23 minutes ago, EDTV said:

i hear people saying here all the time that she barely got anything from that video, like 10k-15k. unless they are wrong.

if shes able to live her lifestyle off of those 2 videos and some molds then i'd say that was a very successful business venture!

 

20 minutes ago, LilaFowler said:

The last time someone linked her LinkedIn page on this forum I looked at it.  She has a webcam business FarrahsFriendsLive.  She also has her vagina novelty line.  

@LilaFowler is right..."Porn"as it applies to Farrah, encompasses more than just her videos. In addition to the 2 videos she also has a sexual web cam series and adult toy line under her name. The REAL money, however, has mostly been coming from the appearances she has been making at strip clubs. For the past several years Farrah has been performing as a guest at strip clubs, and sometimes even taking on longer roles to waitress. She was at one club in Austin for around 6 months but has also appeared at clubs in LA and Las Vegas. I would not be surprised if she didn't have other business ventures in the adult entertainment world that we are unaware of. 

I am not impressed with her froyo "business." She merely walked into an existing business and changed its name. The only thing she added was a "mascot." It is the same business model that is used at thousands of other frozen yogurt places across the country: walk in, choose your yogurt and toppings, and pay by weight. 

I agree that at least she works, unlike most of the other teen moms who appear content to ride out their celebrity and do little beyond what they have to do, but so far I don't think she has proven herself to be an astute business person; I think she has just thrown a bunch of things against the wall to see what will stick. 

Edited October 19, 2016 by mamadrama

[LilaFowler]

Forgot to mention the whole house in LA thing, which reeks of money laundering to me. She's into some seedy stuff and does not really deserve praise. YMMV. 

[Pepper Mostly]

50 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Yea, I just can't see this business lasting because Farrah can't people well. Or at all. She literally cannot deal with people - UNLESS, like her parents, they exist in a constant state of ass-kissery. Imagine if she has trouble with a supplier? Do you see her trying to appease a customer who had something go wrong? No. Farrah knows it all, and she is always right. This business will tank soon. Mark my words. But she'll spin it some kind of way, to try and make it look like a positive. 

I cannot wait to see Farrah in action when a customer complains! Short changed? You should pay more attention to your money. How do we know you're not just making this up to rob us? Froyo tastes terrible? You obviously don't have good taste and don't understand the subtle nuances of Farrah's exquisite product.

11 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

 

I am not impressed with her froyo "business." She merely walked into an existing business and changed its name. The only thing she added was a "mascot." It is the same business model that is used at thousands of other frozen yogurt places across the country: walk in, choose your yogurt and toppings, and pay by weight. 

 

"I have mastered the art of manufacturing" will never, ever get old.

[starfire]

14 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

I cannot wait to see Farrah in action when a customer complains! Short changed? You should pay more attention to your money. How do we know you're not just making this up to rob us? Froyo tastes terrible? You obviously don't have good taste and don't understand the subtle nuances of Farrah's exquisite product.

"I have mastered the art of manufacturing" will never, ever get old.

LOL. I can only picture how Farrah would respond to a disgruntled customer. "You are a negative person!"

It always makes me laugh when Farrah, possibly the most negative person that exists, calls someone a "negative person".

[mamadrama]

I laughed when Farrah claimed her employees said it was the best training day ever. I am assuming they got dining service from the MTV crew and backstage passes to the VMAs for being good sports? Because that's the only way that day was going to be pleasurable. 

[heatherchandler]

17 minutes ago, starfire said:

LOL. I can only picture how Farrah would respond to a disgruntled customer. "You are a negative person!"

It always makes me laugh when Farrah, possibly the most negative person that exists, calls someone a "negative person".

You're such a NEG-A-TIVE - PER-SON!

I wish I could type it as it is spoken.

[gunderda]

3 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

My kid's pediatric practice did this too. Five minutes late and you had to rebook. No exceptions. My husband is one of those people who thinks he can leave home at 7:15 and be at his destination at 7:00. He learned fast that this was not going to play! I am sickeningly punctual and understand this fully. If they aren't strict they get taken advantage of.

There's a dentist office where my parents live that don't mess around either.  If you have to cancel or reschedule they pretty much tell you you need to go elsewhere and you are no longer welcome as a patient.  Seems harsh but in all honesty just her telling me that has made me terrified of having to cancel an appointment because i HATE finding new places for dentist/doctor lol

[Snarky McSnarky]

never mind

Edited October 20, 2016 by Snarky McSnarky

[lidarose9]

Things have changed so much. When I first became clinically depressed, I had never heard of "depression" as an illness before. I laughed when my doctor told me about it. I agreed to go along with the drugs and counselling, but I was extremely skeptical. After taking the drug for 2 weeks, I suddenly felt so much better, I realized he had to be right. It was the beginning of a long journey for me. I recovered and have had recurrences several times. That first bout was brutal, and more than anything, I was afraid of someone finding out. I went to great lengths to hide my depression because I was SO afraid someone would tell me I was just lazy or wanted sympathy. That would have KILLED me. So I forced myself to get out of bed every day and go to work (on time), do what was expected of me at work and keep up with chores at home. I was good at it -- nobody suspected, even my loved ones. It was a HUGE step for me to admit it to someone 3-4 years later. (The only reason I told her is because she had just admitted to me she'd been hospitalized for depression herself. I was so relieved and overjoyed to know I was not the only one!)

If anybody had said to me the things Tyler says to Cate, I would have slit my wrists as soon as they left me alone long enough. I was hyper-sensitive in the extreme and had no "fight" left in me.

I go back and forth in this discussion as to whether Cate is genuinely depressed or not. I am grateful that as the years have gone on, people are now aware of things like depression and anxiety disorder, and it no longer has the stigma it had back when I was in the weeds. But on the other hand, I see people all the time use it as an excuse to avoid doing stuff they don't really want to do. That is not what depression is like. I do believe Cate is capable of rousing herself and making herself show up for stuff when she is motivated to do so. I used to do that every day when I went to work. It was not the same as actually feeling better.

I understand Tyler and Cate have never had anybody model loving behavior for them, but it would have been nice if WITHOUT WAITING TO BE ASKED Tyler had reminded Cate about the appointment, set his own alarm to help get her up and ready on time or rescheduled his own schedule to be able to do so, or maybe even drive her to the appointment. Not to be co-dependent but simply to be supportive and helpful and loving. And if someone is sitting there expressing suicide ideation to a counselor, they need to be seen immediately by a competent professional and get their meds evaluated. They do not need to wait for this particular doctor. He is just someone Pinksy googled. The copier room person needs to get some help lined up. The massive helplessness of all these people really drives me nuts. 

[CofCinci]

Catelynn had a 2 or 3-person production team accompanying her to the failed appointment.  They most likely tried to keep her on schedule as the day is planned in advance.  She didn't want to go to the appointment and ignored the alarms -- and ignored the producer's knocks on her bedroom door. 

[ginger90]

The thing for me, with Cate is, I doubt very much she ever took her meds as directed. Along with smoking pot, that is a problem. If she was on meds for an extended period of time, for depresson and/or anxiety, a competent doctor would follow up with bloodwork to check her levels. Certainly copy room therapist didn't prescribe the meds. So, who did prior to her "treatment"?

Just wanted to add, she could also have thyroid issues. They could really screw you up left untreated.

Edited October 19, 2016 by ginger90

[DangerousMinds]

I have been on antidepressants and anxiety meds for years, and no doctor had requested bloodwork. That is only necessary with very few medications.

[ginger90]

7 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

I have been on antidepressants and anxiety meds for years, and no doctor had requested bloodwork. That is only necessary with very few medications.

I replied and it went poof! That is interesting. I do know of people who have regular bloodwork done but I do not know their exact meds. Many years ago I was on zoloft. I had bloodwork after 3 months, and then every 6 months after that.

[SPLAIN]

@DangerousMinds and @ginger90 you are both right. It just depends. Some doctors will do blood work in order to rule out any other medical issues. In most cases, the doctor will do a physical exam and ask for specific lab tests to make sure the depression symptoms aren't related to a condition such as thyroid disease, vitamin D deficiency, or another medical problem. If depression symptoms are related to another serious illness, treating that illness may also help ease the depression.

Now, that may be a possible reason why Cate failed to show up on time to the doctor. She may believe she was going to be drug tested as part of the screening.  Dr. Drew recommended the psychiatrist. He may have told Cate up front what to expect as far as what that doctor would require her to do or the office itself may have told her they would do a screening to check for various issues. This is a new doctor for her. She was likely given a prescription by the doctors in Arizona and was advised to follow-up with the psychiatrist. I could see Cate having a screening done in order to rule out any other health issues. She has only been seeing Kathleen, who is certainly not a good therapist and she is certainly no doctor.

[SPLAIN]

3 hours ago, EDTV said:

I started and failed at two businesses in my early 20's before hitting it big... it's very difficult to have success in your 1st business, most businesses fail. But I will say, she must be making money really good money SOMEWHERE, because she has an expensive lifestyle and expensive homes and it can't all be financed. 

She doesn't own the second Los Angeles home. Simon owns it. The whole thing was a sham for the show. People can show off an expensive lifestyle, it doesn't mean they are financially comfortable. That is why people file for bankruptcy. I am beginning to believe Farrah is dealing with that escort company and making money on the side because the girl just can't have enough. Also, one can make 6 figures a year, but if they are spending 7 figures a year, which I think Farrah is doing, she is either going to screw up royally or, she is going to have to bring in more money on the side. Farrah is a lying sack of shit about earning a million dollars for her sex tape. She showed off the residual check, but never the actual pay check. I wonder why? /sarcasm.

Farrah is a well-known tv personality who likely has companies who are willing to use her to showcase their products. They give Farrah a car to drive for two months, that is advertising to MTV viewers.  I am not seeing what expensive lifestyle Farrah is living. The restaurants she eats in? MTV pays for those dinners or the restaurants are likely giving free meals in exchange for free advertising for them. Look at what Amber just did this past episode. She supposedly dropped $900 on clothes for her child, but it was likely comped or reduced in price in exchange for advertisement for the business. Maci and Taylor are constantly showcasing their t-shirt business. Gary did the same with his t-shirt line.

Edited October 19, 2016 by SPLAIN

[Coltee Gal]

On October 18, 2016 at 2:11 PM, teapot said:

 

and wtf was up w/Michael's GF telling Farrah she was her favorite person?  Were the people at that table the only ones she's ever met in her entire life?

that cracked my entire shit up. oh my god so freaking funny

[Feline Queen]

On 10/18/2016 at 0:18 AM, iheartla said:

Edited to Add: 
Someone on the Facebook TM group said Amber didn't actually pay for Leah's clothes. The Boutique gave them for free in exchange for advertising. Apparently this person lives in the same town as the boutique. I realize people can write whatever they want, but this seems likely to be true. That being said, whoever said upthread that 900 is Matt's go to number, the fact that they didn't pay only exemplifies that. 

Can't fool me, MTV.

Considering how overpriced the clothes were, I don't see where it's good advertising for their boutique. Plus those outfits were hideous. But Amber wouldn't deign to shop at The Children's Place or Gymboree because she's trying to portray herself as a 'rich bitch' (tm Nene Leakes) and only exclusive boutique clothes are good enough for her Boo-Boo. Matt needs to stop trying to convince anyone he has any real interest in Leah. If he wants to practice parenting, he should try being a dad to one of his own litter of kids. 

It's April that has a pool not Amber. It's an above ground, so not that expensive. 

Edited October 20, 2016 by Feline Goddess

[mamadrama]

4 hours ago, Feline Goddess said:

 she's trying to portray herself as a 'rich bitch' (tm Nene Leakes)

The original "rich bitch" was Priscilla Davis in Texas. A young mother of 3 who married the first time at the age of 16,she married herself a rich oil-baron sugar daddy (Cullen Davis) and, by all accounts, was a gold digger. She and her husband later divorced and in 1977 she, her daughter, and her lover were attacked. Her lover and her daughter were both murdered; she was shot in the chest. She blamed her ex husband and he went on trial for the murder. She's famous for wearing a gold necklace that spelled out "rich bitch" in diamonds across her chest. 

Heather Locklear played Priscilla in the made-for-TV movie. My mother was Cullen Davis' secretary for awhile.

I am full of useless trivia. 

[lezlers]

Quote

 

Hey everyone!  For some strange reason, my DVR never recorded these episodes. Fortunately I was blessed with a stomach bug that kept me home all day yesterday so I binge watched to catch up.  Posting on these forums is my favorite part of the show and I'm bummed I missed 9 episodes worth of postings!  Damn DVR.

Maci is cracking me up.  Didn't know she was pregnant huh?  That belly she was sporting at the ultrasound place when they were finding out for sure says otherwise.  The girl is a bag of antlers.  A taco baby would be obvious on that girl.  Comeon' now.  Also?  There's few things trashier looking than checking out a venue for a wedding whilst sporting a bunch of tattoos and carrying your infant child while sporting a huge baby bump.  All she was missing was the beer can and cig hanging out of her mouth.

And damn Larry!  I know Ryan is a creep but shit, he's still your kid.  Wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire?  And Jen just had to sit there and listen to that quietly?  I wonder how much of Ryan's fuckedupness is a result of a lifetime of verbal abuse by Larry (not that it's any excuse.  Ryan is looking more and more "special" in each episode.)

Farrah.  God she's a nutjob.  Can we please discuss the glitter gold jumpsuit she wore to meet with their "therapist" on the last episode?  Holy Christ.  Was Dr. Jen having therapy sessions in the back room of a disco?  She dresses so damn inappropriately, it's funny.  And the crazy upper lip.  Was she aiming for "cartoon duck"?  And is her friend "Jenna" Jenna Jamison?  She's clearly a porn star.

I was really sympathizing with Kate until she didn't do any aftercare.  I feel for Tyler in that it's hard to watch someone refuse to do what they need to do to get better while you're forced to carry the extra load.  It's got to be incredibly frustrating.  And I'm a huge proponent of marijuana (the demonization of it is ridiculous) but even I wouldn't advocate smoking it while on anti-depressants.  Bad news.  So Tyler continuing to smoke in front of her (I'm sure he has) is NOT helping.  Gah.  She's working my nerves though.  I would've gone through the roof when she told me she missed that appointment.  Come on.  That was clearly done intentionally.

[Birdee]

8 hours ago, mamadrama said:

The original "rich bitch" was Priscilla Davis in Texas. A young mother of 3 who married the first time at the age of 16,she married herself a rich oil-baron sugar daddy (Cullen Davis) and, by all accounts, was a gold digger. She and her husband later divorced and in 1977 she, her daughter, and her lover were attacked. Her lover and her daughter were both murdered; she was shot in the chest. She blamed her ex husband and he went on trial for the murder. She's famous for wearing a gold necklace that spelled out "rich bitch" in diamonds across her chest. 

Heather Locklear played Priscilla in the made-for-TV movie. My mother was Cullen Davis' secretary for awhile.

I am full of useless trivia. 

More useless trivia....my Nana was on that jury!

[DangerousMinds]

What "extra" load does Tyler have to carry? He is unemployed and has one child.

[mamadrama]

On 10/20/2016 at 9:54 AM, lezlers said:

Hey everyone!  For some strange reason, 

Farrah.  God she's a nutjob.  Can we please discuss the glitter gold jumpsuit she wore to meet with their "therapist" on the last episode?  Holy Christ.  Was Dr. Jen having therapy sessions in the back room of a disco?  She dresses so damn inappropriately, it's funny.  And the crazy upper lip.  Was she aiming for "cartoon duck"?  And is her friend "Jenna" Jenna Jamison?  She's clearly a porn star.

 I actually have mad respect for Jenna. Now she is a good business woman. I wouldn't begin to insult her by lowering her to Farrah's standards.

Edited October 23, 2016 by mamadrama

[Kellyee]

What the hell did Tyler do to this hair?? What is that huge puff of hair in front? And Caitlyn clearly needs more than 30 days inpatient help. She really seems to be struggling, and I don't think she's making it up. I think she self-sabotages, and then beats herself up over it. And the music they played during the panic attack was bizarre.

I didn't think the dresses Amber bought were too "heavy" to wear to school, as Gary kept saying. Leah could have worn the dress, and I'm wondering if it was really her choice not to, or if Gary put that thought in her head. At least Amber is trying to help with her kid, even if she's still a bit messed up.

I would have thought Ryan was on drugs, but I don't get the vibe that Maci would have let Bently go over there alone if he was. I think maybe he's just a lazy loser.

[eskimo]

Farrah's voice over should say "Simon learned that we are filming this week, so he's decided to fly out and passive-aggressively piss me off for a few days." 

They can just reuse it every week.

[SPLAIN]

3 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

What "extra" load does Tyler have to carry?

Cate? He looked so uncomfortable when she was on top of him in that recliner.

Tyler reeks in so many ways. So does Cate. They both have nothing going on that keeps them from doing what they both should be doing. Just as Tyler should be there to support his wife, his wife should learn to let him know what help, if any, she needs from him. He is no mind-reader. No one is. That is why we have a mouth. Hey Cate, your mouth is not just for eating.

As others have noted, Tyler was likely at the new house. How is she supposed to wake her up if he wasn't there?  It was Cate's responsibility to get herself out of bed and to her appointment. She had a house full of MTV people.

If Cate doesn't want to seek professional help, it is HER responsibility to speak up and say so. It seems she has done just that going by the information we presently know about how she and Tyler are self-medicating with marijuana. 

Going just by the scene presented to us this past episode, I didn't hear Cate speak up and tell Tyler she needed help getting up in the morning. I saw her smirk and get defensive with Tyler. She then smiled as she told Tyler she tried to use tears as a means to not having to be turned away from her appointment. I heard her give excuses as to why she got up late and was late for her appointment.

I try to look at it like how an addict behaves. Addiction and depression are both diseases. At some point the adult needs to speak up and be held accountable for their choices and actions. If this was Butch and he was hitting the snooze button instead of getting to an appointment that was vital to his sobriety? Oh man. If Cate was an addict and she was pulling the same shit as she is now?

When there is a concert or Comic Con to go to is Cate hitting the snooze button?

When Cate and Tyler are going on tv shows such as The Doctors, is she hitting that snooze button and then squeezing out tears as she tells Tyler how she just couldn't get her ass up in the morning?

Is she ever hitting the snooze button when it is Snapchat time?

[ciaoformeow]

I felt this episode made it super obvious how guilty Amber feels about not being more involved in her daughter's life. 

Blowing that much money on clothes for a growing kid is silly we all know. 

But I see it all the time from divorced parents (even my own) if one does have the extra money to spend. Its like some subconscious replacement for the time they don't get to.spend with them.

They have a term for it with divorced fathers. They call them "Disney dads" because they want to spend their only small amount of time time with the kids having fun, spoiling them, not disciplining them - because they want the kid to have fun the whole time so they always want to go see daddy. 

Of course kids thrive from norlmacy and routine. They don't need to be spoiled with riches and fast food, etc to love their parents.

But I think these part time parents have a really hard time with that adjustment. 

Plus I tend to think (i wouldn't know personally) that it's even harder as the MOM who is the part time parent. Its so rare to see kids with their father as the primary. I wonder if that makes Amber feel even worse , causing her to be even more extravagant because she feeels she has more to prove???

Anyway what she spend was absurd. Making the comment to Gary about how much she spent was even dumber. It made her Come off as a jerk snob. In reality she probably just wanted it on camera that she does help to provide. But totally came off horribly

[DangerousMinds]

1 hour ago, eskimo said:

Farrah's voice over should say "Simon learned that we are filming this week, so he's decided to fly out and passive-aggressively piss me off for a few days." 

They can just reuse it every week.

do you think Farrah pays for all of his plane tickets to Texas?

[ghoulina]

2 hours ago, Kellyee said:

I didn't think the dresses Amber bought were too "heavy" to wear to school, as Gary kept saying. Leah could have worn the dress, and I'm wondering if it was really her choice not to, or if Gary put that thought in her head. At least Amber is trying to help with her kid, even if she's still a bit messed up.

I'm not sure how spending $900 on fairly formal dresses is helping. She owes Gary much more than that in back child support. Dresses like that are good for picture day only. Elementary school days are pretty active. I don't know too many girls who would feel comfortable sitting in a dress like that all day, then there's recess, story time on the rug, etc. I'm sure the stuff Kristina bought her was much more practical. 

[poopchute]

I doubt Amber knows what kinds of things Leah does at school all day.  

[eskimo]

1 hour ago, DangerousMinds said:

do you think Farrah pays for all of his plane tickets to Texas?

I don't know who's paying for them.  He could be paying himself, because he's got to make more than the cost of a ticket to appear.

[pheebs]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

I'm not sure how spending $900 on fairly formal dresses is helping.

The first thing I thought when I saw those dresses was, "Do you want your child to be bullied?" Kids pick up, (and pick on) the ones who stand out. In that area of Indianapolis, kids don't wear $300.00 dresses to school, ever. Not even picture day. Let her fit in with her cute, "normal," clearance-rack stuff from Target. The one dress, (black and gold sequins) looked like a "New Year's Eve" party dress. For an adult. Amber wanted her to wear that one...

[teapot]

14 minutes ago, pheebs said:

The first thing I thought when I saw those dresses was, "Do you want your child to be bullied?" Kids pick up, (and pick on) the ones who stand out. In that area of Indianapolis, kids don't wear $300.00 dresses to school, ever. Not even picture day. Let her fit in with her cute, "normal," clearance-rack stuff from Target. The one dress, (black and gold sequins) looked like a "New Year's Eve" party dress. For an adult. Amber wanted her to wear that one...

PREACH!  In the 70s I had a lovely red plastic (Charlie's-Angels-esque...I thought it was *something*) jacket.  The mean kids called me "Plastic Woman" & threw it in the trash...

(mind you, it was from Zayre & didn't cost $300 but I must have paid my therapist at least that much...)

Edited October 20, 2016 by teapot