S08.E20: Say It Ain't So

[Rainny]

4 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I am a little ashamed of myself for not anticipating that Luann would suggest what happened was the fault of this mystery woman and her filthy, evil clutches.  Of course she would think that ... because that's how SHE operates. So she assumes other women are that way, too.  Or they are doormats whose feelings don't matter because in her world men are men, women are women and they do what they want and the hell with how it effects people who don't matter to her.

 

I snipped your post for space. 

This part, I don't have a problem with what you are saying here, but it's not just Luann that does this. I have known a few women who's husbands cheated on them and every single one of them stayed with their husbands and blamed the other woman. Even the ones who said that if there husbands ever cheated they would dump him in a minute and take all his shit. Even they blamed the other woman, and then proceeded to blame female porn stars, prostitutes, and female co-workers who may have looked at their husbands wrong or may have flirted with them.

I worked in manufacturing and I saw a lot of things going on, it happens. I think it's the embarrassment, humiliation, and hurt talking.  

[WireWrap]

13 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I think Carole felt Lu's wrath for the simple fact that Carole was taking the whole "good hair don't care" attitude about it all and the person involved was a dear family member of hers. No mystery for me there.

Hell, I know I wanted to slap those chattering teeth out of her damn dome when she started treating the situation the same way she treats people on twitter now.  And I have NO personal investment with that family but I still wanted to beat her ass for being so shitty.

But, the bottom line is that Carole didn't "do" anything to Luann's niece, Adam did.

7 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

What this season has taught me:

If Lu conducts herself transparently and is open about her healthy adult sexual appetites, those proclivities will be weaponized and used against her irrespective of whether or not it's been one week or several years since she offered her two cents on matters of etiquette or the dynamics of female friendships. As an autonomous middle-aged woman, she will be denigrated as a "slut" and "the biggest whore in Macy's window." She will be derided with all manner of giggly exaggerations and/or fabrications from "Lu will go with anyone" to "Lu doesn't even know the name of her sexual partners" to "Lu has sex with 'young boys not much older than her own son.'" All of this because, hypocrisy. And also, rather Kafkaesquely, misogyny.

It's noted in this thread alone that Lu mitigates and whitewashes the actions of men while vilifying fellow women. Well . . . uh, what have Bethenny, Ramona, Sonja, and Carole been doing all season with their insistence that Lu alone exercises any personal agency vis-à-vis her paramours and that she "steals men" with this fabled pussy that's so magic all she has to do is drunkenly straddle men in order to make them forget their decade-long torrid love affairs and five-or-six-or-seven-or-eight-dates-long romances?

HOWEVER, if Lu adheres to more traditional/archetypal female behavior like effusing giddiness over her betrothal; expressing excitement over forthcoming nuptials; and/or deciding that a blacked-out lip-lock from a man with whom she hasn't yet exchanged vows is a challenge in the relationship that she can personally reconcile . . . then she's pathetic, lacks self-respect, is an affront to feminism itself, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

In this illuminating context, I for one ain't got no confusion over why she might try to commandeer narrative control over the pirate debacle and/or struggle to articulate the nuances of her marriage to the Count.

In my subjective view, Bethenny chose this strategy because it essentially presented a catch-22 for Lu. At the very least, she's humiliated on national television and possibly out of her groom to be; in that event, Bethenny is proven incontrovertibly right. At worst, Bethenny has the opportunity to peddle her favorite standby: that Lu is a hypocrite and desperate to boot.

I was incredibly disappointed that Jules didn't stand her ground more firmly but thems the breaks with decency and grace, I suppose.

In other words, Luann is dammed if she does and dammed if she doesn't and Bethenny took advantage of that for fodder on the show, without sharing 1 personal thing about her own life, other than her bleeding fibroids. I so wish, these other HWs would pull the curtain back on Bethenny's real life as she so loves to do to them.

[RHJunkie]

Oh Luann... I respect her decision to work on her relationship and to continue forward with trying to make things work. It's not the path I would have taken in her shoes but it's not my relationship to worry about. What I am going to call Luann out on is how messy her and Tom were in trying to create a cover up about what went on that night that led to his stupidity that was witness and captured as a picture in time. I do share Ramona's sentiments that Luann is in love with the idea of being in love and she really is ready to settle down. She found a man that wanted to put a ring on her finger and maybe it's all genuine love there...maybe there are other motives involved on either of their parts - none of that matters because that's between them. HOWEVER, I do believe that Luann needed a story to give context to Tom's infidelity in a way that wouldn't make Luann look incredibly weak for staying with him. They messily tried to involve Dorinda and when that backfired, they put together their story that it was a fight between Tom and Luann that eventually led to Tom going out for drinks and getting drunk. If there really was a fight, I feel totally confident that that would have been information that Luann would have remembered and mentioned when she was talking out the sequence of events when trying to figure out if it had really happened that past Wednesday. I'm convinced it didn't happen but it was there for some context to give Tom a very tiny reprieve of a man being hurt by a fight that he had with the woman he loves which led to too much drinking and bad decisions. 

I also suspect that in their efforts to take as much attention off their scandal, Luann would now turn the story on Bethenny for being too involved in her relationship. Her natural instinct was to appreciate being told about it and even dismissed the questions about how and why Bethenny knew what she did. Luann said it didn't matter because Bethenny was telling her the truth. It only became a relevant question because days later, Luann needed a way to deflect from the heart of the issue. Luann was wrong for going after Bethenny for being the messenger and she was also being contradicting. You can't say that you would want to know about your partner cheating and when faced with the reality, you tell the messenger to mind their business. Actually Luann, that means that you don't want to know. Bethenny was being contradicting as well. You can't tell someone that they have no self-respect and you feel sorry for them because of the decision they've made and then say that you respect their decision. For the most part, I don't mind how Bethenny handled her conversations with Luann (minus her comments at the party) but I definitely found her over the top with the amount of consoling and drinking she needed to do in order to cope with telling her 'whorish non-friend' that her man is cheating on her. Bethenny is so incredibly hard shelled that for her to get that emotional made me feel that it was put on a bit. 

Oh and the shade Sonja was throwing didn't go unnoticed. Throughout the entire ordeal and everyone seemingly feeling for Luann's predicament, Sonja's words and calmness came across as internal gloating a bit. 

Oh and I live for the colour of Bethenny's jumpsuit at the party. I'm bias though because that colour works really well with my tanned skin tone so I'm immediately drawn to it, lol. 

[psychoticstate]

4 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I think this would be more relevant if her boyfriend filed for divorce.  Bethenny is the one who said something about not being one to sleep with married men.  Since Bethenny does not know the guy from the Turks and Caicos, and no one had any official evidence he was married and Luann said she didn't sleep with him, just made out with him, it sounds a tad hypocritical.  I thought it a misstep for Bethenny to mention that little diddy given her current situation.

Agreed.  If Bethenny's boyfriend hasn't filed for divorce or even a legal separation, he's still married.  Worse for me is that the man is also reportedly the husband of Bethenny's high school friend.

With those facts, B should probably be more careful who she chooses to criticize.

[Castina]

Just watched the show.  Not going to debate what Luann should do or why she isn't doing what a lot of people think she should do.  She is a grown woman with a life full of experiences and if this is the path she chooses to take then I wish her all the best.  I  think she is essentially a good decent human being and I hope it works out for her.  If it doesn't, it doesn't, it is something she will have to deal with.  But I give her KUDOS for how she dealt with that whole mess last night. The cameras, the women, Ramona flinging herself into her arms crying about Mario.  She handled it better than a lot of people would have. 

For me the issue here is Bethenny's motivation in doing what she did and how she did it.  This show is about the relationships these women have with each other and that is where my focus is.  Not on Tom and Luann.  But on Bethenny and Luann.  And the other women.  Bethenny can try to turn this into a "shoot the messenger" moment but it's not.  Luann was fine with Bethenny when she was first told.  It's as the pieces started to come together that she started to tweak that Bethenny's motives were not that pure.   IMO the ONLY reason Bethenny is freaking out and "crying" and reaching for her well placed skg paint thinner is because she herself tweaked that she just jumped the shark and became one of those RH characters that create shit and drama on camera to make good TV without any regard the damage it may do to the person on the receiving end of it. 

And that is what we will probably see at the reunion and why Bethenny is so pissed off and rattled about how that went down.  Because she is exposed.  The thing is watching this series to me it is obvious that Bethenny is the star and they did EVERYTHING they possibly could to edit this as well as they could for her.  And they did EVERYTHING they could to edit Luann as another Tom Cruise jumping on Oprah's sofa.   And still B came out looking as she did.  She gives away too much in her reveal to Luann about how she wants this to go down and how much research she put into this to make sure she had her facts in line.  

All I know is if that were me and someone had a picture of my partner kissing someone else I would want to know but I would want to be told in privacy.   These things hurt but it just adds to the hurt when you find out everyone around you has been discussing it over tea the last few days before telling you because then you don't get to control how you deal with it.  

Bethenny can't say it's all fair game because they signed up to do a reality show when she puts nothing of herself out there.  And a final thought.  I wrote a while ago that I didn't believe the scene on Bethenny's bed with her and Carole talking was filmed during that time frame.  It seemed like an add in.  The conversation where they pretend the four of them just took their trip and how Bethenny talks about her guy and how he wants to marry her.  I was convinced at the time that Andy did her a favour and filmed that scene after the season wrapped so she could put out there she was dating someone special and wasn't hiding anything because it came out in the gossip pages in that time frame that she was dating a married man.   Well her toast at her event in the show last night, where she comments how Carole and Adam are the beautiful, perfect couple and the rest of them were a disaster with men??  Hmmmm...........no mention there of the great guy she was dating who made her reconsider the possibility of marrying again ;)  Andy can do all he can to help Bethenny out with the edit but there are just some things he can't make go away.  

[Nanny pants]

You know?  This season made me a little queasy every rime I watched an episode.  I think it was waiting (dreading) to see what new thing or person Bethenny would be upset by or pissed off about.  And that's just not the way to run a Real Housewives show.  

[ElDosEquis]

I really don't care about who's cheatin' who (great name for a C&W song...)

I do love the frantic scrambling of people trying to 'save' their pals with info that could crush them mentally. with friends/coworkers/bystanders like that, do you really need to pay any attention to what they are saying?  They all acted like ants that just had their hill stepped on.

All the named clothing, friends, business opportunities, courting Jaime Foxx's pals, sitting on watermelons , bleeding vaginas, cheating BF info, pretend detective work and penance isn't going to change the fact that a person is a racheted, skank with no people skills or tact.

And all their plotting just pushed Luann back into Tom's arms.

Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut, you eyes closed and your fingers in your ears - its just common sense.

[snarts]

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I confess that statement offends me just a bit because I happen to be the same age and the same gender and have the same marital status as Luann, which I guess puts me at the same stage of the game, lol.    And I certainly would not consider what Luann is doing as "par for the course" that I am playing on.  What she is doing is incredibly foolish.  

I don't think it has anything to do with age or gender or whether you've been divorced.  People have different expectations for their marriages/relationships.  Society tends to view anything but monogamy as wrong.  It's up to Luann to decide whether what Tom did bothers her enough to walk away from the relationship.  Obviously, it wasn't.  What I don't understand is why Luann is a bad person for this, or as Bethenny so eloquently put it, just a whore. 

I have friends that are in relationships that I would not enjoy, but they're happy, so it's not my place to get mad at them because they don't react like I would.  IMO, Bethenny is far too invested in other peoples' business.  However, the second someone comments on her, she goes off the rails.  I'm so tired of the Bethenny show.  

Would love to see more of Ramona & Sonja dating, Carole doing whatever, Jules upcoming divorce, even John's dry cleaning business.  Anything but Bethenny narrating, criticizing & judging.

Castina -- your post was everything I'm thinking and more.  Thank you!

Edited August 25, 2016 by snarts
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[UsernameFatigue]

5 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I guess great TV would have been Luann having to be restrained from jumping off the balcony.  The issue all season long for me was a certain Ms. Bethenny being angry at someone because they don't share her reactions.  Last night when she and Jules were having their chat it was about Bethenny being entitled to her feelings, next week it is okay for Bethenny to call Dorinda a village idiot because that is her opinion.

I guess Bethenny missed in her sessions with Dr. Amador that part of therapy where you say you don't agree with someone and will support their choice. 

Luann is getting a pre-nup:   http://www.people.com/article/luann-de-lesseps-wedding-details-prenup-tom-dagostino-jr I would expect nothing less from her.  The biggest question is will she be able to continue with the show after the wedding.  Not coming back will have a major effect on her income, and all the bartenders, waiters and the like waiting for a Tom sighting. 

I think this would be more relevant if her boyfriend filed for divorce.  Bethenny is the one who said something about not being one to sleep with married men.  Since Bethenny does not know the guy from the Turks and Caicos, and no one had any official evidence he was married and Luann said she didn't sleep with him, just made out with him, it sounds a tad hypocritical.  I thought it a misstep for Bethenny to mention that little diddy given her current situation.

From what I remember the Turks and Caicos guy was wearing a wedding ring. So ya, I would think he was married and cheating on his wife. As to whether Lu slept with him? I would believe Lu as much as I believe that TomCat forgot he played tonsil hockey with a woman who was not Lu. As for Beth's boyfriend filing for divorce? Maybe he never will. He hasn't lived with his ex for a year. My brother is still legally married to his ex and they have been apart since 1990. Neither has had any interest in remarrying, hence they never bothered to divorce.  Another relative's ex has lived with the woman he was cheating on her with since 1999. The relative and her ex never divorced.  Does she consider herself to be a married woman? Not on your life. Personally I would want the divorce papers but for some people, unless they plan to remarry, it just isn't important. 

[Knuckles]

49 minutes ago, Castina said:

Andy can do all he can to help Bethenny out with the edit but there are just some things he can't make go away.  

Nice catch. And I agree, this is the Bethenny edit. All Bravo will show is what makes Bethy look good, Lu foolish or worse. There is no attempt at equal treatment. That Bethy has truly exposed herself as utterly vicious is on her, Andy and crew have been trying to clean this mess up for her with little success.

I would love to see the footage that ended up being cut...the little truth bomb unedited. Failing that, I hope Lu nails her withered ass to the wall in the reunion.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

1 hour ago, zulualpha said:

The definition of bamboozler is 'to deceive or get the better of (someone) by trickery, flattery, or the like;'  so Bethenny calling Jason a bamboozler is an insult and yes she referred to him as someone who stole from her.  Bethenny needs to STFU about the father of her daughter who to my knowledge has said not a word about her in the press.  I would LOVE to hear his side of the story of his time with Bethenny.  I wish Bravo would give Jason a show so he could get his side out, especially if Bethenny has carte blanch to throw shade at him on camera every time the subject of men comes up.  From what little I saw of their relationship she used him to get a baby then dumped him and tried to keep the baby away from him. Whatever he did to protect himself he was probably justified imo.

 

This! Thanks you said it so much better than I did. I agree 100%. 

[JenE4]

The level of histrionics was off the charts! I can't get enough of the rending of garments and the shakily swigging the skinny girl straight from the bottle. This episode is right up there with Scary Island and Pirategate. Sociology professors should have their students write thesis papers on this episode.

Lu's been so overboard since day 1 trying to convince herself, I think, how IN LOOOOVE they are and anyone who gives pause that she's only known him a couple of weeks is out to sabotage them because they're jealous. Seems to me they all ACCURATELY predicted Tom's behavior after a lifetime of playing the field. Dude couldn't even go one week without cheating? This is the high point honeymoon stage. If he can't hold it together the night before their engagement party, what chance does he have of NOT cheating when the honeymoon stage wears off and they have to deal with the doldrums and stress that typical married couples face? But, as someone astutely noticed, she's totally Ryan Lochteing this. She got in too deep and she's doubling down on her story.

I think you all covered it about Lu, Bethany, and the gang. All I have to add is that I think the vegan ceviche was a cube of watermelon with cilantro on top.

I hadn't read this forum the rest of the season, but I presumed Jules's husband was cheating 1) when he was off on nonstop phone calls when they were out to dinner with I think Dorinda several episodes back, and 2) absolutely confirmed when the kids called her up crying on this trip that daddy hadn't been home all weekend. So their news of the divorce was less shocking to me than Lu staying with Tom, which I thought for sure she would realize she got caught up in the whirlwind or at the very least pump the breaks on the wedding plans.

[WireWrap]

13 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

From what I remember the Turks and Caicos guy was wearing a wedding ring. So ya, I would think he was married and cheating on his wife. As to whether Lu slept with him? I would believe Lu as much as I believe that TomCat forgot he played tonsil hockey with a woman who was not Lu. As for Beth's boyfriend filing for divorce? Maybe he never will. He hasn't lived with his ex for a year. My brother is still legally married to his ex and they have been apart since 1990. Neither has had any interest in remarrying, hence they never bothered to divorce.  Another relative's ex has lived with the woman he was cheating on her with since 1999. The relative and her ex never divorced.  Does she consider herself to be a married woman? Not on your life. Personally I would want the divorce papers but for some people, unless they plan to remarry, it just isn't important. 

We never saw either of the Guys that came back to the house with Luann and Ramona, they were gone before the cameras arrived. It was Kristen that said he was married, not because she saw him or a ring on him but because she heard that from the house manager. At the reunion, Luann admitted he was married and that they talked about their marriages and divorces, it is possible that he was in the process of getting a divorce just as much as he was still married/living/sleeping with his wife. Luann never admitted to having sex with him, only making out. IMO, she did but likes to keep her bedroom stuff behind closed doors when possible.

[Celia Rubenstein]

6 minutes ago, snarts said:

I don't think it has anything to do with age or gender or whether you've been divorced.  People have different expectations for their marriages/relationships.  Society tends to view anything but monogamy as wrong.  It's up to Luann to decide whether what Tom did bothers her enough to walk away from the relationship.  Obviously, it wasn't.  What I don't understand is why Luann is a bad person for this, or as Bethenny so eloquently put it, just a whore. 

I don't personally think those factors are necessarily determinative, either.  It was the use of the expressions "stage of the game" and "par for the course" by the poster I was responding to which caused me to make that comment.  As if Luann is getting to be a woman of a certain age, already with one divorce under her belt, and somehow that means she is in some kind of predicament in life which makes her choice to stay with Tom no surprise.   I don't agree with that. Not at all. 

I certainly hope Luann is not doing what she is doing because she sees herself as being at a certain stage of the game and believes settling for a crap relationship is just par for the course because what else is an aging divorcee entitled to expect from life? It wouldn't maker her a bad person if she made that mistake, but rather it would make her ... well.  Kinda dumb, quite frankly.  I would feel sorry for her.  No woman should see herself that way.  But unfortunately, I know many do.  

That being said, I don't really believe that is why Lu is sticking with Tom.  My strongest impression is that this is a showmance, largely about giving Luann a dramatic story line so she can hang onto her apple. To the extent that it may be real, I think Luann is a lot less troubled by open relationships than she wants to admit and that is why she is merely embarrassed Tom was caught cheating instead of being crushed emotionally.  But I admit there is still part of me that thinks Luann is just desperate to be married and for some reason she has focused on Tom because ... I just can't imagine why.  The heart wants what it wants, I suppose. Throw in a little pride and stubbornness and mix that with her tendency toward double standards where men are concerned, and poof! she is just going to blame the other woman and forget it ever happened.  

I go back and forth between all three theories, lol! 

[izabella]

3 hours ago, Booger666 said:

 New topic - Ramona's face. What is going on with her nose?  It's always been a little off center which I assumed was a bad nose job years ago. Lately it looks like it is swinging far, far left. Almost looks like it is trying to escape her face. Has anyone else noticed this or is the bad boob job totally distracting from her nose?

Between her foobs, her hair extensions, whatever is happening with her face, and her all-over awkwardness in walking and just about everything else...she is becoming more and more of a mess.  It's like she has become a caricature of herself as the years go on. 

[ryebread]

4 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

But I admit there is still part of me that thinks Luann is just desperate to be married and for some reason she has focused on Tom because ... I just can't imagine why.

Whenever I think of Tom, and what he's done and who he is - all I can think is:  "WTF, Lu? Why?"  

Because I just can't imagine why.

Why is she okay with being treated like this.  I mean, even if it were George Clooney with a big, fat wallet and a pecker to match, still nope.  But it's not Clooney.  It's...Tom.

Fine. Give him another chance if you're that desperate tolerant.  But why the mad dash to the aisle?  Still say they aren't going to make it that far, though - I want to believe she's smarter than that.

[WireWrap]

7 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Whenever I think of Tom, and what he's done and who he is - all I can think is:  "WTF, Lu? Why?"  

Because I just can't imagine why.

Why is she okay with being treated like this.  I mean, even if it were George Clooney with a big, fat wallet and a pecker to match, still nope.  But it's not Clooney.  It's...Tom.

Fine. Give him another chance if you're that desperate tolerant.  But why the mad dash to the aisle?  Still say they aren't going to make it that far, though - I want to believe she's smarter than that.

It really isn't a "mad dash to the aisle" though. The wedding isn't until Jan. 1st, almost a whole year after he proposed and about 10 months after he cheated. Enough time for her to determine if he is worth it all and call it off if he isn't. She still has just over 4 months left to decide. LOL

[Roxy]

I thought this episode was boring. That's all I have to say. I'm only saying it because there was such hype and I thought it was going to be interesting. Not. Not close. Boring. Ridiculous how Bethenny made this "her" tragedy but she got to pitch her lousy products more. Works for her.

We need more fun. This show sucks.

[CrinkleCutCat]

Funny how Bethenny's hands were only so shaky shaky when she had her SG booze in her hands! Perfect action for the camera to capture! ::eye roll::

Edited August 26, 2016 by CrinkleCutCat

[Bronzedog]

24 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Whenever I think of Tom, and what he's done and who he is - all I can think is:  "WTF, Lu? Why?"  

Because I just can't imagine why.

 

Because he's the only one who has proposed?

[ryebread]

35 minutes ago, izabella said:

Between her foobs, her hair extensions, whatever is happening with her face, and her all-over awkwardness in walking and just about everything else...she is becoming more and more of a mess.  It's like she has become a caricature of herself as the years go on. 

Really distracting to me last night was at Dorinda's how much highlighter she uses on her brow bones. I'm a fan of a good highlighter, (Hello, Becca Shimmering Skin Perfector - love you so much xoxo) but Moaner was wearing a LOT.

It accentuated the bugginess of her eyes. Especially when she did that close her eyes when she talks thing she does.  It also looks like she's had an eye lift or a brow lift.  Maybe both.  The shape looks different or something.

[ryebread]

29 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

It really isn't a "mad dash to the aisle" though. The wedding isn't until Jan. 1st, almost a whole year after he proposed and about 10 months after he cheated. Enough time for her to determine if he is worth it all and call it off if he isn't. She still has just over 4 months left to decide. LOL

But in real time, she's getting piled on by the general public via social media about what a cad he is and how she deserves better.  Right now, today, and has been for a couple weeks.  If she is THAT in love with this guy that she can't consider what her co-workers, probably her real friends, family and a thousand viewers are saying before moving forward with this guy, than she should go for it. Sigh.

But if my new fiancé had humiliated me like that and we were able to move forward, only for me to have it brutally thrown in my face all over again several months later every time I opened my Twitter, Facebook or Instagram,  I can't say it wouldn't stir up the feelings of betrayal again.   And then, sorry Charlie, I need more time.  You'll just have to wait til I'm ready.  But hey, if she's resilient like that and so in love, she should get on with it. (Although it pains me to say that.)  She seems to be. Everything is full speed ahead, 3 dresses purchased, save the dates sent.  Her words: It's going to be a huge blow out wedding.  I fear it's going to be a huge disaster if she goes through with it.  But I doubt we'll ever know that because Countess has pride, y'all.

[njbchlover]

24 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Really distracting to me last night was at Dorinda's how much highlighter she uses on her brow bones. I'm a fan of a good highlighter, (Hello, Becca Shimmering Skin Perfector - love you so much xoxo) but Moaner was wearing a LOT.

It accentuated the bugginess of her eyes. Especially when she did that close her eyes when she talks thing she does.  It also looks like she's had an eye lift or a brow lift.  Maybe both.  The shape looks different or something.

Ramona's cheeks look fuller (filler, maybe ?), so much so that, to me, it makes her eyes look much smaller.

[Celia Rubenstein]

40 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

Because he's the only one who has proposed?

ding! ding! ding!  I think we may have a winner! lol

[WireWrap]

28 minutes ago, ryebread said:

But in real time, she's getting piled on by the general public via social media about what a cad he is and how she deserves better.  Right now, today, and has been for a couple weeks.  If she is THAT in love with this guy that she can't consider what her co-workers, probably her real friends, family and a thousand viewers are saying before moving forward with this guy, than she should go for it. Sigh.

But if my new fiancé had humiliated me like that and we were able to move forward, only for me to have it brutally thrown in my face all over again several months later every time I opened my Twitter, Facebook or Instagram,  I can't say it wouldn't stir up the feelings of betrayal again.   And then, sorry Charlie, I need more time.  You'll just have to wait til I'm ready.  But hey, if she's resilient like that and so in love, she should get on with it. (Although it pains me to say that.)  She seems to be. Everything is full speed ahead, 3 dresses purchased, save the dates sent.  Her words: It's going to be a huge blow out wedding.  I fear it's going to be a huge disaster if she goes through with it.  But I doubt we'll ever know that because Countess has pride, y'all.

I would not be surprised to see him bolt! Luann is use to the backlash that happens when the show is finally aired, she went through it with her divorce and a few other personal things that aired but Tom is a novice. I don't think anything can prepare a person that is on the periphery of these shows for the blowback they get from viewers/strangers. ZM speculated that the fight Luann says she/Tom right before the cheating happened may have been caused by the press being fed info by Bethenny, Ramona and Sonja via page six and if that is the case, I don't know how he will handle this! Now, if Tom stays the course, they get married, there may be hope for them long term, without a doubt, the negative press, the cheating scandal/humiliation and now viewer blowback will be a test of their overall commitment to each other IMO.

Edited August 26, 2016 by WireWrap

[straightshooter]

1 hour ago, CrinkleCutCat said:

Funny how Bethenny's hands were only so shaky shaky when she had her SG booze in her hands! Perfect action for the camera to capture! ::eye roll::

I see she's attended the Heather Dubrow school of acting.  Either that or the combo of Adderall and adrenaline are just too much for her weak little hands.

I swear, if I never see another one of her crappy products again, it will be too soon.  Beam her up, Scotty! (well - Jim, in this case)  PLEASE!

42 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I would not be surprised to see him bolt! Luann is use to the backlash that happens when the show is finally aired, she went through it with her divorce and a few other personal things that aired but Tom is a novice. I don't think anything can prepare a person that is on the periphery of these shows for the blowback they get from viewers/strangers. ZM speculated that the fight Luann says she/Tom right before the cheating happened may have been caused by the press being fed info by Bethenny, Ramona and Sonja via page six and if that is the case, I don't know how he will handle this! Now, if Tom stays the course, they get married, there may be hope for them long term, without a doubt, the negative press, the cheating scandal/humiliation and now viewer blowback will be a test of their overall commitment to each other IMO.

This is actually what I see coming down the pike.  

Edited August 26, 2016 by straightshooter

[WireWrap]

4 minutes ago, straightshooter said:

I see she's attended the Heather Dubrow school of acting.  Either that or the combo of Adderall and adrenaline are just too much for her weak little hands.

I swear, if I never see another one of her crappy products again, it will be too soon.  Beam her up, Scotty!  PLEASE!

This is actually what I see coming down the pike.  

Heather did the ugly cry, Bethenny did the moisture on her eyes and nose cry with some shaking when the camera focused on her. I believed Heather's ugly cry before I'd buy into Bethenny's moisture whimpering. LOL

[Celia Rubenstein]

6 minutes ago, straightshooter said:

I see she's attended the Heather Dubrow school of acting.  Either that or the combo of Adderall and adrenaline are just too much for her weak little hands. 

The shaking, trembling hands thing has already become a running joke in my house.  We pair it with "If you don't stop talking about me I'm gonna leave!" and it is really bringing the LOL's

[Bronzedog]

The best part of the "if you don't stop talking about me I'm going to leave" was Bethenny response "so leave."

[beaker73]

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Edited August 26, 2016 by beaker73
Technical Difficulties...

[zoeysmom]

4 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

From what I remember the Turks and Caicos guy was wearing a wedding ring. So ya, I would think he was married and cheating on his wife. As to whether Lu slept with him? I would believe Lu as much as I believe that TomCat forgot he played tonsil hockey with a woman who was not Lu. As for Beth's boyfriend filing for divorce? Maybe he never will. He hasn't lived with his ex for a year. My brother is still legally married to his ex and they have been apart since 1990. Neither has had any interest in remarrying, hence they never bothered to divorce.  Another relative's ex has lived with the woman he was cheating on her with since 1999. The relative and her ex never divorced.  Does she consider herself to be a married woman? Not on your life. Personally I would want the divorce papers but for some people, unless they plan to remarry, it just isn't important. 

So a guy is married if he has a ring on his finger, but not married because he claims to have lived apart from his wife?  You have a houseboy claiming the guy was married.  WHy would the houseboy know this and why did anyone care?  Apparently naked guy, Ramona's friend, wasn't too ashamed to hang out and eat breakfast.  It is such a poor example to base character assassination on.  Didn't she say she and the guy discussed their divorces?  By all accounts from the little rat houseboy the guy left after making out on the deck with Luann.  Why was a married  guy vacationing in T&C ?  Sounds like at the very least he was giving off the vibe of being available.   Bottom line, it was a throw away line by Kristen, private detective, who was not smart enough to figure out her husband was burning up the internet with Ashley Madison. 

[UsernameFatigue]

1 minute ago, zoeysmom said:

So a guy is married if he has a ring on his finger, but not married because he claims to have lived apart from his wife?  You have a houseboy claiming the guy was married.  WHy would the houseboy know this and why did anyone care?  Apparently naked guy, Ramona's friend, wasn't too ashamed to hang out and eat breakfast.  It is such a poor example to base character assassination on.  Didn't she say she and the guy discussed their divorces?  By all accounts from the little rat houseboy the guy left after making out on the deck with Luann.  Why was a married  guy vacationing in T&C ?  Sounds like at the very least he was giving off the vibe of being available.   Bottom line, it was a throw away line by Kristen, private detective, who was not smart enough to figure out her husband was burning up the internet with Ashley Madison. 

Ummmmmm, yes? 

[lunastartron]

4 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

From what I remember the Turks and Caicos guy was wearing a wedding ring. So ya, I would think he was married and cheating on his wife. As to whether Lu slept with him? I would believe Lu as much as I believe that TomCat forgot he played tonsil hockey with a woman who was not Lu. As for Beth's boyfriend filing for divorce? Maybe he never will. He hasn't lived with his ex for a year. My brother is still legally married to his ex and they have been apart since 1990. Neither has had any interest in remarrying, hence they never bothered to divorce.  Another relative's ex has lived with the woman he was cheating on her with since 1999. The relative and her ex never divorced.  Does she consider herself to be a married woman? Not on your life. Personally I would want the divorce papers but for some people, unless they plan to remarry, it just isn't important. 

So, "personally, you would want the divorce papers but for some people, it just isn't important" yet a ring* is, by contrast, an incontrovertible sign of an ostensibly closed and continuing marriage? That seems like a very selective interpretation of the traditional markers of matrimony. 

* which I, like Wire Wrap, do not recall in the context of the Turks and Caicos imbroglio

[zoeysmom]

10 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Ummmmmm, yes? 

What if it is a fraternity ring?  What if he just likes wearing a ring?  Bethenny sports a huge diamond on her left ring finger while caressing her married boyfriend's bald head-does that mean she is engaged? 

[WireWrap]

22 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Ummmmmm, yes? 

Not quite, they are both married! LOL Really, if wearing a ring is proof positive that a marriage is intact, then Bethenny "cheated" on Jason after they parted ways because Jason still wore his wedding band for a long time, yet during that time Bethenny was already in a relationship with the frat boy. LOL

Edited August 26, 2016 by WireWrap

[archer1267]

Tom's call to Dorinda made me wonder how many times he's gotten other people to cover for him...without LuAnn realizing. ("Hey Mom, LuAnn thinks I'm having dinner tonight with you, so could you back me up in case you talk to her?")

I would totally lose respect for my husband if he pressured a friend to lie for him like that. It would bug me more than the actual kissing. I looked at LuAnn's FB page earlier tonight and am embarrassed for her. It's rife with commenters telling her to dump him. Meanwhile, she's saying "It happened SIX MONTHS AGO" and posting pics of them looking very happy together. But the more I thought about it, maybe Tom really is her other half....after all, LuAnn made out with a married man in Turks & Caicos and shrugged it off, and tried to get Cat to lie for her about the pirate not coming home with her. Tom's behavior is really a manifestation of stuff we've seen Lu do.

Edited August 26, 2016 by archer1267

[Yolo]

34 minutes ago, archer1267 said:

Tom's call to Dorinda made me wonder how many times he's gotten other people to cover for him...without LuAnn realizing. ("Hey Mom, LuAnn thinks I'm having dinner tonight with you, so could you back me up in case you talk to her?")

I would totally lose respect for my husband if he pressured a friend to lie for him like that. It would bug me more than the actual kissing. I looked at LuAnn's FB page earlier tonight and am embarrassed for her. It's rife with commenters telling her to dump him. Meanwhile, she's saying "It happened SIX MONTHS AGO" and posting pics of them looking very happy together. But the more I thought about it, maybe Tom really is her other half....after all, LuAnn made out with a married man in Turks & Caicos and shrugged it off, and tried to get Cat to lie for her about the pirate not coming home with her. Tom's behavior is really a manifestation of stuff we've seen Lu do.

LuAnderthal needs 2 exit soon, tired of her already. I think she cares for cletus, not sure where he stands. She's sickening! Don't talk about Tom, but she's the one ALWAYS bringing him up. Every time she talks about him it's like she's trying to convince herself/ everyone else.?

PAS BON PAS BON old slut!!!?

Edited August 26, 2016 by Yolo

[breezy424]

God, first of all if a guy has a wedding ring on his finger, that's not the responsibility of Lu or anyone else.  That's the responsibility of the person with the wedding ring.  Second of all, we don't know what that wedding ring meant to the two people who may be wearing those 'wedding' rings.  People 'do' have open marriages.  People 'do' have different vows and what those vows mean at the time.  What gets me is Beth is so defensive about her boyfriend being separated but still married but yet she thinks she had the right to criticize the status of a man when she doesn't know the background of someone else.  Total hypocrisy IMO.  Add to this that I don't remember Lu ever admitting that she slept with this man.  All she admitted to was talking about marriages and making out with him.  And...when this all came up in Turks, my problem was with Ro (who threw Lu under the bus) who allowed a stranger to sleep in the house without the permission of the other women staying in said house.

And yep, I do have a problem with Lu blaming the 'other' woman when it comes to the so called making out session with Tom.  Nope.  This is on Tom.  Just like I don't blame Lu for her involvement with the so called married man, I don't lay blame on the woman who Tom was so called making out with.  Did Tom do something very wrong?  Yes.  Was it as tawdry as Beth claims?  I kind of have my doubts.  Did Tom demand Doris to lie for him?  I didn't get that out of the conversation.  I think it was a case of Tom doing something wrong but not to extent of what Beth is claiming and that's what it was all about and why he went to Dorinda. And Dorinda showed her own hypocrisy by declaring she was so close to Lu but chose to share this information with Ro.

Lu apparently has forgiven Tom.  That's her choice.  I don't buy that Lu is desperate.  She is a hot woman.  I don't doubt that many men would love to have her as a significant other.  I haven't always liked Lu but I do give her credit as a person who is always up for an adventure, very sexual and enjoys life.  Those are qualities that are very attractive and after seeing her special, she's had, overall, a fabulous life.

As to how Beth handled her 'information' about Lu.  This is a whole other thing.  She claims that she got texts.  Instead of going to Lu privately, she went to production.  That tells you a lot about Beth Frankel.  After calling Lu a whore and a fuck doll in the Berkshires, I think she was salivating with joy.  Things didn't turn out the way she thought.  Many saw through the so called angst of Beth.  Lu didn't react the way Beth planned.  Beth 'was' the bad guy....along with Carole, Ro and So who so badly want to take Lu down.  It didn't' work out the way they planned.  For the most part, IMO the viewers gave their sympathy to Lu and how she was treated by these women.

Apparently Beth is now focusing on how 'she' was treated at the reunion.  She hints at lies about her integrity.  Sorry Beth.  You have no 'integrity'.  Some people will believe your spin but I think most will see right through it.  You're just not that fabulous despite your endless instagrams of yourself in bikinis and all the so called fabulous celebrities who you hang out with and who are at your 'estate'.  Bottom line:  How are your products doing?  From what I've seen of your product placement in Liquor stores, not so much.  I don't even see any of your branded products at my local supermarkets anymore.  I give you credit for your deal with Beam.  And yeah, the documents prove you didn't get paid $100 million plus for that deal.  It may have had the potential for that money but your sales went down (according to Beam) and your 'deal' didn't make the requirements.  Beth is just one unhappy person who feels the need to take anyone down that doesn't fall in line with the Beth is greatest ever.

As for Bravo and Andy....say what you may but the viewers are seeing through that propaganda as well.  You're all making fools of yourself.

Edited August 26, 2016 by breezy424

[Knuckles]

The season was a dud, but the reunion might  be fun. Bethy is doing a constant round of apology tours, so even with a favorable edit, she must have had an epic meltdown...one that beats her Berkshire rampage. 

[WireWrap]

9 minutes ago, Knuckles said:

The season was a dud, but the reunion might  be fun. Bethy is doing a constant round of apology tours, so even with a favorable edit, she must have had an epic meltdown...one that beats her Berkshire rampage. 

LOL, I wouldn't exactly call them "apology tours", IMO, they are more "excuse tours". She is using her go to, the "You MADE me go there/do that" stunt. She throws the boulder at someone, we all see her do it but then she claims that her victim was in actuality the bully in the first place and she the victim. In other words, she doesn't want us to believe our lying eyes and ears, Oh Look, it's raining and Bethenny is squatting over us! LOL

I think something big she doesn't want made public about herself, and maybe Shields, is revealed by Luann and she has to make herself look like the victim not just for the reunion but for the whole season to hide/discredit whatever it is. Hence her new campaign of "I only went after someone when they came for my business this season" excuse. LOL

[UsernameFatigue]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

What if it is a fraternity ring?  What if he just likes wearing a ring?  Bethenny sports a huge diamond on her left ring finger while caressing her married boyfriend's bald head-does that mean she is engaged? 

Hard to say - could be a promise ring. Hubby gave me a diamond engagement ring three years before we got engaged. Then gave me another one when he proposed. But I wore the first one on my right hand as I didn't want people constantly assuming I was engaged because I wasn't. Just like when I was given my grandmother's wedding ring. I wore it on my right hand as I didn't want people to assume I was married when I wasn't. OTOH (no pun intended), I can see Beth wearing it just to tick people off. For all we know she bought it herself. I would really miss Bethy if she left the show as how she gets some people riled up is as entertaining - if not more so - than the show itself. Lol. 

Edited August 26, 2016 by UsernameFatigue

[mwell345]

6 hours ago, breezy424 said:

As to how Beth handled her 'information' about Lu.  This is a whole other thing.  She claims that she got texts.  Instead of going to Lu privately, she went to production.  That tells you a lot about Beth Frankel.  After calling Lu a whore and a fuck doll in the Berkshires, I think she was salivating with joy.  Things didn't turn out the way she thought.  Many saw through the so called angst of Beth.  Lu didn't react the way Beth planned.  Beth 'was' the bad guy....along with Carole, Ro and So who so badly want to take Lu down.  It didn't' work out the way they planned.  For the most part, IMO the viewers gave their sympathy to Lu and how she was treated by these women.

(Bold is mine) - excellent post by the way.   I thought the same thing - Bethenny going to production told me all I need to know about what kind of person she is.  The classy thing to do, if production was not involved to begin with was to NOT make it part of the show, and go to LuAnn privately.  There was nothing stopping her from doing that, except her desire to humiliate LuAnn publicly and triumphantly prove she was "right" all along.

But what Bethenny (and the rest of them) failed to realize is that for the most part the viewers side with the underdog (even if they don't particularly like the underdog).  They learned nothing from RHONJ, when Teresa Guidice's fan base soared during the season when the rest of the cast piled up on her and ripped her apart during the season and during the reunion.

I would have thought Bethenny especially was more media savy. But I think that in her mind, she's witty and amusing and a truth cannon.  Well, Brandi Glanville also called herself a truth cannon. 

As for  Bethenny feeling like she was treated badly during the reunion, she can cry me a river.  She reaped what she sowed.  She's probably really upset because her buddy Andy let it happen. 

Edited August 26, 2016 by mwell345

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

Who..... Is that woman in the picture ? Who...... Sent the pic? I have to know ! In this day and age with "hundreds" of people that night at the Regency I am shocked we have not heard who she was. 

[zoeysmom]

12 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Who..... Is that woman in the picture ? Who...... Sent the pic? I have to know ! In this day and age with "hundreds" of people that night at the Regency I am shocked we have not heard who she was. 

What is even stranger, with the hundreds of people at the Regency, why did no one think to hand the juicy tidbit to Page Six, "Countess' Man Caught Lip Locking with Playmate", Ramona was saying it was all over town,  Yet not a peep to the press?  I hate to say but from the quick photo-it didn't look like the Regency was all that packed.  Obviously the managers, waiters, bartenders, had all been questioned, and not a word.  All the cast knew it would be a huge part of the show, no one spoke, but exactly how did the rest of the UES not speak of it, since it was "all over town".

[bosawks]

I picture Ramona behind a potted plant with one of those old throwaway cardboard cameras.

I know that's not how it happened but this is what I choose to believe...........

[jinjer]

7 hours ago, breezy424 said:

God, first of all if a guy has a wedding ring on his finger, that's not the responsibility of Lu or anyone else.  That's the responsibility of the person with the wedding ring.  Second of all, we don't know what that wedding ring meant to the two people who may be wearing those 'wedding' rings.  People 'do' have open marriages.  People 'do' have different vows and what those vows mean at the time.  What gets me is Beth is so defensive about her boyfriend being separated but still married but yet she thinks she had the right to criticize the status of a man when she doesn't know the background of someone else.  Total hypocrisy IMO.  Add to this that I don't remember Lu ever admitting that she slept with this man.  All she admitted to was talking about marriages and making out with him.  And...when this all came up in Turks, my problem was with Ro (who threw Lu under the bus) who allowed a stranger to sleep in the house without the permission of the other women staying in said house.

And yep, I do have a problem with Lu blaming the 'other' woman when it comes to the so called making out session with Tom.  Nope.  This is on Tom.  Just like I don't blame Lu for her involvement with the so called married man, I don't lay blame on the woman who Tom was so called making out with.  Did Tom do something very wrong?  Yes.  Was it as tawdry as Beth claims?  I kind of have my doubts.  Did Tom demand Doris to lie for him?  I didn't get that out of the conversation.  I think it was a case of Tom doing something wrong but not to extent of what Beth is claiming and that's what it was all about and why he went to Dorinda. And Dorinda showed her own hypocrisy by declaring she was so close to Lu but chose to share this information with Ro.

Lu apparently has forgiven Tom.  That's her choice.  I don't buy that Lu is desperate.  She is a hot woman.  I don't doubt that many men would love to have her as a significant other.  I haven't always liked Lu but I do give her credit as a person who is always up for an adventure, very sexual and enjoys life.  Those are qualities that are very attractive and after seeing her special, she's had, overall, a fabulous life.

As to how Beth handled her 'information' about Lu.  This is a whole other thing.  She claims that she got texts.  Instead of going to Lu privately, she went to production.  That tells you a lot about Beth Frankel.  After calling Lu a whore and a fuck doll in the Berkshires, I think she was salivating with joy.  Things didn't turn out the way she thought.  Many saw through the so called angst of Beth.  Lu didn't react the way Beth planned.  Beth 'was' the bad guy....along with Carole, Ro and So who so badly want to take Lu down.  It didn't' work out the way they planned.  For the most part, IMO the viewers gave their sympathy to Lu and how she was treated by these women.

Apparently Beth is now focusing on how 'she' was treated at the reunion.  She hints at lies about her integrity.  Sorry Beth.  You have no 'integrity'.  Some people will believe your spin but I think most will see right through it.  You're just not that fabulous despite your endless instagrams of yourself in bikinis and all the so called fabulous celebrities who you hang out with and who are at your 'estate'.  Bottom line:  How are your products doing?  From what I've seen of your product placement in Liquor stores, not so much.  I don't even see any of your branded products at my local supermarkets anymore.  I give you credit for your deal with Beam.  And yeah, the documents prove you didn't get paid $100 million plus for that deal.  It may have had the potential for that money but your sales went down (according to Beam) and your 'deal' didn't make the requirements.  Beth is just one unhappy person who feels the need to take anyone down that doesn't fall in line with the Beth is greatest ever.

As for Bravo and Andy....say what you may but the viewers are seeing through that propaganda as well.  You're all making fools of yourself.

 

56 minutes ago, mwell345 said:

(Bold is mine) - excellent post by the way.   I thought the same thing - Bethenny going to production told me all I need to know about what kind of person she is.  The classy thing to do, if production was not involved to begin with was to NOT make it part of the show, and go to LuAnn privately.  There was nothing stopping her from doing that, except her desire to humiliate LuAnn publicly and triumphantly prove she was "right" all along.

But what Bethenny (and the rest of them) failed to realize is that for the most part the viewers side with the underdog (even if they don't particularly like the underdog).  They learned nothing from RHONJ, when Teresa Guidice's fan base soared during the season when the rest of the cast piled up on her and ripped her apart during the season and during the reunion.

I would have thought Bethenny especially was more media savy. But I think that in her mind, she's witty and amusing and a truth cannon.  Well, Brandi Glanville also called herself a truth cannon. 

As for  Bethenny feeling like she was treated badly during the reunion, she can cry me a river.  She reaped what she sowed.  She's probably really upset because her buddy Andy let it happen. 

 

10 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

What is even stranger, with the hundreds of people at the Regency, why did no one think to hand the juicy tidbit to Page Six, "Countess' Man Caught Lip Locking with Playmate", Ramona was saying it was all over town,  Yet not a peep to the press?  I hate to say but from the quick photo-it didn't look like the Regency was all that packed.  Obviously the managers, waiters, bartenders, had all been questioned, and not a word.  All the cast knew it would be a huge part of the show, no one spoke, but exactly how did the rest of the UES not speak of it, since it was "all over town".

Excellent posts. Bethenny and her integrity have yet to meet. It's shocking to me how far she has gone from the season 1 Bethenny.  She's tone deaf. "Because I am on a reality show" is not license to lose your humanity. 

What is it about Tom that women are flocking to him?  Sonja, Ramona, the woman Luann "stole" him from, and now this bunny?  He must have some charisma that doesn't show up on camera.

[Gaily]

This is all a set up to drive ratings for the show.  I don't believe that LuAnn would be this desperate to marry some bald man-whore who has less money than she has and constantly cheats with others.  Whether you like LuAnn or not, you gotta admit she's a good-looking woman with a fun-loving personality. She could easily attract any number of well-heeled middle-aged gentlemen who will treat her right.  She seems too smart to go bananas over a famewhore/Slade Smiley type -- she's got way too much game for that nonsense.  And, no, she certainly would not want Ramona's or Sonja's sloppy seconds.  

All in all, I still liked this season. It brought plenty of drama.  But I miss the days of yore -- especially Season 3 with Scary Island and the Kelly Bensimon meltdown. Now, that was great classic Housewives TV.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

24 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

What is even stranger, with the hundreds of people at the Regency, why did no one think to hand the juicy tidbit to Page Six, "Countess' Man Caught Lip Locking with Playmate", Ramona was saying it was all over town,  Yet not a peep to the press?  I hate to say but from the quick photo-it didn't look like the Regency was all that packed.  Obviously the managers, waiters, bartenders, had all been questioned, and not a word.  All the cast knew it would be a huge part of the show, no one spoke, but exactly how did the rest of the UES not speak of it, since it was "all over town".

Yeah, to have stayed on the DL for this long reeks of set up and cover up. IMHO. 

13 minutes ago, jinjer said:

 

 

Excellent posts. Bethenny and her integrity have yet to meet. It's shocking to me how far she has gone from the season 1 Bethenny.  She's tone deaf. "Because I am on a reality show" is not license to lose your humanity. 

She has always been this way, including season 1. The fuck you level of money and the years of attention on reality TV have added dysfunction to dysfunction. Her dad not wanting to see her in the hospital years back? Ten bucks says that was her exaggeration because he didn't want the CAMERAS. He was an intensely private person. On the boat immediately after his funeral she called him a terrible horrible person. She eulogized him just before that! I wanna see his will and know what she said in that eulogy. She is so deranged, manipulative, spoiled, and yes, tone deaf. 

[KungFuBunny]

The sushi lunch with Bethenny and Carole aired simultaneously with Ramona bringing Pinot and chicken soup to Dorinda. Dorinda is telling Ramona about an off camera phone conversation with Luanne and Tom. They switch over to Bethenny telling Carole that Luanne and Tom were bullying Dorinda into covering for them.

I’m curious as to the timeline of these 2 events. I also want to know if it was Ramona who told Bethenny or if it was Dorinda who told Bethenny. I hope it comes out during the reunion and want to see how Luanne answers. Will she deny that the conversation occurred or will she say Dorinda misunderstood Tom.

Also Jules saying that Dorinda told her that Bethenny called her a “sick patient”, this is the second time she used that phrase. Jules said the same thing to Sonja at Mohegan Sun. I do think Dorinda hyped her up and told her that was what Bethenny said.

Dorinda’s shit stirring will come out at the reunion but Dorinda is very good at Reality TV politics and she will Daerobic herself out of it.

I also think Dorinda and Jules are coked up out of their minds.

[Neurochick]

16 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

If we were talking about a woman involved in a long-standing relationship giving her mate a second chance, I could understand not pulling the plug instantly. But Luann has NOTHING invested in this man - other than her pride and a certain amount of desperation to be married/save her place on this show, that is.  Maybe it's worth it to her for those reasons alone, but I agree with others here who have described it as a sad and pathetic situation.

 

Yes, that's what I don't get about Luann.  She and Tom haven't been together for a long time, they really don't have a history together. 

I think Luann chose Tom because those other women, especially Bethenny, really don't like her at all and her mind she was saying, "fuck you" to them.