Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[madpsych78]

My guess is that Derick is an influence, since law seems to be involved. But how, I wonder? Is he doing an internship at an Innocence Project site?

[JoanArc]

 I could see how Jill would sympathize with people trapped in prison.

[Heathen]

29 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 I could see how Jill would sympathize with people trapped in prison.

The cynic in me says Pervis Payne must be born again or some other near-fundie. Born-agains on death row tend to prompt a lot of evangelical support (see: Karla Faye Tucker). 

But maybe Jill has a heartfelt conviction (ha) against the death penalty. I hope that's the case. 

Edited August 1, 2020 by Heathen
Clarification

[Zella]

2 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

My guess is that Derick is an influence, since law seems to be involved. But how, I wonder? Is he doing an internship at an Innocence Project site?

I wonder if the Innocence Project came up in one of his classes, and it piqued Jill's curiosity when she found out about it. There is a law professor at the U of A Law School who has a history of working for the Innocence Project. (I didn't know that off the top of my head, but it came up when I was googling the U of A law school and Innocence Project to see if they had any sort of official presence in the program. Apparently she worked on the case of someone who is discussed in John Grisham's The Innocent Man. I remember reading that book about 10 years ago but don't remember specifics on this guy.) She runs the law school's Criminal Law Practice program, which lets law students work with financially needy clients who are referred to them by the court system. Not sure if Derick has participated in this professor's program or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Innocence Project has come up in some of his classes. 

https://news.uark.edu/articles/52262/professor-helps-free-death-row-inmate-who-spent-35-years-in-prison

 

[madpsych78]

10 hours ago, Heathen said:

The cynic in me says Pervis Payne must be born again or some other near-fundie. Born-agains on death row tend to prompt a lot of evangelical support (see: Karla Faye Tucker). 

But maybe Jill has a heartfelt conviction (ha) against the death penalty. I hope that's the case. 

I looked up Pervis Payne. A synopsis of the case is linked below (through Wikipedia). It was a case that went all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court and notable for allowing victim impact statements to be admissible in court. There is nothing that suggests that Pervis Payne is born again or fundie. Some of the research I found indicated that he had an intellectual disability, which I side-eye, because on another link I found, his verbal IQ was reportedly 78 and his performance IQ was reportedly 82, which puts him below average/slow learner, but not intellectually disabled IMO (need to be below 70).  I also side-eye that there doesn't appear to be any discussion about exploring Payne's motive. It doesn't appear to me like he knew the victims personally, but that the victims happened to live in the same apartment as his girlfriend. He was 20 at the time. (And, well, he is Black and evidently the victims were White, so there's that.)

Payne v. Tennessee

I looked up Derick on the U of Ark website. Evidently he had helped with the writing and research of the proper application of U.S. Sentencing Guidelines (rules for sentencing individuals convicted of felonies and class A misdemeanors). Derick also evidently did work with the Federal Public Defender in Fayetteville. They are essentially a set of attorneys who will represent defendants who are facing incarceration who cannot afford their own lawyer. 

This seems to share some commonalities with the Innocence Project (i.e., working with defendants to prove their innocence). 

What is interesting is that the original Supreme Court case ruling appeared to go in a more conservative direction (like oh hey let's put a 2-year-old White victim who survived, against a 20-year-old grown Black man). Whereas Jill does appear to be promoting an organization that is fighting that, and ultimately leaning more liberal. 

[Heathen]

4 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

I looked up Pervis Payne. A synopsis of the case is linked below (through Wikipedia). It was a case that went all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court and notable for allowing victim impact statements to be admissible in court. There is nothing that suggests that Pervis Payne is born again or fundie. Some of the research I found indicated that he had an intellectual disability, which I side-eye, because on another link I found, his verbal IQ was reportedly 78 and his performance IQ was reportedly 82, which puts him below average/slow learner, but not intellectually disabled IMO (need to be below 70).  I also side-eye that there doesn't appear to be any discussion about exploring Payne's motive. It doesn't appear to me like he knew the victims personally, but that the victims happened to live in the same apartment as his girlfriend. He was 20 at the time. (And, well, he is Black and evidently the victims were White, so there's that.)

Payne v. Tennessee

I looked up Derick on the U of Ark website. Evidently he had helped with the writing and research of the proper application of U.S. Sentencing Guidelines (rules for sentencing individuals convicted of felonies and class A misdemeanors). Derick also evidently did work with the Federal Public Defender in Fayetteville. They are essentially a set of attorneys who will represent defendants who are facing incarceration who cannot afford their own lawyer. 

This seems to share some commonalities with the Innocence Project (i.e., working with defendants to prove their innocence). 

What is interesting is that the original Supreme Court case ruling appeared to go in a more conservative direction (like oh hey let's put a 2-year-old White victim who survived, against a 20-year-old grown Black man). Whereas Jill does appear to be promoting an organization that is fighting that, and ultimately leaning more liberal. 

I'm familiar with Pervis Payne's case, in general terms. My comment about Jill's motivation was cynical. It's wildly off topic so I will keep my points to myself about the arbitrary benchmark IQ of 70 designating intellectual disability. 

[Growsonwalls]

There is actually a strong movement of criminal justice in the Southern Baptist Church. But it's a big church and not everyone takes to this movement. I'm kind of (pleasantly) surprised Jill has. Maybe she's not 100% doing it for the right reasons but the fact that she's doing it at all is amazing considering I could never picture JimBob having compassion towards a man like Pervis Payne.

[Snow Fairy]

The Dillards went to church today. Even the kids wore masks

[Sew Sumi]

At least they sat in the balcony, and it doesn't seem like they were sitting on top of other people. 

[GeeGolly]

10 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

At least they sat in the balcony, and it doesn't seem like they were sitting on top of other people. 

So true. What a contrast to the Jrod wedding. What a contrast to many pictures of events happening throughout the country.

The Dillards score an A+ on this one.

[Ijustwantsomechips]

On 7/31/2020 at 12:01 AM, Temperance said:

It looks to me that they want to go Louisiana. Louisiana is doing slightly better than Texas, but it's still a hotspot. It's better to stay home. 

Part of Louisiana is doing better...the southern half...not so much.  East Baton Rouge parish has more COVID cases that Orleans parish right now. Maybe she was trying to go the Audubon Zoo (which is awesome BTW), but there’s no way I’d come anywhere along the I-10 corridor between Louisiana and Florida. We’re neck and neck with Mississippi in per capita cases. That’s scary considering I have to drive to Mississippi this afternoon. I refuse to come out of my hotel unnecessarily, or go into any restaurants or gas stations. Fortunately, the hotels disinfects the room and then seals the doors until you enter. That makes me feel a little better. 

[dariafan]

5 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

So true. What a contrast to the Jrod wedding. What a contrast to many pictures of events happening throughout the country.

The Dillards score an A+ on this one.

Okay , who Dillard’s get an A+ on their 2020 hellscape bingo card ?

[GeeGolly]

Has Jill assisted with any births lately? 

[Zella]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Has Jill assisted with any births lately? 

The last I remember her helping with is Jessa having Ivy last year. 

[QuinnInND]

Jill has been oddly quiet lately. Hope there's nothing wrong. 

[Zella]

Has Derick also been quiet?

[fonfereksglen]

16 minutes ago, Zella said:

Has Derick also been quiet?

Since this is the summer between year 2 and 3, wouldn't he be doing an internship in the field he wants to be hired?  Even possibly with a firm that wants to hire him?  That's usually how it works.

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, fonfereksglen said:

Since this is the summer between year 2 and 3, wouldn't he be doing an internship in the field he wants to be hired?  Even possibly with a firm that wants to hire him?  That's usually how it works.

I assume so. I just didn't know if he went radio silent at the same time she did or if he's been posting like normal or has been quiet for even longer than she has. 

[Sew Sumi]

They might be on that vacation on the Louisiana coast that Jill was inquiring about a few weeks ago.

Edited August 13, 2020 by Sew Sumi

[GeeGolly]

They were looking to vacation in the Louisiana area not that long ago. But I would think Jill would be posting vaca pics if they were. Going this long without posting isn't the norm for Jill.

Great minds think alike @Sew Sumi.

[QuinnInND]

44 minutes ago, Zella said:

Has Derick also been quiet?

Derelicts last Instagram post was May 17 when he posted on Jills birthday.  Jills last post was July 25.

Edited August 13, 2020 by QuinnInND

[DangerousMinds]

If they are currently on vacation, they are smart not to post about it in real time.

[Zella]

8 minutes ago, QuinnInND said:

Derelicts last Instagram post was May 17 when he posted on Jills birthday.  Jills last post was July 25.

Interesting. I just checked his Twitter, and he last posted there or replied there on July 24. One of his last responses to someone he said "we" have been watching Parks and Rec. 

[lookeyloo]

They have been watching Parks and Rec?  What??  How can Jill process all that?

[galaxychaser]

Chris Pratt is very religious so Dereck probably feels okay watching his shows/movies

[Girl in a Cardigan]

But one the first season's episodes (or the season premiere of season 2) is about gay penguins, so I'm very curious about how discussion or watching that episode went down. 🤔 I mean, there's backlash against Leslie for the wedding, but she does it anyway and she's clearly the hero of the episode. 

[Zella]

I've never actually watched Parks and Rec, so I don't know what the content is like. I was just surprised by how mainstream and normal that seemed. 

[awaken]

5 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

They were looking to vacation in the Louisiana area not that long ago. But I would think Jill would be posting vaca pics if they were. Going this long without posting isn't the norm for Jill.

Great minds think alike @Sew Sumi.

Agree. She posts if they go out in the back yard or she folds laundry. I’m sure if they were on vacation we’d be barraged with photos. 

[Sew Sumi]

I hope it's not covid related. 

[Zella]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

I hope it's not covid related. 

FWIW, I'm not going to say things are great in NWA virus-wise--both Benton and Washington Counties have 200+ active cases--but considering how things were playing out a couple of months ago with hundreds of new cases a day in those counties, it has calmed down. NE Arkansas is now the new state hotspot. 😞 

[Snow Fairy]

Didn't she have an Instagram story recently? I remember seeing one, but I don't know when

[libgirl2]

On 8/4/2020 at 9:36 AM, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Part of Louisiana is doing better...the southern half...not so much.  East Baton Rouge parish has more COVID cases that Orleans parish right now. Maybe she was trying to go the Audubon Zoo (which is awesome BTW), but there’s no way I’d come anywhere along the I-10 corridor between Louisiana and Florida. We’re neck and neck with Mississippi in per capita cases. That’s scary considering I have to drive to Mississippi this afternoon. I refuse to come out of my hotel unnecessarily, or go into any restaurants or gas stations. Fortunately, the hotels disinfects the room and then seals the doors until you enter. That makes me feel a little better. 

My supervisor went on vacation with her mother to Mississippi.  She insisted they would just be at their beach house. Yesterday she posted that she was out shopping. Arghhh.....

[doodlebug]

On 8/13/2020 at 6:10 PM, DangerousMinds said:

If they are currently on vacation, they are smart not to post about it in real time.

It's also possible they're staying someplace where they don't have internet access.

Parks and Rec, besides the penguin episode, has a heroine, Leslie, played by Amy Poehler, who becomes a gay icon because of the penguin wedding and she's genuinely excited and honored about it.  They've also got plenty of couples cohabitating, a female character who decides to become a single mother using a sperm donor (turns out a little different, but that was the plan) and also has a town filled with quirky, odd people who actually celebrate and enjoy their differences.  Not very Duggarlike.

Then, there is the religious cult that predicts the end of the world every year.

It's actually a funny and heartwarming series, I re-watched it during quarantine because it just makes me feel good.

[galaxychaser]

I’m going to watch it after I finish arrested development 

[GeeGolly]

I clicked through Jill's posts back through March. It seems nearly each month, with no rhyme or reason, she goes a week to 10 days without posting. She may do more IG stories during that time, but there's no way to know.

I wonder if she finds herself getting too caught up in SM and purposely takes breaks. I hope the reason she's been absent so long this time doesn't include covid or Duggar drama.

[Scarlett45]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I clicked through Jill's posts back through March. It seems nearly each month, with no rhyme or reason, she goes a week to 10 days without posting. She may do more IG stories during that time, but there's no way to know.

I wonder if she finds herself getting too caught up in SM and purposely takes breaks. I hope the reason she's been absent so long this time doesn't include covid or Duggar drama.

I think she’s just taking a break.
 

Sometimes “normal people” take breaks if nothing interesting is going on or if they are very stressed out. I don’t think Jill’s life is particularly interesting, but she is raising two small boys and that is relatable to a lot of people. But if it’s one of those weeks nothing is going as planned posting may be the furthest thing from her mind. 

[Trillium]

17 hours ago, doodlebug said:

It's also possible they're staying someplace where they don't have internet access.

Parks and Rec, besides the penguin episode, has a heroine, Leslie, played by Amy Poehler, who becomes a gay icon because of the penguin wedding and she's genuinely excited and honored about it.  They've also got plenty of couples cohabitating, a female character who decides to become a single mother using a sperm donor (turns out a little different, but that was the plan) and also has a town filled with quirky, odd people who actually celebrate and enjoy their differences.  Not very Duggarlike.

Then, there is the religious cult that predicts the end of the world every year.

It's actually a funny and heartwarming series, I re-watched it during quarantine because it just makes me feel good.

Don’t forget when they teach safe sex to senior citizens, some of whom are engaging in group sex. And there’s the abstinence only couple where the husband is clearly deeeeeep in the closet.  Parks and Rec is literally one of my favorite shows ever, and one I don’t mind if my kids see. But it definitely a pro LGBTQ+, pro choice, left leaning show. Not that those topics are heavy handed, but for Jill, I’m sure it’s pro a lot of things she was taught were evil. Hopefully it’s a positive experience for her to expand her thinking.  

[doodlebug]

22 hours ago, Trillium said:

Don’t forget when they teach safe sex to senior citizens, some of whom are engaging in group sex. And there’s the abstinence only couple where the husband is clearly deeeeeep in the closet.  Parks and Rec is literally one of my favorite shows ever, and one I don’t mind if my kids see. But it definitely a pro LGBTQ+, pro choice, left leaning show. Not that those topics are heavy handed, but for Jill, I’m sure it’s pro a lot of things she was taught were evil. Hopefully it’s a positive experience for her to expand her thinking.  

And we musn't forget Ron Swanson and his one dimensional relationship with his second ex-wife Tammy Two.  I also seem to recall the females on this show talking about enjoying sex and actually seeking it out.  Donna was not married for much of the series but made it clear that she was a sexual being and she enjoyed the company of many different men.  And she didn't apologize for it nor did her friends and coworkers think less of her because of it.

I, too, LIT-erally think Parks and Rec is one of my very favorites.  Speaking of Chris, how about his relationship with Jerry's daughter, Millicent?  

Edited August 16, 2020 by doodlebug

[floridamom]

Perhaps Derick was joking when he said they were watching Parks and Rec?

[Trillium]

3 hours ago, doodlebug said:

And we musn't forget Ron Swanson and his one dimensional relationship with his second ex-wife Tammy Two.  I also seem to recall the females on this show talking about enjoying sex and actually seeking it out.  Donna was not married for much of the series but made it clear that she was a sexual being and she enjoyed the company of many different men.  And she didn't apologize for it nor did her friends and coworkers think less of her because of it.

I, too, LIT-erally think Parks and Rec is one of my very favorites.  Speaking of Chris, how about his relationship with Jerry's daughter, Millicent?  

And one cannot forget the iconic Brandi Maxxxx. I’d love to see Jill watching these episodes. If her prior life was watching Andy Griffith, I can’t image how she feels when Brandi describes what pornography is. Now, if we can get her to watch The Good Place, she’s really be branching out since it basically dismantled everything she grew up believing. 

[Zella]

33 minutes ago, floridamom said:

Perhaps Derick was joking when he said they were watching Parks and Rec?

It didn't seem that way. He was making conversation with someone fairly civilly--or seemed to be. I got the impression he knew the person he was talking to and they were comparing notes on what they had been up to. I think Derick does lie and that he can tell jokes that only he finds funny, but that was not at all the vibe I got from that reply. 

Edited August 16, 2020 by Zella

[Zella]

Okay maybe not someone they know. The poster was someone who was actually responding to a tweet of Jill's and mentioned Parks and Rec and then Derick chimed in to say they were watching it too.

I tried and failed to upload a screenshot, but you can see the conversation in his replies. Someone else asked him about their religious beliefs and what they watched, and he didn't respond. 

 

[ginger90]

 

Here’s the tweet:

 

 

[Zella]

54 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

 

Here’s the tweet:

 

 

Thank you! My efforts to screenshot that and upload the pic ended in disaster. Lol

[crazy8s]

so it seems he replied to Claire Burgess  a blogger with a book on gardening in small spaces

[lookeyloo]

Maybe derick thinks it is code for nookie

[QuinnInND]

And still silence on social media from them. Very odd.

[BigBingerBro]

Perhaps Jill's therapist recommended a break from social media.  

[crazy8s]

I hope so - I think Jill would be better off without the million plus following and everyone giving their opinion on every single thing she posts. neither the fawning fans or the critics will help her figure out who she really is and who she might become

it would be a hard thing for her to let go of that, since she has been conditioned from childhood on that everything she does is special, noteworthy or might make a few bucks

[awaken]

8 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

Perhaps Jill's therapist recommended a break from social media.  

Let’s hope so!  That seems like it would be a very healthy move for the family.