Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Stevie Nicks]

Throwing good money after bad, as the saying goes. 

[ScorpioSoul]

Of course the idiot is going to try to appeal again.

[Zella]

Josh's appeals seem to be the most determination I've ever seen out of him. Probably because someone else has to do all the work and pay for it. 

Edited August 20, 2023 by Zella

[Scarlett45]

11 hours ago, Zella said:

Josh's appeals seem to be the most determination I've ever seen out of him. Probably because someone else has to do all the work and pay for it. 

Yes the appeals don’t require him to do anything. Also prison is very unpleasant and as such he wants to get out of there. 

[Minivanessa]

I did a quick drive-by on Google about prison pen pals. It seems to be quite an active thing, but IMO subject to exploitation on both sides and just so icky-squicky that I didn't dive into it any farther. That said, I wonder if J'inmate, when he gets his privileges back, will acquire any pen pals.

Here's why I think he would: from his teen years on, he's had his own secret activities, apart from his family and wife. Adult porn viewing, Ashley Madison, [adult consensual] sex outside marriage, and CSAM. And that's the stuff that's been discovered and made public. Now he's in prison with his activities limited and monitored, and his wife and maybe other relatives will visit and correspond with him. We know that Anna and JB think J'inmate is going to be saving souls for Jesus while inside those walls and he'll probably have to go along with that no matter what he really thinks about it. If he can develop pen pal relationships, that could be secret stuff that he wouldn't have to share with his family. 

Whatever he does while locked up, we know that in Jessa's admiring description, he's "sly." And will live as much as possible with some stuff going on that he doesn't share with his "bestie" Anna, or his dad, or any of his family. 

Edited August 20, 2023 by Jeeves

[merylinkid]

Oh he is definitely going to have pen pals, who will send him money even if it means going without themselves.

Alex Murdaugh had one person actually say "Sorry i didn't send money this week, I didn't get paid, will send when I next get paid."   Which is all kinda levels of squick.   So I have no doubt that FF will have "pen pals."  he might even lean into the "saving souls for jesus" angle if it gets people to send money.

[Scarlett45]

5 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Oh he is definitely going to have pen pals, who will send him money even if it means going without themselves.

Alex Murdaugh had one person actually say "Sorry i didn't send money this week, I didn't get paid, will send when I next get paid."   Which is all kinda levels of squick.   So I have no doubt that FF will have "pen pals."  he might even lean into the "saving souls for jesus" angle if it gets people to send money.

Yes. I also wouldn’t be surprised if there were people who watched him on tv that were “fans” of his, still want to write him. Serial killers get fan mail and money in prison. 

[GeeGolly]

Who was it? Maybe Ted Bundy - who had a quickie by the soda machine and got a fan/friend pregnant. Then married her in the middle of his court case.

Thank goodness FF won't ever have that chance.

[oliviabenson]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Who was it? Maybe Ted Bundy - who had a quickie by the soda machine and got a fan/friend pregnant. Then married her in the middle of his court case.

Thank goodness FF won't ever have that chance.

Yep Ted Bundy did that…

[Gemma Violet]

I know we've talked about Anna living in the big house instead of the warehouse, but did we know it was because she was allegedly reported to the authorities for having children in an unzoned building? I know we've speculated about it, but I don't remember if there was confirmation.  WOACB has the police paperwork on her latest video and the timelines seem to match.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Gemma Violet

[Salacious Kitty]

So I watched the EXCLUSIVE video. 🙄 It sounds like someone from Reddit reported them to the police, not even the right department, which shows they're not local. Anyone can look up the Duggars' home and warehouse addresses. The informant didn't seem to be able to provide any other details. It doesn't seem like anyone ever looked into this. If so, there weren't any known repercussions.

[Gemma Violet]

48 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

f so, there weren't any known repercussions.

We had heard around that time that Anna and the kids had moved into the main house and were no longer living in the warehouse.  Since the paperwork shows that the situation was reported, I'm thinking she was advised by the authorities that she had to find another residence, hence the move to the main house.

[Salacious Kitty]

There's no definitive proof that they moved to the big house. James lives in some part of the warehouse, but his room doesn't look like what we saw of the warehouse when we saw Smuganna living there. 

Edited August 26, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[GeeGolly]

What did the report turn up?  Was the building only zoned for commercial/industrial use? Rural areas (and downtowns) are often zoned for mixed use. More so commercial and residential than industrial and residential.

Think shops and/or offices with apartments above them. Farms. The Duggar car lot.

[Salacious Kitty]

45 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

What did the report turn up?  Was the building only zoned for commercial/industrial use? Rural areas (and downtowns) are often zoned for mixed use. More so commercial and residential than industrial and residential.

Think shops and/or offices with apartments above them. Farms. The Duggar car lot.

AFAIK, the warehouse is strictly zoned commercial. The main issue raised in the complaint was that children were living there. 

[Notabug]

1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

AFAIK, the warehouse is strictly zoned commercial. The main issue raised in the complaint was that children were living there. 

Even if the warehouse was zoned residential, I doubt that code in their community allows people to live in windowless buildings.  The fact that most, if not all, of the portion of the building where Anna and the kids lived had no windows would've made living there a violation of building code.  I could also see CPS having guidelines for dwellings that indicate that children cannot live in a structure with only one means of egress.

[Salacious Kitty]

33 minutes ago, Notabug said:

Even if the warehouse was zoned residential, I doubt that code in their community allows people to live in windowless buildings.  The fact that most, if not all, of the portion of the building where Anna and the kids lived had no windows would've made living there a violation of building code.  I could also see CPS having guidelines for dwellings that indicate that children cannot live in a structure with only one means of egress.

Oh, absolutely agree. The only windows in the entire dwelling were french doors in the nursery (front door doesn't really count). 

https://images.app.goo.gl/twiGuiyRxPiZLTJk9

Edited August 26, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[GeeGolly]

I agree a windowless home is sad and dreary but the warehouse has plenty of exits, even with only one window. It has 3 doors, two with at least windows for the sun to come in. Below is the front and back. 

 

Here's the workshop area from the front.

Edited August 26, 2023 by GeeGolly

[Salacious Kitty]

So there's a window in the back. No clue where that corresponds to the floor plan, such as it is. But there's only the front door and french doors in what they used as the nursery for escape. Who knows if that window in the back was even operational. 

[scriggle]

I don't know about Arkansas, but in my state bedrooms are required to have a minimum of two means of egress, a door and one window. The warehouse fails that test.

[Quilt Fairy]

To be clear, from what I've read on Reddit, the actual police report is a year old, but Miss Balls (aka She Who Must Not Be Named) did the video recently, so the whole thing is being churned up again.  She must be hurting for content. 

[GeeGolly]

22 minutes ago, scriggle said:

I don't know about Arkansas, but in my state bedrooms are required to have a minimum of two means of egress, a door and one window. The warehouse fails that test.

The door and window egresses in a bedroom are the door into the rest of the house and a window to be able to exit to outside. Or two doors - one into the living area and one to exit the house.

I have no idea how the house is set up, but if they have three bedrooms, one with the French doors, one with the backdoor and one with the window, they would be within code.

With that said, a warehouse is no place to raise kids, but then again, neither is the TTH.

This is just one example of how having a parent in jail impacts the entire family. How sad it is the M&Ms will live almost every day of their lives with their father's crimes impacting them in some way or another.

[Salacious Kitty]

18 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

To be clear, from what I've read on Reddit, the actual police report is a year old, but Miss Balls (aka She Who Must Not Be Named) did the video recently, so the whole thing is being churned up again.  She must be hurting for content. 

Yes, WOACB said it was about a year old, basically coinciding with the timing of the rumors that Anna had moved to the Big House. But that was all conjecture at the time and to date has never been substantiated. We don't know where Anna and kids are living these days, other than the fact she was in NWA to attend the wake of someone who she only knew because of her relationship with her lawyer.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[Gemma Violet]

4 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

To be clear, from what I've read on Reddit, the actual police report is a year old, but Miss Balls (aka She Who Must Not Be Named) did the video recently, so the whole thing is being churned up again.  She must be hurting for content. 

According to her video, the person who filed the complaint reached out to WOACB some time after the June 2023 Sun article about Anna being kicked out.  

[Fosca]

It makes sense if they're living in the TTH; the dorms are already set up, and it doesn't look like Pest is getting out any time soon.  

 

[GeeGolly]

Who still lives at home? Jana may have a tiny home, but it looked more like a she-shed to me. Does Laura still live with them? And where do Jason (not counting the treehouse) and James live?

Then there's Jackson, Tyler, Hannah, Jenny, Jordyn and Josie. 

So they'd be adding Anna, Mack, Michael, Marcus, Meredith, Mason, Maryella and Madyson.

A possible total of 11 females and 7 males.

Maybe Anna, Laura and Jana share the laundry suite. If not, poor Jana.

[Absolom]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Jana may have a tiny home, but it looked more like a she-shed to me.

She has both.  The she-shed is in the garden and the tiny home is next to the big house.

[Westiepeach]

"The Big House." hehehehehe. That will never not be funny to me.

[Absolom]

Yes, done with intent.

[YupItsMe]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Who still lives at home? Jana may have a tiny home, but it looked more like a she-shed to me. Does Laura still live with them? And where do Jason (not counting the treehouse) and James live?

Then there's Jackson, Tyler, Hannah, Jenny, Jordyn and Josie. 

So they'd be adding Anna, Mack, Michael, Marcus, Meredith, Mason, Maryella and Madyson.

A possible total of 11 females and 7 males.

Maybe Anna, Laura and Jana share the laundry suite. If not, poor Jana.

That’s a normal amount for them. 

[Zella]

3 hours ago, Westiepeach said:

"The Big House." hehehehehe. That will never not be funny to me.

On a similar note, whenever they refer to being married as doing time, I always lose it. 

Doing time at the Big House! 😂😂😂

[Salacious Kitty]

Anna's sister Esther, the one in Zambia, is pregnant with #14. Anna must be livid. 

[all fall down]

Priscilla should be on track to have another one in 2024 too, so I'm sure she'll be announcing any time in the next 6 months. I'm sure that'll make Anna even more mad. The 3 of them always seemed to rotate who was having a baby, Anna in the odd years, and Esther & Pris the following even year, then Anna again in the odd year. Rinse and repeat for a decade. 

[Salacious Kitty]

13 minutes ago, all fall down said:

Priscilla should be on track to have another one in 2024 too, so I'm sure she'll be announcing any time in the next 6 months. I'm sure that'll make Anna even more mad. The 3 of them always seemed to rotate who was having a baby, Anna in the odd years, and Esther & Pris the following even year, then Anna again in the odd year. Rinse and repeat for a decade. 

Yup, Prissy is due for an announcement. 

[all fall down]

It's sad how predictable their baby announcements are. 

[Salacious Kitty]

2 minutes ago, all fall down said:

It's sad how predictable their baby announcements are. 

I was hoping that at 42, Esther was done. 

[all fall down]

Same. By the time 2026 rolls around, she will be 44. Possible she could still have another. I hope not for her sake. John won't care though. 

 

I wonder if Anna is somewhere deep down releived to never have to be pregnant again. I know she thinks having babies is her duty as a wife, but maybe deep down she's glad she doesn't have to be pregnant again. 

[libgirl2]

Just now, all fall down said:

I wonder if Anna is somewhere deep down releived to never have to be pregnant again. I know she thinks having babies is her duty as a wife, but maybe deep down she's glad she doesn't have to be pregnant again. 

I don't think so. Smuggar never seemed to want to have so many kids and I think she could have gone along with that (assuming he wasn't a deviant and just a regular fundie) if she really wanted to. 

[crazy8s]

7 minutes ago, all fall down said:

Same. By the time 2026 rolls around, she will be 44. Possible she could still have another. I hope not for her sake. John won't care though.

Esther's oldest boy will be 21 in January. How will he ever meet a woman to meet their standards in Africa?

The oldest girl is 19, will be 20 in March. Same question.

 

[Salacious Kitty]

17 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

Esther's oldest boy will be 21 in January. How will he ever meet a woman to meet their standards in Africa?

The oldest girl is 19, will be 20 in March. Same question.

 

Maybe they'll be sent back to Texas to live with Grandpa Shrader? No way they get sent to live with Mike and Suzette. 

Speaking of Suzette, she gave birth to her last @ 43, so there's some precedent there. 

[Scarlett45]

14 hours ago, crazy8s said:

Esther's oldest boy will be 21 in January. How will he ever meet a woman to meet their standards in Africa?

The oldest girl is 19, will be 20 in March. Same question.

 

There are other fundy missionaries in their area- also serving in Zambia. No doubt they will meet partners there or via the internet. 

[Natalie68]

21 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I was hoping that at 42, Esther was done. 

So was she

[dargosmydaddy]

21 hours ago, crazy8s said:

The oldest girl is 19, will be 20 in March. Same question.

I would imagine the oldest daughter is expected to be a hardcore sister-mom and not think about marriage for awhile. The family only has four daughters, and two of them are still pre-teens (not that that's not old enough to be responsible for loads of small children in these circles, but still...).

Though if they were worried about her prospects/ wanted to find her a husband in the US, it would be easy enough to send her to one of the other Keller siblings, such as Priscilla, and have her help with child rearing duties until she found herself a Godly young man.

[Salacious Kitty]

I didn't think about the sisters. Prissy would be a likely landing spot for a sister mom. 

Edited August 30, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[SMama]

6 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I didn't think about the sisters. Prissy would be a likely landing spot for a sister mom. 

Is Anna out of the running as a landing spot? 😂
 

 

[Salacious Kitty]

Just now, SMama said:

Is Anna out of the running as a landing spot? 😂
 

 

Another mouth for JB to feed? Probably not. 😂

[quarks]

I admit to kinda wondering how Anna might be doing this week and next week.

1. Josh is continuing the appeals process, which is certainly his right to do, but the legal bills, regardless of who is paying them, have got to be adding to the stress.

(I would not put it past JB to be sending Anna regular reminders of just how much feeding/housing her family costs - even if she's no longer on the Duggar compound. And/or sending her regular reminders about the legal bills.)

2. The one tiny thing Anna had going for her prior to the arrest was that she and Josh had more children than any of the other Duggarlings, and she had more children than most of her siblings. Now, she's not pregnant, but at least one sister and one sister-in-law are. (And it would not be at all surprising to hear more announcements on Tuesday from a Kellerling or a Duggarling.)

3. And another sister-in-law just called Josh a pedophile in People magazine.

[Scarlett45]

10 hours ago, quarks said:

I admit to kinda wondering how Anna might be doing this week and next week.

1. Josh is continuing the appeals process, which is certainly his right to do, but the legal bills, regardless of who is paying them, have got to be adding to the stress.

(I would not put it past JB to be sending Anna regular reminders of just how much feeding/housing her family costs - even if she's no longer on the Duggar compound. And/or sending her regular reminders about the legal bills.)

2. The one tiny thing Anna had going for her prior to the arrest was that she and Josh had more children than any of the other Duggarlings, and she had more children than most of her siblings. Now, she's not pregnant, but at least one sister and one sister-in-law are. (And it would not be at all surprising to hear more announcements on Tuesday from a Kellerling or a Duggarling.)

3. And another sister-in-law just called Josh a pedophile in People magazine.

I’m sure Anna’s not doing well- who would be in that situation. Anna’s best bet would be to emotionally disassociate from Josh and focus on raising her kids. 
 

The chances of that happening are slim to none. 

[dariafan]

And we can only guess how insufferable Pa Keller is 

[greenturtle36]

On 9/9/2023 at 10:11 PM, quarks said:

 

3. And another sister-in-law just called Josh a pedophile in People magazine.

Which one?