Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[merylinkid]

Josh's Wikipedia page is already update:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Duggar

The blurb if you go to Wikipedia and search his name ends with "and convicted sex offender."

The first line:   is an American former reality television personality and pedophile. 

[quarks]

1 minute ago, Tikichick said:

I think perhaps there is some confusion about what an appeal actually is.   Absolutely if you are convicted you are entitled to court appointed counsel to "perfect your appeal".   That doesn't mean that you get a trial.   It means your appellate counsel would obtain transcripts of all hearings, look at your defense attorney's case files and other information and submit briefs to the appellate court outlining legal reasons and any alleged palpable legal errors associated with your case that should be taken up on appeal.   Most of the time appeals end when the appellate court denies whatever is raised in those briefs and that is the end of the appeal.    Because most of it is administrative in nature and the only "ruling" of the appeals court is a denial to hear an appeal (have a trial on it), to most observers and defendants it seems they never got an appeal.    

  

Ah, ok. The two federal trials I'm personally familiar with (witness, plaintiff) are civil trials, currently in ongoing appeals processes, which are of course not entitled to court appointed counsel.

And I can definitely attest to hearing defendants claim that they never got an appeal!

[emmawoodhouse]

[GeeGolly]

If any of you are praying folks, maybe y'all could say a prayer for the sisters, the other siblings, Anna's kids (maybe Anna too) and the nieces and nephews. This can't be easy on any of them, regardless of what they hoped for.

Please don't include Amy.

[YupItsMe]

I imagine Michelle and Mrs. Keller weren’t at the trial because CSAM would be discussed. Michelle may be there for sentencing though.

[Tikichick]

3 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

If any of you are praying folks, maybe y'all could say a prayer for the sisters, the other siblings, Anna's kids (maybe Anna too) and the nieces and nephews. This can't be easy on any of them, regardless of what they hoped for.

Please don't include Amy.

Josh certainly caused a hell of a lot of collateral damage and anguish with his "victimless" crime.    

Just now, YupItsMe said:

I imagine Michelle and Mrs. Keller weren’t at the trial because CSAM would be discussed. Michelle may be there for sentencing though.

She better brace herself, because the sentencings I'm used to are when the gloves really come off and there isn't a lot of varnish covering graphic discussions from the prosecution side at that point.

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Derick Dillard is reacting to the news that Josh Duggar was found guilty Thursday on two charges of receiving and possessing child sexual abuse material. 

Outside of the courthouse after the verdict was served, Derick told PEOPLE why he and wife Jill (Duggar) Dillard, Josh's younger sister, had attended some parts of the trial. (Jill, 30, appeared at Wednesday's proceeding but was not present for the verdict on Thursday). 

"We just wanted to, among other things, see the facts for ourselves," he said, adding, "America is the best country to get justice." 

[FizzyPuff]

Josh doing illegal stuff : 

Josh behind bars: 

[Zella]

This might be the closest snapshot we get of Josh being cuffed:

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Duggar looked pale and clammy as U.S. Marshals handcuffed him behind his back at approximately 10:28 a.m.

https://www.nwahomepage.com/josh-duggar-trial/josh-duggar-trial-ends-the-conclusion-and-the-guilty-verdict/

[EtheltoTillie]

I just want to join the chorus celebrating his conviction.  What an awful excuse for a human being.  I hadn't been aware the trial started, so I wasn't following it, and it sounds like it was interesting.  The question of whether they could raise the past history of molestation is an important evidentiary issue. 

[Ijustwantsomechips]

2 hours ago, Madtown said:

 

 

Yes! 
THANK YOU for making this much easier to follow along. You have done a GREAT job! 

Perhaps we can all pitch in and get her a new router. 

Just make sure Satan hasn’t built a fortress in it. 

[MissT]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

This might be the closest snapshot we get of Josh being cuffed:

https://www.nwahomepage.com/josh-duggar-trial/josh-duggar-trial-ends-the-conclusion-and-the-guilty-verdict/

After watching this video, it irks me that he never lets Anna go first.  He steps in front of her the entire time.  Watching them walk into the building, he stepped right in front of her.   What ass.... I'm glad he's guilty.  She'll never change either. 

Sorry for he rant.

[ChicksDigScars]

Derick Dillard Reacts to guilty verdict

Looks like Amy responded to Derick, too. He seemed restrained. Said he was going home to spend time with Jill in the wake of the decision and would make a formal statement later. Basically, he said he went because he wanted to hear the evidence. As a guy who just got out of law school, that doesn't seem strange.

 

[Picture It. Sicily]

57 minutes ago, Kiss my mutt said:

I don’t know if it’s customary to be remanded into custody until sentencing but boy, Jesus was I happy to hear he was taken straight to lock up. 
I was so anxious last night, I was praying for this outcome. 

Oh and Justin? This would be the appropriate time for a “thumbs up”, son. 

You and Mrs. Reber both, no doubt.

[EtheltoTillie]

I'm pretty sure Josh's lawyer (Gelfand) must be Jewish.  He went to Brandeis and Wash U. law school.    Very interesting choice for the fundies!

Edited December 9, 2021 by GussieK

[Zella]

5 minutes ago, MissT said:

After watching this video, it irks me that he never lets Anna go first.  He steps in front of her the entire time.  Watching them walk into the building, he stepped right in front of her.   What ass.... I'm glad he's guilty.  She'll never change either. 

Sorry for he rant.

Did you see the footage of Hilaria's husband letting the door nearly slam on her yesterday while he charges through ahead of her? The lack of basic courtesy with doors in this crowd astonishes me. I don't expect men to hold the door for me because they're men and I'm a woman, but I think it's good manners to hold the door for anyone behind you. 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Zella

[MargeGunderson]

Josh’s conviction made the New York Times.  They reported that he cried. 😀

Edited December 9, 2021 by MargeGunderson

[GeeGolly]

[questionfear]

4 minutes ago, GussieK said:

I'm pretty sure Josh's lawyer (Gelfand) must be Jewish.  He went to Brandeis and Wash U. law school.    Very interesting choice for the fundies!

Aww fuck he went to Brandeis? 

I mean, we still have Abbie Hoffman and the creators of Friends as more famous alums at least. 

Also, obligatory: Brandeis is not officially a Jewish school, and not all students are Jewish. When I went there I would say it was 50/50 and trending down. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

That's way more hair than he actually has.

[lascuba]

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Judge Brooks noted that during his release until now, Duggar “has been 100% compliant with every single term and aspect of his bond conditions.”

It occurs to me that every time Josh has been caught, he's always been 100% compliant. He'd prostrate himself in front of the church, shave his head, do months of hard manual labor, go to Jesus camp--and every time, things would eventually go back to normal for him. Except this time. He cooperated with investigators and obeyed the bond conditions, and he still got convicted. I think hearing that verdict was a true shock to him. I think if he hadn't been taken immediately into custody, he would have tried to run this time. There's no precedent for this in his experience.

Edited December 9, 2021 by lascuba

[EtheltoTillie]

2 minutes ago, questionfear said:

Aww fuck he went to Brandeis? 

I mean, we still have Abbie Hoffman and the creators of Friends as more famous alums at least. 

Also, obligatory: Brandeis is not officially a Jewish school, and not all students are Jewish. When I went there I would say it was 50/50 and trending down. 

Also my paralegal (and high school classmate).  Fuck, though--right?  The lawyer is a former federal prosecutor.  I'm sure he was paid A LOT.  The fundies from the Duggars' sect aren't allowed to go to school, even, so they're not turning out any lawyers. 

[all fall down]

I'm sure Josh will be glad to know he's trending on twitter in the US. 😆😆

[Churchhoney]

Hopefully this publicity will keep at least some of the Duggs' stupid yapping about the superior nature of their principles and practices out of public life going forward. 

 

[Dianaofthehunt]

I was at the dentist when the verdict came in, and it was a long appointment, but when I saw the memes on Reddit Duggar/Snark, I knew the results were RIGHT ON.
Thank you, jurors! You’re not the unwashed knuckle-draggers I feared you might be.
All hail the Justice system (at least in this instance) and let’s drink to a looooong sentence!
The “star-struck” comments have me absolutely rolling!

[Insert Username]

I had posted about Josh going in before Anna. I noted that both Derrick and Jason let their wives go in first.

[Tuxcat]

The contrast from last week to this week is stark. Last week Josh was laughing with the clerk. Making jokes with Derrick. This week, "pale faced and clammy" and "teary." He knew how much evidence was against him - for a long time - he knew. The defense knew. It makes me wonder if they really thought they had something with that "router" and "hit and run hacker" smokescreen.  Did Josh, Anna and the others really think he'd be acquitted?

Edited December 9, 2021 by Tuxcat

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

I just want to say I've had an absolute blast being here with all of you, thank you all for the laughs that are needed so badly in todays society. 

[Zella]

The Sun has some pics of Josh's ass being deposited in the cop SUV, but you can't see his face. 

[SusanM]

4 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Did Josh, Anna and the others really think he'd be acquitted?

You know I honestly think they did.  Not because his defense was so hot - it wasn't - but because they all think being a Duggar makes them special.

Edited December 9, 2021 by SusannahM

[Madtown]

4 minutes ago, christine falls said:

I'm sure Josh will be glad to know he's trending on twitter in the US. 😆😆

The only time during all of this, that I was ok with seeing his smug ass face on my Facebook and Twitter feed.

 

[libgirl2]

14 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

Josh’s conviction made the New York Times.  They reported that he cried. 😀

Not as much as those children on those videos. 

[Natalie68]

1 hour ago, Tuxcat said:

Anna was "completely stoic," according to the Sun reporter.

 

I wonder if she's honestly just relieved maybe. I know she believes he's innocent but in her heart she's just got to know.

At some point she may celebrate that he won't be sweating all over her for a long time. I think I heard her uterus scream out in celebration!

[Tuxcat]

There's a video on reddit of Anna and the others leaving the courthouse. She is power walking fast

 

[ChicksDigScars]

4 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

There's a video on reddit of Anna and the others leaving the courthouse. She is power walking fast

 

But you assholes are thanking Jesus for those masks now, aren't you?! So much easier to get by the press without comment and without showing any reaction that they can sell copy and get clicks with.

Edited December 9, 2021 by ChicksDigScars

[Churchhoney]

16 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

You know I honestly think they did.  Not because his defense was so hot - it wasn't - but because they both think being a Duggar makes them special.

I fear that, if accurate, this bit from The Sun about today's response from Mr. Big Grinnin' Thumbs Up suggests that, yeah, he too believes that Josh is innocent and expected the verdict would exonerate him...... "Justin Duggar was also present in the courtroom when the verdict was read and was emotional, according to the Sun reporter, who said Josh Duggar's brother cried when the verdict was read."

I very much don't want to conclude that. But I think it's pretty likely.

If they'd said that Justin just looked very sober today when the verdict was read, then I wouldn't have this opinion. But to me Justin's tears suggest shock at something that was previously unthinkable, just the way his thumbs-up didn't look put on but real and suggested delusional optimism to me......And I doubt that he's cynical enough to have been delusionally optimistic about the prospect of "Hey, he did this, but no biggie; he'll get off!" 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Churchhoney

[Zella]

The press conference from the prosecution is up if you want to watch it. I think I came in pretty late on it, but someone in the Reddit comments pointed out that around 2:10 some apparently random passerby asks if the Josh Duggar verdict has come in, and when the reporters tell her he's guilty, she cheers. It all happens off camera but is worth a listen.

Edit: it apparently takes a while to get to the actual talk since they're camped outside the door for a while.

 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Zella

[emmawoodhouse]

New mugshot. WHY IS HE SMILING???

 

[iwantcookies]

7 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

There's a video on reddit of Anna and the others leaving the courthouse. She is power walking fast

 

Anna wore the defrauding zipper dress. JB stayed silent? 
 

Aaww Hilary was there! 

Is Michelle home taking Xanax? She seems like she is on some kind of medication.

[SusanM]

5 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

New mugshot. WHY IS HE SMILING???

 

Is this from today??  

 

Edited December 9, 2021 by SusannahM

[iwantcookies]

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

New mugshot. WHY IS HE SMILING???

 

Free from daddy? Medication kicking in? 
 

He truly looks like a potato from smug hell.

[emmawoodhouse]

1 minute ago, SusannahM said:

Is this from today??  

 

Brand new.

[Lady Whistleup]

I am relieved. Heart goes out to Jill/Joy/Jessa/Jinger who might be dealing with some very messy, conflicted feelings today. But relieved.

[Minivanessa]

I wouldn't be surprised if he's medicated. 

[quarks]

Maybe he's hoping that Wikipedia editors will update his old mug shot picture with the new smiling picture.

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

New mugshot. WHY IS HE SMILING???

 

I think he's trying but not really feeling it. 

[CouchTater]

4 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

New mugshot. WHY IS HE SMILING???

 

Maybe he's relieved, too.

[iwantcookies]

Just now, quarks said:

Maybe he's hoping that Wikipedia editors will update his old mug shot picture with the new smiling picture.

I hope NOT!

[Churchhoney]

5 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

New mugshot. WHY IS HE SMILING???

 

Does he look kinda shellshocked? sorta drugged? Might he be in actual shock? 

[iwantcookies]

Guess who the breakout star is? It’s  Josh not Jeremy! I bet Jeremy is pissed off.

Edited December 9, 2021 by iwantcookies