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Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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hoosier80
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New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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2 minutes ago, mittsigirl said:

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Calling BS on this.   She seems to say she was subpoenaed to testify that the abuse DID happen but it was dropped then by the people who were bringing charges of abuse?  Also, Ms. Holt, you and your family ain't all that.

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mittsigirl

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2 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

What the what what????  What was this an answer to and where can I follow Bobye??

I have no idea! Was hoping somebody else may know what she is talking about. Just saw it and posted it while we are all waiting for the verdict.

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Cinnabon

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59 minutes ago, mynextmistake said:

The Sun is speculating that a verdict will be returned today due to Anna just being seen at the courthouse. I have no idea if that is reliable information. 

If the jury is back this fast, it’s almost certainly a guilty verdict. 

That rationale lost all meaning after OJ.

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Natalie68

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1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

Its about 4:30 their time, if we don't here from them soon, I'm guessing it will be tomorrow.

Saw this on twitter, take it for what it is worth:

 

Hey everyone. Lawyer here. I expect a verdict by the end of the day. If they keep deliberating late, they’re close, just not there. If they go home for the night, that’s the time to start worrying about a hung jury. They are on central time so it’s 4:07pm. #joshduggar twitter.com/tb_meredith/st…

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Cinnabon

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28 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Just had confirmation from an attorney who has followed the paper trail on this case that CPS did indeed attempt to interview the kids, but both Smuganna declined. They basically said it was because they didn't trust the agency. 

eta The attorney went on to say that if Smuggar is convicted, Anna has no choice. CPS will interview the kids.

Meanwhile, when they hear about other abused kids, they are the first to assign blame to CPS for not intervening.   
 

ETA -there is a poster on Twitter who claims to have provided security to them in 2015, and claims that the whole family fled to Oklahoma after the scandals to avoid CPS.

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crazycatlady58

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26 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Just had confirmation from an attorney who has followed the paper trail on this case that CPS did indeed attempt to interview the kids, but both Smuganna declined. They basically said it was because they didn't trust the agency. 

eta The attorney went on to say that if Smuggar is convicted, Anna has no choice. CPS will interview the kids.

I wonder if they have taught the children to fear the people who are working in CPS? If Josh is found guilty ( from my keyboard to God's ear) and CPS comes to interview the children that may be terrifying.  Who knows what they gave been told. I hope this is over soon for the sake of the children in all the families. Everyone is probably very stressed and that tension is felt by the kids.

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GeeGolly

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15 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Saw this on twitter, take it for what it is worth:

Hey everyone. Lawyer here. I expect a verdict by the end of the day. If they keep deliberating late, they’re close, just not there. If they go home for the night, that’s the time to start worrying about a hung jury. They are on central time so it’s 4:07pm. #joshduggar twitter.com/tb_meredith/st…

I get what they're saying about staying late, but IMO, worrying about a hung jury is a little premature. And any lawyer worth their salt will tell you there really isn't a rhyme or reason to how deliberations go.

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3 minutes ago, crazycatlady58 said:

I wonder if they have taught the children to fear the people who are working in CPS? If Josh is found guilty ( from my keyboard to God's ear) and CPS comes to interview the children that may be terrifying.  Who knows what they gave been told. I hope this is over soon for the sake of the children in all the families. Everyone is probably very stressed and that tension is felt by the kids.

That's Cult101 isn't it?

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Rootbeer

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From my limited experience with civil trials: probably the judge will send a message to the jury soon asking if they’ll feel they could reach a verdict in the next hour or two. If yes, the judge will encourage/recommend that they continue.  If they’re not close, the judge will suggest wrapping up for the evening and starting fresh in the morning.

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Oh man just drove home from work (after reading updates all day long 🤦‍♀️) Came in got changed, grabbed a Diet Dr Pepper and pringles and sat down to read and hopefully celebrate and still no news 😩 lol.  Seriously I am way too invested in this. Thanks to everyone who provided updates and all the technical interpretation, much appreciated! Here’s hoping we have some news soon and then we can all get back to our regular lives lol. 

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14 minutes ago, crazycatlady58 said:

I wonder if they have taught the children to fear the people who are working in CPS? If Josh is found guilty ( from my keyboard to God's ear) and CPS comes to interview the children that may be terrifying.  Who knows what they gave been told. I hope this is over soon for the sake of the children in all the families. Everyone is probably very stressed and that tension is felt by the kids.

The people who interview kids are trained really well. It more like a playtime/conversation than a questioning session. They work really hard to put the kids at ease. 

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Westiepeach

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2 minutes ago, irisheyes said:

The people who interview kids are trained really well. It more like a playtime/conversation than a questioning session. They work really hard to put the kids at ease. 

Except in this case it is totally different. The M’s have never been around anyone who is not related to them. So playtime/conversation with a stranger? Not gonna happen. Not gonna talk.

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Dianaofthehunt

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How did a marginal (at best) publication like The Sun get first dibs on this trial?
How come Rachel Maddow and other real news outlets don’t cover it?
My husband opines it’s because legit news sources aren’t interested in what is essentially hillbilly news.

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11 minutes ago, Westiepeach said:

Except in this case it is totally different. The M’s have never been around anyone who is not related to them. So playtime/conversation with a stranger? Not gonna happen. Not gonna talk.

For the older ones, sure, but the younger ones, I have more hope. 

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floridamom

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When my then-husband and I were first married, we shared one car and worked 1 block away from one another. I have spent many evenings in the courthouse hall way waiting for verdicts from a trial he did that day. Juries could deliberate well in to the evening, even 11pm if the judge wants to wrap it up...OR they could go until earlier and return in the morning. We just won't know which way this judge will swing.

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all fall down

Just now from the Sun. Take that for what it's worth

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Jury has not reached decision

The jury in the Josh Duggar trial has not yet reached a verdict.

The Sun reporter said the jurors have indicated they want to come back tomorrow to deliberate further.

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Just now, christine falls said:

Just now from the Sun. Take that for what it's worth

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Jury has not reached decision

The jury in the Josh Duggar trial has not yet reached a verdict.

The Sun reporter said the jurors have indicated they want to come back tomorrow to deliberate further.

Just what the heck wasn't clear to them? 

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mimionthebeach

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Just now, christine falls said:

Just now from the Sun. Take that for what it's worth

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Jury has not reached decision

The jury in the Josh Duggar trial has not yet reached a verdict.

The Sun reporter said the jurors have indicated they want to come back tomorrow to deliberate further.

Aaaarrrgggg 😫

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merylinkid

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Someone bought that insane hacker theory and is holding out.   He was AT THE CAR LOT when the stuff was downloaded.   It would be the most amazing coincidence in the world that someone just happened to hack in and download child porn art that EXACT MOMENT.  

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Picture It. Sicily

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2 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Someone bought that insane hacker theory and is holding out.   He was AT THE CAR LOT when the stuff was downloaded.   It would be the most amazing coincidence in the world that someone just happened to hack in and download child porn art that EXACT MOMENT.  

Deep breaths. 

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1 minute ago, merylinkid said:

Someone bought that insane hacker theory and is holding out.   He was AT THE CAR LOT when the stuff was downloaded.   It would be the most amazing coincidence in the world that someone just happened to hack in and download child porn art that EXACT MOMENT.  

Agreed. But they might be hung up on that one question. Why set up a partition, do all of that for three days and then not access the partition until June. No activity again on the partion side of the computer. Only activity was in October on his MacBook looking at adult porn.  I wonder if the calendar request was to see what three days - was there a trigger - idk something like mothers day?

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1 minute ago, libgirl2 said:

Just what the heck wasn't clear to them? 

It could be they are almost there, but there’s a lot of paperwork to complete, etc.  and they’d rather just wait until morning.

True story: my late father was foreman of a jury in a criminal case. He was also in his 70’s and worked part-time in his own business, so no big commitments.  Anyway, the jury got the case in the afternoon, discussed and reached a guilty verdict.  All that was left was an hour or so of paperwork and they would then get to the court for reading the verdict. It was already 5 or so, the judge let them know they could work as long as they wanted. My father’s suggestion? Go home, come back in the morning for the court supplied breakfast, do the paperwork, get the verdict read and they’re on their way home with an additional 50 bucks jury pay and the rest of the day off.  That verdict was unanimous too.

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OpieTaylor

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8 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Agreed. But they might be hung up on that one question. Why set up a partition, do all of that for three days and then not access the partition until June. No activity again on the partion side of the computer. Only activity was in October on his MacBook looking at adult porn.  I wonder if the calendar request was to see what three days - was there a trigger - idk something like mothers day?

Maybe he was scared to look at what he’d downloaded after he did it. Or what if he watched some of it while it was downloading and even he was shocked by it.

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Churchhoney

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Lots of juries start out divided. Very few end up that way. It's only been one afternoon and there was lots of stuff to do. Sometimes you wait a while for somebody to volunteer to be foreperson -- I can imagine that happening on this trial! 

ETA: Foreperson of this jury is going to have reporters chasing them down, no matter which way the verdict goes. A good reason to hesitate. 

 

 

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