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hoosier80
hoosier80

New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
MargeGunderson

Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

doodlebug
doodlebug

Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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Rhondinella

Rhondinella

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(Long time, no see, btw! :) )

 

 

Thanks! :-) Been doing the wife, mother, job, life, trying not to lose my mind thing, which is why I had to step back from modding.  Just didn't have the time any more.  Wish I had more time to be here.  I really miss it!  But summer is coming.  I should be around more then.

 

But I rely on you guys to keep me up on all this craziness

 

Topic: What is sad, among so many other things, is that the thought seems to be that Josh needed "counseling" or "rehab" for his "sex" problems and that's it.  No thought to the fact that he would/does need counseling for the issues involved with re-entering his life after rehab just as much.  Of course, any good, reputable rehab program would help prepare him for this, but we all know that didn't happen here.  And even then, he would need ongoing counseling and support.  

 

I'm not  defending what he did at all, and I certainly don't think he's "cured" in any sense.  But I also feel sad that he has no access to real help if he wants to get it.

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bigskygirl

bigskygirl

What ?! Have a evil heathen counselor try to help Josh when all he needs is Jesus, the bible, prayers, and his loving parents and siblings to save him from Satan and his evil plans for Josh. Not only do Josh and Anna need help, but the kids do too. I would not be surprise if the kids are suffering and trying to understand what is going on with daddy.

becca3891

becca3891

They also (allegedly) told their daughters it was their fault that their brother molested them. There was no healing for those young women. There's still not. And as long as they continue to be subjected to the same religiously insane rhetoric from both parents, they will continue believing they are at fault.

To be fair, as horribly as Boob and Mechelle handled the molestation, I don't believe that's true. There is some Gothard literature that suggests that "immodesty" such as little girls running around naked after a shower, or boys changing their little sister's diapers, can cause a "young man to stumble." That is utterly horrifying, but thank goodness for their sake that the clothed, sleeping girls didn't commit any such acts of defrauding on Josh. I do not believe they were told it was their fault -- but most definitely they did not get the counseling they needed.

 

Struggling over what, exactly? It seems ludicrous that any of his siblings would care that much if Josh cheated on his wife. They have their show back, after all. (Vomit).

I can kind of understand it. You don't have to be a fundie to think marriage vows are important and to be shocked and saddened when someone is deeply hurt. That said, I think that definitely a lot of the grief is that their beliefs are shaken to the core. Of course, no one is going to mention Gothard on air, but if I were Jana, Jinger and Joyanna, I would have serious trust issues with men. All their lives, they were taught that it was worldly, nonChristian men they should fear. But their "godly" leader and brother led hypocritical double lives. It has to be very difficult.

 

One has to wonder why the dumbass didn't get the snip while he was in Jesus Jail if he still had insurance coverage. He would have had several months to recover and thanks to HIPAA laws, nobody would have been the wiser.

Ha. Yes, I have to assume that poor Anna has been frantically tracking her cycle and trying for M5 since Josh's return, sure that it will fix everything. I know that in the past, and it may still be true in some states, that men could not get a vasectomy without having their wife sign off on it. Of course, they've probably been successful in getting rid of that law, because heaven forbid that a MAN be told what he can or can't do with his own body. Women, however, are another story in their world.

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Abstract

Ha. Yes, I have to assume that poor Anna has been frantically tracking her cycle and trying for M5 since Josh's return, sure that it will fix everything. I know that in the past, and it may still be true in some states, that men could not get a vasectomy without having their wife sign off on it. Of course, they've probably been successful in getting rid of that law, because heaven forbid that a MAN be told what he can or can't do with his own body. Women, however, are another story in their world.

It's still a law in my state (bordering Arkansas).

Loves2Dance

Loves2Dance

It would be surprising if Josh stays out of sight as a pariah. I just don't see him as a submissive person, letting JD 'inherit' the family type of role. 

 

He can come back as the saved Gothard Prince, or as the Critic. 

I honestly see him fighting to come back redeemed and I see JD letting him. JD has always seemed to shy from the spot light and he doesn't look any less awkward in it now. In a fantasy world where unicorns live I like to believe that JD is different and says what he has to do appease his family, while really he has a different girl in his love shack every other night. In reality, I think he'll be happy to get back out of the spotlight---it's never suited him. 

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BitterApple

BitterApple

I agree that JD is more than happy to do his own thing and let Smugs have the spotlight. For his part, I think Smuggar would run over Anna with the Stink Bus if it meant he could be back on camera, but I don't know how he'll finesse a redemption tour. People are quick to forgive infedility, but child molestation? Not so much. That's a pretty big elephant in the room to try and spin shit into gold.

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Marigold

Marigold

Josh and Anna could have counseling with Christian counselors. They are plenty of Christian counselors who provide therapy with a Christian belief system and traditional therapy.

I have been to two separate counselors for separate issues (one for marriage and one for my son). I was pleased with both of them and they were both educated, qualified and professional.

They (sometimes) attend that Cross Church...that minister could refer them to a Christian counselor, if that's what they wanted.

The key is: Jim Bob and Michelle don't want "any" counseling. Period.

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Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

People are quick to forgive infedility, but child molestation? Not so much. That's a pretty big elephant in the room to try and spin shit into gold.

It happens every Sunday at mega-churches around the USA. Fundies can't resist a good redemption story. And they'll open their wallets.

 

Plus, Joshley Madison really didn't "molest" his sisters. It was all over the clothes. They were asleep. They remember nothing!

 

:eyeroll:

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WescottF1

WescottF1

It happens every Sunday at mega-churches around the USA. Fundies can't resist a good redemption story. And they'll open their wallets.

 

Plus, Joshley Madison really didn't "molest" his sisters. It was all over the clothes. They were asleep. They remember nothing!

 

:eyeroll:

 

It was a long time ago!  He was just a kid hisself!  They aren't victims and forgave him so you should, too!  You're just jealous of the Godliness of the family!  

 

There's a great bingo card going round Facebook with all the Leghumpers' stock fallback answers.

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toodles

toodles

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It happens every Sunday at mega-churches around the USA. Fundies can't resist a good redemption story. And they'll open their wallets.

 

Plus, Joshley Madison really didn't "molest" his sisters. It was all over the clothes. They were asleep. They remember nothing!

 

:eyeroll:

 

Except that TLC now says they are survivors.  If they weren't molested, then survivors of what?  And they went to that survivor workshop.  It seems like they are doing it the ass-backward Duggar way and he's wasn't a molester, but the daughters are survivors.  

 

The anything for a buck famewhore Duggars will say that God laid it on their hearts that Joshley really WAS a molester, BUT NOW HE'S NOT!!!  HE WAS ADDICTED TO PORN, BUT NOW HE'S NOT!!  HE CHEATED ON HIS WIFE, BUT HE'S REALLY SORRY.  $15.95 at the door, $14.95 if you pre-purchase tickets at DuggarFamewhore.com.  

 

eta:  My quote is wonky today.  If there really is a DuggarFamewhore.com site, I apologize.  But there should be.

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SometimesBites

SometimesBites

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TCL threw up the abuse special as a smokescreen, in my opinion. They can now talk survivor talk because hey, they went to a workshop.

I just can't wrap my head around the fact that Anna is ok with any of this. His sisters are now survivors and she is stuck in this marriage. I know this is the way she was raised, but what a sad life. The sisters are survivors of her husband's abuse

It must be hard to walk in her shoes and know that she is a jslave as much as any other female in this family. Just meal ticket on the duggar gravy train. And that goes for her children too.

I know she made her choices, but those are pretty heavy chains she carries.

I agree that she's got a lot of psychological obstacles to making a real change in her life--former fundie here, who stayed for almost 18 awful years.

 

And here's the other true thing: Anna currently has as much power in the relationship as she ever will. It won't last long; our Smuggar will work his way back into his role as King Shit. But for the moment, Anna is the wronged Madonna, the Angle of Grace, martyring herself for luuurve. Slim comfort, but enjoy it while you got it, Anna, because it won't last long

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queenanne

queenanne

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Why yes. As Mullet tells us, their children always openly 'share their hearts' with them. Uh huh.

 

Isn't that hilarious sweet schadenfreude?

 

Or, it would be, if there weren't innocent victims involved here.  Smuggy has never had a problem circumnavigating strictures to look at porn, apparently not even as a teen if rumors and conjecture are viable.  These people are delusional.

 

...Of course, would you bother sharing the innermost contents of your heart, were you they, seeing how worthless and tamping the reactions they receive are?  

 

Jinger says she wants to live in a city - any old city, not Baltimore, Detroit, or NYC -  and her mother immediately backtracks out - FOR HER - as if there's a moral judgment associated with preferring hustle and bustle to tumbleweeds.  Still never figured out why, that one - no idea how large Jerusalem and Bethlehem were as cities in BC era, but I think they think that just because our ancestors lived on farms 'cuz that's all that existed, it's the only right and moral way to operate.

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becca3891

becca3891

It's still a law in my state (bordering Arkansas).

Very interesting! I think that in any healthy relationship, both partners should agree ahead of time on what birth control they want to use. But ultimately, each person's body is her/his own and I think it's archaic that a man has to have his wife sign off on a vasectomy. Just as it's outrageous when people try to tell women what they must do with their reproductive organs.

 

Jinger says she wants to live in a city - any old city, not Baltimore, Detroit, or NYC -  and her mother immediately backtracks out - FOR HER - as if there's a moral judgment associated with preferring hustle and bustle to tumbleweeds.  Still never figured out why, that one - no idea how large Jerusalem and Bethlehem were as cities in BC era, but I think they think that just because our ancestors lived on farms 'cuz that's all that existed, it's the only right and moral way to operate.

The way I interpreted that whole exchange was that Jinger was being chastised for not keeping sweet and content -- she rather sassily said "City, please," and the message was clear. She still would have been chastised if the situation were reversed and they'd lived in the city and she'd rolled her eyes and said she wished she could live in the country with less noise. She's supposed to be a Stepford-like robot, a smile pasted in place, perfectly content and submissive to Boob.

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MamaMax

MamaMax

Isn't that hilarious sweet schadenfreude?

 

Or, it would be, if there weren't innocent victims involved here.  Smuggy has never had a problem circumnavigating strictures to look at porn, apparently not even as a teen if rumors and conjecture are viable.  These people are delusional.

 

...Of course, would you bother sharing the innermost contents of your heart, were you they, seeing how worthless and tamping the reactions they receive are?  

 

 

Hmmmm, any chance JB and Michelle are being blamed for letting a computer/smart phones into their home? WHen they first started out, wasn't it a total media-free zone?

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Marigold

Marigold

I meant "renewed" as in we will see J&JCO in 2017 for season 3.

Those first three episodes of J&JCO was TLC testing the audience on how well just the "kids" would do in ratings. Apparently they did well because now we have Season 2 with 12 episodes ready to air. (is 12 correct?)

I think Jim Bob is holding his breath (along with TLC) that this Season 2 J&JCO will get decent ratings. So Josh will remain hidden because the public HATES him. Molesting little girls and then the cheating...fans don't like that. Maybe the true leg humpers have forgiven him but the average viewer doesn't want to see him. Anna probably tested out well with ratings so she stays on the show.

My opinion is that Josh will stay hidden while this entire season airs. No one wants to rock the gravy train. When season 3 is up for discussion, Josh still might need to be hidden.

If Season 3 is a fail, the Redeption Tour Bus will get gassed up! Beep Beep! here comes Josh and Anna selling their book on how to repair your marriage! Jana will go along as the nanny.

My vote is: Josh is hidden for a long, long time. Money talks. Josh's sexual problems are perverted and gross. Everyone knows Josh is a perv.

On a side note, i think Jim Bob is shunning Josh. i grew up Fundmamentalist (lite) and they love that shunning. Michelle is his mother...a mom is often softer with the kids. Jim Bob? Josh is so hated... Jim Bob is digraced and lost his $ show. Josh is all to blame. Hatred isn't a strong enough word. Jim Bob is very prideful.

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sometimesy

sometimesy

I meant "renewed" as in we will see J&JCO in 2017 for season 3.

Those first three episodes of J&JCO was TLC testing the audience on how well just the "kids" would do in ratings. Apparently they did well because now we have Season 2 with 12 episodes ready to air. (is 12 correct?)

I think Jim Bob is holding his breath (along with TLC) that this Season 2 J&JCO will get decent ratings. So Josh will remain hidden because the public HATES him. Molesting little girls and then the cheating...fans don't like that. Maybe the true leg humpers have forgiven him but the average viewer doesn't want to see him. Anna probably tested out well with ratings so she stays on the show.

My opinion is that Josh will stay hidden while this entire season airs. No one wants to rock the gravy train. When season 3 is up for discussion, Josh still might need to be hidden.

If Season 3 is a fail, the Redeption Tour Bus will get gassed up! Beep Beep! here comes Josh and Anna selling their book on how to repair your marriage! Jana will go along as the nanny.

My vote is: Josh is hidden for a long, long time. Money talks. Josh's sexual problems are perverted and gross. Everyone knows Josh is a perv.

On a side note, i think Jim Bob is shunning Josh. i grew up Fundmamentalist (lite) and they love that shunning. Michelle is his mother...a mom is often softer with the kids. Jim Bob? Josh is so hated... Jim Bob is digraced and lost his $ show. Josh is all to blame. Hatred isn't a strong enough word. Jim Bob is very prideful.

This sounds about right. From what we have heard, Josh is momma's boy and $ is daddy's boy. I hope Josh is absolutely at the rock bottom right now. No more revelations (I don't mind scandal, its the only interesting thing about the Duggars, Someone else take over.) If Josh hits rock bottom and daddy has turned on him, I hope we see Smuggar take his family and leave a trail of demolition. 

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Marigold

Marigold

My opinion after watching this show, reading their books etc.

Jim Bob is not very nice. Jim Bob is shrewd and impresses as someone who is a hater, cold and calculating. I do think he loves his kids but I also think that's very conditional on their obedience. (which makes it not really love-maybe that's why Josh is so messed up) Josh defied his father and Jim Bob is like an angry snake.

Michelle is a nut but I think she has a some kindness under there somewhere. Michelle is also damaged herself from getting involved with this Gothard mess, which Jim Bob led her into. her laundry room break down story makes me think that she is really suffering with some type of mental health issues.

I'm betting Jim Bob is going to make Josh pay for this...over and over again.

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egilsdottir

egilsdottir

I think it's hilarious that Boob and J'Chelle are arguing about Josh. I have no doubt that J'Chelle thinks he's a precious snowflake because he's the oldest boy and is trying to protect him, and Boob is either shunning him or making his life a living hell (I'm leaning toward the latter, as I think Boob was probably teased a lot in high school and has become a bully, at least towards other men, as an adult). And Josh deserves to be treated like crap.

 

What's sad is that neither parent is thinking about how their daughters feel, or arguing about how best to protect them. I wonder if they even asked their daughters how they felt about Creepy McPastyFace coming back to live with them again?

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Lemur

Lemur

My opinion after watching this show, reading their books etc.

Jim Bob is not very nice. Jim Bob is shrewd and impresses as someone who is a hater, cold and calculating. I do think he loves his kids but I also think that's very conditional on their obedience. (which makes it not really love-maybe that's why Josh is so messed up) Josh defied his father and Jim Bob is like an angry snake.

Michelle is a nut but I think she has a some kindness under there somewhere. Michelle is also damaged herself from getting involved with this Gothard mess, which Jim Bob led her into. her laundry room break down story makes me think that she is really suffering with some type of mental health issues.

I'm betting Jim Bob is going to make Josh pay for this...over and over again.

 

I can't help but agree with you, at least on Daddy Duggar.  Jim Bob has always reminded me of those guys who never quite got over not being cool enough/being teased in high school so they carry that grudge into their middle age and use it to motivate them.  For some reason, a lot of these types end up in local politics.  We all know how desperate JB is to be the alpha male, and now his heir apparent has shown that the Emperor has no clothes.  Any other political aspirations he may have held, even in the king-maker role, are officially dead.  There will not only be no further revenge on those jocks who stuffed him in a locker, he's a laughing stock, again.  

 

As for Michelle, I continually vacillate between her being calculating and her being just batshit insane, like clinically in need of a long-term residential therapy program as well as extensive and precise drug therapy.  That said, Josh was her first of very many children.  He might be the last vestige of her youth, from the time before she got talked into joining this crazy-ass cult and effectively lost control of her own body.  She may will be willing to go to battle to defend him regardless of what he's done for that reason alone.

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Aja

Aja

 

As for Michelle, I continually vacillate between her being calculating and her being just batshit insane, like clinically in need of a long-term residential therapy program as well as extensive and precise drug therapy.  That said, Josh was her first of very many children.  He might be the last vestige of her youth, from the time before she got talked into joining this crazy-ass cult and effectively lost control of her own body.  She may will be willing to go to battle to defend him regardless of what he's done for that reason alone.

I just don't see how a woman who was not brainwashed from birth could voluntarily subject herself to such a physically, emotionally and spiritually punishing existence without it being indicative of some sort of mental illness. At the very least, severe and chronic depression and a total absence of self-worth.

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Tabbygirl521

Tabbygirl521

I just don't see how a woman who was not brainwashed from birth could voluntarily subject herself to such a physically, emotionally and spiritually punishing existence without it being indicative of some sort of mental illness. At the very least, severe and chronic depression and a total absence of self-worth.

I agree, especially because she herself admitted to not having a "heart for children."

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Aja

Aja

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I agree, especially because she herself admitted to not having a "heart for children."

I've always seen the obsessive and excessive birthing as a form of self-harm. Michelle has almost killed herself, literally, and it still didn't stop her from trying again. There is something seriously sick about that. Why on Earth would you put yourself at that much grave medical risk when you have NINETEEN EXISTING CHILDREN? For the glory of God? Was a single thought given to what would happen to those nineteen existing children if the devil had purposed to build a fortress around Michelle's brain and give her a stroke? 

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Maharincess

Maharincess

Hmmmm, any chance JB and Michelle are being blamed for letting a computer/smart phones into their home? WHen they first started out, wasn't it a total media-free zone?

I'm really surprised to see that some of the kids still have smart phones. I figured after the Josh scandals that all phones would have been taken away by the Boob.

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3girlsforus

3girlsforus

I'm really surprised to see that some of the kids still have smart phones. I figured after the Josh scandals that all phones would have been taken away by the Boob.

 

That doesn't make any sense to me either. I thought no one was allowed on the Internet without someone watching. Having a smart phone takes away the ability to watch the access.

3girlsforus

3girlsforus

The girls are allowed to have smart phones. Their skewed reasoning is that guys have sexual responses to pictures and females don't. Females are turned on by emotions. 

 

I'm actually am giggling out loud. That is just so effed up.

 

I just burst out laughing and scared my cat that was sitting on my laugh. Seriously - females don't have a sexual response to pictures. Hmmmm... I'll hand it to fundie women. They have definitely put one over on the men. 

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Jynnan tonnix

Jynnan tonnix

I just burst out laughing and scared my cat that was sitting on my laugh. Seriously - females don't have a sexual response to pictures. Hmmmm... I'll hand it to fundie women. They have definitely put one over on the men. 

True enough! Though, to be fair, it's not anything explicit that will do it. I think women (or at least me) will react just as strongly (and maybe more emotionally) to a male "countenance" without anything much more on display as a man will to a scantily clad female. Much easier to get away with!

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Barb23

Barb23

I think Anna already used what she considers her power.

She lost weight, put on a bit more make-up and job done!

Don't forget Anna's voice - she's working towards that quiet, softer MEchelle baby voice. She had it almost down pat in her TH's but her real voice emerged in the segment when she was packing to see Josh-U-a.

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Joe Jitsu913

Joe Jitsu913

Looks like Mr. Pariah McPasty might really have a Redemption Tour after all...get ready for it...

http://www.designntrend.com/articles/72568/20160323/19-kids-counting-people-angry-josh-duggars-rumored-new-job-dead-mom.htm

Is this a recent picture of Tater Head? Wow...Josh was never a looker, but how is it possible that he looks even more bloated and greasy?

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

Looks like Mr. Pariah McPasty might really have a Redemption Tour after all...get ready for it...

http://www.designntrend.com/articles/72568/20160323/19-kids-counting-people-angry-josh-duggars-rumored-new-job-dead-mom.htm

Must be reading these boards.

 

"Critics of the Duggars believe that the public speaking tours are one step closer to the entire family  being put right back in the spotlight. "Jill and Jessa: Counting On" already feature nearly the entire family and Josh's wife and children. He's like some shadow lurking in the background of the spinoff's entire narrative."

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Joe Jitsu913

Joe Jitsu913

I've been driving the Redemption Tour bus since they revealed that he'd been sent to that stupid Jesus Jail. Boob may be pissed that 19 Kids got canceled, but he probably also saw his way out of the stupid "fire" by letting the Prodigal Son be fully reunited with the Duggar Brand .

This "fire" the Duggars keep referencing... they realize it's a self-imposed "fire", right? The entire media shitstorm is a result of their misdeeds. How can they not see that?

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

I've been driving the Redemption Tour bus since they revealed that he'd been sent to that stupid Jesus Jail. Boob may be pissed that 19 Kids got canceled, but he probably also saw his way out of the stupid "fire" by letting the Prodigal Son be fully reunited with the Duggar Brand .

You called it, Sumi!

You were dead on!

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Marigold

Marigold

Absolutely a Redeption Tour. And a book.

There are a lot of people in troubled marriages that will think "hey, if Josh and Anna can make it, maybe we can too. Wonder how they did it?"

Josh will rise again but it will take some time. Too soon is no good. Jim Bob is slick...he is watching and waiting for the right moment and POW! The book is released. Then if the reception is good? Grab Jana and gas up the stink bus! Josh Duggar rides again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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