Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Mollie]

I wonder what Josh will think of Anna's weight loss.

She just lost her baby-gain weight.  The only difference this time is that she will not/did not get pregnant right away.  The last baby was born July 16 and Joshy was kicked out on August 24.  Unless she went to visit Josh for the allowed conjugal visit, she's not getting pregnant again any time soon.  It doesn't look like any family member went to visit Josh.  Either they didn't want to, or he broke the rules and wasn't allowed the visit.  I feel sorry for his kids because they can't even talk to him on the phone.

[Vaysh]

Drums! The horror! I thought music with a beat was of the Devil in Duggarland. Or is it just when other people do it?

[SomePity1066]

The other kids seem brain dead to me. Like does Jana know she can legally walk out the door and leave?

Yogi2014L - This is the question that's been bugging me for ages ! On one hand I think "Oh, C'MON ! Of course she knows she can leave !" but then I play Devil's Advocate and think that maybe she has, despite the world travel and money, been so brainwashed that she can't even consider stepping out the door.  

 

Seems like Josh managed to avoid all of that, and only succeeded in perfecting the veneer of Gothard acceptability in order to get out of the house and move on to an accountability partner that he could easily duck and fool at every turn. Crafty, that one is.

Edited October 28, 2015 by SomePity1066

[Vaysh]

Crafty, that one is.

 

One might even say sly.

[Darknight]

She just lost her baby-gain weight. The only difference this time is that she will not/did not get pregnant right away. The last baby was born July 16 and Joshy was kicked out on August 24. Unless she went to visit Josh for the allowed conjugal visit, she's not getting pregnant again any time soon. It doesn't look like any family member went to visit Josh. Either they didn't want to, or he broke the rules and wasn't allowed the visit. I feel sorry for his kids because they can't even talk to him on the phone.

Wow That's Too Long Without sex. And too long not to get pregnant again. Anna can have a virgin birth if she prays for it.

[Churchhoney]

Yogi2014L - This is the question that's been bugging me for ages ! On one hand I think "Oh, C'MON ! Of course she knows she can leave !" but then I play Devil's Advocate and think that maybe she has, despite the world travel and money, been so brainwashed that she can't even consider stepping out the door.  

 

 

But where would she go and what would she do? I doubt she knows anyone besides Michelle's family members who would shelter her from the Duggars, and maybe even they wouldn't? And if she left, she'd then have to confront the very big question of how she would live and support herself in the world as she believes it is.

 

To me, maybe the biggest thing that's been robbed from the Duggar kids, especially the girls, is any confidence that they could function in the world outside the compound walls. They've deliberately been deprived of all knowledge, education, training and experience that would suggest to them that they could work for a living for non-Duggar people, and they've been constantly told that the outside world is utterly evil and lying in wait to destroy them, for this world and eternity.

 

To leave literally everything and everyone you've known, the essential ingredient is some confidence that the completely new world you're entering won't snuff you out instantly. When I left my confines, I had that because I'd been to school and had some jobs. But I don't see any place at all in which a Duggar girl would get even a smidgen of such confidence. JB and M have bent all their efforts to making sure the girls don't gain any such confidence anywhere, and they've succeeded. The only place they feel safe to go is to other Gothardite types, even when married -- see Dillards' new "profession" -- and that's not leaving. And it took Derick even to get one of the girls that far. I highly doubt that a Duggar girl alone would even have the confidence to do something like that -- beyond short trips to JB-and-M-sanctioned prison camps like Journey to the Heart -- let alone to leave Duggardom altogether. I'm sure that they can't even imagine a non-JB-and-M world in which they could safely and successfully function for a week, let alone for the rest of their lives.

 

To me, the only hope is that JB and M have been too distracted and smug to brainwash the younger kids quite as much, and that some actual knowledge of the outside world has sneaked into some of their brains while their horrible parents were busy being tv stars.

Edited October 29, 2015 by Churchhoney

[lookeyloo]

But where would she go and what would she do? I doubt she knows anyone besides Michelle's family members who would shelter her from the Duggars, and maybe even they wouldn't? And if she left, she'd then have to confront the very big question of how she would live and support herself in the world as she believes it is.

 

To me, maybe the biggest thing that's been robbed from the Duggar kids, especially the girls, is any confidence that they could function in the world outside the compound walls. They've deliberately been deprived of all knowledge, education, training and experience that would suggest to them that they could work for a living for non-Duggar people, and they've been constantly told that the outside world is utterly evil and lying in wait to destroy them, for this world and eternity.

 

To leave literally everything and everyone you've known, the essential ingredient is some confidence that the completely new world you're entering won't snuff you out instantly. When I left my confines, I had that because I'd been to school and had some jobs. But I don't see any place at all in which a Duggar girl would get even a smidgen of such confidence. JB and M have bent all their efforts to making sure the girls don't gain any such confidence anywhere, and they've succeeded. The only place they feel safe to go is to other Gothardite types, even when married -- see Dillards' new "profession" -- and that's not leaving. And it took Derick even to get one of the girls that far. I highly doubt that a Duggar girl alone would even have the confidence to do something like that -- beyond short trips to JB-and-M-sanctioned prison camps like Journey to the Heart -- let alone to leave Duggardom altogether. I'm sure that they can't even imagine a non-JB-and-M world in which they could safely and successfully function for a week, let alone for the rest of their lives.

 

To me, the only hope is that JB and M have been too distracted and smug to brainwash the younger kids quite as much, and that some actual knowledge of the outside world has sneaked into some of their brains while their horrible parents were busy being tv stars.

I totally agree with this.  I've said it once or twice.  Easy for us to say, just leave, but, she is fearful and lives in a protective bubble with no knowledge of how to navigate the big bad world without a posse to protect her from whatever she perceives is out there to get her.  No confidence in her own abilities, it seems by watching her.  Don't know of course, what's inside her head.  Maybe like the elephant with the chain?

[Tabbygirl521]

They've been told that the evil world is just waiting to destroy them, and sure enough, look how Satan got his hooks into Josh, right? I would bet a lot that this is the conclusion they've all come to. Personal responsibility? Nonsense! Huddle together and keep praying!

[yogi2014L]

But where would she go and what would she do? I doubt she knows anyone besides Michelle's family members who would shelter her from the Duggars, and maybe even they wouldn't? And if she left, she'd then have to confront the very big question of how she would live and support herself in the world as she believes it is.

 

To me, maybe the biggest thing that's been robbed from the Duggar kids, especially the girls, is any confidence that they could function in the world outside the compound walls. They've deliberately been deprived of all knowledge, education, training and experience that would suggest to them that they could work for a living for non-Duggar people, and they've been constantly told that the outside world is utterly evil and lying in wait to destroy them, for this world and eternity.

 

To leave literally everything and everyone you've known, the essential ingredient is some confidence that the completely new world you're entering won't snuff you out instantly. When I left my confines, I had that because I'd been to school and had some jobs. But I don't see any place at all in which a Duggar girl would get even a smidgen of such confidence. JB and M have bent all their efforts to making sure the girls don't gain any such confidence anywhere, and they've succeeded. The only place they feel safe to go is to other Gothardite types, even when married -- see Dillards' new "profession" -- and that's not leaving. And it took Derick even to get one of the girls that far. I highly doubt that a Duggar girl alone would even have the confidence to do something like that -- beyond short trips to JB-and-M-sanctioned prison camps like Journey to the Heart -- let alone to leave Duggardom altogether. I'm sure that they can't even imagine a non-JB-and-M world in which they could safely and successfully function for a week, let alone for the rest of their lives.

 

To me, the only hope is that JB and M have been too distracted and smug to brainwash the younger kids quite as much, and that some actual knowledge of the outside world has sneaked into some of their brains while their horrible parents were busy being tv stars.

Oh yeah, I know they won't, that goes with the brain dead comment. Like Josh is the only one who seemed to have any gumption to do his own thing. 

the damage jbob and mechelle have done to their daughters is abhorrent.

[Anne Elk]

They've been told that the evil world is just waiting to destroy them, and sure enough, look how Satan got his hooks into Josh, right? I would bet a lot that this is the conclusion they've all come to. Personal responsibility? Nonsense! Huddle together and keep praying!

Absolutely. Even Josh and Anna seem to believe this. 

 

I keep thinking somewhere in that family there's got to be someone who is capable of putting two and two together and thinking, "Wait a minute, didn't we go through this with Josh once before, back when he was still living at home and presumably sheltered from the evil outside world?" But then, they've no doubt already rationalized that too. Josh is the oldest and probably always had a little more freedom than the other kids, so it would be easy for them to assume that having any freedom is the problem. Or maybe they've all just decided that Josh is a rotten apple, period.

 

It's a completely closed circle. Jesus has already given them all the answers, so when something goes wrong it just proves that they were actually right all along. Just like with the Gothard pamphlets addressing the victims of sexual abuse -- since they know that their assumptions about the world cannot possibly be wrong, then it must be the victim's fault in some way. And since the rules are so impossible and all-pervasive, they can always find something that the victim did wrong that "caused" them to suffer the abuse. 

Edited October 29, 2015 by Anne Elk

[mbutterfly]

Hmmm... We seem to be heading for a possible abortion debate. The anti-abortion and birth control museum talk as it is related to Josh and Anna is acceptable, but lets derail the abortion discussion. The discussion train wants to stay on track and not end up in the ditch because a political off topic has taken over the running of the train. Any abortion discussion will be ask to leave the train aka deleted or hidden by the train conductor mods. I am sure there are other forum railroad stations to go to embark on the abortion discussion. Thank you.

I'm quoting because I love this phrase. I shall sprinkle it generously in personal conversations from this day forward. 

[amitville]

I'm quoting because I love this phrase. I shall sprinkle it generously in personal conversations from this day forward. 

I copied it down to use at a future date.  

[Sew Sumi]

I totally agree with this. I've said it once or twice. Easy for us to say, just leave, but, she is fearful and lives in a protective bubble with no knowledge of how to navigate the big bad world without a posse to protect her from whatever she perceives is out there to get her. No confidence in her own abilities, it seems by watching her. Don't know of course, what's inside her head. Maybe like the elephant with the chain?

The Allegory of the Cave immediately comes to mind.

[Purpose to defraud]

I copied it down to use at a future date.  

 

I'm quoting because I love this phrase. I shall sprinkle it generously in personal conversations from this day forward. 

It is a great relief from the over beaten dead horse beating allegory!

[What In The]

Even if Anna does forgive she won't forget. Every day she will probably look at him and wonder where he's been, is he cheating, where was her last night, did he ever really love me, do i really love him, and a whole load of other things. And every day no amount of apologiies will rease her memories which sucks.

[questionfear]

The Allegory of the Cave immediately comes to mind.

Good point!

 

Maybe that's why they can't be educated...they might put all the pieces together as soon as they read Plato.

[bigskygirl]

It is a great relief from the over beaten dead horse beating allegory!

The mods thank you. And yes, I am going off topic a little here. Please forgive me.

[JoanArc]

 

Yep, her own personal hell, and for a crime she did not commit.

She was quick to announce she knowingly married a molester. We have to take that as true. She had kids with him, made money, and stuck by him. World's smallest violin time.

[Marigold]

I'm back and forth on this board whenever I can spare some time. My secret pleasure! I fell a little behind.

Anyway, so is it confirmed Joshie is in RU? Has anyone seen him? How have they kept this so quiet?

Anna actually looks good in that picture of Anna and the girls. She lost baby weight and seems to have lost a little more. Guess we know who was bringing in the munchies and ice cream at night.

[skatelady]

Stumbled across this article yesterday. Goes a long way toward explaining why Josh turned out the way he did.

 

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/what-happens-men-who-stay-abstinent-until-marriage

[Chicklet]

Who woulda thunk it? A broken group of people insist on allowing a creepy yet celibate old man to set acceptable societal "rules". What could go wrong?

Edited October 30, 2015 by Chicklet

[Guest]

I know this may be an unpopular opinion, but I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that the Ashley Madison scandal was the best thing that could've happened to Josh Duggar and the Duggar family in terms of helping them get back on television.

 

In this day and age, people have developed a short memory for scandal. The Ashley Madison hack was successful in that it shifted attention away from the molestation scandal and prevented it from lingering in the public consciousness for too long. It changed the conversation from an unforgivable crime like child molestation to something forgivable, relatable, and generates a good deal of sympathy for Anna and the children, and the poor parents whose bad seed son is tearing their wholesome family apart with his dalliances. 

 

Those who do not follow the Duggars as closely as us, which is most people, will say, "Wait. What did Josh Duggar do again?," to which someone will reply, "Uh, didn't he get caught up in that Ashley Madison hack?," because it is the most recent thing that will come to mind.

 

Why do I think this? Because I literally overhead that exact conversation on a bus yesterday. People who aren't paying close attention have already had their memories overwritten by the latest scandal and they've already forgotten the original crime here... 

[Pachengala]

I know this may be an unpopular opinion, but I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that the Ashley Madison scandal was the best thing that could've happened to Josh Duggar and the Duggar family in terms of helping them get back on television.

In this day and age, people have developed a short memory for scandal. The Ashley Madison hack was successful in that it shifted attention away from the molestation scandal and prevented it from lingering in the public consciousness for too long. It changed the conversation from an unforgivable crime like child molestation to something forgivable, relatable, and generates a good deal of sympathy for Anna and the children, and the poor parents whose bad seed son is tearing their wholesome family apart with his dalliances.

Those who do not follow the Duggars as closely as us, which is most people, will say, "Wait. What did Josh Duggar do again?," to which someone will reply, "Uh, didn't he get caught up in that Ashley Madison hack?," because it is the most recent thing that will come to mind.

Why do I think this? Because I literally overhead that exact conversation on a bus yesterday. People who aren't paying close attention have already had their memories overwritten by the latest scandal and they've already forgotten the original crime here...

This makes a lot of sense, but I also remember being surprised and appalled at how the Ashley Madison scandal seemed to be the way less forgivable crime than the molestation for a huge subset of people. People who were willing to buy the party line about him being a kid and it being in the past seemed over-the-top pissed about the A.Mad thing. The molestation on its own wasn't even enough to lose them the show; the affair was what sealed the deal.

[Purpose to defraud]

The mods thank you. And yes, I am going off topic a little here. Please forgive me.

And I thank the mods for their hard work. Over at Free Jinger, it's often a mess of tangents!

This makes a lot of sense, but I also remember being surprised and appalled at how the Ashley Madison scandal seemed to be the way less forgivable crime than the molestation for a huge subset of people. People who were willing to buy the party line about him being a kid and it being in the past seemed over-the-top pissed about the A.Mad thing. The molestation on its own wasn't even enough to lose them the show; the affair was what sealed the deal.

I still believe the blase attitude towards the molestation is often from others of their religious intensity. It all ties together with the Megyn Kelly interviews, to paraphrase "Lots of families have this or worse." I think child rape is a big part of religious extremism, in any religion.

[Aja]

This makes a lot of sense, but I also remember being surprised and appalled at how the Ashley Madison scandal seemed to be the way less forgivable crime than the molestation for a huge subset of people. People who were willing to buy the party line about him being a kid and it being in the past seemed over-the-top pissed about the A.Mad thing. The molestation on its own wasn't even enough to lose them the show; the affair was what sealed the deal.

It totally blew my mind that everyone from Megyn Kelley to Mike Huckabee and thousands of leghumpers in between were all "How dare you judge! The family already dealt with it! He was only a fourteen year old boy, and no fourteen year old boy totally gets that it's wrong to fondle his barely-out-of-diapers sister! I mean don't you have that in your family? What are you, weird? Stop attacking Christians!" and then when Josh gets caught banging hookers--arguably the most normal thing he's ever done, in a harrowing sense--everyone, including the Duggars themselves, totally clutched their pearls and fainted. I didn't even see a ton of commentary (apart from us guys) connecting the sexual dysfunction of Duggar-style child-rearing, the molestation and the philandering. Which, I mean...duh? Everything about Duggargates I & II, from the incidents themselves to the Duggar PR Circus of the Absurd to the public reaction, is totally mindblowing to me. 

[kokapetl]

People have different expectations from a 27 year old man than they do a 14 year old boy.

[yogi2014L]

And I thank the mods for their hard work. Over at Free Jinger, it's often a mess of tangents!

I still believe the blase attitude towards the molestation is often from others of their religious intensity. It all ties together with the Megyn Kelly interviews, to paraphrase "Lots of families have this or worse." I think child rape is a big part of religious extremism, in any religion.

YES I have been reading FJ for years and years, and omg I cannot deal with the tangents. Page after page of people talking about super specific things that have nothing to do with anything. It ruined what used to be a really great snark site. And they always attack each other. Its annoying

I like hearing personal stories, but only if it adds to the overall discussion. Like all the OB info from our Docs here ect. 

So, thank you mods.

 

TO be back on topic- I also agree the Ashley Madison hack was the best thing for the rest of the duggars. Anna looks great but man I wish those rumors of her leaving were true. 

[Lemur]

Drums! The horror! I thought music with a beat was of the Devil in Duggarland. Or is it just when other people do it?

 

Music with a BACKbeat.

 

All music has a beat, but not all music has a backbeat, or accentuation of the "off" beat.  

I still believe the blase attitude towards the molestation is often from others of their religious intensity. It all ties together with the Megyn Kelly interviews, to paraphrase "Lots of families have this or worse." I think child rape is a big part of religious extremism, in any religion.

 

Can I just add that Jessa's assertion that "LOTS (her emphasis) have this or worse" bothers the bejesus out of me?  Seriously, what the hell is going on in Duggarland?  And yes, I totally agree, I think child rape and child molestation have a tendency to run wild in patriarchal religious extremist societies.  Between these folks and the FLDS sects, I'm angered and horrified on behalf of these women that this is accepted as such a normal, regular occurrence.

[Kcat1971]

Good point!

 

Maybe that's why they can't be educated...they might put all the pieces together as soon as they read Plato.

 

Bwahahahaha!  Good one!

[Purpose to defraud]

People have different expectations from a 27 year old man than they do a 14 year old boy.

Yes, but they are also two completely different offenses, in my book. Consenting adults having sex is very different from abusing children.

[Zella]

It totally blew my mind that everyone from Megyn Kelley to Mike Huckabee and thousands of leghumpers in between were all "How dare you judge! The family already dealt with it! He was only a fourteen year old boy, and no fourteen year old boy totally gets that it's wrong to fondle his barely-out-of-diapers sister! I mean don't you have that in your family? What are you, weird? Stop attacking Christians!" and then when Josh gets caught banging hookers--arguably the most normal thing he's ever done, in a harrowing sense--everyone, including the Duggars themselves, totally clutched their pearls and fainted. I didn't even see a ton of commentary (apart from us guys) connecting the sexual dysfunction of Duggar-style child-rearing, the molestation and the philandering. Which, I mean...duh? Everything about Duggargates I & II, from the incidents themselves to the Duggar PR Circus of the Absurd to the public reaction, is totally mindblowing to me. 

One of the things that really confused me when the initial molestation scandal broke was the number of people I personally know who I had assumed were fairly normal people who just automatically defended the Duggars. None of them watched the show, but as soon as they heard about it, they just believed the Duggars were being persecuted for being conservative and/or Christian. That floored me. And then after I explained the Duggars and what the police reports said to each of these people, they were like "Oh yeah that's horrible," but it disturbed me that their automatic response to hearing about a teenager touching his younger sisters against their will was that it was no big deal.

[kokapetl]

I'm with you - it's very disturbing that people don't consider molestation (by anyone) absolutely heinous.

As for the Duggars, damn! Just about EVERYTHING is 'sinful', yet they absolutely discount what their son did to their daughters. That is one bent, broken moral compass the Duggars use.

I don't consider molestation to be harmless, but a child offender has reduced culpability. Harm doesn't always result from malice.

[Zella]

I'm with you - it's very disturbing that people don't consider molestation (by anyone) absolutely heinous.

As for the Duggars, damn! Just about EVERYTHING is 'sinful', yet they absolutely discount what their son did to their daughters. That is one bent, broken moral compass the Duggars use.

Their hypocrisy and complete lack of self-awareness are psychologically fascinating.

 

I was living in Fayetteville when Michelle did the robocalls about how transgender people shouldn't be allowed in bathrooms because they might molest children--I didn't get one because yay for not having a landline, but I talked to people who did get them. One of the first things I thought of when the molestation scandal broke was "Did it honestly never occur to these people NOT to call other people child molesters when you are sitting on top of a decades old child molestation scandal involving your own children." 

[kokapetl]

Sorry, I have to disagree. A 14 year old, even as under educated and under socialized as the Duggarettes, needs to be accountable for this kind of behavior - at the very least, professional counseling. The Duggars brag so much about their 'accountability' measures -prayer partners, chaperoned courtship right out of the Victorian age, but when their teen son diddles his sisters as they sleep (and/or stand in the pantry) it's 'just a boy a little too interested in girls'????

So Josh should be held to the same standard as Jared? I didn't say zero culpability.

I agree counseling should have happened at the very least. Josh did sue Arkansas CPS, so some sort of restriction/imposition was placed on him. I hope.

Edited October 30, 2015 by Kokapetl

[SomePity1066]

Sorry, I have to disagree. A 14 year old, even as under educated and under socialized as the Duggarettes, needs to be accountable for this kind of behavior - at the very least, professional counseling. The Duggars brag so much about their 'accountability' measures -prayer partners, chaperoned courtship right out of the Victorian age, but when their teen son diddles his sisters as they sleep (and/or stand in the pantry) it's 'just a boy a little too interested in girls'????

 

 

Agreed 100%, Mrs. Kisses - a 14 year-old is certainly old enough to know the difference between a "good" touch and a "bad" one ! Back in "my day" 14 year-olds were starting to hug and kiss and have little boyfriends and girlfriends (I know, I'm old !) but I can't imagine a world where someone that age doesn't know that that kind of activity isn't taboo, prohibited, gross, wrong, squicky, and disgusting with their own sisters. 

 

He knew very damn well that what he was doing was wrong !!! He made a choice to do it. Just as I did when I disobeyed my parents at that age, or drank a beer before I was 21, or, ummm...other things as well. Nothing like Josh, certainly, but kids at 14 can be... sly ? Not my word, but useful here. 

[Mollie]

JMO here but Josh, WAY before 14, should have been taught to respect his sisters enough that the thought of molesting them was unconscionable and more than a little bit CREEPY.

On the Fox interview Jim Bob and Michelle did after the sexual molestation reports were released, Jim Bob said that Josh's actions were those of a juvenile.  But that was just another one of his lies.  Under Arkansas law, if a 14-year-old sexually molests anyone under the age of 18, the 14-year-old is not considered a juvenile offender.  Josh was 14 and 15 when he molested four sisters and at least one other minor child. Jim Bob must have known that because he was a state legislator.

 

Jim Bob also must have known that he and Michelle could have gone to jail in 2003 if the authorities had known about the abuse, under Arkansas laws for child maltreatment:

 

"1) Failure or refusal to prevent the abuse of the juvenile when the person knows or has reasonable cause to know the juvenile is or has been abused;

 

"3)  Failure to take reasonable action to protect the juvenile from abandonment, abuse, sexual abuse, sexual exploitation, neglect, or parental unfitness where the existence of such condition was known or should have been known;"

http://humanservices.arkansas.gov/dcfs/dcfspublications/pub-357.pdf

on page 47.

Edited October 31, 2015 by Mollie

[kokapetl]

JMO here but Josh, WAY before 14, should have been taught to respect his sisters enough that the thought of molesting them was unconscionable and more than a little bit CREEPY.

He should have been taught, but his parents are total nutcases.

[truthtalk2014]

https://instagram.com/p/9d6_qQtkHO/?taken-by=amyrachelleking

 

I think Anna is looking so much better without Josh.

[louannems]

Wow! She has REALLY lost weight! I just can't even imagine how her life has changed.

[Vaysh]

In that particular picture she looks horrible imo, not thin but skinny bordering on scrawny and with a fake grin that doesn't reach her eyes. I've seen her looking better in other photos though.

[drafan]

Vintage Josh and Jothers on percussion (via Pickles and Hairspray)

When I saw this pic, I realized just how infuriating this cult is.....Josh and the Jboys got to mix into a crowd of kids at this event, wearing pretty normal-looking, albeit, hot-looking clothing....while the girls look like a Depression-era Montgomery Ward catalog page. If they were lucky, the other kids thought they were part of the period-costumed performers at the event.

Now I can see why Jessa does her "modern modest" thing and is so fixated on her look. The older girls are scarred, y'all !!!! Gah.

[CofCinci]

https://instagram.com/p/9d6_qQtkHO/?taken-by=amyrachelleking

I think Anna is looking so much better without Josh.

She's fasting for Josh and using Michelle's tanning bed. Yikes.

[louannems]

Anna's skin is orange. Either the tanning bed or tanning lotion! It's unfortunate that she has to have her pearly whites compared to Amy's fake bleached choppers.

[Beth64]

Anna probably thinks if she looks "hot", thin and tan, that Josh won't want to cheat. Sadly misguided, if so.

[kokapetl]

https://instagram.com/p/9d6_qQtkHO/?taken-by=amyrachelleking

I think Anna is looking so much better without Josh.

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Edited November 1, 2015 by Kokapetl

[GeeGolly]

Anna does look beautiful, but she looks stressfully thin.

[CofCinci]

I don't think she looks beautiful. She looks fake.  If you out fake Amy in a selfie, there is something wrong going on.

[lookeyloo]

don't know what's going on with her, really.  Her hair is parted on the other side - when I google image her, usually her hair is on the other side and flatter.  Does anyone thing there will be a sort of power shift if/when Josh comes back?  Like Anna will have some leverage?  Even if this is hidden from public view?

[kandinski]

It looks like our hunch was right,she is taking the "makeover" to keep my man route.

 

After weeks of being brainwashed into thinking she drove Josh to Ashley Madison,she thinks fixing a tooth,updating her make up and getting a fake tan are enough to place a band aid over the gaping wound of a marriage.

 

No disrespect to Anna though,women (and men) have been trying it for decades...

Edited November 1, 2015 by kandinski

[kokapetl]

I dunno if that's a fake tan, I think Amy tweaked the image to make herself look less orange, and Anna ended up looking jaundiced. And the teeth have been a work in progress for years.

If she suddenly "grows" a pair of giant fake looking tits, she's a lost cause, and I'd also then assume she'd had a certain orifice bleached for Josh. Don't do it Anna.

Edited November 1, 2015 by Kokapetl