Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[CofCinci]

So the moldy house/Michelle's father's house/Josh-now-Jessa's house was purchased for 4 times the value from Michelle's father? JB sure knows how to shuffle that money around, doesn't he.

Grandma Mary is laundering money up in that laundry room hideout.

Edited May 30, 2015 by CofCinci

[Sew Sumi]

The important part of that piece was when and from whom that house was purchased. It was to move Josh out of the situation after the DHS hearing. It also proves that Grandma Mary was complicit in the coverup, so this expands beyond just the nuclear family. I think that's pretty damn important information. Putting the house in Mary's name, rather than JB/Michelle's adds yet another angle to this whole story, which was NOT over in 2003, despite what the leghumpers say.  Yes, I admit that I despise these people, but now more because they're proven to be hypocrites, liars, and sleazeballs, rather than just due to their restricting their children's lives because of their cult involvement.

 

Yes, this Sira person went down a rabbit hole of documents and fed them to FJD, but to be honest, those deeds aren't that hard to access. 

Edited May 30, 2015 by Sew Sumi

[Fuzzysox]

Wow

[Marigny]

 

 

Back to the topic:  considering how much the Duggars shun the media (in terms of watching it, reading it, etc.), I wonder how much Smuggar is aware of the public sentiment about it.  Ignorance may be bliss for him right now.  UGH!  But I can see him & Anna staying cocooned in their little world so none of it bothers them.  They've prayed for "forgiveness" so, in their minds, it's all behind them now.  The nickname "Smuggar" has never been more appropriate than now.

 

 

I think that they would like us to believe that they only use the evil interwebs for all things wholesome but I don't believe that for a second. They've been sipping the celebrity Kool Aid for a while now and that lovely elixir is served with a side of narcissism. No one can make me believe that they aren't trolling forums just like this one with those fancy not-purchased-used iPhones they all possess. There have been too many cases of something playing out on screen that "subtly" refutes what's being/been talked about on the boards for them not to be trolling. Its obvious from the past couple of weeks that they don't have a PR team/person who would be the one doing the trolling so they could keep their hands clean. 

[TomServo]

Lena was 7 when the incident occurred, and every professional pointed out that this was normal behavior.  A true example of playing doctor.  Josh, on the other hand, was 14.  There's a huge difference here.  

 

I'll go on record as saying that I think Lena is just as creepy as Josh if not worse.  Her book did not describe one little "playing doctor" incident when she was seven.  It talks about other creepy things she did toward her sister up until Lena was at least seventeen years old.

[Sew Sumi]

I remember them having a PR person, but I think that person may be more for access to the radio and TV interviews, as well as the conduit to People. I remember it being a female. I am convinced that she has NO training in crisis management, because if the Duggars were taking her advice at the beginning of this, starting with Anna's statement, they have been steered totally wrong. That is, until they hunkered down and went dark. That is pretty much the only smart thing they've done in years. 

[Beth64]

My mouth is hanging open.
BOOM.

IIRC, Michael Reagan was abused as a child. Edited May 31, 2015 by aethera
fixed quotes :)

[autumnh]

I just wanted to pop in and say THANK YOU to all of the wonderful folks here who took the time to message me....it meant the world. Aside from the Duggar scandal....we truly have great folks in this forum....if I could hug you all...I would...your kind words, prayers and good thoughts mean everything.

 

Yes...it it safe to say we have the smartest, kindest and well most awesome members.

 

Thank you all! <3

Edited May 30, 2015 by autumnh

[lottiedottie]

I remember them having a PR person, but I think that person may be more for access to the radio and TV interviews, as well as the conduit to People. I remember it being a female. I am convinced that she has NO training in crisis management, because if the Duggars were taking her advice at the beginning of this, starting with Anna's statement, they have been steered totally wrong. That is, until they hunkered down and went dark. That is pretty much the only smart thing they've done in years. 

Maybe Sierra is stepping in.

[RandomX]

I just took a look at fakejoshduggar.whatever. Wow. I now dislike this family and I am enjoying hearing others take on the situation, but a shit load of time and effort went into that site. That shows a great deal of focused rage. Who has time for such nonsense? And no, I am not suggesting we track down the site owners. Really who gives a shit who owned what house when? They are proven liars and they will get what is coming to them. Step away from the computer and step out into the sunshine! TLC will cancel the show or we will all stop watching. Period.

We can't save them from themselves and I worry about those whose hatred is so focused and vengeful. I fear it adds fuel to the fire of those who are saying that all this furor is just because of the Duggar's religious beliefs. Sites like that detract from the fact that Josh molestested his sisters. His mother and father covered it up. So they lied about houses and such. Why is that surprising? Anyone who would lie to protect a pedophile is capable of anything.

The Duggars spent a lot of time focusing hate and vengeance on people who aren't like them: gay and trans people were their most visible targets, but not their only targets. They made enemies and it's not surprising that some of those enemies are proving to be resourceful -- it's like a crowd-sourced investigation.

ETA: The people targeted with vile accusations by the Duggars didn't need to stoop to the same level -- everything that has come to light has been documented.

Leg-humpers will continue to hump legs; it's what they do.

Edited May 30, 2015 by RandomX

[lonerafter]

So I've been sifting through this thread all day, and part of the fj threads (though I've never registered there, as I've always been what I consider a casual viewer. I watch, read the boards the next day, and forget about them until the next week). I haven't added anything since my first general shock post that I think we all made at some point, because I didn't have anything to really add. But I was just thinking about a couple of the questions people had asked. The ones along the lines of why do the show when you have this skeleton, are they really shocked at the scandal, etc.

Here's what I think, they didn't think this was a scandal. I mean, in JB and Ms eyes Josh had gone to his labor camp, repented, probably been forgiven by the sisters (even if they were forced to forgive him) so all is well, right? I'll admit I wasn't as good as some others who took notes on the police report, but if I remember correctly towards the end when they're mentioning lawyers and all JB seems eager to drop it. I know you can't truly get tone from a report, but from how we've seen him act I wouldn't doubt it.

Also, on them being mostly quiet about this, they're probably scared more dirt will be dug up (which seems to be their main goal in the Josh thread on fj), and you can't make a statement about "we're so sorry, every family has their one big failure" when there are more failures that may come to light. I mean we've seen the ATI blog posts going around after this scandal, the conditions most of these families live in and what the wives and kids experience, maybe the Duggars haven't been like that since their show, but that obviously doesn't mean it can't come out.

Finally, while the fact that there had to be victims at all is horrible, maybe this will she'd some more light on ATI and the basic training thing I forgot the acronym for (sorry). I doubt it will have any long term effects, I mean they had FLDS raids and that was a big controversial thing for like a uear, then it died down. As long as the ATI community doesn't put themselves in the spotlight, the awareness will likely go down just like the Mormons.

I apologize for any typos, this is from my phone so idrk if autocorrect did it's job or not since it's not letting me actually see the words I'm typing?

[Sew Sumi]

Maybe Sierra is stepping in.

FTW!!!! :D

[becca3891]

I'm not sure if I could be comfortable with viewing therapy in any form.

 Agreed. Reality TV is staged enough as it is, and while it's not so bad having a store owner pretend the family is walking through the door for the first time, taping a therapy session would be a joke. I really hope they have had the opportunity for it, though. It breaks my heart to think of Journey to the Heart masquerading as counseling, when it is nothing but mind control and victim blaming.

 

(Editing to remove comments I made while in a bad mood earlier.)

Edited May 30, 2015 by becca3891

[Yolapukka]

On another site I visit where this is being discussed someone is insisting there was no cover up and no hypocricy because this happened in 2003 and the Duggars didn't go on TV until 2005.  I wasn't watching the show back then but I'm pretty sure they always portrayed themselves as pure as the driven snow with Josh being the jewel in their crown.  I have no idea why this person thinks it shouldn't matter since the molesting didn't happen when the show was actually being aired.

 

 

To me the hypocrisy and cover-up lies in their continued promotion of their rigid notions of gender roles as the best way to raise happy, wholesome children when they had already lived through a horrifying example of things going in the opposite direction. It would not have been hypocritical (to me) if they continued to cling to their values while they were still processing Josh's revolting predatory behaviour, but I can't understand how they could continue to do so afterwards and to seemingly double down on their dogma. They had the molester and girls who included some who had been molested by their brother give public voice to the very principles that he twisted, principles which insinuated or outright stated that girls who were prepubescent children were responsible for managing the sexual impulses of older males and if they did so, all would be right. From the beginning Michelle and Jim-Bob were hypocrites, hiding the truth of what their notions of purity, appropriate behaviour and purposeful ignorance had failed to prevent and had possibly enabled.

Edited May 30, 2015 by yuggapukka

[RandomX]

Maybe Sierra is stepping in.

THAT'S the spinoff I'd watch.

[autumnh]

I have to say?  and I am being super honest...

 

The thought of a spinoff with any of the girls is horrifying. You have to realize in your logical mind that JB and Michelle are the engine behind this. I have NO doubt that should this EVER come to fruition...it is on JB and Michelle's terms...and I would not doubt.one.bit. that TLC didn't know.

 

 

Ugh...UGH UGH UGH...just say no....even with  a spinoff  we would never truly be free of the "machine" behind this horrible crime. 

Edited May 30, 2015 by autumnh

[TheFinalRose]

I was in Oprah's audience once. They go through your purse; I remember they took a little blank notebook I had and of course cell phones (although this was before everyone had smart phones) during filming but there was no gag order on talking about what you saw. So I imagine if the Duggar episode was filmed those audience members would not be sworn to silence.  

 

[Mrsjumbo]

Some have wondered why the Duggar

GGirls are staying silent. I'm finally catching up on reading the local newspapers (I'm in NW AR) & the NWA Dem Gazette from last Fri says "the report is heavily redacted & doesnt include identifying information regarding the juveniles involved". Later it says "Jb & M told police they learned of a person improperly touching victims in their home in 2002 & 2003".

Of course we can read between the lines & figure out who most of these victims were, but i havent actually seen his sisters named in the papers or on TV news.

When have the Duggars ever admitted something if they didn't have to? In this case, that's a good thing that they haven't trotted the girls out with a "forgiveness speech". Let the girls have their privacy.

[HumblePi]

Some have wondered why the Duggar

GGirls are staying silent. I'm finally catching up on reading the local newspapers (I'm in NW AR) & the NWA Dem Gazette from last Fri says "the report is heavily redacted & doesnt include identifying information regarding the juveniles involved". Later it says "Jb & M told police they learned of a person improperly touching victims in their home in 2002 & 2003".

Of course we can read between the lines & figure out who most of these victims were, but i havent actually seen his sisters named in the papers or on TV news.

When have the Duggars ever admitted something if they didn't have to? In this case, that's a good thing that they haven't trotted the girls out with a "forgiveness speech". Let the girls have their privacy.

Wow Mrsjumbo, you have a whole lot of catching up to do. I suggest you either read these comments starting last Thursday or read more of the story online. The news broke on May 22nd. The girls were minors and their names have been withheld of course due to their ages.

[Sew Sumi]

mrsJumbo, start with the police report. It was so poorly redacted that one sentence gives away 80% of the victims' residences. Further reading gives away other clues as to some particular identites. I don't want to get in trouble, so I'll leave it there. 

[graefin]

The important part of that piece was when and from whom that house was purchased. It was to move Josh out of the situation after the DHS hearing.

Wait, so Josh lived there alone before he was married?

[Celia Rubenstein]

The important part of that piece was when and from whom that house was purchased. It was to move Josh out of the situation after the DHS hearing.

 

So, if I am understanding this correctly, Josh lost his bid to challenge restrictions that the DHS had in place against him and he had to move out of the family home.  

 

But .... if he had restrictions barring him from the family home, why was he living there?    That is where he was living, wasn't it?  

 

Why did he suddenly have to move out?  

 

Someone help me out here. 

[Micks Picks]

I'm pleased to see the Reagan article linked and positively commented upon.  I usually get the idea here that anything from a conservative, republican, particularly while male is automatically scorned.

 

Regarding why the therapist from the media wh  e Dr Drew did not visit with the older girls, it is perfectly appropriate that she speak to the little kids of similar ages, say 11 or 12 and under so that they knew what was appropriate and what to say and do.

[cmr2014]

I read the article and was impressed -- not only am I not a conservative, but I am no fan of Michael Reagan in general. I think that his use of the president was a good analogy. I truly believe that if Josh Duggar had come from a religious African-American family, or from a well-to-do liberal family, these same people would not be defending him.

 

The reality is that we want "bad people" to *look* like bad people -- we want them to be "other" in some recognizable way. When you look at the early specials and see an eager and engaging young man in khakis and a polo shirt, it's hard to think of him as "bad." It's easy to see evil in mug-shots that we see in the newspapers or on television, and much harder to see evil and a fresh-faced young kid. And if we like someone, and can relate to that person (he's a good Christian), it's much easier to make excused for behavior we wouldn't excuse in anyone else.

 

While I disagree with Josh Duggar on every imaginable political and social issue, I was starting to like him a bit as person. It's been hard for me to reconcile the young man that I liked a bit with the predator he is -- it must be significantly harder for people who do like him, and do think that his is "one of them."

[becca3891]

Wait, so Josh lived there alone before he was married?

 

So, if I am understanding this correctly, Josh lost his bid to challenge restrictions that the DHS had in place against him and he had to move out of the family home.  

What did I miss? I just read the last few pages and didn't see anything about a house being bought for Josh to live in after the DHS hearing. If so, this is a very interesting new development. Josh got married in 2008, and they certainly could have gotten away with quietly moving him out and not telling anyone. It only would have been for a year so, and as long as he was there for filming the show, no viewer would have known the difference. 

 

A fundy I once knew who wrote the book "Secret Thoughts of an Unlikely Convert" did have ONE good point: "Marriage doesn't cure sexual sin." Basically, the point is that getting married so that you have a "legitimate" outlet for your lusts doesn't actually solve the root of the problem. The Duggars, on the other hand, have made a big deal lately about their (Bill's, of course) view that engagements should be very short so the couple doesn't give into temptation. Then, a wife is required to have sex on command, so his problems are supposedly over. The massive problem of affairs/harassment/molestation in the fundy world would suggest otherwise. The problem is, as I think any psychologist would agree, that having marital sex is not a cure for the VERY grave issue of being tempted to molest young children. But in their world, I am almost sure that they hustled him into courtship and marriage because they were sure that sex was all he needed to keep under control. Well, for Mackynzie's sake, I sincerely hope his urges really have come to an end but I worry that statistics show that he quite possibly may still have them.

Edited May 30, 2015 by becca3891

[HeyNow]

So, if I am understanding this correctly, Josh lost his bid to challenge restrictions that the DHS had in place against him and he had to move out of the family home.  

 

But .... if he had restrictions barring him from the family home, why was he living there?    That is where he was living, wasn't it?  

 

Why did he suddenly have to move out?  

 

Someone help me out here. 

I'm not really clear of the timing of everything, but the law in Arkansas is that homeschooling wouldn't be allowed in the same home as a sex offender:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/leavingfundamentalism/2015/05/29/had-josh-duggar-been-prosecuted-duggars-would-have-lost-the-right-to-home-school/?ref_widget=trending&ref_blog=lovejoyfeminism&ref_post=what-you-need-to-know-about-the-josh-duggar-police-report

Edited May 30, 2015 by HeyNow

[silverspoons]

So if there was some issue with Josh living in the house after age 18, are there any episodes to back this up. 17 kids starts with Josh's courting & wedding so there was little footage at the TTH of daily activities we see all the time on 19 kids  like waking up late or bible time with daddy.. So thinking back to the specials, I only remember the girls room having specific beds. Did we ever see Josh in the dorm style bedrooms? I remember him being in his little studio room/closet but not in the bedrooms. If he didn't sleep in the dorm style room someone from TLC would have known.

[Morgalisa]

 

Regarding why the therapist from the media wh  e Dr Drew did not visit with the older girls, it is perfectly appropriate that she speak to the little kids of similar ages, say 11 or 12 and under so that they knew what was appropriate and what to say and do.

I agree.  But the Duggers did not tell her that they wanted her to speak to the younger kids only.  Nothing wrong with that.  For whatever reason, they  "lied" and said all the older girls were at camp. And evidently they didn't think the older boys needed the information.  It seems John David and Joe (the confirmed bachelors) have freedom to come and go freely since they work on their own, I guess..

[truthtalk2014]

I remember them having a PR person, but I think that person may be more for access to the radio and TV interviews, as well as the conduit to People. I remember it being a female. I am convinced that she has NO training in crisis management, because if the Duggars were taking her advice at the beginning of this, starting with Anna's statement, they have been steered totally wrong. That is, until they hunkered down and went dark. That is pretty much the only smart thing they've done in years. 

I think at this point, they have probably hired Sierra to be their PR person.  She can do anything you know.

 

ETA- Lottie Dottie, I just saw your post after posting this.  lol Great minds think alike.

Edited May 30, 2015 by truthtalk2014

[Bella]

Do we actually know about money laundering? I don't think so.

 

We have enough to talk about without speculating about things that could have happened.

 

Also, this is the Josh and Anna thread. Please discuss other topics in their appropriate threads.

 

I will hide a couple of posts now.

 

Thanks!

[syracusejean]

Long time lurker here... used to post TWOP.

Another thing to ponder about the timing of the house purchase and Josh moving out..

If he actually was no longer living in the TTH once the DPS got involved, I question whether him being with the family on trips could potentially be considered not following the ruling (since we don't know what was determined, it is speculation on my part.).

[Mrsjumbo]

Wow Mrsjumbo, you have a whole lot of catching up to do. I suggest you either read these comments starting last Thursday or read more of the story online. The news broke on May 22nd. The girls were minors and their names have been withheld of course due to their ages.

Yes of course I've been keeping up with the story here (vs in the papers or on TV, LOL!). I guess to clarify my comment- why would anyone expect the Duggar girls to come out with a statement of forgiveness since "technically" they were not named? We all KNOW it was them but they aren't going to come out & admit it. I think with the Duggars the policy is "keep quiet & everything will go away" like they did with Josh.

Long time lurker here... used to post TWOP.

Another thing to ponder about the timing of the house purchase and Josh moving out..

If he actually was no longer living in the TTH once the DPS got involved, I question whether him being with the family on trips could potentially be considered not following the ruling (since we don't know what was determined, it is speculation on my part.).

I thought about that too- how many underage girls was he in close proximity to on trips?

[Granny58]

I have to say?  and I am being super honest...

 

The thought of a spinoff with any of the girls is horrifying. You have to realize in your logical mind that JB and Michelle are the engine behind this. I have NO doubt that should this EVER come to fruition...it is on JB and Michelle's terms...and I would not doubt.one.bit. that TLC didn't know.

 

 

Ugh...UGH UGH UGH...just say no....even with  a spinoff  we would never truly be free of the "machine" behind this horrible crime. 

I think a spin off with poor wallflower Jana and kick ass Jinger living on their own, sans cult, would be worth watching....as long as all contracts, etc. were in their names only.  

[rulesoftravel]

I never want to see any of them or their homophobic asses on tv again.    I don't care about them  "birthin' more babies."   I don't care about their marriages-their religion-their recipes.   I just want them all gone.  It would be lovely if they got help, but since they think they don't need help-that's not likely to happen.    I'm tired of their scripted and unscripted lives.

[ChicksDigScars]

Regarding the FOX News/Megyn Kelly interview news:

 

Great. Another interview where Jim Bob approves the questions beforehand and coaches the kids on how to answer. Do you REALLY think that we'll get honest responses from the older girls? Fuck no. Jim Bob controls every word out of their mouths, just like he controls all the money that they were instrumental in helping him earn. TLC even admitted that the popularity and driving force of the show is the older daughters (which YOU KNOW just kills It's-All-About-MEE-chelle). But will they get to air their true feelings? Nope. We'll get Michelle's bug eyes and annoying kewpie doll voice and Jim Blob blathering on about God forgiving their special snowflake, Josh, while his daughters, the REAL victims, get to hold it all in and relive the violation and humiliation AGAIN. Great. This interview will be a whole lot of nothing.

 

The thought of those older girls having to sit there and listen to the excuses that Josh and their parents make up for the violations that they suffered, is disgusting.  FOX News is...well, it's FOX News. Megyn Kelly HAS gone after her interviewees at times, and she does have a law degree and can probably see through the bullshit, but Jim Bob NEVER would have consented to this if FOX didn't promise to maintain a tight leash on Kelly. She won't be able to freelance. And if she did, the girls would NEVER be permitted to say what they really feel.  

 

The LAST three people I want to hear from on this is Josh, Jim Bob and Michelle. And we all know that they'll be doing 80% of the talking.

 

 

 

I just took a look at fakejoshduggar.whatever. Wow. I now dislike this family and I am enjoying hearing others take on the situation, but a shit load of time and effort went into that site. That shows a great deal of focused rage. Who has time for such nonsense?

 

Same think that I always thought about the Gosselin hate sites, as well. Some people take snark to a whole new level. Not saying that Josh doesn't deserve vitriol (even more than Kate ever did), but wow. Anna and her kids DO NOT deserve it.

 

I actually left a Gosselin snarking site (created after TWOP shut down the J&K+8 thread permanently) when the snark turned really personal and creepy. So, I guess this doesn't surprise me, 

Edited May 30, 2015 by ChicksDigScars

[TomServo]

I don't claim to be any kind of expert on what these folks think. As far as I know, though, they consider lust and masturbation to be sins equal in the eyes of the lord to fornication, which makes me doubt that they consider groping genitals to be less serious than intercourse.

 

No, from a sin standpoint, they do not.  However, the position statement was published as an answer to a question specifically about abortion in the context of "punish the person who committed the rape that created the child instead of punishing the child."  So the immediate context was definitely talking about intercourse.

I'll be saving that Josh interview for anyone who claims the Duggars never lied about what happened.  It's one thing to include something horrible you did as part of your "testimony," and I have many friends who do that (and do it well, by the way).  It's quite another to airbrush it and misrepresent the circumstances.  "I had the opportunity to go and work at a center for about three months in a Christian ministry" is a far cry from "I was really caught up in my sins and my parents enrolled me in a Christian treatment center to help me overcome it."  No matter which one of those is the real truth (whether he was working on the crew remodeling the IBLP building or whether he was a client of the program), there are records of some Duggar family member having said the opposite.

[PrincessSteel]

If this whole mess were a horror movie script, Eli Roth would pass: Too creepy.

[HumblePi]

I agree.  But the Duggers did not tell her that they wanted her to speak to the younger kids only.  Nothing wrong with that.  For whatever reason, they  "lied" and said all the older girls were at camp. And evidently they didn't think the older boys needed the information.  It seems John David and Joe (the confirmed bachelors) have freedom to come and go freely since they work on their own, I guess..

Last year in 2014, Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar approached Erin Merryn after a scheduled appearance in Arkansas at a child abuse conference that they happened to be attending. "Erin’s Law'" requires that all public schools in each state that passes the law implement a prevention-oriented child sexual abuse program. "Erin's Law" had already gone into effect in Arkansas in 2013. After the event the Duggar's came to her and said "Erin, I know it's late but is there any way you can come into our home and talk to our children about Erin's Law?"  Erin was more than happy to go with them to their home, even at the late hour.

 

Erin was happy because her law only goes into public schools and the one place she can't get her message to is in home-school and she felt it was a perfect opportunity to go into their home and then maybe they could help her get her message into the home-schooling community. Erin was on CNN, here's the video

 

[RandomX]

I'll be surprised if any of the older daughters appear for the interview.

[Oldernowiser]

I'll be surprised if any of the older daughters appear for the interview.

I'll be surprised if any of the daughters is even mentioned. It'll be family this and family that, but zero acknowledgement that most of his victims were his sisters. If they can deflect this back out to what everyone thought at first, that he'd had some second-base experiences with other teens, they will.

It's the incest part that is most toxic and even they are smart enough to recognize that.

[Churchhoney]

I'll be surprised if any of the daughters is even mentioned. It'll be family this and family that, but zero acknowledgement that most of his victims were his sisters. If they can deflect this back out to what everyone thought at first, that he'd had some second-base experiences with other teens, they will.

It's the incest part that is most toxic and even they are smart enough to recognize that.

 

Yes. And I expect they know that about the other most troubling issue. Don't think we'll hear much mention of the "one of them was five" (while the molester was 14) part either.

[kathe5133]

For me, it is not that it happened. Shocking but... It is not that they handled it badly. Who is prepared to handle something like this? They were sheltered, sought guidance from "church" leaders, got poor guidance, but we're probably told this is how it is handled. It is their ignorance, and the way they celebrate that ignorance. They take their ignorant opinions, and along with fellow ignoramuses, campaign to deny rights to a group of people that they know nothing about. The bible says not one word about homosexuality even existing let alone being forbidden. They pull a "message" out of some obscure reference and set about launching a campaign of hate and misinformation. But it does say in the bible "let he who is without sin....." Did they not read that part? How can Josh stand up in front of people preaching hate knowing what he did? And how can those who support them justify that support? All this damage control and spin. They messed up big time. They have been outed as the hypocrites they are and anyone who tries to justify it, be it sponsors of their show, those who watch, go to hear them speak, or buy their books is no better than them.

[AmandaPanda]

Regarding the FOX News/Megyn Kelly interview news:

 

Great. Another interview where Jim Bob approves the questions beforehand and coaches the kids on how to answer. Do you REALLY think that we'll get honest responses from the older girls? Fuck no. Jim Bob controls every word out of their mouths, just like he controls all the money that they were instrumental in helping him earn. TLC even admitted that the popularity and driving force of the show is the older daughters (which YOU KNOW just kills It's-All-About-MEE-chelle). But will they get to air their true feelings? Nope. We'll get Michelle's bug eyes and annoying kewpie doll voice and Jim Blob blathering on about God forgiving their special snowflake, Josh, while his daughters, the REAL victims, get to hold it all in and relive the violation and humiliation AGAIN. Great. This interview will be a whole lot of nothing.

 

The thought of those older girls having to sit there and listen to the excuses that Josh and their parents make up for the violations that they suffered, is disgusting.  FOX News is...well, it's FOX News. Megyn Kelly HAS gone after her interviewees at times, and she does have a law degree and can probably see through the bullshit, but Jim Bob NEVER would have consented to this if FOX didn't promise to maintain a tight leash on Kelly. She won't be able to freelance. And if she did, the girls would NEVER be permitted to say what they really feel.  

 

The LAST three people I want to hear from on this is Josh, Jim Bob and Michelle. And we all know that they'll be doing 80% of the talking.

 

None of the children will be interviewed. According to Deadline, the interview will just be with JB and Michelle. However, there will also be a one-hour Kelly File special on Friday night devoted to the Duggars. I imagine the kids might be featured in that.

[backformore]

Larry Wilmore's take is pretty brilliant:

http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2015/05/larry-wilmore-slams-duggars-thank-god

[Jellybeans]

Megyn Kelly isn't known for holding back. I have seen some very blistering (fights) interviews on her shows.

When is the interview?

Edited May 30, 2015 by Jellybeans

[rulesoftravel]

 

Megyn Kelly isn't know for holding back. I have seen some very blistering (fights) interviews on her shows.

Not with people who are the darlings of the Religious Right.    She holds back plenty, because she's pretty much a stooge. 

[Jellybeans]

Not with people who are the darlings of the Religious Right. She holds back plenty, because she's pretty much a stooge.

I haven't seen that. I know she is a conservative but there is nothing wrong with that. Everyone can't be a liberal.

I watch her 1-2 times a week and at times am startled at how she really goes after her guests. Found out it will be on Wednesday and Friday.

I hope to never be on her bad side, that's for sure lol.

Edited May 30, 2015 by Jellybeans

[tinderbox]

I'll be surprised if any of the daughters is even mentioned. It'll be family this and family that, but zero acknowledgement that most of his victims were his sisters. If they can deflect this back out to what everyone thought at first, that he'd had some second-base experiences with other teens, they will.

It's the incest part that is most toxic and even they are smart enough to recognize that.

Yes. The incest makes the situation most repulsive. Main stream media leaves that dirty detail out of their reporting.

 

 

Yes. And I expect they know that about the other most troubling issue. Don't think we'll hear much mention of the "one of them was five" (while the molester was 14) part either.

Josh, including the five year old in his sick act bothers me the most. Although, my heart goes out to all the girls, too.

 

 

None of the children will be interviewed. According to Deadline, the interview will just be with JB and Michelle. However, there will also be a one-hour Kelly File special on Friday night devoted to the Duggars. I imagine the kids might be featured in that.

I don't believe any of the girls/children will be heard from for quite a while.

Edited May 30, 2015 by tinderbox

[farmgal4]

While I was trying to sleep last night, I started thinking about what I would do if my family was embroiled in this scandal. I can tell you without a doubt that my family would tuck our tail and run for the hills, never to be seen or heard from again. I think the fact that the Duggars want to continue to stay in the public eye via the show, or in any capacity really, speaks volumes about just how messed up that family really is.

[JAYJAY1979]

I'm wondering if the family is aware of how they are coming across?

Plus, I'm curious why the parents are being interviewed..but not the abuser..or is he? Probably smart that he isn't being interviewed but I can't see how it can help having his parents being interviewed?

Edited May 31, 2015 by JAYJAY1979